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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Debian => Topic started by: Chero on September 18, 2007, 01:09:37 pm
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Hi,
I had no hits when searching for "titchy" here, so I thought I'd mention it exists.
Titchy homepage (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux)
It is a debian arm system that comes with very nice instructions and an installer.
(it's not armel, no need to compile you're own kernel, no ... - it justs works)
Those looking for native debian on the Z, this seems to be it.
Have fun,
Chero.
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Anybody know a good way to dual-boot this? Would installing it, then installing uBoot, then installing r198 work (if you held down whatever key on a reboot)?
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Nice! Thanks for bringing this up!!
The instructions on the Titchy page look rather brief. So here are two quick questions:
1) What kind of packages does this debian take? EABI or the ordinary ARM?
2) Any toolchain for compiling stuff?
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Wow...That didn't take long...I already broke down and am installing it on my Z ASAP!
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Looking forwarding to your hands-on report!
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Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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They talk about this in the "comments" section of the site.
I didn't have this problem, but I used the netinst cd image. I thought this could help me with dhcp, but that was a no go. Once I entered the config manually, everything went smoothly.
It is not eabi, and it uses etch as default. I saw dj0 is running lenny, but I don't know how he did it.
You don't really need more explanation, the installer guides you ...
Abiword - firefox - evolution - gnumeric - gpe-contacts - gpe-todo - dillo - nano - leafpad - xfce - gdm - ... : everything works.
Chero.
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It gave an input/output error...Switching VTs and remounting the SD card seems to make it work. Going (slowly) on.
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So it uses the official ARM packages, is that right?
Then there should be a GCC toolchain?
Do networking, screen rotation and over/under-clocking work?
I suppose the silkscreen keys don't work, do they?
So many questions pop up now because it's very exciting news...
Sorry one more: how can the system upgrade?
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The installer screen is rotated, which is irritating. It appears it is normal normally, though.
Yes, it uses the normal Debian-ARM packages, and AFAIK there is a toolchain. If there isn't, I'll be switching back mighty quick.
Networking (both USB and CF Wi-Fi) supposedly work, I haven't tested yet (still installing)
As for the SD reading issues I was having, it's probably due to my not properly unmounting my card from my laptop after the driver went haywire.
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Great! I am also going to try this out once my 3200 finishes compiling Evolution for OpenBSD 4.2 (main package done, just a few dependent packges left...).
If there is a native toolchain, then now Z has both Debian and OpenBSD as the *standard* distros. Isn't it cool?
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I agree, it is awesome. I'm looking forward to having the same OS on my Zaurus as I do on my other computers.
On a different note, I REALLY wish I hadn't accidentally started the install from a mirror instead of the CD. It's taking forever!
EDIT: Chero, is the X server the full Xorg, or is it kdrive/some other stripped down X server?
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Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?
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Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?
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i don't think so. the kernel supplied with titchy is precompiled and probably set to boot of the internal hd. but there are other ways to put debian on a C1000. i tried to put debian rootfs on nand. but it's is just too big for it. the base system fits but not much else. then i tried putting it on an sd card and i succeeded. but still, i had a feeling that it was just too big especially when you start installing things with apt-get. for instance, xfce4 is almost 100MB when installed with apt-get. and don't forget that our sd drivers work in mmc compatibility mode which makes them quite slow, maybe too slow for putting rootfs on an sd card... here are the links if you still wanna try:
[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24589&hl=debian]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...24589&hl=debian[/url]
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...23773&hl=debian (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23773&hl=debian)
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Nice! Thanks for bringing this up!!
The instructions on the Titchy page look rather brief. So here are two quick questions:
1) What kind of packages does this debian take? EABI or the ordinary ARM?
Ordinary arm. But the guy who set this up seems to be thinking about armel for the future.
2) Any toolchain for compiling stuff?
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gcc? You mean something like bitbake (which I never could get to install), no. All this is is the kernel, x server, enough utilities to get going, and then you go find your nearest debian mirror. Simple as that, and it all works.
I don't know whether titchy deserves the credit for this, but wifi works so much better on this than with anything else I have used on my zaurus, it's amazing. It just works. Put it to sleep, wake it up, and it sniffs out the network again and sets it up. With Angstrom, I had to re-run ifup wlan0 each time it woke up. But it could be worse, with OZ I had to re-boot. Same card, same machine.
This is the only distribution for the Z3100 that will let me do what I want, and use this as a --- computer.
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Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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Check out the wiki page. It tells you to then enter in the mirror, I believe. When I did this (I got the same error message) it hooked me up with a debian mirror and I had no end of choices. I chose too many packages, so had to back off later, but...
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So it uses the official ARM packages, is that right?
Then there should be a GCC toolchain?
Do networking, screen rotation and over/under-clocking work?
I suppose the silkscreen keys don't work, do they?
So many questions pop up now because it's very exciting news...
Sorry one more: how can the system upgrade?
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Yes, arm
It has gcc -- it has debian, which has gcc if'n you want it.
Networking works like a charm. I had trouble after installation, since I had two competing sets of modules, one which would not work with my network card. Once I figured out which one to blacklist, I was in business. Wired ethernet works, too. I have not tried usb networking, so can't say about that.
Screen rotation does not work. Neither does over/under clocking, but someone is talking about a new kernel that supports it.
Silkscreen keys don't work, but keylaunch will work for the special buttons on the bottom, and that also allows you to use xloadmap to change "mouse buttons" for touchscreen taps.
I upgraded the system from debian etch to debian lenny by changing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list (just as you would for any debian), and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. The only thing that broke was the link to the X server (one of my installation steps loaded the xorg server, which is not configured right and you don't want anyway, and the upgrade re-links X to that; a simple linke back to the kdrive server fixes that.
BTW, it is a bit slow to upgrade all that.
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I agree, it is awesome. I'm looking forward to having the same OS on my Zaurus as I do on my other computers.
On a different note, I REALLY wish I hadn't accidentally started the install from a mirror instead of the CD. It's taking forever!
EDIT: Chero, is the X server the full Xorg, or is it kdrive/some other stripped down X server?
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I even changed the wm on my desktop machines (they used Gnome before, a bit much on a Zaurus) to xfce4 -- so they are all the same.
PIM: You get xfce4's minimalist calendar orage, which is OK, as well as gpe-contacts. You could get a sid version of gpe-calendar, but with them changing, incompatibly, calendar formats with each new version, I don't recommend it.
I currently have working on my Z3100, with titchy/debian:
tex
lyx
gcc
nedit
iceweasel
icedove (these two ignore the Fn key)
wxmaxima
gnumeric, abiword, etc.
With a powered usb hub, I can use a mouse (but I have to hold it sideways...), usb storage, and printer (cups worked no problem).
It really gives you whatever you can find in debian. I have not yet found a package that did not work.
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Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?
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"Neil" -- whoever he is, he's the guy behind this -- says he can't, but it might be possible with some work. Of course, since installation requires a network connection, and you need the cf slot for that, and you need the sd slot to flash and start the initial install, it may not be possible since you don't have a free card slot. The kernel won't support the usb without modules, but maybe the 1000 has enough internal storage to hold the base system?
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Hi,
I had no hits when searching for "titchy" here, so I thought I'd mention it exists.
Titchy homepage (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux)
It is a debian arm system that comes with very nice instructions and an installer.
(it's not armel, no need to compile you're own kernel, no ... - it justs works)
Those looking for native debian on the Z, this seems to be it.
Have fun,
Chero.
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I've been using this for a week now, and love it. It is real debian, and I have yet to have a problem besides speed issues. These machines are not all that fast, after all, and some things take a long time to load. Printing with lyx took a long time the first time since metafont and all that was running in the background.
But I am spending the Spring on sabbatical in Spain, and now I can take my Z as my only computer, and still manage to work. It has everything that debian has, since that is what it is.
I'm glad to see someone else notice this.
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Wow.
A few questions, if you don't mind?
How is multimedia?
Bluetooth? Bluetooth gprs?
plugins for iceweasel?
This is very interesting
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
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I'm having trouble too-- my internal cf replacement seems to format, but is causing a kernel panic.
did you check your files? sounds you have a corrupt download to me
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I have tried tons of times and cannot get thru the "Failed to determine the codename for release" message.... even tried the workaround on the suggested 'choose-mirror' installer module add-on....
i have no wifi / LAN card installed right now and is there any work around to mount the debootstrap on the dists/etch/.../Release on the faked cdrom? since after browsing several debian help in the web, I think the problem is dealing with that.
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I have tried tons of times and cannot get thru the "Failed to determine the codename for release" message.... even tried the workaround on the suggested 'choose-mirror' installer module add-on....
i have no wifi / LAN card installed right now and is there any work around to mount the debootstrap on the dists/etch/.../Release on the faked cdrom? since after browsing several debian help in the web, I think the problem is dealing with that.
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You need a network connection to install it. I had the error when my LAN wasn't configured properly.
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Wow.
A few questions, if you don't mind?
How is multimedia?
Bluetooth? Bluetooth gprs?
plugins for iceweasel?
This is very interesting
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Bluez, gnome-bluetooth, gnokii, wammu, ... They are all in the feeds, but I haven't tested them yet.
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
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I have no trouble with the SD, I can mount it just fine.
Udev : not tested yet.
resume-suspend : seems to work fine (the debian eabi I tried couldn't always resume -> blank screen)
Having more than just a root user : works
It can help to check the "comments" section of the homepage, some issues have been solved already.
I have to start working now, will try to do some more testing this evening.
Chero.
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
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My installation report:
Hmm. udev is installed without problem in my case. Base system installs smoothly. Wireless networking (w/ 128-bit WEP) works like a charm.
I tried two of my SD cards. The first one seems to be corrupted and the CD image was not extracted completely. Then I switched to another SD and everything was fine.
Now installing the Standard system set ...
(to be continued ...)
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Hmm...I will try again later. It's probably my LAN.
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Debian got installed on my 3200!
Now another quick question: can someone tell me what are included in the titchy "meta-package"? How is it different from titchy-desktop
From the "Comments" section in the wiki, neil says it depends on GAIM, Sylpheed, etc., and uninstalling these programs will also uninstall titchy.
Perhaps I can try to install titchy-desktop and see what i need. (Well, this is a great chance to play with genuine apt-get on my Z ... at last! )
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Debian got installed on my 3200!
Now another quick question: can someone tell me what are included in the titchy "meta-package"? How is it different from titchy-desktop
From the "Comments" section in the wiki, neil says it depends on GAIM, Sylpheed, etc., and uninstalling these programs will also uninstall titchy.
Perhaps I can try to install titchy-desktop and see what i need. (Well, this is a great chance to play with genuine apt-get on my Z ... at last! )
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Congrats,
Tip : If you want the latest and the greatest, first do an apt-get dist-upgrade. (the more packages that are installed, the longer this will take).
I'm planning on doing this since some packages in etch are quite outdated.
Chero.
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I upgraded the system from debian etch to debian lenny by changing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list (just as you would for any debian), and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. The only thing that broke was the link to the X server (one of my installation steps loaded the xorg server, which is not configured right and you don't want anyway, and the upgrade re-links X to that; a simple linke back to the kdrive server fixes that.
BTW, it is a bit slow to upgrade all that.
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Can you (or anyone here) elaborate on the last part? How can we fix the X server precisely?
I need to know this before apt-get dist-upgrade ...
Thanks!
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Okay, a screenshot of Iceweasel (= Firefox 2.0.0.6)!
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quick question...
I think maybe the device that wasn't being read on my unsuccesful tries was the debian.iso Mine was 27 megs. What size is the one you used to get ths working?
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It's the business card arm image, 22.7MB.
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Congrats,
Tip : If you want the latest and the greatest, first do an apt-get dist-upgrade. (the more packages that are installed, the longer this will take).
I'm planning on doing this since some packages in etch are quite outdated.
Chero.
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Hey, I beat you here! (already updated/upgraded to Lenny)
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will try now so I can post error.
I do the install:
"formatting Microdrive..."
"Extracting Debian installer..."
It reboots, then
VHF Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
PLease append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
Anyone have any idea how to fix this? My worst-cse scenario is r=to pull the CF and pop in a 6gb microdrive (I already have one), but it seeems like this shouldn't be be necessary. Is this a problem with the formatting script in the loader?
atm I'm checking the hd in the D_M menu to see if anything is terribly unusual
edit: incidentally, how is the speed compared with pdax?
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I am also using a swapped-in 16gb CF, but I didn't encountered the kernel panic problem.
How about doing a fdisk first in the emergency mode, and then try to install debian again?
And using another card with another CD image download?
Speedwise, Debian is quite satisfactory. I remember Firefox under pdaX (Beta 3) starts in about 2 minutes, at least not faster than running iceweasel under Debian.
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I am also using a swapped-in 16gb CF, but I didn't encountered the kernel panic problem.
How about doing a fdisk first in the emergency mode, and then try to install debian again?
And using another card with another CD image download?
Speedwise, Debian is quite satisfactory. I remember Firefox under pdaX (Beta 3) starts in about 2 minutes, at least not faster than running iceweasel under Debian.
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I agree about using a differnt sd and download-- You mean "hd clear" in the D+M emergency menus? will do.
won't be able to try another card for a few hours, though-- If I even have a more suitable one laying about. the one I'm using is a Lexar 1gig SD--it seems ok, but that is often illusory.
thanks
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Not D+M, but D+B emergency mode.
Good luck!
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I upgraded the system from debian etch to debian lenny by changing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list (just as you would for any debian), and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. The only thing that broke was the link to the X server (one of my installation steps loaded the xorg server, which is not configured right and you don't want anyway, and the upgrade re-links X to that; a simple linke back to the kdrive server fixes that.
BTW, it is a bit slow to upgrade all that.
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Hmm. Right after apt-get dist-upgrade the system boot into X (xfce4), and then I logged out to try to fiddle with something else. Well, xdm was automatically loaded. So I had to kill it and remove it from running automatically:
# /etc/init.d/xdm stop
# update-rc.d -f xdm remove
And I checked /etc/X11/X. X is already linked to /opt/kdrive/X, and not xorg as dlj0 described in an earlier post. But X still fails to load. startx stops without loading any desktop loaded.
Any hint?
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I upgraded the system from debian etch to debian lenny by changing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list (just as you would for any debian), and ran apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. The only thing that broke was the link to the X server (one of my installation steps loaded the xorg server, which is not configured right and you don't want anyway, and the upgrade re-links X to that; a simple linke back to the kdrive server fixes that.
BTW, it is a bit slow to upgrade all that.
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Hmm. Right after apt-get dist-upgrade the system boot into X (xfce4), and then I logged out to try to fiddle with something else. Well, xdm was automatically loaded. So I had to kill it and remove it from running automatically:
# /etc/init.d/xdm stop
# update-rc.d -f xdm remove
And I checked /etc/X11/X. X is already linked to /opt/kdrive/X, and not xorg as dlj0 described in an earlier post. But X still fails to load. startx stops without loading any desktop loaded.
Any hint?
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tip 1 : try startxfce4 instead of startx
tip 2 : try launching xdm instead of startx
tip 3 : install gdm (looks nice as well)
BTW : running dist-upgrade now - will see where it leads me.
You see how fast this thread is growing, that's why I wanted a new forum ....
Let's hope there'll be an official release of eabi real soon. Neil said (in the comments) he'll try to adapt his system to it when it's released ...
Chero.
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Thanks, Chero.
I guess i found one cause of the problem I'm running into: It seems the upgrade (including some X stuff) had not finished yet even though xfce4 loaded again (by itself). I noticed the hdd light kept flashing when I started playing with the new environment.
Then when I tried apt-get install gdm, a message popped up asking me to do
dpkg --configure -a
... and doing so a whole bunch of processes resumed ...
So i gotta use some patience during upgrading and shouldn't be over-excited.
I'll see if I can do without xdm or gdm, as I find the system sometimes inconvenient to be forced to boot into X all the time.
Now I am thrilled to taste how Debian rocks as an *authentic* distro on Z. EABI will surely make things even better!
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[UPDATE]
My suspicion is confirmed. After waiting for the whole upgrading process to finish (which took quite a while), simply startx brings me back to xfce4, without startxfce4, xdm or gdm... No tweak is necessary. Nice.
It seems dlj0 has already fixed the X issue found in upgrading to Lenny earlier on.
Now another question pops up:
How to do mouse right-click as in pdaX? Fn+click doesn't work as assumed. Is there anywhere I can set in xfce4?
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You see how fast this thread is growing, that's why I wanted a new forum ....
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Absolutely!
At the same time I also hope OpenBSD has got SD write and bluetooth working really soon, so that users can enjoy the very best of both Linux and BSD.
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I can't believe my eyes ...
I start iceweasel again ...
Now it only takes 30 seconds to load ...
Unbelievable!
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I can't believe my eyes ...
I start iceweasel again ...
Now it only takes 30 seconds to load ...
Unbelievable!
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nice... i should get started. my C1000 needs a rom upgrade...
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I suppose the internal CF (mine Sandisk Extreme III) also does the trick here.
Will try hdparm test later (thanks adf for the tip) and post the result in another place.
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Sounds great! I'll be testing soon if the install works. I formatted/wiped everything (including the MD), so there shouldn't be anything wrong.
How's IceWeasel work? Faster than in pdaX? How about Galeon (lightweight gecko-based browser)?
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Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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They talk about this in the "comments" section of the site.
I didn't have this problem, but I used the netinst cd image. I thought this could help me with dhcp, but that was a no go. Once I entered the config manually, everything went smoothly.
It is not eabi, and it uses etch as default. I saw dj0 is running lenny, but I don't know how he did it.
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I installed etch, then edited my sources.list file to say "testing" instead of "stable" or "etch (keep the security update site as stable), and then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. It took several hours, since I had a lot loaded.
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Thanks, Chero.
Now another question pops up:
How to do mouse right-click as in pdaX? Fn+click doesn't work as assumed. Is there anywhere I can set in xfce4?
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Install keylaunch, then add to your ~/.keylaunchrc file:
key=.*.1:xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 "
key=.*.2:xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 3 41"
key=.*.3:xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 4 1"
To get a button-2 click with the touchscreen, hit Ctrl-2. Then, all mouse clicks will be center button. To return to button 1, hit Ctrl-1.
By default, either the Fn key or the Alt key should give you button three when you click --- but I find that it is not consistent.
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I installed etch, then edited my sources.list file to say "testing" instead of "stable" or "etch (keep the security update site as stable), and then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. It took several hours, since I had a lot loaded.
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I did the upgrade by simply changing "etch" to "lenny", and adding "contrib" and "non-free", so the lines becomes:
deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-freeHow does "lenny" different from "testing", or are they just they same?
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Debian newbies & friends, check out these valuable resources:
http://qref.sourceforge.net/ (http://qref.sourceforge.net/)
http://www.debian.org/doc/ (http://www.debian.org/doc/)
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Can you (or anyone here) elaborate on the last part? How can we fix the X server precisely?
I need to know this before apt-get dist-upgrade ...
Thanks!
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I'm not sure it will happen to everyone or not. When I installed at first, I told it to do a "desktop" install -- it was aiming at a full debian archive, and gave me a full desktop, with gnome, xorg, and more than I could hold. If you just do your initial install from the business card installation, then do the titchy thing, you may only get the kdrive server.
But, if you do have this problem, then all that happens is that your X symlink will be pointing to the wrong place. AFAIR all you do is check where the /etc/X11/X symlink points. It should point to /opt/kdrive/X, which is just a script setting the library path and starting the Xfbdev server. That came from the titchy site.
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Wow.
A few questions, if you don't mind?
How is multimedia?
Bluetooth? Bluetooth gprs?
plugins for iceweasel?
This is very interesting
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I haven't fiddled with bluetooth, nor with media. I haven't tried plugging anything in to iceweasel -- certainly flash won't work, since that is x86 only (I have the same problem on my 64-bit office machine).
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Two fancy trivias:
Try this Debian quiz. It's fun. http://www.df7cb.de/debian/quiz/ (http://www.df7cb.de/debian/quiz/)
(For example, what is the correct pronunciation of "Debian"?)
"The code names of Debian releases are names of characters from the movie Toy Story." (from Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian) )
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Debian got installed on my 3200!
Now another quick question: can someone tell me what are included in the titchy "meta-package"? How is it different from titchy-desktop
From the "Comments" section in the wiki, neil says it depends on GAIM, Sylpheed, etc., and uninstalling these programs will also uninstall titchy.
Perhaps I can try to install titchy-desktop and see what i need. (Well, this is a great chance to play with genuine apt-get on my Z ... at last! )
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I asked him about that, since removing Sylpheed warned that it would remove titchy. But titchy and titchy-network (or whatever it was) are just meta-packages he set up to get what he thought was a resonable base -- and that included Sylpheed and gaim.
I removed them, and my titchy desktop and all that is still there. don't worry about those.
My biggest problem was removing all the gnome stuff, once it installed. That is a hugh cluster-f of files, and there is no nice way to remove it. It's done now, though, except what I need to run gnumeric.
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will try now so I can post error.
I do the install:
"formatting Microdrive..."
"Extracting Debian installer..."
It reboots, then
VHF Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
PLease append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
Anyone have any idea how to fix this? My worst-cse scenario is r=to pull the CF and pop in a 6gb microdrive (I already have one), but it seeems like this shouldn't be be necessary. Is this a problem with the formatting script in the loader?
atm I'm checking the hd in the D_M menu to see if anything is terribly unusual
edit: incidentally, how is the speed compared with pdax?
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I did not see this error, and can't figure what it would be. Sounds like a problem with your microdrive. Titchy by default formats the whole thing as one big partition. Not my idea of the right thing to do. I had to fight it to let me re-formal so I had separte /home and /var partitions, along with swap space.
After this failure, can you boot in using the rescue boot (our own three-fingered salute) and see what the drive looks like? It should be one large ext2 (or 3) partition. If it is not formatted properly, maybe you could format from the rescue boot and comment out that part of the script. Be sure to give plenty of room for the distribution. Ihave 1.5G for it, plus /usr/share/doc and /var are re-located to other partitions.
It is certainly as "fast" as pdaXrom, and has the advantage of working....
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Hey, pdaXrom works! Perhaps it is not as polished, but it does work!
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will try now so I can post error.
I do the install:
"formatting Microdrive..."
"Extracting Debian installer..."
It reboots, then
VHF Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
PLease append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
Anyone have any idea how to fix this? My worst-cse scenario is r=to pull the CF and pop in a 6gb microdrive (I already have one), but it seeems like this shouldn't be be necessary. Is this a problem with the formatting script in the loader?
atm I'm checking the hd in the D_M menu to see if anything is terribly unusual
edit: incidentally, how is the speed compared with pdax?
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I did not see this error, and can't figure what it would be. Sounds like a problem with your microdrive. Titchy by default formats the whole thing as one big partition. Not my idea of the right thing to do. I had to fight it to let me re-formal so I had separte /home and /var partitions, along with swap space.
After this failure, can you boot in using the rescue boot (our own three-fingered salute) and see what the drive looks like? It should be one large ext2 (or 3) partition. If it is not formatted properly, maybe you could format from the rescue boot and comment out that part of the script. Be sure to give plenty of room for the distribution. Ihave 1.5G for it, plus /usr/share/doc and /var are re-located to other partitions.
It is certainly as "fast" as pdaXrom, and has the advantage of working....
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that is my suspicion-- that the auto formatting in the script isn't handling my drive.I have replaced the original MD with a 16GB CF, which has worked just fine for pdax.
The problem is that I reformatted the "drive" using the emergency system and then got the same result, and have no idea how to make the debian installer NOT format my drive.
the drive is getting formatted as 1 big partition--and that might be the problem.possib
Are there any partition requirements,like boot flags or anything of the kind?
incidentally, I can't find anything other than "clear the hd in the diag menus
What I'd like to do, but lack the knowledge, is format the drive manually, and see if it goes. how can that be done without reflashing several times?.
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That is my suspicion-- that the auto formatting in the script isn't handling my drive.I have replaced the original MD with a 16GB CF, which has worked just fine for pdax.
The problem is that I reformatted the "drive" using the emergency system and then got the same result, and have no idea how to make the debian installer NOT format my drive.
the drive is getting formatted as 1 big partition--I don't know if it is really being formatted, though--I just know the partition gets changed. Could it be a failure to format?
could it be that the image I'm extracting is flawed? ( I downloaded twice)
Are there any partition requirements,like boot flags or anything of the kind?
incidentally, I can't find anything other than "clear the hd in the diag menus
What I'd like to do, but lack the knowledge, is format the drive manually, and see if it goes. how can that be done without reflashing several times?.
I'll flash a basic pdax on, and check the drive and see about editing the script--then I'll try again
Ok--checked the hd--1 big ext3 . how do i edit the update.sh to comment out the format command? once that is accomplished I think this can be made to work
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I've just posted a simple benchmarking report (Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb vs. Hitachi microdrive 6gb) using apdarm here:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...93&#entry167593 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23959&st=45&p=167593&#entry167593)
And here are more rough speed test results under Lenny (1st launch, subsequent launch):
xfce4 ...... 26 sec, 26 sec
abiword ...... 33 sec, 15 sec
gnumeric ...... 20 sec, 14 sec
gimp ...... ?? (1st time is configuration), 54 sec
sylpheed ...... 13 sec, 12 sec
iceweasel ...... 90 sec, 30 sec
@adf: Have you tried another SD card? I also ran into problem with extracting the CD image to one of my SD cards (which has been abused severely).
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I've just posted a simple benchmarking report (Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb vs. Hitachi microdrive 6gb) using apdarm here:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...93&#entry167593 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23959&st=45&p=167593&#entry167593)
And here are more rough speed test results under Lenny (1st launch, subsequent launch):
xfce4 ...... 26 sec, 26 sec
abiword ...... 33 sec, 15 sec
gnumeric ...... 20 sec, 14 sec
gimp ...... ?? (1st time is configuration), 54 sec
sylpheed ...... 13 sec, 12 sec
iceweasel ...... 90 sec, 30 sec
@adf: Have you tried another SD card? I also ran into problem with extracting the CD image to one of my SD cards (which has been abused severely).
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I haven't yet.
Hopefully I can get info on how to avoid the auto formatting before I try again. My problem, though seems to be that the boot loader doesn't recognize my 16G cf.
I suspect that this is either a problem with the card--which seems unlikley as it has been working perfectly,or a problem with the formatting, or possibly a problem with the debian hw support extraction from my sd to my hd.
what I hope to try:
prevent auto format in updater (don't know how)
repartition and format my sd, try another sd and a fresh dl (can't do til later this evening)
replace the 16G CF with a 6G MD (would rather not)
What else might help?
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When the setup asks for what set of packages to install (laptop, standard, server, multimedia, etc.), which, if any, are necessary/recommended to select?
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When the setup asks for what set of packages to install (laptop, standard, server, multimedia, etc.), which, if any, are necessary/recommended to select?
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Just choose "standard".
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OK, thanks.
EDIT: Hmm...It seems to be frozen trying to download the packages. Is there a way to restart just that step without doing the whole install again?
EDIT2: Never mind...Just wait for it to time out
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I've just posted a simple benchmarking report (Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb vs. Hitachi microdrive 6gb) using apdarm here:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...93&#entry167593 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23959&st=45&p=167593&#entry167593)
And here are more rough speed test results under Lenny (1st launch, subsequent launch):
xfce4 ...... 26 sec, 26 sec
abiword ...... 33 sec, 15 sec
gnumeric ...... 20 sec, 14 sec
gimp ...... ?? (1st time is configuration), 54 sec
sylpheed ...... 13 sec, 12 sec
iceweasel ...... 90 sec, 30 sec
@adf: Have you tried another SD card? I also ran into problem with extracting the CD image to one of my SD cards (which has been abused severely).
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I haven't yet.
Hopefully I can get info on how to avoid the auto formatting before I try again. My problem, though seems to be that the boot loader doesn't recognize my 16G cf.
I suspect that this is either a problem with the card--which seems unlikley as it has been working perfectly,or a problem with the formatting, or possibly a problem with the debian hw support extraction from my sd to my hd.
what I hope to try:
prevent auto format in updater (don't know how)
repartition and format my sd, try another sd and a fresh dl (can't do til later this evening)
replace the 16G CF with a 6G MD (would rather not)
What else might help?
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the problem is that the manid of your cards needs to be compiled into the kernel in order for it to boot off it and since your card is not standard to the Zaurus it most likely did not get included during compilation of the kernel. you just need to recompile the kernel with your card's manfid added
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the problem is that the manid of your cards needs to be compiled into the kernel in order for it to boot off it and since your card is not standard to the Zaurus it most likely did not get included during compilation of the kernel. you just need to recompile the kernel with your card's manfid added
That would explain why the card id is blank in the emergency menu too, wouldn't it (the emergency systenm kernel wouldn't have much by way of extra device info)?
SO.. that raises 2 questions and 2 possible outcomes
1a How do I get the manufacturer's ID without pulling the card?
it is an A-DATA 16GB Compact Flash Model SPEEDY CF 16GB 40x
1b How do I compile this kernel with support for this drive? or is anyone else inclined to do so?
2a possibly I will have to swap out the card for a 6GB microdrive to run titichy?
2b Or I just don't run titchy.
hmmm. I'd really prefer to keep the card in, and I'd like to give titchy a whirl.
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How does "lenny" different from "testing", or are they just they same?
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They are the same -- for now. Etch used to be testing, until it was released as the new stable. Now, lenny is testing. "unstable" is always named sid, after the kid in Toy Story who broke everyone's toys.
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that is my suspicion-- that the auto formatting in the script isn't handling my drive.I have replaced the original MD with a 16GB CF, which has worked just fine for pdax.
The problem is that I reformatted the "drive" using the emergency system and then got the same result, and have no idea how to make the debian installer NOT format my drive.
the drive is getting formatted as 1 big partition--and that might be the problem.possib
Are there any partition requirements,like boot flags or anything of the kind?
incidentally, I can't find anything other than "clear the hd in the diag menus
What I'd like to do, but lack the knowledge, is format the drive manually, and see if it goes. how can that be done without reflashing several times?.
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To get the installer to not format, I would try to edit the installer script. I haven't done so, but it ought to be possible.
If you, you could send that 16g drive to me for extensive testing.
I was able to re-format the drive my way, using the debian installer that appeared during the installation. But if it barfs before it gets that far, you may be forced to fiddle with the installation script.
Or, you could ask Neil, who I imagine is about to get inundated with questions.
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Hey, pdaXrom works! Perhaps it is not as polished, but it does work!
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I don't want to denigrate either pdaXrom or Angstrom. pdaXrom was a big jump from OE for me. But it was a friggin' nightmare to try to upgrade from beta 1 to the 098 (or whatever it is/was). I could not do it. I semi-bricked my toy twice in trying, for a whole day. Angstrom then came to the rescue, and it's installation and stability are great. But that project is so focused on development and extension to various machines that the user, the guy like me who wants to install what he needs and go, is left with too many packages that are just broken, and never get fixed. Tex, firefox, lyx, wifi-radar, and many other mission-critical packages for me were broken when I first installed, were well-known to be broken, and are at the same stage they were in March. Can you print from Angstrom? Use bluetooth? Just a second. I have a bluetooth card here I couldn't use in either Angstrom or pdaXrom. Let's see. OK, some setback, but I don't know what modules to load for my Belkin F8T020 adapter.
The bright idea of titchy is to just concentrate on getting a working kernel (which do exist, all ready to go), basic utils and config, and an X server --- just for one or two machines, too, and then set it up to use the largest "feed" (distribution) available. Makes sense to me. You don't have to bust your balls trying to "port" firefox or tex, either of which would be a monumental task. They are already there, tested by thousands of users.
Of course, my attitude is helped by the fact that I've used debian for years and years.
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I get "Temporary failure resolving 'debian.neilandtheresa.co.uk' when doing an apt-get update. How should I fix this? I can't ping it either, or anything (except my router, everything else says "ubknown host xyz"). Suggestions?
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I get "Temporary failure resolving 'debian.neilandtheresa.co.uk' when doing an apt-get update. How should I fix this? I can't ping it either, or anything (except my router, everything else says "ubknown host xyz"). Suggestions?
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you should fix you router/replace it, or change to use static ip addresses instead of dhcp since your leases do not automatically renew themselves effectively....
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Hey, pdaXrom works! Perhaps it is not as polished, but it does work!
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I don't want to denigrate either pdaXrom or Angstrom. pdaXrom was a big jump from OE for me. But it was a friggin' nightmare to try to upgrade from beta 1 to the 098 (or whatever it is/was). I could not do it. I semi-bricked my toy twice in trying, for a whole day. Angstrom then came to the rescue, and it's installation and stability are great. But that project is so focused on development and extension to various machines that the user, the guy like me who wants to install what he needs and go, is left with too many packages that are just broken, and never get fixed. Tex, firefox, lyx, wifi-radar, and many other mission-critical packages for me were broken when I first installed, were well-known to be broken, and are at the same stage they were in March. Can you print from Angstrom? Use bluetooth? Just a second. I have a bluetooth card here I couldn't use in either Angstrom or pdaXrom. Let's see. OK, some setback, but I don't know what modules to load for my Belkin F8T020 adapter.
The bright idea of titchy is to just concentrate on getting a working kernel (which do exist, all ready to go), basic utils and config, and an X server --- just for one or two machines, too, and then set it up to use the largest "feed" (distribution) available. Makes sense to me. You don't have to bust your balls trying to "port" firefox or tex, either of which would be a monumental task. They are already there, tested by thousands of users.
Of course, my attitude is helped by the fact that I've used debian for years and years.
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i agree with all you have said. but the kernel imho is still missing a few important features. once those are added/fixed then it would be almost perfect except for the speed which hopefully switching to the armel feed should fix once it has been fully ported.
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I get "Temporary failure resolving 'debian.neilandtheresa.co.uk' when doing an apt-get update. How should I fix this? I can't ping it either, or anything (except my router, everything else says "ubknown host xyz"). Suggestions?
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you should fix you router/replace it, or change to use static ip addresses instead of dhcp since your leases do not automatically renew themselves effectively....
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I am currently using a static IP address. Given that, is there anything I can do outside of fiddling with my router? It worked mostly fine in pdaXrom.
EDIT: Using dhcp fixed it.
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I can certainly agree that the kernel is missing at least one important feature--it doesn't recognize my internal CF
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that is my suspicion-- that the auto formatting in the script isn't handling my drive.I have replaced the original MD with a 16GB CF, which has worked just fine for pdax.
The problem is that I reformatted the "drive" using the emergency system and then got the same result, and have no idea how to make the debian installer NOT format my drive.
the drive is getting formatted as 1 big partition--and that might be the problem.possib
Are there any partition requirements,like boot flags or anything of the kind?
incidentally, I can't find anything other than "clear the hd in the diag menus
What I'd like to do, but lack the knowledge, is format the drive manually, and see if it goes. how can that be done without reflashing several times?.
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To get the installer to not format, I would try to edit the installer script. I haven't done so, but it ought to be possible.
If you, you could send that 16g drive to me for extensive testing.
I was able to re-format the drive my way, using the debian installer that appeared during the installation. But if it barfs before it gets that far, you may be forced to fiddle with the installation script.
Or, you could ask Neil, who I imagine is about to get inundated with questions.
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I think meanie was right about the kernel not recognizing my internal CF. I guess I'll wait for an update to both the kernel and the installer...
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I get "Temporary failure resolving 'debian.neilandtheresa.co.uk' when doing an apt-get update. How should I fix this? I can't ping it either, or anything (except my router, everything else says "ubknown host xyz"). Suggestions?
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you should fix you router/replace it, or change to use static ip addresses instead of dhcp since your leases do not automatically renew themselves effectively....
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I am currently using a static IP address. Given that, is there anything I can do outside of fiddling with my router? It worked mostly fine in pdaXrom.
EDIT: Using dhcp fixed it.
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that means your static ip settings were wrong. could have been netmask, route or dns settings...
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I get "Temporary failure resolving 'debian.neilandtheresa.co.uk' when doing an apt-get update. How should I fix this? I can't ping it either, or anything (except my router, everything else says "ubknown host xyz"). Suggestions?
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you should fix you router/replace it, or change to use static ip addresses instead of dhcp since your leases do not automatically renew themselves effectively....
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I am currently using a static IP address. Given that, is there anything I can do outside of fiddling with my router? It worked mostly fine in pdaXrom.
EDIT: Using dhcp fixed it.
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Let me add some detail also for those struggling with the installer.
It is the best to install Debian via a mirror.
Dhcp does not work during installation.
The first time you try to set up your network card is bound to fail. At most you can enter your Z's IP address and WEP key, but it seems the installation forces dhcp, which is broken at this stage.
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yeah yeah..for those of us with supported drives
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Hey, pdaXrom works! Perhaps it is not as polished, but it does work!
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I don't want to denigrate either pdaXrom or Angstrom. pdaXrom was a big jump from OE for me. But it was a friggin' nightmare to try to upgrade from beta 1 to the 098 (or whatever it is/was). I could not do it. I semi-bricked my toy twice in trying, for a whole day. Angstrom then came to the rescue, and it's installation and stability are great. But that project is so focused on development and extension to various machines that the user, the guy like me who wants to install what he needs and go, is left with too many packages that are just broken, and never get fixed. Tex, firefox, lyx, wifi-radar, and many other mission-critical packages for me were broken when I first installed, were well-known to be broken, and are at the same stage they were in March. Can you print from Angstrom? Use bluetooth? Just a second. I have a bluetooth card here I couldn't use in either Angstrom or pdaXrom. Let's see. OK, some setback, but I don't know what modules to load for my Belkin F8T020 adapter.
The bright idea of titchy is to just concentrate on getting a working kernel (which do exist, all ready to go), basic utils and config, and an X server --- just for one or two machines, too, and then set it up to use the largest "feed" (distribution) available. Makes sense to me. You don't have to bust your balls trying to "port" firefox or tex, either of which would be a monumental task. They are already there, tested by thousands of users.
Of course, my attitude is helped by the fact that I've used debian for years and years.
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It's tempting to hijack the topic, but I posted my reply in another dedicated thread:
[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24665&st=0&p=167628&#entry167628]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...28&#entry167628[/url]
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It great to see APM work well in Debian. Suspend/resume and battery level have no issue so far.
Now: how to adjust backlight in Debian/XFCE4? I've searched for a while but have yet to bump into a solution.
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I was tempted by the comments and tried it. Back to Cacko at the moment.
Questions: (I'll also comment at TitchyLinux Wiki)
1. The failures all seem to relate to 'identifying' and using the disk. 6GB in my 3200, any suggestions as to which driver to pick when offered the choice?
2. I was using a PEAK 1GB SD card, might there be a problem with that? Will try a different card.
3. Given the mirror installation choice, picked http, does anyone have a 'good' UK choice?
4. Wireless networking seemed to work fine if I set static info. Would it work if I tried to install with my CF lan card as the network access? I often find the wireless link problematic on the Zs.
This seems very promising as it is a disk based 'traditional linux set up.
Cheers for now.
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I was tempted by the comments and tried it. Back to Cacko at the moment.
Questions: (I'll also comment at TitchyLinux Wiki)
1. The failures all seem to relate to 'identifying' and using the disk. 6GB in my 3200, any suggestions as to which driver to pick when offered the choice?
2. I was using a PEAK 1GB SD card, might there be a problem with that? Will try a different card.
3. Given the mirror installation choice, picked http, does anyone have a 'good' UK choice?
4. Wireless networking seemed to work fine if I set static info. Would it work if I tried to install with my CF lan card as the network access? I often find the wireless link problematic on the Zs.
This seems very promising as it is a disk based 'traditional linux set up.
Cheers for now.
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To answer my own question: seems to be that the 128MB SD card I'm using now has let the install proceed normally.
Of course I did do new downloads for all the files, so that might have something to do with it. The SD card change is favourite though, someone posted a comment at Titchy that using a 128 MB instead of a 1GB card sorted them out.
Watching the mirror downloading now, my much distrusted wireless link is behaving extremely well!
No doubt there'll be more later! (At least I can restore the hard drive if I have to after yesterday's little escapade. I'm off to shred spam in the Wiki.
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To answer my own question: seems to be that the 128MB SD card I'm using now has let the install proceed normally.
Of course I did do new downloads for all the files, so that might have something to do with it. The SD card change is favourite though, someone posted a comment at Titchy that using a 128 MB instead of a 1GB card sorted them out.
Watching the mirror downloading now, my much distrusted wireless link is behaving extremely well!
No doubt there'll be more later! (At least I can restore the hard drive if I have to after yesterday's little escapade. I'm off to shred spam in the Wiki.
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Actually the first broken card I mentioned before is a 1GB Apacer SD (nude even without any label or sticker on it). The CD image failed to extract properly on this card. Then I switched to a Kingston 256MB SD and everything went well.
@adf: Perhaps you can give your other SDs a chance. That may work.
Yes, the Debian installation process is quite fun in itself. I had never imagined that would be possible when I got my first Z!
Hardware-wise the basic things (like suspend/resume, shutdown, system clock, etc) seem to be working well out of the box. Package-wise I can't say enough how good it is.
Looking forward to your hands-on report.
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I'm trying it also and it looks awesome. Just some problems at certain step of installation related to SD card (1 GB) and some weird wifi problems with my CF card (I don't know why but it work randomly in the instalation process, especially after first reboot).
Now, lets play a little with apps to see what can we make with this little.
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3. Given the mirror installation choice, picked http, does anyone have a 'good' UK choice?
Try http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ (http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/)
Plenty of bandwidth here!!
Cheers,
Alistair
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yeah yeah..for those of us with supported drives
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Me too... My int CF is not a popular one, and I've got exactly the same issue as yous. Thinking about replacing it with a sandisk.
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yeah yeah..for those of us with supported drives
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Me too... My int CF is not a popular one, and I've got exactly the same issue as yous. Thinking about replacing it with a sandisk.
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Maybe there is another way of installing like doing a NAND backuo/restore and copying the data directly to the CF in another linux machine...
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Maybe there is another way of installing like doing a NAND backuo/restore and copying the data directly to the CF in another linux machine...
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Well, if only our internal CF can be recognized and mounted by the debian kernel
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tux seems to be hinting that the CF recognition issue may have to do with the failure of the SD card to properly handle the CD installation image. My 1gb SD also failed.
[Well, I suddenly remember that the same 1gb SD card failed to install Debian EABI too!]
So, perhaps ...
-- try a different and smaller SD
-- restore the CF to its original partition state as descibed in Meanie's website, and just let the Debian installer reformat & repartition it?
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Maybe there is another way of installing like doing a NAND backuo/restore and copying the data directly to the CF in another linux machine...
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Well, if only our internal CF can be recognized and mounted by the debian kernel
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Maybe someone can ask "neil" to change the installer to make the installer skip the initial formatting of the microdrive and ask where debian has to be installed to.
I can see a way here to be able to install it on a C1000 (or even C7x0) : put install files on the first partition of a 4Gb-SD, install debian to the second partition.
Not sure there is support for +1Gb SD cards.
Only thinking out loud ...
Chero.
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tux seems to be hinting that the CF recognition issue may have to do with the failure of the SD card to properly handle the CD installation image. My 1gb SD also failed.
[Well, I suddenly remember that the same 1gb SD card failed to install Debian EABI too!]
So, perhaps ...
-- try a different and smaller SD
-- restore the CF to its original partition state as descibed in Meanie's website, and just let the Debian installer reformat & repartition it?
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Tried 4 different brand SD (though all 1G). Even tried deleting all partition in emergency mode and let the installer do the job, still no joy. A bit discouraged
EDIT: now gathering all SD from different dc and try them one by one. Hope I still have a <1G one
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tux seems to be hinting that the CF recognition issue may have to do with the failure of the SD card to properly handle the CD installation image. My 1gb SD also failed.
[Well, I suddenly remember that the same 1gb SD card failed to install Debian EABI too!]
So, perhaps ...
-- try a different and smaller SD
-- restore the CF to its original partition state as descibed in Meanie's website, and just let the Debian installer reformat & repartition it?
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Tried 4 different brand SD (though all 1G). Even tried deleting all partition in emergency mode and let the installer do the job, still no joy. A bit discouraged
EDIT: now gathering all SD from different dc and try them one by one. Hope I still have a <1G one
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I'm now looking at a little rat as the gui snaps into action.
I am convinced that the problems I had yesterday were to do with that old 'Will this SD card work for flashing?' question! Nice to see that some things don't change!
I still had some wobbles as it installed though. All down to me reading too hastily.
Now all I have to do is find out how to use the gui!!
Thanks Urkden for the post over at TitchyLinux, gave me the urge to try with one of my old, smaller cards.
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3. Given the mirror installation choice, picked http, does anyone have a 'good' UK choice?
Try http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ (http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/)
Plenty of bandwidth here!!
Cheers,
Alistair
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Thanks for your suggestion, but this time I just took the first one in the suggested list for the UK and it worked!
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tux seems to be hinting that the CF recognition issue may have to do with the failure of the SD card to properly handle the CD installation image. My 1gb SD also failed.
[Well, I suddenly remember that the same 1gb SD card failed to install Debian EABI too!]
So, perhaps ...
-- try a different and smaller SD
-- restore the CF to its original partition state as descibed in Meanie's website, and just let the Debian installer reformat & repartition it?
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Hi ZDevil.
I'm sure that this is the difference. This time around the loading of the base packages that do the hardware detection etc. went all the way through. The first attempts bottled out at low percentages as I watched the progress bar.
This time the hard disk was detected and the parted came into action.
I forgot the name of the option on the main menu, but I looked at ZDevil's screenshots and it is the 'load installer components' one.
This is looking very good.
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I had an install issue as well with a 1Gb SD. This solved it :
Create new partitions using fdisk, create at least two, set the type of the first one to fat (type 6), save the partition table, format the first partition using mkfs.msdos, copy the files to this partition and play.
The trouble with some preformatted and pre-partitioned SD's is that the installer/emergency system/nand-restore ... doesn't recognise the partitions, even though they are just fine for normal use. Repartitioning on a linux box or the zaurus usually solves the problem.
I've done this trick several times to restore nand, install uboot and I had to do it again to install titchy.
Second tip : wait long enough after copying the files to disk before unmounting the card. Even on a windows box. Have a break, drink some coffee (do not spill it on the Z), have dinner, play with your kids, tell you're wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/dog/cat/... you love him/her, .... Just give it some time.
Chero.
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debian ! debian ! debian !
(with kernel improvement please )
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... I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that I undeniably do or do not know whether the SD card shouldn't probably be the culprit... (Ouch! Watch my nose!)
Perhaps we need to undertake some more serious empirical scientific research in the phenomenon of the breakdown of the chemical bonding in the romantic relationship between CF and Debian inside a big dog's tummy...
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... I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that I undeniably do or do not know whether the SD card shouldn't probably be the culprit... (Ouch! Watch my nose!)
Perhaps we need to undertake some more serious empirical scientific research in the phenomenon of the breakdown of the chemical bonding in the romantic relationship between CF and Debian inside a big dog's tummy...
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I bet you went to uni ?
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Heres a way out there type question - any chance I can install titchy on an SD card?
So I have pdaXii13 running fine on my MD. I would like to try out this titchy thing.....
Got a 2GB SD - say I partition it as 2 x 1GB and stick installer etc on 1 partition and then install to the other? Then when done could use partition1 as /home etc.....
Flaws? Not sure if there is a point in the boot/install where the target hard dirve is sleected/chosen - is there one?
TIA
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Heres a way out there type question - any chance I can install titchy on an SD card?
So I have pdaXii13 running fine on my MD. I would like to try out this titchy thing.....
Got a 2GB SD - say I partition it as 2 x 1GB and stick installer etc on 1 partition and then install to the other? Then when done could use partition1 as /home etc.....
Flaws? Not sure if there is a point in the boot/install where the target hard dirve is sleected/chosen - is there one?
TIA
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For now the installer only knows the microdrive as the local disk but makes no friends with SD.
Perhaps an easier way is to make a backup of your pdaXii13 setup (seems Meanie has come up with a solution for this?) and let the microdrive taste Debian. You never know, maybe your Z ends up falling in love with it and asks for more...
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I'm going to try to compile a new kernel for this. Anybody have any patch requests (not that they'll necessarily be used, but I'll most likely try)? The HostAP injection patch is already going to be used.
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Sound and fastfpe (if they are not there) please!
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Another short note:
Besides the Comments section, check out the Tips section as there are many handy tips there:
http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Tips (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Tips)
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The tips page says:
"Hold the key to the right of Alt and tap the screen to perform a right mouse button click."
I tried but nothing happened. What to do?
[EDIT]
xev reports that "the key to the right of Alt" is mapped to Control_R (keycode 105).
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Sound and fastfpe (if they are not there) please!
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Dang...I just started the build (I thought there was something I was supposed to do when it was asking about FPE... ). I'll probably do another one, though, as I probably messed something up here.
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Just a tip for non english language... changing the locale is fast and works as far as I've tested.
Now running XFCE, Iceweasel, gnumeric, abiword and mousepad in Spanish.
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I recommend trying Galeon instead of IceWeasel. It's lighter AFAIK, at least it runs quite nicely.
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I'm going to try to compile a new kernel for this. Anybody have any patch requests (not that they'll necessarily be used, but I'll most likely try)? The HostAP injection patch is already going to be used.
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please patch for my a-data 40x cf 16gb card!
the pdaxii13 kernel recognizes it..maybe it is a simple option?
as well as sound and fastfpe
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Fastfpe doesn't have a Makefile in it's dir, so as far as I can tell, I can't use it.
Do you know where there's a patch for said CF card?
EDIT: And what do people mean by "sound?"
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Fastfpe doesn't have a Makefile in it's dir, so as far as I can tell, I can't use it.
Do you know where there's a patch for said CF card?
EDIT: And what do people mean by "sound?"
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I don't. Given that the pdax kernel handles it, I bet meanie might have an idea.
possibly it is something in ata, or pcmcia options?
ut seems to function on the generic sharp sl cf driver....?
the sound patches in the pdaxii13 kernel... again ask meanie, or eviljazz
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Fastfpe doesn't have a Makefile in it's dir, so as far as I can tell, I can't use it.
Do you know where there's a patch for said CF card?
EDIT: And what do people mean by "sound?"
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For sound see here:[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23984&pid=167603&st=75&#entry167603]sound[/url]
Not sure if its possible - I think eviljazz's stuff is for 2.4 kernels only at the minute...
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OK, I'll wait for them to post (please do!).
On a brighter note, I'm getting the kernel to compile properly (a file was broken), so hopefully I be able to test it soon.
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OK, I'll wait for them to post (please do!).
On a brighter note, I'm getting the kernel to compile properly (a file was broken), so hopefully I be able to test it soon.
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Is there any files relating to wm8750 in the debian kernel source?
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I think so...But my Z won't boot after installing the new kernel, so it may not be useful.
I followed the procedure here:
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel)
and copied the modules over (before flashing the kernel). Now when I press the power button, the screen flashes white for a split second, then nothing happens.
Ideas?
EDIT: Yes, there is wm8750 stuff.
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I think so...But my Z won't boot after installing the new kernel, so it may not be useful.
I followed the procedure here:
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel)
and copied the modules over (before flashing the kernel). Now when I press the power button, the screen flashes white for a split second, then nothing happens.
Ideas?
EDIT: Yes, there is wm8750 stuff.
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What toolchain are you using? Native or cross compile?
The sound maybe as simple as merging evil_jazz's patches into the wm8750 files - but I'm guessing.
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Cross-compiling using the toolchain in the link above.
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Cross-compiling using the toolchain in the link above.
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Guess i'll have to get me a debian installation and have a play. Sorry can't help much right now.
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Cross-compiling using the toolchain in the link above.
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Guess i'll have to get me a debian installation and have a play. Sorry can't help much right now.
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this is gcc4, right? there wouldn't be fastfpe, would there? wasn't that a gcc 2.5 thing?
The A-Data 16GB card should be covered by some generic ata/pcmcia/flash options, one would think, since it worked on ubuntu dapper and in pdaxii13 with no extra mods..
Edit: one good reason to actually put some effort into support for the A-data is that it runs $100+ USD less than the sandisk, and gives performance on the Z that should be quite close or even identical to the "faster" sandisk (due to zaurus limits, not card differences, or a lack thereof). More interestingly A-Data is coming out with a 32 Gig Cf card. Between the low price and the upcoming bigger card, this might well be a popular conversion card, if it is working well on several roms
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Well I must be keen: I re-installed it, but this time I chose testing (=lenny?) for the install. A few minor problems that I didn't see with etch.
It didn't set time and date correctly. I finally used date to sort that out.
It forces a password change at every login.
I hope someone can explain where to turn that off!
(sorted I used passwd --mindays 30 user)
When I did the recommended command for staring the gui, from the install page the login screen was too big for the zaurus.
Using startx sorted that out. I think I mean it's a bad idea to use xdm directly. But maybe the reboot had something to do with it working properly with startx?
I was clumsy in calibrating the screen. The tip about deleting ts.conf worked well.
Can't seem to get startx to work when logged in as ordinary user. Any suggestions?
Where is sudo when you want her?
Plus points:
It seems to me that the keymapping is spot on (I thought there were some glitches with the etch set up).
The stylus/mouse seems to be more usable and positive.
I've asked for a new forum down in the requests section. Hope some kind admin is paying attention.
General plusses: the wifi connection has never been so stable, seems quicker than my very limited experience with pdaxrom. Like the browsers.
RFC: what is the standard pim stuff really? I don't recognise it from Ubuntu.
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Sounds great! I'll be testing soon if the install works. I formatted/wiped everything (including the MD), so there shouldn't be anything wrong.
How's IceWeasel work? Faster than in pdaX? How about Galeon (lightweight gecko-based browser)?
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I would think the next step would be to try epiphany running over webkit instead of gecko--it should be lighter, but still quite powerful
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Here's a lesson: It doesn't appear to work to just install a new kernel, so I'm going to try to flash the kernel in the first place. Hope it works (I like my packet injection. It's a great trick for amazing friends/convincing them to set up WPA ).
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Here's a lesson: It doesn't appear to work to just install a new kernel, so I'm going to try to flash the kernel in the first place. Hope it works (I like my packet injection. It's a great trick for amazing friends/convincing them to set up WPA ).
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WPA and some beautiful MAC filter??
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Thanks for ZDevil screen caps.
I have no wifi / LAN card that can connect to internet. therefore the "failed to load codename message" cannot be evicted in the installation process normally.
I have tried the following command in the CONSOLE (in the very late menu options )
debootstrap --arch arm etch target/ cdrom/
with the SD card having extracted the contents of the '/dists' inside the debian.iso and still no luck getting into the package selection screen (saying cannot find 'cdrom/dists/Release' file, and df gives the cdrom/ dir is mounted to SD card already). Has anyone got any workaround to get in that screen ?
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It didn't set time and date correctly. I finally used date to sort that out.
I just set up ntpd and it's been right ever since.
It forces a password change at every login.
I hope someone can explain where to turn that off!
(sorted I used passwd --mindays 30 user)
No clue.
It didn't set time and date correctly. I finally used date to sort that out.
I just set up ntpd and it's been right ever since.
When I did the recommended command for staring the gui, from the install page the login screen was too big for the zaurus.
Yeah, but it's no big deal. I think the etch xdm is pretty cheesy, anyway. Are you using gdm? xdm works OK -- you just can't see all the window. You see enough.
Can't seem to get startx to work when logged in as ordinary user. Any suggestions?
Where is sudo when you want her?
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Again, no clue, though I use xdm so I haven't tried. Try suid'ing root.
Plus points:
It seems to me that the keymapping is spot on (I thought there were some glitches with the etch set up).
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iceweasel/icedove still ignores the Fn key, and @ is Shift-- not Fn--, which of course is good seeing as how you might want that key in icedove.
The stylus/mouse seems to be more usable and positive.
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Mouse? That is the one thing I can't get working right. I plug in a usb mouse, but have to hold it sideways to be able to move it properly, due to the screen orientation. Since the kdrive server does not accept a config file, I am stumped. Clue?
I've asked for a new forum down in the requests section. Hope some kind admin is paying attention.
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Great. Let us know when/if it happens.
General plusses: the wifi connection has never been so stable, seems quicker than my very limited experience with pdaxrom. Like the browsers.
RFC: what is the standard pim stuff really? I don't recognise it from Ubuntu.
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I agree regarding the wifi. I haven't tried it away from home yet, but with a working wifi-radar I have hopes, although the firmware on my Ambicom card is too old to support WPA.
As far as PIM stuff goes, I am using orage for a calendar (on all my machines, now). I want to be able to place a calendar file on all of my machines that I can use. I will not use gpe-calendar, since the last two times they changed the file format, old files were unreadable by the new calendar. So you cannot reliably use the damn thing if you regularly upgrade your system. I am using gpe-contacts, and might think of using gpe-todo, but I don't use a to-do list.
Orage is pretty simple, but it works, the calendar file is not buried 8 directories deep and inexplicable like dates (why in the evolution tree??), which file works?? It ain't real pretty, though.
If you hold fast to one version, I think gpe-calendar is prettier and has a better interface. I have not yet decided. You can actually get gpe-calendar for it, even though it is not in lenny. It is in sid, and you can install directly a single sid package if you want.
Let's get the separate forum going.
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Cross-compiling using the toolchain in the link above.
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?? What link? I must've lost the thread you were responding to.
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This one:
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/x50vHowTo#kernel)
I posted in the comments section of the homepage asking how the kernel was built in the first place, so hopefully that'll pan out.
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Well I must be keen: I re-installed it, but this time I chose testing (=lenny?) for the install. A few minor problems that I didn't see with etch.
It didn't set time and date correctly. I finally used date to sort that out.
It forces a password change at every login.
I hope someone can explain where to turn that off!
(sorted I used passwd --mindays 30 user)
When I did the recommended command for staring the gui, from the install page the login screen was too big for the zaurus.
Using startx sorted that out. I think I mean it's a bad idea to use xdm directly. But maybe the reboot had something to do with it working properly with startx?
RFC: what is the standard pim stuff really? I don't recognise it from Ubuntu.
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I had these problems when I chose many of the modules from the "Load components from CD installer" menu during installation. Just choose the "select mirror" componese (and perhaps also ssh client) will avoid them.
PIM stuff: GPEpim, Orage (simple but handy), KOrganizer (looks very nice!) + KAddressbook, Evolution, JPilot, Hnb, Emacs (Org-mode or Planner mode), VIM outliner ... and quite a few others.
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A few issues so far:
Hardware:
1) How to adjust backlight?
2) The Kanji key (the one to the raight of Alt) + tap won't produce right click.
3) Occasional screen flickering
4) Stylus pointer "jumping", quite noticeable when the stylus sticks to the screen
5) Sound doesn't seem to work. xmms plays but no sound.
6) Silkscreen keys and screen hinge switch are not enabled.
Programs:
1) Cannot install Galeon or Epiphany. apt-get complains about "Broken Package" because libxul0d fails to install.
2) scim-tables-zh seems broken, but other scim chinese stuff seem to work fine.
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Screen rotation does work!!
Just use:
xrandr -o 1
And this is the portrait mode. You don't even need to specify the geometry. XFCE4 seems to handle this so well!
And
xrandr -o 0 = landscape
xrandr -o 2 = inverted
xrandr -o 3 = inverted portrait
But xev fails to detect the screen hinge switch (same with the silkscreen button). So it seems the kernel do not set up these keys.
A simple solution is to create a system menu entry for the rotation command. Alias and desktop shortcuts will also do.
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about sound : there is a .deb-package on the Titchy site to "hack" sound.
According to the comments/bugs/tips it should work. (I'll test this evening)
http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Li.../Fixed/No_sound (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Bug_Reports/Fixed/No_sound)
Anyone got bluetooth with a billionton CF working ?
Chero.
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Great. But where can i find the "zaurus-soundhack.deb" and the Angstrom ALSA userspace? There is no pointer on that page.
Also can anyone confirm if USB devices are working? I saw some USB libs and utilities in the package feeds. But my Z does not have network connection at the moment.
Thanks!
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Great. But where can i find the "zaurus-soundhack.deb" and the Angstrom ALSA userspace? There is no pointer on that page.
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apt-get install zaurus-soundhack
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I have to admit I'm rather tempted by this ARM version of Debian particularly as I run Debian on 3 machines at home.
There is a different version of Murphy's Law called Barry's Law:
'If it can go wrong then he'll make it go wrong'
In view of that I could change the microdrive in my C3100 for a new blank one and install on that. If I didn't like it or the installation failed miserably could I then replace my original microdrive and boot into my current operating system as normal?
If that is feasible where could I get a larger microdrive (8GB?) at a reasonable price preferably in the U.K.?
Ta muchly!
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Great. But where can i find the "zaurus-soundhack.deb" and the Angstrom ALSA userspace? There is no pointer on that page.
Also can anyone confirm if USB devices are working? I saw some USB libs and utilities in the package feeds. But my Z does not have network connection at the moment.
Thanks!
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The sound stuff I haven't bothered with, yet, except to verify that I could here a *.au file catted to /dev/audio.
I am currently using a usb mouse and jump drive, and a printer. Just modprobe ohci-hcd. They work like a charm, except the mouse is sideways. I use a powered usb hub, but don't need it. I thought the Z provided very little power to the usb port, but it's enough for these devices. The power probably makes it easier on the battery, though.
I am trying to find someone to help me re-orient the mouse. It seems to think the screen should be in portrait mode, and neither the kdrive server rotation nor xrandr will rotate the mouse orientation, only the screen display.
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I have to admit I'm rather tempted by this ARM version of Debian particularly as I run Debian on 3 machines at home.
There is a different version of Murphy's Law called Barry's Law:
'If it can go wrong then he'll make it go wrong'
In view of that I could change the microdrive in my C3100 for a new blank one and install on that. If I didn't like it or the installation failed miserably could I then replace my original microdrive and boot into my current operating system as normal?
If that is feasible where could I get a larger microdrive (8GB?) at a reasonable price preferably in the U.K.?
Ta muchly!
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Others have reported problems using non-standard microdrives. YMMV. So, what's so great about your current OS on the machine?
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My USB drive works after doing a modprobe ohci-hcd.
But when I connect my SE w800i phone via USB, I got this:
usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using pxa27x-ohci and address 6
usb 1-2: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power
usb 1-2: no configuration chosen from 1 choice
But that works under pdaX and OpenBSD.
Is there a fix for it?
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I have to admit I'm rather tempted by this ARM version of Debian particularly as I run Debian on 3 machines at home.
There is a different version of Murphy's Law called Barry's Law:
'If it can go wrong then he'll make it go wrong'
In view of that I could change the microdrive in my C3100 for a new blank one and install on that. If I didn't like it or the installation failed miserably could I then replace my original microdrive and boot into my current operating system as normal?
If that is feasible where could I get a larger microdrive (8GB?) at a reasonable price preferably in the U.K.?
Ta muchly!
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Others have reported problems using non-standard microdrives. YMMV. So, what's so great about your current OS on the machine?
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It works!
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Reinstalling: I think I know what I'm doing now!
I've picked the ssh component from the mirror section and I've decided to go back to stable. The login looked a lot neater.
I'd like to be able to boot into command line, log in and goto gui from ordinary user. I'll have to remember how I used to do this on older machines.
apt-get install sudo will solve one of my problems, if I remember add my ordinary user to sudoers.
Since my boxes run ubuntu, I think I'll head towards their way of working.
About pim, I use kdepimpi in the all platform version that can run from memory card or pendrive with my boxes. I use the Z version on my other Zs and the Archos.
I'm hoping that I can just put the files on a memory card, mount on this system and just click and run. If I can I'll report back.
If it won't, there is always the compile the source method?
But probably the easier thing would be to install korganiser and kdepim because I could just drop the Z data into the right directory and configure the kde apps to match.
I certainly don't fancy entering 600+ contacts from the keyboard again!
Another reason for dropping back to etch is that the lenny system started having wifi problems. The booting process showed that a hack was being loaded to get round a problem with my card and the messages started to be errors!
Anyway this distro has rekindled my enthusiasm for the 3200 and caused a good deal of late night over indulgence in caffeine!
I'm off to shred spam in the wiki.
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Screen rotation does work!!
Just use:
xrandr -o 1
And this is the portrait mode. You don't even need to specify the geometry. XFCE4 seems to handle this so well!
And
xrandr -o 0 = landscape
xrandr -o 2 = inverted
xrandr -o 3 = inverted portrait
But xev fails to detect the screen hinge switch (same with the silkscreen button). So it seems the kernel do not set up these keys.
A simple solution is to create a system menu entry for the rotation command. Alias and desktop shortcuts will also do.
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possibly yet another reason to improve and refine the kernel (other than so that I can use it )
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@adf
Have you tried to install Debian again with another SD card?
So far there are two theories floating around:
Theory 1: The kernel fails to handle certain CF cards/microdrives. We have yet to see the hard evidence.
Theory 2: It is a more general issue of SD card misbehavior (see Chero's post for the fix) that causes problem during extraction of the CD image, resulting in the failure to reformat the disk (it seems the reformatting tool is somewhere in the CD image). A number of users (tux, Chero, me, etc) have confirmed this.
How about supplying us some evidence for/against either of these?
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I'd like to be able to boot into command line, log in and goto gui from ordinary user. I'll have to remember how I used to do this on older machines.
About pim, I use kdepimpi in the all platform version that can run from memory card or pendrive with my boxes. I use the Z version on my other Zs and the Archos.
I'm hoping that I can just put the files on a memory card, mount on this system and just click and run. If I can I'll report back.
But probably the easier thing would be to install korganiser and kdepim because I could just drop the Z data into the right directory and configure the kde apps to match.
I certainly don't fancy entering 600+ contacts from the keyboard again!
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Booting into the command line:
I posted a trick earlier on to kill and remove xdm (after upgrading to Lenny)
1) # /etc/init.d/xdm stop
2) Exit X
3) # update-rc.d -f xdm remove
4) Done
PIM data:
unison would be very useful here. No need to manually compare/merge/fix the differences between files.
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As for brightness, I came across xbrightness (only available for Lenny and Sid), but it complains about the old version of randr in the system. The program requires 1.2 and it spots the 1.1 version in the system. I have searched around a bit in the package feeds but don't know yet how to get around this.
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Reinstalling: I think I know what I'm doing now!
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Another reason for dropping back to etch is that the lenny system started having wifi problems. The booting process showed that a hack was being loaded to get round a problem with my card and the messages started to be errors!
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It took two attempts to reinstall. The first one cracked up with segmentation faults towards the end of the process. Don't ask what happened, I have no clue!
Perhaps an occurrence of BarrySamuel's law!
The problem then, after successful install, was that the wireless card stopped working. It didn't do that last night!
Maybe the fact that my cards are three old Zonet cards and a Pretec from the dark ages has a bearing on this? Perhaps I should get a new flashy wifi card. Any tips?
It seems that the system now renames the wifi interface from the eth0 used in install, which is configured, to wlan1, which of course isn't!
I edited the interfaces file to reflect the change and went on my merry way rejoicing.
The gui is installing now.
I plan to install dhcp-client edit the interfaces file to suit, sudo and edit the sudoers file, alter the time before password change is forced and set the system time correctly.
I'll do a shutdown -r reboot and see what happens before I use the gui extensively.
Boy is this revising my patchy command line skills!
I'll make a note of your xdm tip ZDevil. Thanks again.
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Hi,
Still somebody working on the kernel ?
I can't get "serial_cs.ko" loaded cause "8250.ko" gives errors about unknown symbols.
Without serial_cs I can't get my Billionton-bluetooth-CF running ...
Chero.
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Well, I e-mailed neil and posted in the comments section asking how the kernel was originally built. I'm currently trying to just use the patched HostAP drivers from a custom-built kernel in the hopes they will work and I won't need to recompile the kernel.
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Well, I e-mailed neil and posted in the comments section asking how the kernel was originally built. I'm currently trying to just use the patched HostAP drivers from a custom-built kernel in the hopes they will work and I won't need to recompile the kernel.
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My CF issues aside, it seems to me that this kernel, despite being a major step in getting a large distro on the Z, still needs to be tweaked quite a bit
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about sound : there is a .deb-package on the Titchy site to "hack" sound.
According to the comments/bugs/tips it should work. (I'll test this evening)
http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Li.../Fixed/No_sound (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Bug_Reports/Fixed/No_sound)
Anyone got bluetooth with a billionton CF working ?
Chero.
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I tried neil's solution:
1) apt-get install zaurus-soundhack
2) Edit /etc/default/soundhack. Set the volume level (0-100)
3) Run /etc/rcS.d/S50soundhack
But it doesn't work. xmms and a couple of games (such as xarchon) still play no sound.
The titchy linux wiki is down for the moment, so I can't check again.
I vaguely remember the bug fixed page says something like setting in OSS.
Has anyone succeeded here?
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My CF issues aside, it seems to me that this kernel, despite being a major step in getting a large distro on the Z, still needs to be tweaked quite a bit
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Just curious to know if Debian still fails to install on your CF with other SD cards (< 1gb).
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My CF issues aside, it seems to me that this kernel, despite being a major step in getting a large distro on the Z, still needs to be tweaked quite a bit
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Just curious to know if Debian still fails to install on your CF with other SD cards (< 1gb).
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Actually, I'm pretty convinced that meanie was right-- I haven't tried, under the assumption that the error saying the kernel couldn't see hda1 meant the problem was in recognizing the cf. I might try this weekend, though the sound problem isn't encouraging
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Reinstalling: I think I know what I'm doing now!
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Another reason for dropping back to etch is that the lenny system started having wifi problems. The booting process showed that a hack was being loaded to get round a problem with my card and the messages started to be errors!
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It took two attempts to reinstall. The first one cracked up with segmentation faults towards the end of the process. Don't ask what happened, I have no clue!
Perhaps an occurrence of BarrySamuel's law!
The problem then, after successful install, was that the wireless card stopped working. It didn't do that last night!
Maybe the fact that my cards are three old Zonet cards and a Pretec from the dark ages has a bearing on this? Perhaps I should get a new flashy wifi card. Any tips?
It seems that the system now renames the wifi interface from the eth0 used in install, which is configured, to wlan1, which of course isn't!
I edited the interfaces file to reflect the change and went on my merry way rejoicing.
The gui is installing now.
I plan to install dhcp-client edit the interfaces file to suit, sudo and edit the sudoers file, alter the time before password change is forced and set the system time correctly.
I'll do a shutdown -r reboot and see what happens before I use the gui extensively.
Boy is this revising my patchy command line skills!
I'll make a note of your xdm tip ZDevil. Thanks again.
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I had a problem with wifi after install as well. The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them. I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest. Maybe we both need new cards.
But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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New question. I am interested in getting WPA access with my 3100. I have not been able to do so before. Maybe titchy/debian will give me new ways....
I have an old Ambicom wl 1100c. It works great at home (open access) and at most hotels. I have read that the firmware on the card needs to be updated to make this work with WPA. I have also heard that doing so can toast the card. Access range isn't all that hot, anyway. Maybe it's time for a new card.
But stores don't sell them any longer. so it has to be on-line.
Does anyone have one that works with WPA?? Or, can I make the Ambicom work? Suggestions for wpa_supplicant, and maybe some other utilities?
Since I seem to be able to do everything else with my usb port now, could I use one of these usb stick wifi adapters? Anyone try? Again, would it work with WPA? Would it need a powered hub?
I know most of y'all are still fiddling with installing this, but you'd be the only ones likely to know about wifi on titchy machines.
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Hello,
Just a few questions please:
1.Are there any emulators that work well for debian arm?
2.What about notepad or a quick way to scribble notes?
3.What are the top 5 apps that the Debian users are using currently?
4. What does Pdaxii13 do better?
Thanks in advance
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New question. I am interested in getting WPA access with my 3100. I have not been able to do so before. Maybe titchy/debian will give me new ways....
I have an old Ambicom wl 1100c. It works great at home (open access) and at most hotels. I have read that the firmware on the card needs to be updated to make this work with WPA. I have also heard that doing so can toast the card. Access range isn't all that hot, anyway. Maybe it's time for a new card.
But stores don't sell them any longer. so it has to be on-line.
Does anyone have one that works with WPA?? Or, can I make the Ambicom work? Suggestions for wpa_supplicant, and maybe some other utilities?
Since I seem to be able to do everything else with my usb port now, could I use one of these usb stick wifi adapters? Anyone try? Again, would it work with WPA? Would it need a powered hub?
I know most of y'all are still fiddling with installing this, but you'd be the only ones likely to know about wifi on titchy machines.
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I updated the firmware of my WL1100C with little trouble (and downgraded it as well). It does support WPA as far as I know, so you may want to look into it (you can update on your Z with my kernel, found here
[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24233&st=30]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24233&st=30[/url]
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Another reason for dropping back to etch is that the lenny system started having wifi problems. The booting process showed that a hack was being loaded to get round a problem with my card and the messages started to be errors!
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I had a problem with wifi after install as well. The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them. I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest. Maybe we both need new cards.
But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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Thanks for the info and the possible explanation. The last installation has left me with a working eth0 as set up by the installation process! Perhaps my problem was related to lenny?
Any way all my cards work, wifi is rock-solid: never been so confident in wifi with the Zs.
But if I want the smarter security I'll need to find a new one. I must try and find time to test the cf lan card and the usb lan dongle. Not to mention the usb memory devices.
I did install dhclient and it works without problem: i'll get around to setting the system to use it automatically eventually.
I did find that the keymap that I 'installed' using the wiki instructions didn't load at boot up. i sorted it by mv-ing the spitz file into theconsole directory. Now works fine.
ZDevil's tip about rmove xdm has let me have my way about text login. Installing sudo has let me then run the gui. I suppose I'm being dozy, but surely there is a more elegant way of quitting x thean ctrl alt / ?
On a more trivial note: I installed frotz and can now waste more time playing Scott Adams's games and Zork!
cheers (Oh and adf try a different SD card i'm sure you'll be successful!)
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I had a problem with wifi after install as well. The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them. I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest. Maybe we both need new cards.
But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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How do you do the (un)blacklisting precisely? I am also using the same CF wifi card and also start to run into wifi trouble. The card keep losing connection with the router ("no IPv6 routers present" error).
I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added
blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plxto the file and reboot. Still having trouble.
For sound I installed the zaurus-soundhack.deb, but sound is still not working despite this dmesg output:
ASoC version 0.13.0
WM8750: WM8750 Audio Codec 0.12
asoc: WM8750 <-> pxa2xx-i2s mapping ok(and I hear some noise from the speaker at this point...)
Any update?
Thanks!
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@adf
Have you tried to install Debian again with another SD card?
So far there are two theories floating around:
Theory 1: The kernel fails to handle certain CF cards/microdrives. We have yet to see the hard evidence.
Theory 2: It is a more general issue of SD card misbehavior (see Chero's post for the fix) that causes problem during extraction of the CD image, resulting in the failure to reformat the disk (it seems the reformatting tool is somewhere in the CD image). A number of users (tux, Chero, me, etc) have confirmed this.
How about supplying us some evidence for/against either of these?
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I'll give it a few tries this weekend. I have another theory, too.
That zImage that goes on the SD isn't the debian kernel, is it? Is it maybe more of a boot loader kernel? I sugggest this both from what seems to be the way openbsd is doing things, and because on every ther debian install I've ever done, the debian kernel is in the install image? If this is true, then possibly it is a crappy bootloader kernel and not really a debian issue at all regarding why on boot my drive isn't found (root= incorrect). Any comments?
I would say, though that the disk is at least repartitioned, whether or not there is a formatting problem.
I'll partition an sd--start from a 256M partition with everything standard. failing that I'll replace the titch zImage with a pdaxii13 zImage (on the theory it is a boot loader). we'll see
re read chero's post. my experience is that the system claims to have extracted correctly- is this usual if the SD partitioning is the culprit?
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@adf
Have you tried to install Debian again with another SD card?
So far there are two theories floating around:
Theory 1: The kernel fails to handle certain CF cards/microdrives. We have yet to see the hard evidence.
Theory 2: It is a more general issue of SD card misbehavior (see Chero's post for the fix) that causes problem during extraction of the CD image, resulting in the failure to reformat the disk (it seems the reformatting tool is somewhere in the CD image). A number of users (tux, Chero, me, etc) have confirmed this.
How about supplying us some evidence for/against either of these?
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I'll give it a few tries this weekend. I have another theory, too.
That zImage that goes on the SD isn't the debian kernel, is it? Is it maybe more of a boot loader kernel? I sugggest this both from what seems to be the way openbsd is doing things, and because on every ther debian install I've ever done, the debian kernel is in the install image? If this is true, then possibly it is a crappy bootloader kernel and not really a debian issue at all regarding why on boot my drive isn't found (root= incorrect). Any comments?
I would say, though that the disk is at least repartitioned, whether or not there is a formatting problem.
I'll partition an sd--start from a 256M partition with everything standard. failing that I'll replace the titch zImage with a pdaxii13 zImage (on the theory it is a boot loader). we'll see
re read chero's post. my experience is that the system claims to have extracted correctly- is this usual if the SD partitioning is the culprit?
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From my last glimpse at the comments on the TichyLinux site, it appears that the kernel is an angstrom one. So I'm thinking that Capn Fish and other like minded souls will be able to get thoroughly involved with this!
I hope you get your machine up and running soon, I think chero's tip will help with the SD card business.
I really posted to report how easy it is to use my usb lan dongle.
I stopped the wifi, ejected it and plugged in the dongle. Then i did the modprobe ohci-hcd magic. i didn't have to mess about with command line configuration. i did install dhclient and all it took was to use dhclient and it went off and connected me!
Oh, fn + d-pad does swap tty in the console environment. I'll try the keylaunch tricks later on. Thanks all.
I'm now going to try and upgrade to lenny.
I've twiddled the sources list and an update and a dist-upgrade should do the trick. Since I've had three days with about 4 hours per night sleep playing at this I'll leave it to play while I nap in front of the TV!
Cheers.
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As I suspected would be the case, same exact error from repartitioned card.
Using a pdaxii kernel, the titchy system formatted everything just fine, but of course didn't work.
It has looked to me, from reflashing after a failed Titchy attempt, and from doing the alternate kernel thing that the Titchy formatting/updating system has worked perfectly in all of my attempts. (if a full format is "perfect")
I'm convinced the problem is that the titchy kernel is not recognizing my device, and that my options are to not use titchy or to not use my 16gig CF. Given that pdaxii13 works I guess I'll pass on Titchy until some further development makes it seem likelier to actually work. For now, I'm spending way too much time profitlessly flashing my Z.
thanks for the pointers, though.
Edit: if the kernel is from Angstrom, then maybe there's some hope it will get fixed eventually. til then I guess I'll skip trying Angstrom, too
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Thanks for the informative update, adf.
Sorry to hear the ode of dejection from your A-Data CF ...
Personally I am (and have always been) very optimistic about the future of Debian/Z. It will be the killer distro on Z (and handhelds in general). It is already very close to this. At least it has already brought about such a big surprise to those who can get it running.
Looking forward to more good news/tips/fixes and bigger fun.
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I had a problem with wifi after install as well. The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them. I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest. Maybe we both need new cards.
But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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How do you do the (un)blacklisting precisely? I am also using the same CF wifi card and also start to run into wifi trouble. The card keep losing connection with the router ("no IPv6 routers present" error).
I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added
blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plx
to the file and reboot. Still having trouble.
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I tried this and it seems to fix the wifi problem.
1) Just create a separate blacklist file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-eth.
2) Then drop the few lines in the quote above into this file.
3) Save and reboot.
4) Now my wifi connection comes back again!
But I am not absolutely sure if it is because of the unpredictable behavior of the kernel module.
Can anyone confirm this?
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As I suspected would be the case, same exact error from repartitioned card.
Using a pdaxii kernel, the titchy system formatted everything just fine, but of course didn't work.
It has looked to me, from reflashing after a failed Titchy attempt, and from doing the alternate kernel thing that the Titchy formatting/updating system has worked perfectly in all of my attempts. (if a full format is "perfect")
I'm convinced the problem is that the titchy kernel is not recognizing my device, and that my options are to not use titchy or to not use my 16gig CF. Given that pdaxii13 works I guess I'll pass on Titchy until some further development makes it seem likelier to actually work. For now, I'm spending way too much time profitlessly flashing my Z.
thanks for the pointers, though.
Edit: if the kernel is from Angstrom, then maybe there's some hope it will get fixed eventually. til then I guess I'll skip trying Angstrom, too
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Adf, when you go through the installation process do you get to the stage where it says something about 'loading installation components'. Assuming you do: a progress bar comes up and a message that says the components are being loaded and the components being loaded flash on the screen and an updating percentage is shown.
On my first tries that did not succeed in installing anything, but which did format the hard drive, the percentage and the bar flicked off at various low percentages. Now I realise that the components did not all load, hence the failed installs. Among the components are the modules that detect the hardware... including the hard drive for use in the later stages of the install.
Of course you could well be right that your non standard disk is not being recognised. But if the disk detection module is not being loaded it would fail to recognise any disk.it certainly failed to recognise my standard drive until I started again with a Lexar 128MB SD card.
Before you go to the trouble of surgery on your Z, or give up, try again with a small capacity card!
Either way I hope you're soon up and running, I'm likely to need lots of help!
The dist-upgrade I mentioned in an earlier post appears to have completed. I'm looking at a graphical login and the led stopped flashing a minute or two ago. It has taken approx 1 hour to complete. Wish me luck!!
I was wrong, I had to quit from it and answer some questions at the console. Hope I answered correctly!
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I get nothing about installation components. the kernel loads a few things decides to set root and panics.
you may be right about the low capacity card, the problem is that here in Ak a low capacity card is likely to be something that has been on the shelves for a few years and is being sold at its original retail markup--or close. I really don't want to shell out 40-50 bucks for a 128M SD, and the smallest I have here is 1G. I could try a small partition of my 4g, but that doesn't sound hopeful. I guess I'll call around for a small SD
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I get nothing about installation components. the kernel loads a few things decides to set root and panics.
you may be right about the low capacity card, the problem is that here in Ak a low capacity card is likely to be something that has been on the shelves for a few years and is being sold at its original retail markup--or close. I really don't want to shell out 40-50 bucks for a 128M SD, and the smallest I have here is 1G. I could try a small partition of my 4g, but that doesn't sound hopeful. I guess I'll call around for a small SD
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The more I think about it the more I think you might be on to something. I had a look around hda1--as far as I can tell, the extraction went fine- which means that something possibly didn't get extracted to the nand flash. This would fit your ideas about what might be happening.
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I get nothing about installation components. the kernel loads a few things decides to set root and panics.
you may be right about the low capacity card, the problem is that here in Ak a low capacity card is likely to be something that has been on the shelves for a few years and is being sold at its original retail markup--or close. I really don't want to shell out 40-50 bucks for a 128M SD, and the smallest I have here is 1G. I could try a small partition of my 4g, but that doesn't sound hopeful. I guess I'll call around for a small SD
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The more I think about it the more I think you might be on to something. I had a look around hda1--as far as I can tell, the extraction went fine- which means that something possibly didn't get extracted to the nand flash. This would fit your ideas about what might be happening.
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update, I accidentally tried with a cf card in, the console scroll showed that it used cf card services to identify the card before it tried to set root on my internal, and crashed with the same kernel panic.
For now, I am taking meanie's view to be most accurate, and returning to pdaxii13 to await developments
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I had a problem with wifi after install as well. The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them. I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest. Maybe we both need new cards.
But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added
blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plxto the file and reboot. Still having trouble.
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Try backlisting orinoco and unblacklisting hostap, instead. That was the suggestion I found on the net, but most people have newer wifi cards than mine. But I had a specific error message (I forgot it now, very odd, looks like raw code), so maybe your problem is different from mine.
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I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added
blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plxto the file and reboot. Still having trouble.
I didn't have either of the last two of those, I had just
blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_cs
Originally both the hostap and the orinoco modules loaded. For my old card, the orinoco modules worked, the hostap did not.
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I'll give it a few tries this weekend. I have another theory, too.
That zImage that goes on the SD isn't the debian kernel, is it?
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yes, it is a debian kernel -- full thing, not just a bootloader.
Is it maybe more of a boot loader kernel? I sugggest this both from what seems to be the way openbsd is doing things, and because on every ther debian install I've ever done, the debian kernel is in the install image?
it's a Zaurus thing. That is where the kernel has to go, as I understand it.
From my last glimpse at the comments on the TichyLinux site, it appears that the kernel is an angstrom one. So I'm thinking that Capn Fish and other like minded souls will be able to get thoroughly involved with this!
No, Angstrom kernels are armel-based, not arm, and they will not run arm binaries.... I tried.
I really posted to report how easy it is to use my usb lan dongle.
I stopped the wifi, ejected it and plugged in the dongle. Then i did the modprobe ohci-hcd magic. i didn't have to mess about with command line configuration. i did install dhclient and all it took was to use dhclient and it went off and connected me!
I'm now going to try and upgrade to lenny.
I've twiddled the sources list and an update and a dist-upgrade should do the trick. Since I've had three days with about 4 hours per night sleep playing at this I'll leave it to play while I nap in front of the TV!
Cheers.
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Hello,
Just a few questions please:
1.Are there any emulators that work well for debian arm?
2.What about notepad or a quick way to scribble notes?
3.What are the top 5 apps that the Debian users are using currently?
4. What does Pdaxii13 do better?
Thanks in advance
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emulators of what? You mean wine? I would not hope for much out of that.
As far as notes go, you could try mousepad, but I prefere xpostit for this sort of thing.
Top 5? For me? icedove, iceweasel, LyX (and TeX), wxmaxima, pysol...
I haven't used pdaXrom since beta 1, since I could not upgrade to the one with the 2.6 kernel.
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I think he means game console emulators? amaiga and dos emulators? that kind of thing?
Along the lines of iceweasel being a good reason to run debian, has anyone tired NVU/Kompozer?
and, Zdevil, have you tried kde? 3.5 is more useable on a cf in pdaxii13 than it was on the MD--I bet it would be useable in debian run from a CF.
Anyone try an NX client? (is there one for arm?)
sshfs?
I'd be willing to bet that pdaxii13 does video/audio playback way better, and very likely does better game emulation. Pdax, and especially pdaxii13 has a longer history of refinement on the Z--and the iwmmxt/bvd/audio enhancement stuff for the 2.4 kernel hasn't been matched by anything running 2.6 on the Z.
The advantage of debian is that it is a Z (and apparently already a pretty good one) port of a big, well integrated, developed and maintained distro--arguably much more powerful from a systems stand point---that and some of the software (like the web browser) is newer
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Hi adf,
give it another try when you can find a cheap 128 MB card. I'm sure you'd be happy with this system, unless you and Meanie are correct about your big drive.
Since you have experience of pdax systems, do you have any suggestion of how I might avoid using sudo to load the gui as a 'normal' user? I was wondering if an x user group might be a possibility?
Good luck with getting Titchy working.
I have been happy using kdepimpi on my Zs and the thumbdrive version on my boxes. I just copy the working file to/fro the current Z to the boxes.
So I installed kdepim in Titchy last night and it took a while, it also takes ages to load! But I've just copied the calendar files across into my home directory. When I double tapped korganiser sprang, creakily, to life and imported it. I then imported the birthday file and merged it in. If I was cleverer with korganiser I might have chosen better.
I'm just waiting to see what happens now I've double tapped the addressbook file. 600 plus contacts! So it could be a while. I've just clicked on 'import all'. I should go for another cup of tea. The drive led is still flashing occasionally, so I really will have that cup of tea before saving and exiting from kaddressbook.
If I use the kdepim apps I'm going to have to leave the addressbook app open in a workspace or it will be far too slow!
This does work but is slow. The calendar files are ics format, the addressbook files are vcf. I'll go googling for apps that can use these formats and that might work quickly.
Any suggestions are more than welcome.
I'm finding that titchy is making me feel more ambitious. Compiling programs on the 3200 looks more doable, I've loaded build-essential. I'm even thinking that a big drive like ZDevil would be worth the attempt.
Cheers
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I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient anomaly), and that with an update or two it will. Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?
Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card
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I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient anomaly), and that with an update or two it will. Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?
Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card
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I thought the Xcfe idea was that it would run better on a low resource machine? I'll leave trying kde until I've got a bit further in!
I've just removed kdepim and stared to look for other possibilities. Orage which is the calendar app for Xcfe loads the ics files. I'll carry on with my googling and see what i can find for contacts. I don't want to go the 'import contacts from Outlook' route. I want at least to be able to copy the data files between the various apps I use without extra fiddles.
(I forgot to say that the dist-upgrade went well. Just had to use ZDevil's tip about xdm remove to work from a text login.)
Cheers
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XFCE will be faster, definitely. I simply like having the kde option.
As I said earlier, I bet the epiphany-with-webkit-backend will be worth trying out, though.
glad to hear "testing" is an option.
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XFCE will be faster, definitely. I simply like having the kde option.
As I said earlier, I bet the epiphany-with-webkit-backend will be worth trying out, though.
glad to hear "testing" is an option.
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Isn't the webkit stuff excruciatingly buggy and crashes almost as soon as you load the browser?
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Hi,
Wanted : X-specialist.
I installed u-boot and pdaXrom r198 after the titchy setup.
I can boot both pdaXrom and debian (debian by pressing "2" while booting).
I can use bluetooth and wifi in both systems. They both use kernel 2.6.16 now.
The downside (or the problem to solve) : I can't run X.
I checked the way kdrive is installed in debian, but it doesn't seem to be standard and it seems to be using it's own libs ??
I tried the pdaXrom Xfbdev, but no go.
I tried xorg, but then X can't find display.
I also tried Xephyr (based on kdrive ?) but that one asks to set the display. I tried "zaurus:0" and "127.0.0.1:0" but no go.
Anyone have an idea ?
Dualbooting pdaX and debian would be a dream machine !
Chero.
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(I forgot to say that the dist-upgrade went well. Just had to use ZDevil's tip about xdm remove to work from a text login.)
Cheers
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So the latest: removed everything I installed, titchy-desktop, abiword, iceweasel, sylpheed... (I left dhclient on.)
Then I installed titchy, the complete desktop set up from N&T site.
The contact (gpe) program loads the kdepimpi file from the Zs. It doesn't do the categories though. Orage is the calendar and will load the kdepimpi file from the Zs.
Serendipity! So it looks like I should get on to my Nokia tablets and see if the gpe suite will load the files from the Zs.
As to the pimlico suite: dates seems ok, there is a repository if you look on the pimlico site. Contacts seems to want to load some evolution libraries. I decided not to bother for the moment.
So I'll try the gpe stuff out for now. I was dubious because of the Opie/Angstrom connection. I admit to being prejudiced, but I have found those distros/projects to be a painful waste of time for me.
Don't bother to flame me, I think I was under prepared for the culture change!
Pidgin is in the titchy setup. I've never bothered with the likes of this, I suppose I shoulsd give it a try?
Sylpheed just works with no hassles at all!
Cheers!
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Hi,
Wanted : X-specialist.
I installed u-boot and pdaXrom r198 after the titchy setup.
I can boot both pdaXrom and debian (debian by pressing "2" while booting).
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Could you show me how to do that, even though I am no X-specialist?
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More results of sound and key testing.
Sounds:
It WORKS.
I installed alsa and some mixer apps, such as aumix, in addition to zaurus-soundhack.deb .
In aumix there are three settings:
Pcm, Pcm2 and IGain, which are set to 100, 80 and 80 respectively.
I found the speaker volume was too low. Setting Pcm2 to 90+ makes a difference.
I've installed tons of games today (>1gb installed space!). So far all the games can play sound and music, but I can feel a little bit of delay.
xmms also plays sound through the headphone (but not the speaker), but the app runs so slowly (about 3 times slower than normal) that sound got seriously truncated.
Video performance:
I tried several games, such as Powermanga and Uqm. They play much slower in Debian than in pdaX.
Right-click:
Pressing the kanji key (to the right of Alt) and tap does give right click as desired, at least in the xfce4 panel.
Now I am beginning to feel some sluggishness in the system, especially the multimedia side. Perhaps it's because of the lack of floating point emulation and optimization of the ARM packages.
General feeling:
Then again most other non-multimedia packages run so well, perhaps even better than those in pdaX, such as Iceweasel and Evolution (the big big guys).
Multi-language input method, such as SCIM, UIM and GCIN, all work smoothly. I can enter CJK characters freely in most apps, including GTK and QT apps, and even in the terminal (using Nano, etc). IIRC they are all broken in the new versions of pdaX, and are not easy to fix and build.
I think I will continue to use Debian for now, because it fulfills my productivity needs without the hassles of building everything all on my own.
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Kernel an EABI are the big deal here.
I've exprienced a little with multimedia and experienced similar difficulties.
Maybe tweaking a bit the source kernel and recompiling helps enough to make the system beauty enough while waiting EABI debian to come.
Any news about which kernel source was used?
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Along the lines of iceweasel being a good reason to run debian, has anyone tired NVU/Kompozer?
and, Zdevil, have you tried kde? 3.5 is more useable on a cf in pdaxii13 than it was on the MD--I bet it would be useable in debian run from a CF.
Anyone try an NX client? (is there one for arm?)
sshfs?
I'd be willing to bet that pdaxii13 does video/audio playback way better, and very likely does better game emulation. Pdax, and especially pdaxii13 has a longer history of refinement on the Z--and the iwmmxt/bvd/audio enhancement stuff for the 2.4 kernel hasn't been matched by anything running 2.6 on the Z.
The advantage of debian is that it is a Z (and apparently already a pretty good one) port of a big, well integrated, developed and maintained distro--arguably much more powerful from a systems stand point---that and some of the software (like the web browser) is newer
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I have yet to try KDE, but i bet it's gonna be OK in Titchy.
Both sshfs and NX are very interesting possibilities. But I am not such a power user so I hope someone will test them.
I agree that those pdaX packages, especially those using sound and video, run smoother than in Debian (I know because I've packaged dozens of games for Beta3 before). I think overclocking and recompiling with optimization will help a lot here.
Still the completeness of the main system, documentation and the package system are definitely the dream features of a truly mature distro for the Z.
pdaX is very nice, but as I said before, its future is always not very certain to me and there remains a question of sustainability.
Debian/Z will get better and better and won't be more broken. Upgrading does not require building/configuring/tuning the whole thing from the ground up. It is just one simple apt-get command and won't (semi-)brick the Z.
I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient anomaly), and that with an update or two it will. Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?
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Some skilled hands have already started working on the Debian kernel. So there will be good news in the near future.
PIM stuff run so well already in Debian, and there are far more choices than in pdaX. Latest stuff such as QT4 and GCC4 are already available in the feeds. I may get my hand wet again when I feel comfortable enough with Debian.
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good news about interest in kernel development.
I don't know that you'd have to such a power user to want sshfs or NX-- being able to mount a remote directory from public wireless securely over sshfs seems like it would be just handy occasionally-- same with using NX; the compression in NX might make it possible to do work on a server/desktop at home over GPRS from about anywhere. How about this scenario- start a torrent on your home box while on the road someplace, pick up a couple media files from it at the hotel over wifi, securely?
Looking over /var/log/dmesg on pdaxii13, the line that seems to enable my cf card is:
Intel PXA250/210 PCMCIA (CS release 3.1.31)
pxa_pcmcia_init(0)
pxa_pcmcia_init(1)
there doesn't seem to be any need to identify it further in this sytem. in the debian system, cards seem to get identified and named before they are attached-- maybe it is a little too sensitive?
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I tried this and it seems to fix the wifi problem.
1) Just create a separate blacklist file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-eth.
2) Then drop the few lines in the quote above into this file.
3) Save and reboot.
4) Now my wifi connection comes back again!
But I am not absolutely sure if it is because of the unpredictable behavior of the kernel module.
Can anyone confirm this?
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There are two sets of modules that can be loaded for wifi cards, the hostap or the orinoco. If I have this right, older prism cards need the orinoco, and newer ones need the hostap. Mine, at least, needs the orinoco.
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As to the pimlico suite: dates seems ok, there is a repository if you look on the pimlico site. Contacts seems to want to load some evolution libraries. I decided not to bother for the moment.
So I'll try the gpe stuff out for now. I was dubious because of the Opie/Angstrom connection. I admit to being prejudiced, but I have found those distros/projects to be a painful waste of time for me.
Cheers!
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I could not figure out how to properly syncronize files between machines using dates. The calandar data is buried deep within the .evolution/ tree (why??), and copying the files that have particular data on them sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't. I want to simply use sftp to update office and home from the Z.
gpe-calendar pissed me off by changing formats --- no way to migrate existing calendars to the new formats. Hello?
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I tried this and it seems to fix the wifi problem.
1) Just create a separate blacklist file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-eth.
2) Then drop the few lines in the quote above into this file.
3) Save and reboot.
4) Now my wifi connection comes back again!
But I am not absolutely sure if it is because of the unpredictable behavior of the kernel module.
Can anyone confirm this?
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There are two sets of modules that can be loaded for wifi cards, the hostap or the orinoco. If I have this right, older prism cards need the orinoco, and newer ones need the hostap. Mine, at least, needs the orinoco.
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This is correct, you only need one or the other depending on which wifi card you have. But the real problem is that there are some cards that have the exact same manfid, but some of those require the hostap module wheras others require the orinoco. The big problem is that both of these cards need to use different modules in order to work but have the exact same manfid and you just cannot preconfigure a correct blacklist to load the appropriate driver/prohibit loading the wrong driver since the manfid for some cards is just plain ridiculous ly conflicting
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I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient anomaly), and that with an update or two it will. Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?
Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card
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actually, other kernels (prior to 2.6.21) don't identify your drive at all. the kernel only needs to identify your card if it wants to boot off it. it can use and mount it fine otherwise. what you have seen before in pdaxrom is its the kernel knows nothing about your drive and does not even care because it boots off the nand and it knows about the nand. then your card is just mounted by the pcmcia sybsystem.
the oz 2.6 kernel (which the debian kernel is based on) boots off the microdrive instead of the nand, thus the microdrive's id has been compiled into the kernel so it knows about the microdrive and can boot off it. since you swapped your microdrive, it won't recognise it until the info for your card is also added to the kernel.
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I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient anomaly), and that with an update or two it will. Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?
Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card
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actually, other kernels (prior to 2.6.21) don't identify your drive at all. the kernel only needs to identify your card if it wants to boot off it. it can use and mount it fine otherwise. what you have seen before in pdaxrom is its the kernel knows nothing about your drive and does not even care because it boots off the nand and it knows about the nand. then your card is just mounted by the pcmcia sybsystem.
the oz 2.6 kernel (which the debian kernel is based on) boots off the microdrive instead of the nand, thus the microdrive's id has been compiled into the kernel so it knows about the microdrive and can boot off it. since you swapped your microdrive, it won't recognise it until the info for your card is also added to the kernel.
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then I should probably get the manfid--how would I go about that without pulling it out of the Z?
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Hi,
Wanted : X-specialist.
I installed u-boot and pdaXrom r198 after the titchy setup.
I can boot both pdaXrom and debian (debian by pressing "2" while booting).
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Could you show me how to do that, even though I am no X-specialist?
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Just install uboot and flash pdaXrom.
Boot into pdaX, copy /lib/modules/2.6.16 to /mnt/ide/lib/modules/2.6.16
Reboot while pressing "2" boots into debian.
Reboot while pressing nothing boots into pdaXrom.
Chero.
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Great, thanks, Chero.
But I will hold out for X because Debian is no fun at all without X ...
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Just install uboot and flash pdaXrom.
Boot into pdaX, copy /lib/modules/2.6.16 to /mnt/ide/lib/modules/2.6.16
Reboot while pressing "2" boots into debian.
Reboot while pressing nothing boots into pdaXrom.
Chero.
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Finally I also gave uboot a whirl.
Same problem:
xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
... Besides I also noticed something very strange under /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/X11 and /usr/bin/X11/X11 : everything is linked to itself!
I remember after installing uboot and pdaXrom r198, when booting into Debian I got a strange fsck error reporting filesystem inconsistencies.
Perhaps the system is messed up...
So I booted into pdaXrom r198 again and copy the kernel modules to a card.
Now doing a NAND backup and installing the whole thing again from the ground up.
Will try to use the pdaXrom kernel in Debian again and see how things go.
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Just install uboot and flash pdaXrom.
Boot into pdaX, copy /lib/modules/2.6.16 to /mnt/ide/lib/modules/2.6.16
Reboot while pressing "2" boots into debian.
Reboot while pressing nothing boots into pdaXrom.
Chero.
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Finally I also gave uboot a whirl.
Same problem:
xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
... Besides I also noticed something very strange under /usr/X11R6/bin/X11/X11 and /usr/bin/X11/X11 : everything is linked to itself!
I remember after installing uboot and pdaXrom r198, when booting into Debian I got a strange fsck error reporting filesystem inconsistencies.
Perhaps the system is messed up...
So I booted into pdaXrom r198 again and copy the kernel modules to a card.
Now doing a NAND backup and installing the whole thing again from the ground up.
Will try to use the pdaXrom kernel in Debian again and see how things go.
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X is started from /opt/kdrive in titchy.
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men,
i've just backuped up my working angstrom to install Titchy Linux on my C3000 !
work in progress here :
http://jpmatrix.livejournal.com/9376.html (http://jpmatrix.livejournal.com/9376.html)
first good news : my Asus WL110 CF WIFI card has been recognized out of the box!
[to be continued]
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Am I totally off track here?
I have seen howtos for bulding ipks and howtos for building debs. Would it be possible to unpack an ipk and then take the files and build a deb package?
Assuming this could be done and there were the equivalent arm deb library packages would this be a shortcut to getting z apps up and running?
I know that there are qt libraries out there.
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Am I totally off track here?
I have seen howtos for bulding ipks and howtos for building debs. Would it be possible to unpack an ipk and then take the files and build a deb package?
Assuming this could be done and there were the equivalent arm deb library packages would this be a shortcut to getting z apps up and running?
I know that there are qt libraries out there.
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deb2ipk does that.
however, the current Debian arm feeds are based on glibc 2.3.x, whereas all SharpROM based distros are glibc 2.2.x including all pdaXrom based distros. This only leaves the OZ/A based distros. In theory, OZ could be mixed with Debian arm and Angstrom with Debian armel
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Am I totally off track here?
I have seen howtos for bulding ipks and howtos for building debs. Would it be possible to unpack an ipk and then take the files and build a deb package?
Assuming this could be done and there were the equivalent arm deb library packages would this be a shortcut to getting z apps up and running?
I know that there are qt libraries out there.
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deb2ipk does that.
however, the current Debian arm feeds are based on glibc 2.3.x, whereas all SharpROM based distros are glibc 2.2.x including all pdaXrom based distros. This only leaves the OZ/A based distros. In theory, OZ could be mixed with Debian arm and Angstrom with Debian armel
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Thanks Meanie, so I'll have to bite the bullet and get the source code, compile on TitchyLinux and build the deb myself? Oh well it's never to late too learn!
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*takes sl-c3100 out of drawer*
Glad I never got around to putting this up on Ebay.
*clicks next to start Titchy install*
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
I did a reinstall and had the same problem. (tried 3 times, don't know what went right during the first install and can't be repeated ???)
BTW : I used dhcp during the installation.
Adding some drivers to /etc/modules solves most problems (SD, wifi, keymap, lan, bluetooth-usb, mouse).
Still figuring out what else I'm missing.
Could somebody post his /etc/modules and the output of "lsmod" over here ?
Chero.
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OK, impressions. I get the impression that this is not normal:
-My SD card won't appear in /dev
-udev isn't installed
Can't do much else at this point. If somebody could post their install steps, it'd be appreciated. This looks really neat, but it is horribly broken for me
I did a reinstall and had the same problem. (tried 3 times, don't know what went right during the first install and can't be repeated ???)
BTW : I used dhcp during the installation.
Adding some drivers to /etc/modules solves most problems (SD, wifi, keymap, lan, bluetooth-usb, mouse).
Still figuring out what else I'm missing.
Could somebody post his /etc/modules and the output of "lsmod" over here ?
Chero.
Well, those suffering from this problem :
- change /etc/modules to load the following :
loop
zaurus
- install udev :
apt-get install udev
reboot.
All solved.
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Hello,
I tried Debian but could not get to full install with my SL-C3100- I only spent an hour or so playing around.
Is it possible to get someone to copy their hard drive and install it on my 3100 if the partitions are the same? I know the file might be large, but I would be willing to host it for other newbie members to download.
If not, any ideas on how much work it would take to get the install as seamless as the full PDAxii13?
.....oh yeah.... I would be willing to pay for a hard drive copy with instructions on how to install and/or to help make Titchy an easier install.
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Actually installing Debian can be as easy as installing Cacko, pdaXrom (non-uboot versions) and Angstrom.
There is an alternative way to install the base system without using network connection (up to step 5).
*** The "10-step-self-help guide to enjoying a popular penguin" ***
[Please let me know if any of the step is not described accurately]
[Don't give up if things fail; you can always use the original method described in the Titchy Linux wiki http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing), although it requires network connection all the way through]
Just start from here: http://www.bigbridgezau.sakura.ne.jp/dev/debian/ (http://www.bigbridgezau.sakura.ne.jp/dev/debian/)
#1 Preparation work:
A. Prepare the installer:
Download 4 things and copy them to the root of SD:
updater.sh
gnu-tar
zImage-2.6.17-cpufreq-fastfpe.bin OR zImage-2.6.20-cpufreq.bin (This is the kernel; rename it to zImange.bin)
hddrootfs.tar.gz (This is the base system and Etch; rename it to hdimage1.tgz)
B. Prepare the disk:
(This is not absolutely necessary, do it at your discretion)
To ensure a good clean install, you may want to reformat the whole disk into one big root partition first
Enter the [D]+ emergency mode (i.e. remove power sources, press [D] and , put back AC and battery, power on);
Reformat your microdrive/internal CF by fdisk /dev/hda;
Delete all partitions (d);
Add primary partition 1 (n);
Change the type of the partition (t): partition 1 is 83 (Linux);
Write to the partition table and sync the disk (w);
Now format the partition into Ext3 format: mke2fs -j /dev/hda1
Ready to proceed to #2
#2 Reboot the Z while pressing [OK] to enter the flash menu
#3 Just flash as usual by choosing "4" and then "SD" and then "Y"
#4 If things go well (they should), then kernel will flash and the big tarball will decompress to /dev/hda1. This may take an hour.
#5 Installation will complete itself and reboot the machine. Debian is ready to go! (default root login: root; root password: kuroadmin)
(From now on you will need network connection to update and upgrade the system)
#6 Set up your network profile in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, blacklist hostap if you are using Ambicom WL1100C (for details see this post: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=fi...&pid=168621 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=168621) ).
You can then do the postinstallation steps as descibed in "After installation" in the titchy linux wiki: http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing)
#7 To upgrade from Etch ("stable" but a bit dated) and Lenny ("testing" and the new stuff), change "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list
#8 apt-get update
#9 apt-get dist-upgrade
#10 Wow!
Plus two desserts:
#11 If you fancy playing with over/underclocking, grab the dvfm binary (not the armel.zip) from the japanese link above.
#12 If you feel like trying different (Angstrom) kernels, three versions are available: 2.6.17-fastfpe-cpufreq, 2.6.20-cpufreq, 2.6.22-cpufreq.
Remember to use the same updater.sh from the download location of the kernel!
More discussion this way: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24815 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24815).
And be CAREFUL: do NOT flash the kernel with the big installation tarball, because your disk may get reformatted and wiped clean and overwritten with a clean install!
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Actually installing Debian can be as easy as installing Cacko, pdaXrom (non-uboot versions) and Angstrom.
There is an alternative way to install it without using networking.
*** The "10-step-self-help guide to enjoying a popular penguin" ***
Just start from here:
#1 Download 4 things and copy them to the root of SD:
updater.sh
gnu-tar
zImage-2.6.17-cpufreq-fastfpe.bin OR zImage-2.6.20-cpufreq.bin (This is the kernel; rename it to zImange.bin)
hddrootfs.tar.gz (This is the base system and Etch; rename it to hdimage1.tgz)
Snipped...
#4 If things go well (they should), then kernel will flash and the big tarball will decompress to /dev/hda1. This may take an hour.
#5 Installation will complete itself and reboot the machine. Debian is ready to go!
#6 You can then do the postinstallation steps as descibed in "After installation" in the titchy linux wiki: http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing)
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I'm feeling very dim this morning, so please excuse me if my questions have already been answered elsewhere in the threads.
gnu-tar:- where from, what is it? (I don't think they sent me the memo! ) (I suspect I'm being really dim on this one!)
zImage files:- the one from the TitchyLinux? Is it in your list? If so, which one? If not, will it work with the corresponding updater.sh?
hddrootfs.tar.gz (This is the base system and Etch; rename it to hdimage1.tgz). Where do you recommend we get this from?
Last question, , do we need to partition our drive beforehand, does it use the partitions it finds or does this process partition it for us?
(I cheated, that was three last questions! )
I think your post and the answers to the questions would make a good base for a Wiki page. Do you want to write it yourself or would you prefer to let me start it off?
Cheers for yet another interesting and helpful post.
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Oops. Sorry, I left out the URL. It's there now.
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My brain cells have started talking to each other again!
There is a Japanese web site called Big Box. Here is a link to their TitchyLinux (Big Box Titchy (http://www.bigbridgezau.sakura.ne.jp/wiki.cgi?page=%B8%BC%C8%A2Debian%2DTitchy) pages.
(ZDevil has just put in a link to the Debian section of the site while I was typing this!) Thanks ZDevil.
All the files in ZDevils post are available here.
So I only need the answers to these questions:
zImage files:- the one from the TitchyLinux? Is it in your list? If so, which one? If not, will it work with the corresponding updater.sh?
Last question, , do we need to partition our drive beforehand, does it use the partitions it finds or does this process partition it for us?
I'm going to try this tonight! Which should give me the answers to some of them!
Cheers
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@tux
You don't need the installation files from the titchy wiki, except perhaps the zaurus-hardware-support. The files in BigBridgeZauWiki are a complete set.
Perhaps a repartition (into one big root partition) is needed for a clean install. Last time I tried this method but found the original swap partition (/dev/hda5) done under titchy got ignored and cannot be mounted. The device node is simply missing.
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I think your post and the answers to the questions would make a good base for a Wiki page. Do you want to write it yourself or would you prefer to let me start it off? Cheers for yet another interesting and helpful post.
Perhaps we better test this before posting in the wiki to avoid confusing the enthusiastic beginners.
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I think your post and the answers to the questions would make a good base for a Wiki page. Do you want to write it yourself or would you prefer to let me start it off? Cheers for yet another interesting and helpful post.
Perhaps we better test this before posting in the wiki to avoid confusing the enthusiastic beginners.
Quite right! I'm testing at this moment. Just putting the files on a 128MB SD card, freshly formatted to Fat 16. I'll scribble notes as I go.
Maybe adf could try this method and see if his 16GB microdrive is recognised? I'm very tempted to invest in a SanDisk one and set that up.
Am I correct in assuming that this could be done from a CF card?
Later...
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I've just updated Post #200. Please test. I've installed twice with this method and it worked.
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BTW I've made a little poor slideshow specially for installing Debian using titchy's method:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/...157702606/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/sets/72157602157702606/show/)
Click on the pictures and you'll see the descriptions.
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I found this method a much easier way to install Debian on my Zaurus 3200, thanks for the info ZDevil!
Other than wishing my Zaurus had 128, rather than 64, megabytes of RAM, I am a little concerned
that the bigbridgezau.sakura hard-disk image has not swap-space at all. After having spent a lot of time
downloading the base-system/XFCE and upgrading to lenny, is there any way to shrink the root partition
to create some swap space?
Oh, and I too am looking for a light-weight i.e. fast-loading, organizer/datebook/addressbook which will import my KO/PI
entries.
Cheerio, David.
Actually installing Debian can be as easy as installing Cacko, pdaXrom (non-uboot versions) and Angstrom.
There is an alternative way to install the base system without using network connection (up to step 5).
*** The "10-step-self-help guide to enjoying a popular penguin" ***
[Please let me know if any of the step is not described accurately]
[Don't give up if things fail; you can always use the original method described in the Titchy Linux wiki http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing), although it requires network connection all the way through]
Just start from here: http://www.bigbridgezau.sakura.ne.jp/dev/debian/ (http://www.bigbridgezau.sakura.ne.jp/dev/debian/)
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I found this method a much easier way to install Debian on my Zaurus 3200, thanks for the info ZDevil!
Other than wishing my Zaurus had 128, rather than 64, megabytes of RAM, I am a little concerned
that the bigbridgezau.sakura hard-disk image has not swap-space at all. After having spent a lot of time
downloading the base-system/XFCE and upgrading to lenny, is there any way to shrink the root partition
to create some swap space?
Oh, and I too am looking for a light-weight i.e. fast-loading, organizer/datebook/addressbook which will import my KO/PI
entries.
Cheerio, David.
That's what I seem to see: the simple method doesn't create a swap partition for you.
But a swapfile will just do the job. And that's not a big deal at all if you are using microdrive, although some users may worry about wearing issue of internal compact flash. But i suppose it's much easier to talk about this in theory than to actually see it in real life. And the prices of memory cards just keep diving. So who cares?
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I thought this might be a sensible place to post a copy of a message Neil put on his site:
QUOTE
All,
I've made a couple of updates to the wiki, including some of the tips you've shared here. But I have less and less time to work on this...
Titchy is a very small project (just a kernel, an X server and some default XFCE4 settings, really). Hopefully someone else can take what I've started and run with it.
2007-10-11 15:57:20
END QUOTE
If there is anyone who might be able to offer any help, perhaps they should contact Neil and see what might be done?
Also, there is a file for download there called linux-2.6.20.tar.gz, Titchy Sources (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Sources) , which might be of value. It is 50+ MB in size, so I shan't attempt to upload it. It appears to be the kernel source that people were asking for.
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Looks pretty sweet this OS!
A pitty it isn't working on the SL6000 series
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Looks pretty sweet this OS!
A pitty it isn't working on the SL6000 series
Is Angstrom working ?
If yes, then it should be possible !
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Is Angstrom working ?
If yes, then it should be possible !
I don't know, if so it would be nice.
Then again, I don't think the Wifi hardware is allready supported, so have to compile that for it...
Can somebody give some info about the Angstrom?
Thanks
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Is Angstrom working ?
If yes, then it should be possible !
I don't know, if so it would be nice.
Then again, I don't think the Wifi hardware is allready supported, so have to compile that for it...
Can somebody give some info about the Angstrom?
Thanks
have a look on www.angstrom-distribution.org and read :
Supported Zaurus Machines
Posted October 7th, 2007 by XorA
in Zaurus
Just so there is no confusion for people switching from from OpenZaurus there are currently only three Zaurus machines that have active support within Ångström.
These machines are supported: c7x0, spitz (C3X00), poodle (5600).
These machines are not supported: tosa (6000), collie (5500), akita (1000).
We will continue to produce images for the unsupported machines but fixes to them are likely to be slow in being worked on without active developer working on them.
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... These machines are not supported: tosa (6000), collie (5500), akita (1000).
We will continue to produce images for the unsupported machines but fixes to them are likely to be slow in being worked on without active developer working on them.
Ok, but still I'm dual-booting Angstrom - Titchy on my C1000.
I haven't got a 6000 to test, anyone else ?
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... These machines are not supported: tosa (6000), collie (5500), akita (1000).
We will continue to produce images for the unsupported machines but fixes to them are likely to be slow in being worked on without active developer working on them.
Ok, but still I'm dual-booting Angstrom - Titchy on my C1000.
I haven't got a 6000 to test, anyone else ?
I do have a 6000 to test but I use that as my working pim/pda (600+ contacts!). I'm also busy on the wiki and you'll probably recall that I still haven't managed to use the 'ZDevil' alternative install on my 3200 yet, nor get sound working!! So any testing on my 6000 is likely to be some fairly distant time in the future
However, am I right in thinking that a large SD card is needed? Would a 4GB one be ok? The first step is to install angstrom: is that correct? Then, install altboot and with an SD card I've prepared earlier, I take a relaxed belly-flop into Titchy?
With an angstrom installation in the mix I think I'll wait for the promised detailed installation instructions.
Cheers
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To refer back to an earlier discussion, ZDevi'ls 10-step method did NOt work using the A-Data 16G cf. Looks like the same deal--kernel can't Id the card and panics
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Sorry to hear that...
But, adf, I am really curious to know one thing: Can you verify if you can run Angstrom off the A-Data CF? If yes then it should be a Debian issue; if not, then it would be an Angstrom kernel issue (because we are using the Angstrom kernel to run Debian).
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Sorry to hear that...
But, adf, I am really curious to know one thing: Can you verify if you can run Angstrom off the A-Data CF? If yes then it should be a Debian issue; if not, then it would be an Angstrom kernel issue (because we are using the Angstrom kernel to run Debian).
I would guess not-- will check soon.
I was using the 2.6.17-- do you think a newer kernel would fare better?
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If that's an Angstrom issue, then you may want to ask in the Angstrom mailing list, because the Angstrom dev don't like their users asking questions in this forum ...
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Angstrom dev don't like their users asking questions in this forum
Where did you get an idea like that?
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If that's an Angstrom issue, then you may want to ask in the Angstrom mailing list, because the Angstrom dev don't like their users asking questions in this forum ...
Yeah, I really don't think I'll get much enthusiasm for "I'm using non-stadard hardware to run 'NOT YOUR OS,' but would like to check on some kernel tweaks to make my life easier..." I think I see something 2.4 based in my near future
ANd as of my last (some time ago, really) attempt to make OE believe that my 3100 was a 1000 and use the sd card...well..it wasn't happening. If it is know that the SD method can be used by a 3x00, that might be workable. I would guess not, though
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Sorry to hear that...
But, adf, I am really curious to know one thing: Can you verify if you can run Angstrom off the A-Data CF? If yes then it should be a Debian issue; if not, then it would be an Angstrom kernel issue (because we are using the Angstrom kernel to run Debian).
I would guess not-- will check soon.
I was using the 2.6.17-- do you think a newer kernel would fare better?
adf - If you want to know where to look for adding your card's MANFID into the kernel, see Marcin's patch for ide-cs submitted last year:
http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0609.3/0393.html (http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0609.3/0393.html)
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If that's an Angstrom issue, then you may want to ask in the Angstrom mailing list, because the Angstrom dev don't like their users asking questions in this forum ...
Yeah, I really don't think I'll get much enthusiasm for "I'm using non-stadard hardware to run 'NOT YOUR OS,' but would like to check on some kernel tweaks to make my life easier..." I think I see something 2.4 based in my near future
ANd as of my last (some time ago, really) attempt to make OE believe that my 3100 was a 1000 and use the sd card...well..it wasn't happening. If it is know that the SD method can be used by a 3x00, that might be workable. I would guess not, though
It not all Angstrom developers, just one of them, notably the most noisy and pushy one and he just does not like THIS forum. He never complains on the other forums when people asks questions about Angstrom or any of his babies...
As for c1000 vs c3x00, they treat akita differently than the other c3x00 which is different from all the other distros which treat c3000 differently! until very recently for example, the pxa overlay support was only available for the spitz kernel, but not akita even though both have the same internal display hardware... booting off the SD requires the sd module stuff to be compiled into the kernel and not as a separate module. in spitz, it is a separate module, but in akita, some kernels had it compiled into the kernel to allow it to boot from the SD.
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some problem with update and wifi (rmmod hostap && rmmod hostap_cs) but all run well.
I have translate http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing)
in italian : Debian-Zaurus.pdf (http://www5.autistici.org/c0de/stuff/Debian-Zaurus.pdf)
edit: ..i try with debian+kde
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Multi-language input method, such as SCIM, UIM and GCIN, all work smoothly. I can enter CJK characters freely in most apps, including GTK and QT apps, and even in the terminal (using Nano, etc). IIRC they are all broken in the new versions of pdaX, and are not easy to fix and build.
what did you need to do to get those to work? is there anything that'll recognise hand-written characters like the qpe crim does?
thanks!
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Just tried Titchy install on my new 3200....
Finally managed to get ethernet network connection working I think...
Now, I'm having problem with hard drive part of install....
When it does the step 'Detect Disks and other Hardware' it gives me a screen that says
No disks detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your disk drive , you can select it from the list.
Then it has a big list to choose from.... besides many specific items, it includes:
- Continue without disk
- Generic
- None of the above
I've tried using each of the above, but each time I get more error messages later, regarding install to unclean disk, if I say go ahead anyway, it fails, and I if I say No, it takes me back to installer...
In installer screen, I don't get the choice under Detect Disks to Format Drive, etc....
Any suggestions before I give up on Titchy????
Thanks!
Mark
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Does your "new" 3200 come with the factory microdrive or a replacement CF (which brand)?
This is how I installed Titchy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/...157702606/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/sets/72157602157702606/show/) (click on the slides for more explanation).
Or you can try out the faster EABI: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25029 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25029) (first post)
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Does your "new" 3200 come with the factory microdrive or a replacement CF (which brand)?
This is how I installed Titchy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/...157702606/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50659119@N00/sets/72157602157702606/show/) (click on the slides for more explanation).
Or you can try out the faster EABI: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25029 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25029) (first post)
Thanks for your help, ZDevil...
I assume that it came with factory microdrive as I haven't changed drive...
Meanwhile, I decided to try the alternative install "The "10-Step-Self-Help Guide to Enjoying a Popular Penguin" in this post using the other files listed there....
Downloaded those files and renamed them as instructed and put them on my 1GB SD card
Did Step B 'Prepare the Disk'
Then did Step 2 & 3, Flashing....
Here's what happens:
Zaurus SD Updater.....
Finish!
Rebooting....
*Then lots of text.....
*Then the last few lines are:
VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem)
Freeing init memory: 80k
Warning: unable to open an initial console
Kernel panic - not syncing: Try passing init=option to kernel
Now what?????
Or should I just give up and try 'the faster EABI' you mention????
Thanks!
Mark
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That ten step guide is obelete. Actually the easiest way is to flash an EABI kernel (yonggun/poky/angstrom) using Sharp bootloader (so no uboot) and then install the rootfs tarball.
Instead of using the kernel(s) as described in that post, use this newer one:
http://yonggun.tistory.com/66 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/66) (zImage.bin.hda1, rename to zImage.bin and flash in the [OK] flash menu.)
(will update that post soon...)
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That ten step guide is obelete. Actually the easiest way is to flash an EABI kernel (yonggun/poky/angstrom) using Sharp bootloader (so no uboot) and then install the rootfs tarball.
Instead of using the kernel(s) as described in that post, use this newer one:
http://yonggun.tistory.com/66 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/66) (zImage.bin.hda1, rename to zImage.bin and flash in the [OK] flash menu.)
(will update that post soon...)
Thanks for your help, ZDevil....will try what you suggest....already did the HD format though from the instructions...hope that's OK.....
Will be great if you can update that post as you mention to us noobs....
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That ten step guide is obelete. Actually the easiest way is to flash an EABI kernel (yonggun/poky/angstrom) using Sharp bootloader (so no uboot) and then install the rootfs tarball.
Instead of using the kernel(s) as described in that post, use this newer one:
http://yonggun.tistory.com/66 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/66) (zImage.bin.hda1, rename to zImage.bin and flash in the [OK] flash menu.)
(will update that post soon...)
In the meantime, tried to flash with yonggun kernel; 'zImage.bin.hda1' renamed to zImage.bin....but still get same error message as I noted in earlier post:
Warning: unable to open initial console.
kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. Try passing init=option to kernel.
So, wondering doe this have anything to do with:
A) doing Step 1 of 10 Step install instructions on my internal microdrive; partitioned into 2 partitions. Did this per Step B Preparing the Disk of the Alternative Install approach described earlier in this thread...
and/or
having the right files on my SD card?
I have the kernel file 'zImage.bin' as described above and the 'updater.sh' file from the Titchy install files..
Do I need to reset my Z back to original factory condition???
Appreciate any and all help!!! I'm stuck now....
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Try these:
#1 Use the updater.sh from Angstrom to flash the kernel again: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=at...ost&id=5291 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=5291)
#2 If it's the same initial console error, try rebooting once; if no luck, do this:
boot into the linux emergency mode ([D+B] mode)
cd /mnt/cf/dev
MAKEDEV console
reboot
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Try these:
#1 Use the updater.sh from Angstrom to flash the kernel again: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=at...ost&id=5291 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=5291)
#2 If it's the same initial console error, try rebooting once; if no luck, do this:
boot into the linux emergency mode ([D+B] mode)
cd /mnt/cf/dev
MAKEDEV console
reboot
Thanks for your help.... I need it!!
Tried #1 and still same error....
Tried rebooting once and no luck...
Tried #2 and get the following error, have just shown 4 lines out of many similar lines, just number changes:
.....
mknod: vcs54-: operation not permitted
mknod: vcsa54-: operation not permitted
mknod: tty55-: operation not permitted
mknod: vcs55-: operation not permitted
.......
Any other suggestions??
THANKS!
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Did you mount the CF first (e.g. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf ) before MAKEDEV?
Some users have reported that booting may continue after waiting a while at the error...
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Did you mount the CF first (e.g. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf ) before MAKEDEV?
Thought it was mounted....
But just tried doing this again and doing mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf before MAKEDEV....still same error message....
Some users have reported that booting may continue after waiting a while at the error...
rebooted after getting error message above...get same error messages as before:
Warning: unable to open initial console.
kernel panic - not syncing: no init found. Try passing init=option to kernel.
I can wait awhile, but I thought when you get a kernel panic message you've crashed???
Also, just to be clear I'm trying to install kernel before install of rootfs tarball per alternate instructions....original instructions say to install tarball first....
Suggestions???
Thanks!
PS. Also, you don't think I need to reset my 3200 back to original factory state??
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Yep. You have the disk with the rootfs ready first (extract them to a CF card if you are using a ready made rootfs tarball) and then the kernel.
Returning to the factory state (NAND restore) is not such a big deal; i've done it over a few dozen times on my Zs...
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Yep. You have the disk with the rootfs ready first (extract them to a CF card if you are using a ready made rootfs tarball) and then the kernel.
OK, will try that....and I need to partition CF card first, right?
Returning to the factory state (NAND restore) is not such a big deal; i've done it over a few dozen times on my Zs...
Yes, I've done it before when I had a Z in the past...but haven't had a Z in a year until this week....my question though was whether or not you think I should restore my microdrive partitions to factory state before installing kernel?
One reason for asking this question is whether the fact that I repartition my microdrive to 2 partitions per the instructions is causing install problem?
Second reason for asking is whether it's necessary for install or after install condition?
Also, I'd like to have Debian running off of microdrive and not depent upon having SD or CF card inserted in Z...in other words can everything run offo of internal drive or does this Debian setup depend upon having a storage card inserted?
Thanks!
Mark
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Yes, I've done it before when I had a Z in the past...but haven't had a Z in a year until this week....my question though was whether or not you think I should restore my microdrive partitions to factory state before installing kernel?
Nope.
One reason for asking this question is whether the fact that I repartition my microdrive to 2 partitions per the instructions is causing install problem?
It's recommended (i.e. one big root partition and one swap partition), if you want Debian to run smoothly off the internal disk without any card. But things are fine as long as you put things right in Step 3 (editing /etc/fstab)
Second reason for asking is whether it's necessary for install or after install condition?
Dun get it.
Also, I'd like to have Debian running off of microdrive and not depent upon having SD or CF card inserted in Z...in other words can everything run offo of internal drive or does this Debian setup depend upon having a storage card inserted?
Nope.
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Second reason for asking is whether it's necessary for install or after install condition?
Dun get it.
I just wanted to clarify whether or not you are required to repartition the internal drive if you want to run Debian off of it....
Also, I'd like to have Debian running off of microdrive and not depend upon having SD or CF card inserted in Z...in other words can everything run off of internal drive or does this Debian setup depend upon having a storage card inserted?
Nope.
Not clear....do you mean that you can run off of internal drive only or do you need a card even if you installed Debian to internal drive???
Thanks again for all your help.
Mark
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OK, when all else fails, start over fresh.....
Got new 512MB SD card....
Redownloaded Titchy files....
Reformatted HD...
Titchy installer works much better now....only issue seems to be with connecting to mirror step....
Have tried it with ethernet card and now I'm trying with WiFi card....
In the console window, I see that it's trying to connect with debian mirrors, does DEBUG wget for each; etch, unstable, testing, etc...
But in installer I just see 0% for progress.....
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
mark
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Do you get to set your DNS stuff during setup? Setting my DNS to 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 seems to help my name resolution.
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Do you get to set your DNS stuff during setup? Setting my DNS to 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 seems to help my name resolution.
If I remember correctly, there is a way to go to console and manually install packages ?
During my Titchy install I manually installed wireless tools and the needed lib as well as dhcpcd cause I don't have fixed ip-s.
Then I coennected through command line (the installer can't use dhcp), after that the install process was just fine.
I guess I used the netinstall iso to be able to do this. But even then the installer could not use dhcp, using it from command line was fine.
Chero
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Do you get to set your DNS stuff during setup? Setting my DNS to 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 seems to help my name resolution.
Yes, Capn, did that... I got all my network info from a page that I printed out from my DSL Modem/Ethernet/WiFi Router....
The only thing is that there's the IP address (66.245.8.115) shown under the heading Connection Information (DSL modem?). Under that it has the Default Gateway number and the DNS numbers.
Then there's another set of numbers under the heading Local Network (192.168.1.1) and then under that it says DHCP range (192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254).
So, I entered the first numbers I listed above....should I use the local network numbers?
Also, is it better to use my Socket ethernet card or use my Ambicom wifi card or makes no difference?
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Do you get to set your DNS stuff during setup? Setting my DNS to 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 seems to help my name resolution.
Yes, Capn, did that... I got all my network info from a page that I printed out from my DSL Modem/Ethernet/WiFi Router....
The only thing is that there's the IP address (66.245.8.115) shown under the heading Connection Information (DSL modem?). Under that it has the Default Gateway number and the DNS numbers.
Then there's another set of numbers under the heading Local Network (192.168.1.1) and then under that it says DHCP range (192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254).
So, I entered the first numbers I listed above....should I use the local network numbers?
Also, is it better to use my Socket ethernet card or use my Ambicom wifi card or makes no difference?
In answer to one of your previous questions: you only need the SD card and files for the install until you have completed the steps on the TitchyLinux site.
As regards the networking: I have installed using my socket ethernet card, my usb ethernet stick and with my wifi cards. All worked satisfactorily. However, I think it is better to install using Wifi because I use wifi more than the other options in day to day use. So installing with wifi left my networking set up for daily use without having to do much editing of config files.
With regard to the requested/needed IPaddress during installation: You need to pick an unused address from the 192.168.1.2 ... 192.168.1.254 range. Then you only need to worry about correct typing of your WEP key. You don't need to worry about setting up DNS, the default settings should just work.
Tips: one of the first things I do before trying to get the gui going is to install dh3client and openssh-server. Later on I edit the ifaces file so that the Z can use dhcp. The openssh-server is very useful for logging in to a terminal session on the Z. If, as you will, your gui system plays upit is much easier to sort the problems from SSH. Trust me on this!!!
You should also set the date and time and use hwclock to set the hardware clock at an early stage. Otherwise you will be frustrated and annoyed by having to change your password at login time: this makes the gui unusable.
This thread answers most of the problems of installing TitchyLinux. If you read my posts in it I think you'll find every possible mistake it is possible to make!
Have a good time with your new Z and the Titcylinux variant of Debian. Stay well away from the armel/Eabi version untilyou are fluent in the Titchy/Oabi version that you are trying. You'll see from my sig that I have retreated back to TitchyLinux.
Cheers
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If I remember correctly, there is a way to go to console and manually install packages ?
During my Titchy install I manually installed wireless tools and the needed lib as well as dhcpcd cause I don't have fixed ip-s.
Then I coennected through command line (the installer can't use dhcp), after that the install process was just fine.
I guess I used the netinstall iso to be able to do this. But even then the installer could not use dhcp, using it from command line was fine.
Chero
Yes, Chero, you can get to console (alt + right arrow keys)....
Trying again now, using some of the Local Network numbers in my previous post along with others from the Connection Info section...
Yep, that did it!!!!!!
Downloaded files now on my Z from mirror!
Install completed OK, rebooted....
But no having problem logging in....
I type in login name and then password. but then it says I have to change password and asks for my (current) UNIX password. What do I use for that?
Have tried different passwords, but each time get failure message....
Any suggestions????
Thanks,
Mark
Thanks
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In answer to one of your previous questions: you only need the SD card and files for the install until you have completed the steps on the TitchyLinux site.
As regards the networking: I have installed using my socket ethernet card, my usb ethernet stick and with my wifi cards. All worked satisfactorily. However, I think it is better to install using Wifi because I use wifi more than the other options in day to day use. So installing with wifi left my networking set up for daily use without having to do much editing of config files.
With regard to the requested/needed IPaddress during installation: You need to pick an unused address from the 192.168.1.2 ... 192.168.1.254 range. Then you only need to worry about correct typing of your WEP key. You don't need to worry about setting up DNS, the default settings should just work.
Tips: one of the first things I do before trying to get the gui going is to install dh3client and openssh-server. Later on I edit the ifaces file so that the Z can use dhcp. The openssh-server is very useful for logging in to a terminal session on the Z. If, as you will, your gui system plays upit is much easier to sort the problems from SSH. Trust me on this!!!
You should also set the date and time and use hwclock to set the hardware clock at an early stage. Otherwise you will be frustrated and annoyed by having to change your password at login time: this makes the gui unusable.
This thread answers most of the problems of installing TitchyLinux. If you read my posts in it I think you'll find every possible mistake it is possible to make!
Have a good time with your new Z and the Titcylinux variant of Debian. Stay well away from the armel/Eabi version untilyou are fluent in the Titchy/Oabi version that you are trying. You'll see from my sig that I have retreated back to TitchyLinux.
Cheers
Wow, thanks for your input, tux. This is great, just wish I had read it before my post a minute ago....
Now, I have login problem you refer to....how can I fix that now???
UPDATE: Managed to finally login!!!
But now, having problem getting wifi card running again...did the steps that Titchy instructions have for doing this but so far no go....in ifconfig -a, just see lo, not eth0, etc....
Any suggestions as to getting wifi card running OK again???
UPDATE 2: Got wifi card running again and have just downloaded files to setup desktop...it's unpacking them know....
**** UPDATE 3 ****
Having problems with XDM and login....have tried and tried., but no go...help!
*** UPDATE 4 ****
Finally got logged in and to Titchy Desktop! WooHoo!!!!!!
Hmm.. .found this page should help....
OESF Thread (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24827&hl=XDM&st=15)
Thanks,
Mark
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Hi,
please can anyone give a quick summary of the state of the art of Debian on the C3x00 devices?
What kernel version, what browser(s), what email clients are working, whether it supports hostap on prism, usb master & slave, bluetooth features, and if suspend/resume work reliably?!
I'm looking for a new distro now I've had a play with Android and not sure about returning to Angstrom; so I'd like to consider dual-booting Cacko with Debian.
thanks very much
Paul
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Current state: 2 flavors: OABI (arm) and EABI (armel)
Both work. The OABI version suffers a bit from slower speed, and sound output is an issue. The EABI version runs faster and is the way to go (debian official support is now migrating from arm to armel). Video playback on the Z has yet to be solved, but it is a kernel issue (like bvdd support is lacking in the current 2.6.xx kernels).
Kernel choices: yonggun, angstrom, poky. All reported to be working!
General remark on running debian on the Z (C3x00): Runs just great on the internal disk. Full repos and documentations, and standard official support & development: priceless.
Good browsers: dillo-18n, icehamster (mod minimo), kazekahaze, epiphany. (Iceweasel is still underway)
Email clients: Sylpheed (& friends) and Thunderbird should be the best. Evolution installs and runs, but too much (size, speed, and also display size).
Hostap: the default driver
USB: host -- works great (boosting power output needs a tweak); client -- not tested yet (I use wifi all the time)
Bluetooth: will test soon (just got both a Socket bluetooth CF and a super mini USB bluetooth dongle). There are reports of success here.
Suspend/resume: just works. Suspend takes ~2 seconds, resume ~ 1 sec. not bad.
I'm looking for a new distro now I've had a play with Android and not sure about returning to Angstrom; so I'd like to consider dual-booting Cacko with Debian.
Same here. Really looking forward to new yonggun kernels support booting from /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4! Then I will revert the NAND space back to full Cacko and dualboot with kexec.
Perhaps you may try to install an EABI rootfs on a SD and see how it fares. It's a bit slower than running on a fast CF but it's still big fun.
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Video playback on the Z has yet to be solved, but it is a kernel issue (like bvdd support is lacking in the current 2.6.xx kernels).
I think pxa overlay in 2.6.x kernel functions as bvdd in 2.4.xx kernel. Am I wrong?
I found a link: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/an...rch/001625.html (http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/2008-March/001625.html)
"No - the pxa driver does the same as the bvdd driver - *ALL* the bvdd driver
did was let you change the hardware resolution (ie get hardware 240x320), and
make use of the YV12 overlay.
-vo pxa -vm will do *both* these things."
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thanks very much for that update... gonna be busy doing tax return for the Inland Robbery for a few days and then I'll give Debian a go.
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Some more questions:
Which Windows Managers are useful?
Is there any app for handwriting?
What about pim? (Which one and) How do they work?
It's possible to install Debian Eabi, on a SD or internal Microdrive, from the regular Sharp Rom on 3200?
Anybody knows How is the Debian performance compared to the OpenBSD Zaurus distribution?
Thanks in advance!
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Hard to tell... because what you are asking is basically question about apps in Debian.
WM: Any lightweight WM will run just fine. I am so used to IceWM and now customizing it with Meanie's scripts and wallpaper rotation solution.
PIM: Quite a few to choose from, all depending on your needs. I've switched from Planner mode to Org-mode in emacs (cvs). Works great. Truly platform independent and form free. Here are some options (from simple to heavy): calcurse, gpe-pim, ejourn (in the custom feed/post), jpilot, gnome-pilot, emacs (planner, org), kdepim, planner, etc. There are also quite a few outliners for all purposes, like tuxcards, notecase, zim, etc.
Handwriting: there is a program called "cellwriter" (for handwriting recognition). Haven't tried yet. For quick notetaking using the stylus, xournal is a very nice choice.
Dualbooting Cacko/Sharp rom & Debian: that's *possible* with the right kernel the can boot off /dev/hda3 or /dev/hda4 (i am also looking forward to this!)
Compared to OpenBSD: both are standard and complete full-blown distros with official support. OpenBSD is generally slower, but is still rock solid and very good for networking and security work. It will become very interesting if OpenBSD/Zaurus has full SD write support. We can then exploit the potential of the Z to its fullest extent by running Cacko (on NAND), Debian (on internal disk) and OpenBSD (on SD)!
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Got Titchy running OK overall on my 3200 now...
Updated last night to Lenny....overall seems to be working OK....
However, I have one issue that's a carryover from Etch and one new issue in Lenny that I hope someone can please help with....
1) In terminal when I install something with apt-get, I get the locale error message:
per: warning: Setting locale failed. Please check your locale settings.
Falling back to standard locale ("C").
Can't set LC_ALL to default locale
Language = unset
LC_ALL = unset
How to fix this? I did select locale (English) during original install with Etch...
2) Apt-get was working OK after upgrade to Lenny and installed one or two apps, but now when I try it, I get error messages:
Setting up dpkg (1.14.16.6)....
chown: changing ownership of `!\353\05': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing dpkg (--configure):
Subprocess post-installation script return error exit status 1
Errors encountered while processing dpkg
E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1)
Any suggestions about this error???
Thanks!
Mark
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I. Locale setting:
#1 Run "apt-get install locales"
#2 Make sure the locale settings are the same in /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale
nano /etc/environment
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8nano /etc/default/locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8#3 Reset locale
nano /etc/locale.gen
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8#4 Run "locale-gen"
II. dpkg installation
Try downloading a copy of the dpkg package and install it locally (dpkg -i PACKAGE.DEB)
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I. Locale setting:
#1 Run "apt-get install locales"
#2 Make sure the locale settings are the same in /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale
nano /etc/environment
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8nano /etc/default/locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE="en_US:en"
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8#3 Reset locale
nano /etc/locale.gen
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8#4 Run "locale-gen"
II. dpkg installation
Try downloading a copy of the dpkg package and install it locally (dpkg -i PACKAGE.DEB)
THANKS for your help, ZDevil!
Managed to do your instructions for the locales...think that's OK now...
However, having problem connecting to internet again as well as other error messages now....
eth0: invalid skb->cb magic (0x00000000) expected (0xf00a36a2)
wlan0_rename: no IPv6 routers present
eth0: invalid skb->cb magic (0x00000000) expected (0xf00a36a2)
eth0: invalid skb->cb magic (0x00000000) expected (0xf00a36a2)
eth0: LinkStatus=2 (disconnected0
eth0: LinkStatus: BSSID=00:12:0e:7c:6e:98
eth0: LinkStatus=1 (connected)
ADDRCONF (NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
Then it gets even worse now...this is what happens no matter what command I type in:
#ifconfig -a
bash: /sbin/ifconfig: No such file or directory
Any suggestions now???
Did I make a big mistake 'upgrading to Lenny' ????
Thanks!
Mark
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Would you try the command lsmod and see if you have two sets of wifi card modules loading? If you do, try adding one set of modules to your blacklist file. Reboot and see what happens. HTH
You might trawl through some of the wifi/networking threads in this section: the answer might be there in detail.
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Hi Zdevil, thanks for your answer and explanations
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I actually have Sharp on NAND, with home on hdd5, and OpenBSD in hdd3.
I'll keep reading the news in order to install, whenever possible, Debian on SD first.
I haven't much time now, and I don't want to risk my accurate whole system.
So, I'll try to stay tuned.
Thanks for all your efforts in your search for the right solution.
Greets.
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Sorry for getting off-topic, but you are the right person to ask here
How do you set up /home of Sharp ROM (just symlinking)?
Does OpenBSD have SD write support now? A few ago I tried to set up OpenBSD 4.3 (snapshot) on SD but the game was stopped by I/O error when trying to repartition the SD. And the OBSD installer magically (and silently) removed the journal in Debian's partition and as a result Debian refused to boot. I had to get into the [D+B] mode and smuggled a tune2fs there to create journaling on Debian's partition again.
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Would you try the command lsmod and see if you have two sets of wifi card modules loading? If you do, try adding one set of modules to your blacklist file. Reboot and see what happens. HTH
You might trawl through some of the wifi/networking threads in this section: the answer might be there in detail.
Thanks for your help, Tux....but I finally gave up on this install and now I'm trying to install eabi....
But I think I know what I did wrong... I did cardctl eject and now I realize that this is a very bad thing to do as it not only ejects card that is inserted in CF slot, but it also 'ejects' the internal HD, which is why I got the error messages when I tried to do a command at the prompt....
But if I can't get eabi installed, then I'll do a fresh Titchy install as it was working OK, before I upgraded to Lenny....
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Yes, be very careful when using "cardctl/pccardctl eject"! If you just run this command without specifying the slot then BOTH the wifi card AND the internal disk will be ejected!
But actually it doesn't do any serious damage, except that during the next reboot the system will complain about /dev/hda1 not being unmounted properly and force to run fsck to check disk integrity, which may fail at some point and you need to enter the root password and run "fsck" without any option manually to fix the situation (answer "y" to the questions during the checking).
By default, the internal disk is in slot 0 and and the wifi card is in slot 1.
To use it properly and to eject the wifi card safely:
In titchy:
cardctl eject 1
In EABI:
pccardctl eject 1
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@Zdevil: I've just moved and symlink some home and /home/QtPalmtop directories, and also linked in hd the /hdx/opt/QtPalmtop and /hdx/opt/Qtopia, which are created when installing some applications, to /hdx/home/QtPalmtop.
In this way I free some memory, and then I use Meanies xipk way that relinks almost everything automatically. The system goes well, but some few apps complains after being installed with xipk.
I haven't tried to install OpenBSD on SD, I don't know if it works. And now, after having troubles with partition table, I got "closed"_BSD. :-)
Greets
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Actually installing Debian can be as easy as installing Cacko, pdaXrom (non-uboot versions) and Angstrom.
There is an alternative way to install the base system without using network connection (up to step 5).
... snip ...
#5 Installation will complete itself and reboot the machine. Debian is ready to go! (default root login: root; root password: kuroadmin)
(From now on you will need network connection to update and upgrade the system)
#6 Set up your network profile in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, blacklist hostap if you are using Ambicom WL1100C (for details see this post: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=fi...&pid=168621 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=168621) ).
You can then do the postinstallation steps as descibed in "After installation" in the titchy linux wiki: http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing (http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux/Installing)
Dear Mr. ZDevil,
I am not a Linux expert. I do not have broadband. I have - an occasionally crackly - 36 Kbytes/sec Internet phone connection in the middle of the North York Moors (England). Last month I bought (on Ebay) a 2nd-hand Zaurus SL-C3200 with the original Sharp distro, modified for English by FigLabs. The Zaurus is a replacement for my ageing 12-year-old Psion Revo. After years with the trusty monochrome Revo, the quality of the Sharp OS distribution was a little... disappointing. So instead, I want to flash some version of Debian Linux onto my Zaurus. Titchy Linux seemed the most easily understandable and straightforward instructions, but alas, they require a network connection to finish the installation.
What must I do to install a Debian GNU/Linux system all from files preloaded on a flash card?
Would you kindly spell out the necessary steps and requirements, please?
With kind regards,
Alexander Anderson
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Hi, I installed yonggun's "andromeda.zip' Debian rootfs on my Zaurus [SL-3000 with 4GB internal flash card instead of microdrive] just a few days ago.
Wow, only very few modifications were necessary to adapt it to (almost) all my needs. (mainly change locales and timezone, source /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh, chmod 1777 /tmp [to allow startx for a non-root user], install kdepimpi [the only reason to stick to Openzaurus-Opie for such a long time], very few more software modifications)
But now I still have the problem that I do not get any "stand-alone" network connections:
(1.) Although my D-Link WiFi-Card seems to work [hostap_cs module loaded, device wifi0 set up], it fails to set up a WPA-encrypted connection (using the /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf that have always made it work without problems on OpenZaurus).
(2.) My Ethernet card (Billionton CF 10/100) does not work. This seems to be a rather easy one, as it works fine on the Angstrom-distro with the axnet_cs kernel module.
On Angstrom, I was able to (cross-)compile the kernel (using bitbake on a desktop PC) *with* axnet_cs module. But I was *not* able to flash such an Angstrom-kernel for being used with Debian EABI/armel [did not find its root device after flashing].
So, currently I am using the "2.6.24.4-yonggun" kernel that was included in the downloaded "andromeda.zip". But I wonder whether it is possible to either get the sources for it from somewhere (to just compile the needed module(s)), or to download such "extra-modules" already compiled from somewhere...?
Thanks for an idea!
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Hi all,
I finished the Install of Debian on my 3200 last night. Very impressive, that makes the Zaurus really usefull. So first thanks to the developer as well as for all the info in this post. Here a few words about my Installation:
Target: Zaurus CL-3200 / no Mods / DLink Prism2 CF WiFi Card
SD-Card: Transcend 150x 4GB card, rerofmatted to 640MB and a big empty space.
Debian Image: Debian 4.0 Etch Netinstall
Installation:
Installing the bootloader and the installer wasn´t a problem at all. They began with the installer itself. The biggest problems caused the SD Driver. I/O Errors happened all the time. But it worked fine when I unmounted the SD, removed it, then plugged it in again and remounted it. I had to do this about five times or so before I was able to run the installation smoothly. The Partitioner asked me which type of table it should use, i chose msdos.
The message about the identity problems came as well, but disappeared when I installed the mirror-choose. I chose a good mirror and the rest just happened like on a PC. Warnings about the missing kernel and bootloader where easy to ignore.
Post Installation:
The clock was set to 0 (Unix Time), I had to chose a new password and hat to set the network up again. One of the big problems was the installation of the zaurus-hardware-support package. I had to load the module snd-pxa2xx-ac97 to avoid error messages about missing devices during the installation. After that it was perfect. I installed the fullscale titchy package, replaced xdm with gdm and everything works fine so far.
Problems:
In battery mode the display occasionly starts flickering. Not too serious but annoying. Iceweasel of course takes an awfull lot of time to load but runs smooth after loading it. I think about replacing it with epiphany. Should be a bit faster. Dillo works usually but crashes on some occasions. Sylpheed works great. Didn´t make it GPG ready yet, but will follow.
A funny thing is that I can´t ping the zaurus until I ping the other side from the zaurus. I don´t know why that is, but its annoying. I like to do administrativ stuff via ssh, but the connections break of after about ten to twenty minutes.
The SD driver seems to have a problem. I tried to format my 4GB SD with ext2, but it never finished, in fact the whole zaurus had to be rebooted.
Ah and the touchscreen. It works, but quite often not very accurate. It happens that the curser flickers arround like crazy while the stylus is standing still or moves slowly.
Jabber Client:
I removed Gaim and installed mcabber with SSL and GPG support. Works great and fast, even with GPG encryption. I had to compile it myself to get the latest version and GPG support. For that I installed gcc, g++, libssl-dev, libgnutls-dev, libgpgme11-dev, libgpgme6, openssl, make and bison. I´m not sure if all of them are necessary but that worked fine. Anyone who does only need a jabber client will do fine with mcabber. Very lightweighted.
Emacs:
I find nano and vim okay but very annoying because I´m so used to emacs. I removed vim and nano to replace it with emacs21-nox. That needs 40 Megs of my valuable space but works amazingly fast on the zaurus. I think I´ll extend it for the usage of mail, news and so on.
Conclusion and further steps:
YES I AM HAPPY
A full scale Debian is available on my Zaurus, I´m really hapy about that. All the little bugs are a bit annoying but the whole thing is acceptable. I plan to replace some apps with text based equivalents. The mail program for exampe is just in my way as it is. I need a fast, lightweight and smallscreen friendly client. mutt or emacs would do fine. I think I´ll go through all this to set up a little mail system on the zaurus. Encrypted instant messaging works fine already, next is email, but that depends on the final client. I´m surprides by the speed gpg works on the Zaurus. Could be worse!
I´ll report about further experients as soon as I finished them.
cu
xeon
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This sounds just the sort of thing I'm looking for, so went to the link to have a look and the server doesn't respond
Is the site still available? Does anyone know if it's gone for good or will it be back?
Thanks,
Bon