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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Debian => Topic started by: tux on September 25, 2007, 01:13:35 pm
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I thought we needed to have a thread on sound and sound apps for TitchyLinux.
The soundhack that ZDevil mentions is contained in the zaurus-hardware-support.deb that is included in the installation file. I still haven't heard so much as a beep from the Z.
The 'titchy'package includes gmplayer, (Is this a front-end for mplayer?), and it runs but I couldn't persuade it to load some mp3 files I loaded onto the SD card.
ZDevil suggested installing alsa and aumix. alsa doesn't appear to alter the no sound situation for me.
aumix appears to run and to alter settings. Still no sound.
I did use the suggestions from Neil in the N&R site comment section. No luck.
I installed mplayer myself, it runs from the command line. No success with sound.
I'm going to remove mplayer, alsa ans aumix and gmplayer.
I'll install xmms and see what happens.
I hope some successful experimentation is happening out there!
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I know that some people (ZDevil), have had some success with sound under TitchyLinux. I'm not one of them. I'm going to spend a little bit of time trying to use the soundhack mentioned in Neil's tips and hope I can make some progress. ZDevil said he installed alsa and various tools, I'll experiment a bit. I didpersuade mplayer to install and got it to show, extremely slowly, frames from a video. There was no sound though.
Are we looking at trying to compile bvdd and mplayer with akty's patches/fixes for a definite multimedia capability under Titchy?
Please respond with any working sound hacks. I'll hope to get back soon with some positive results.
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How about udev?
Don't get me wrong here. Multimedia uses like playing music and videos are still crippled with the current Angstrom kernel and Debian.
But i seldom use my Z for these purposes so i simply tend not to think of them...
But sound does come out well in many games. I just beated powermanga a few days ago on my 3200 running Debian with sound. My homemade Sangband build also plays background tunes very well.
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How about udev?
Don't get me wrong here. Multimedia uses like playing music and videos are still crippled with the current Angstrom kernel and Debian.
But sound does come out well in many games. I just beated powermanga a few days ago on my 3200 running Debian with sound. My homemade Sangband build also plays background tunes very well.
Just had some small success using alsa-base, the soundhack and xmms. Just installing aumix and will try your settings.
udev? As Manuel, in Fawlty towers, would say.. Que?
But I'll check my impression that it is present!
I suspect someone is going to have to do some compiling and patching for reasonable multimedia. FBreader solves my reading-addiction quite well though!
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
udev is present...
cheers
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One thing many apps complain about is missing /dev/sequencer . Seems to be kernel related. Any hint?
open /dev/sequencer: No such device
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
you didn't try the Z with the sound fixes on 2.4.20, though, did you? it is a big improvement.
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
you didn't try the Z with the sound fixes on 2.4.20, though, did you? it is a big improvement.
Oh, what is that all about?
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
you didn't try the Z with the sound fixes on 2.4.20, though, did you? it is a big improvement.
Oh, what is that all about?
I've managed to install 2.6.22 and the appropriate modules from the file attached in the 2.6.22 thread. I'm now getting intermittent splashes of quit loud music. Less than .5 of a second I'd say. Any suggestions. I should say this is attempting to use xmms.
I suppose I should try mplayer and see what messages that gives me? I suppose I ought to try running xmms from the terminal to see what error messages come out there.?
I'm intrigued by adf's cryptic comment though? Which modules?... where?
Cheers
If this lull in the spam continues I might even get time to check out Titchy on the 6000? No I don't think so, I don't think it would even be a sensible use of time to try and get it running on my c860. There's too much to do with the 3200 version! Gutsy Gibbon comes out next week also....
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Well, of course it would be great if there is a solution to the sound issue.
But I simply don't use my Z for music. My SE w800i phone (and many more models out there) simply beats the Z hands down in music playback quality.
And perhaps my eyes are aging I never enjoy watching movies on such a tiny screen. Perhaps it's only me.
you didn't try the Z with the sound fixes on 2.4.20, though, did you? it is a big improvement.
Oh, what is that all about?
I've managed to install 2.6.22 and the appropriate modules from the file attached in the 2.6.22 thread. I'm now getting intermittent splashes of quit loud music. Less than .5 of a second I'd say. Any suggestions. I should say this is attempting to use xmms.
I suppose I should try mplayer and see what messages that gives me? I suppose I ought to try running xmms from the terminal to see what error messages come out there.?
I'm intrigued by adf's cryptic comment though? Which modules?... where?
Cheers
If this lull in the spam continues I might even get time to check out Titchy on the 6000? No I don't think so, I don't think it would even be a sensible use of time to try and get it running on my c860. There's too much to do with the 3200 version! Gutsy Gibbon comes out next week also....
surely you read the "what's with the sound" thread and looked at evil jazz's posts?
the thread is [a href=\'index.php?showtopic=0\']here[/a]
the basic idea is covered by these snippets:
apparently there is no music player with an acceptable working equ AFAIK.
Which is kind of strange 'cos it seems that our Z's sound chips(wolfson WM8750) have basic equ capabilities which can be seen on this link:
http://staging.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8750/ (http://staging.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8750/)
I also remember reading somewhere that our Z's have the same DAC as ipod's do, can anyone confirm/negate that?
in 2.4, we have a mixer with 3d, etc. it is really nice.
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adf said:
surely you read the "what's with the sound" thread and looked at evil jazz's posts?
the thread is [a href=\'index.php?showtopic=0\']here[/a]
the basic idea is covered by these snippets:
apparently there is no music player with an acceptable working equ AFAIK.
Which is kind of strange 'cos it seems that our Z's sound chips(wolfson WM8750) have basic equ capabilities which can be seen on this link:
http://staging.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8750/ (http://staging.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8750/)
I also remember reading somewhere that our Z's have the same DAC as ipod's do, can anyone confirm/negate that?
in 2.4, we have a mixer with 3d, etc. it is really nice.[/i]
About 5 minutes after posting actually! Sods law!
Thanks for the reply and for the other links. They look interesting. I'm just installing mplayer. If it gives me any joy I'll remove it and try compiling it. Or maybe even the vlc. Why? Basically as exercises in compiling. Then, I suppose I'd better start looking at the possibility of patching against the 2.6 kernels? I bet someone beats me to the punch there!
Have you got anywhere with Titchy yet? The dual boot method looks like it would be a possibility for you? But i suppopse you'd have more time and effort invested in the working setup you have? I fully intend to shove a SanDisk 16 GB card in, time permitting.
Cheers, thanks again!
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I saw you were reading the sound threads when I was getting the links ;P
I'm sticking with pdaxii13 for now. All my hardware works (no BT GPRS probs), sound and video are terrific.
I'd like to use debian-- having the debian experience on my Z would be awesome. But, as I read the threads, it sounds like titchy isn't quite stable and working, though it is the coolest thing to come around in while. If I crash my pdaxii system I'll give the alternate means of using titchy a whirl--it would be good to know if this card worked (though if sd is working it seems likelier, and I could always install to sd and have 16 G for data)
Anyway, for now I'm watching the quick development and tweaking of titchy, and using pdaxii13.
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I'm not really sure what you guys are trying to do....
but pdaXrom with 2.6 era kernels had full sound equalizer support
quite a long while before pdaXii13 did - so it must be possible with newer kernels
(if configured properly)
/dev/sequencer is a little more tricky, since Zaurii don't have any FM sound hardware
or anything directly supporting MIDI.
I don't think any stock kernels (for OE/angstrom/pdaXrom) have this enabled and working,
but you CAN build an ALSA kernel with timidity softsynth sequencer support.
I've done so, and it works [sufficiently long ago that I can't remember all that I did to get it going]
Also.... quite slow, and it *will* impact overall responsiveness.
Programs that send waveform samples to the sound chip should work fine, with standard ALSA support
(or if they use OSS /dev/audio, ALSA with OSS compatibility enabled)
Programs that send FM instructions, or MIDI frames to the sound chip
will require some more effort- this is nothing new with Titchy, or 2.6 kernels, just facts of life.
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Thanks for the input.
I extracted zaurus-soundhack package from titchy and found something I cannot understand. The installation path seems unusual. All the alsa stuff got installed in /opt/alsa14 (not /usr). And when I exeucted amixer I got this error:
/opt/alsa14/amixer: relocation error: /opt/alsa14/amixer: symbol optind. version GLIBC 2.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
I have just rebuilt alsa-libs and alsa-utils (with optimization flags). But I am still thinking what to do with them.
@tux: You said you can get sound playing from the speaker. How? I only get sound with headphone plugged in.
I've already tried neil's tip:
Sound is a problem. The "spitz" ALSA driver doesn't seem to work with the libasound2 in Debian. I'm trying to create a working version.
In the meantime there's an inelegant hack, using bits of packages from OpenZaurus. Edit /etc/default/soundhack to turn the speaker and/or headphone jack on (only the headphone jack is on by default), then run /etc/rcS.d/S50soundhack. Works for me, at least.
But even though I turned up the speaker volume to 90, there is still no sound from the speaker.
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*SNIPPED*
But, as I read the threads, it sounds like titchy isn't quite stable and working, though it is the coolest thing to come around in while.
*SNIPPED*
Honestly I am feeling rather differently. Debian is acutally very stable (it never hangs or crashes so far, not even once). Most debian packages just work. Upgrading and apt-get and the native toolchain works so beautifully. (Well the Debian toolchain is way better than that for pdaX). And debian runs pretty fast too, just like pdaX, and much much smoother than using the pocketworkstation "in the old days" .
The biggest issue at hand now is sound. But before working out a solution we have to track down the origin of the issue.
neil says it's due to version incompatibility (Angstrom's zaurus-soundhack is alsa 1.0.14, while the default Etch is 1.0.13). I still find it a bit unclear to me: the Lenny alsa libraries are actually also 1.0.14. But sound is crippled. But it plays very well in games. I enjoy bery much the Ultima 7 tune in my Sangband package (will upload *very* soon ). And I beat powermanga with full sound and music. Flobopuyo also plays great.
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*SNIPPED*
But, as I read the threads, it sounds like titchy isn't quite stable and working, though it is the coolest thing to come around in while.
*SNIPPED*
Honestly I am feeling rather differently. Debian is acutally very stable (it never hangs or crashes so far, not even once). Most debian packages just work. Upgrading and apt-get and the native toolchain works so beautifully. (Well the Debian toolchain is way better than that for pdaX). And debian runs pretty fast too, just like pdaX, and much much smoother than using the pocketworkstation "in the old days" .
I second this.
It is rock solid !
Chero.
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*SNIPPED*
But, as I read the threads, it sounds like titchy isn't quite stable and working, though it is the coolest thing to come around in while.
*SNIPPED*
Honestly I am feeling rather differently. Debian is acutally very stable (it never hangs or crashes so far, not even once). Most debian packages just work. Upgrading and apt-get and the native toolchain works so beautifully. (Well the Debian toolchain is way better than that for pdaX). And debian runs pretty fast too, just like pdaX, and much much smoother than using the pocketworkstation "in the old days" .
I second this.
It is rock solid !
Chero.
I'll keep an eye on it, certainly. some flavor or other of debian is on everything else I have, it wouod be handy on my Z, too.
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I hate to hijack the topic, so let me follow up on the issue discussed here:
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showto...mp;#entry169288 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24895&pid=169288&st=0&#entry169288)
In short, the current pdaX r198, which also uses kernel 2.6.xx, also suffers from a similar sound problem.
koen says the kernel has already got the right sound driver, and the Angstrom alsa stuff should work with that. But the problem is the Angstrom ALSA binaries don't run in Debian (simply "file not found").
My impression after browing the Angstrom package repositories is that the current Angstrom libraries have already turned EABI (according to the available architecture choices, though some packages are still named "armv5te" only), which means they don't run in the current ARM Debian. I did try and got the "file not found" error, so the files are simply not recognized.
Or am i wrong about all this? Or should I look somewhere else?
I can't ask this in the Angstrom mailing list because this is for (ARM) Debian.
Again, does anyone understand what neils means by "installing the Angstrom bits" to make sound work, apart from the zaurus-suundhack package?
And has anyone got sound play thru the speaker and not just the headphone?
The mouse right click and brightness setting issues already have solutions (see the recent threads). With this fixed, we'll have a reasonably functioning Debian setup to work/play with.
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perhaps compiling wm8750 mixer would help ? i try!
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http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617)
http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2657 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2657)
There seems to be a bug in the Angstrom sound-system for Zaurus. Maybe problems will be solved when Angstrom does it's next release (If they can get altboot working again).
Chero.
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http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617)
http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2657 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2657)
There seems to be a bug in the Angstrom sound-system for Zaurus. Maybe problems will be solved when Angstrom does it's next release (If they can get altboot working again).
Chero.
Just to be clear... Is there a 2.6 kernel for the Z that has sound functions comparable to the latest developments in 2.4? I bring this up both for clarification, and to emphasize (given that I'm right, of course--otherwise I'm just emphasizing that I missed something) that the problem seems endemic to 2.6 zaurus ports.
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Just to be clear... Is there a 2.6 kernel for the Z that has sound functions comparable to the latest developments in 2.4?
No, the 2.6 kernel in OE has far better functions, given that you use a proper userspace. Running an EABI kernel with OABI alsa is causing the crappy sounds due to struct differences between OABI and EABI. The people at Wolfson micro that write the drivers for alsa SoC are OE developers themselves, so you can't get any better than that.
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Just to be clear... Is there a 2.6 kernel for the Z that has sound functions comparable to the latest developments in 2.4?
No, the 2.6 kernel in OE has far better functions, given that you use a proper userspace. Running an EABI kernel with OABI alsa is causing the crappy sounds due to struct differences between OABI and EABI. The people at Wolfson micro that write the drivers for alsa SoC are OE developers themselves, so you can't get any better than that.
koen,
right now we're using the 2.6.22 kernel of Angstrom within Debian Tichy and the 2.6.22 modules. so i guess sound should work as fine as in real Angstrom no? (perhaps i'm mistaken?)
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Yes, you're mistaken, since you are using the OABI debian.
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Yes, you're mistaken, since you are using the OABI debian.
ok
so how could we get rid of that ? recompile the kernel ?? (excuse my linux newbie questions
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
The debian developers in the #oe irc channel asked that very same question
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
The debian developers in the #oe irc channel asked that very same question
Thanks koen, dromede and xor for the helpful links.
I feel, I am a thorough novice here. So I'm going to look at the file I'm downloading from the link above and take some time out to look at the information on the Wolfson site.
Your explanation of the problem seems to put it in clear perspective. Thanks for that.
Whilst you're in the giving vein: is there any particular place in the angstrom pages I would find helpful in understanding what you all have just pointed us to?
I've always been unlucky with the opie stuff up to date. Always felt that I was banging my head on a brick wall when I have tried it. So altough I downloaded the bitbake system I have been very reluctant to try it out. Do I need to get into using your build system in order to get on with this Titchy thing? Or will those links allow me/us to make some progress with one of the nicer developments I have come across for a while? Perhaps using the native development tools?
I much prefer forum and Wiki for communication to buglists and irc. But if you assure me that I'll learn from them I'll make the effort to look.
Cheers
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
The debian developers in the #oe irc channel asked that very same question
Thanks koen, dromede and xor for the helpful links.
I feel, I am a thorough novice here. So I'm going to look at the file I'm downloading from the link above and take some time out to look at the information on the Wolfson site.
Your explanation of the problem seems to put it in clear perspective. Thanks for that.
Whilst you're in the giving vein: is there any particular place in the angstrom pages I would find helpful in understanding what you all have just pointed us to?
I've always been unlucky with the opie stuff up to date. Always felt that I was banging my head on a brick wall when I have tried it. So altough I downloaded the bitbake system I have been very reluctant to try it out. Do I need to get into using your build system in order to get on with this Titchy thing? Or will those links allow me/us to make some progress with one of the nicer developments I have come across for a while? Perhaps using the native development tools?
I much prefer forum and Wiki for communication to buglists and irc. But if you assure me that I'll learn from them I'll make the effort to look.
Cheers
Use angstrom, sound works there (modulo weirdos using 31999Hz sample rates, but that doesn't work anywhere) and we can add packages you are missing, *if* you tell us what you need, either on the mailinglist or on bugzilla. BTW, opie is unsupported in angstrom, since in practice is has been unmaintained for two years (the 1.2.3 releases basically updates some icons, big deal).
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Use angstrom, sound works there (modulo weirdos using 31999Hz sample rates, but that doesn't work anywhere) and we can add packages you are missing, *if* you tell us what you need, either on the mailinglist or on bugzilla. BTW, opie is unsupported in angstrom, since in practice is has been unmaintained for two years (the 1.2.3 releases basically updates some icons, big deal).
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Sorry for the inexact terminology, I'll just refer to angstrom from now on. I've got lots of homework to do now!
Thanks again.
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well, this is a little bit off topic, but you didn't talk about non working packages in Angstrom, like firefox2 .... or perhaps it is working now ?
anyway i was angstrom addicted some days ago before trying debian titchy; so i really hope angstrom will get better and better !
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
The debian developers in the #oe irc channel asked that very same question
Well, I am very sure there will be yet another (and even greater) Debian shockwave to the Z users, if what was reported in this thread is no longer true...
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24887 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24887)
So, a quick question: does it mean that Debian EABI can be installed in the same way as the curreny titchy, i.e. flashing Angstrom 2.6.xx kernel + untaring Debian EABI rootfs to the internal driver (/dev/hda1) ? Thanks!
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koen is right. i can't understand why are you using the titchy rootfs when you have a quite usable debian armel rootfs right here:
http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
The debian developers in the #oe irc channel asked that very same question
Well, I am very sure there will be yet another (and even greater) Debian shockwave to the Z users, if what was reported in this thread is no longer true...
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24887 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24887)
So, a quick question: does it mean that Debian EABI can be installed in the same way as the curreny titchy, i.e. flashing Angstrom 2.6.xx kernel + untaring Debian EABI rootfs to the internal driver (/dev/hda1) ? Thanks!
Yes. just untar the rootfs available here - -> http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2) to where your kernel expects it to be and it will boot. the above mentioned rootfs needs to be tweaked a bit (nothing complicated really) for it to work on the Z and that's it. here's a relevant thread --> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24589 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24589)
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So, a quick question: does it mean that Debian EABI can be installed in the same way as the curreny titchy, i.e. flashing Angstrom 2.6.xx kernel + untaring Debian EABI rootfs to the internal driver (/dev/hda1) ? Thanks!
that's exactly what i'll try right after backuping my (working) debian !
so let's open another thread for that !
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note that armel is still WIP. So there could be some broken packages. as for the kernel, you can use the angstrom one or you can use the gentoo kernels. of course, you can always compile one yourself.
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So, Dromede, can you tell use which popular program packages are broken? I don't really mind not being able to use firefox (for me it's more for showing off ), if some other decent browser more powerful than Dillo will do.
How about those "regular" office applications, like Abiword, Gnumeric, GIMP, and PIM stuff, etc?
Can I just use the native GCC toolchain in EABI to roll my own packages like in (OABI) Debian?
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Yes, you're mistaken, since you are using the OABI debian.
That's very true. Because I've googled OABI and EABI and there is not really much accessible information for non-hackers/developers.
Also I have yet to see any relevant information in the Angstrom website.
So being mistaken has some reasons.
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Dromede said:
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Yes. just untar the rootfs available here - -> http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2) to where your kernel expects it to be and it will boot. the above mentioned rootfs needs to be tweaked a bit (nothing complicated really) for it to work on the Z and that's it. here's a relevant thread --> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24589 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24589)
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I'll let someone else find the problems with installing this! The word 'tweaks' always sounds alarm bells for me. Not to mention worrying about the package situation, but perhaps that isn't too much of a problem using the on-board development tools?
I shall watch with interest.
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So, Dromede, can you tell use which popular program packages are broken? I don't really mind not being able to use firefox (for me it's more for showing off ), if some other decent browser more powerful than Dillo will do.
How about those "regular" office applications, like Abiword, Gnumeric, GIMP, and PIM stuff, etc?
Can I just use the native GCC toolchain in EABI to roll my own packages like in (OABI) Debian?
i tried installing debian armel on my C1000 several times. last time i tried i had some problems with the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev package. the package configuration failed when it tried to generate the xorg.conf file. so i found a working xorg.conf file somewhere (googled it) and i got X to work. i installed xfce 4, abiword and synaptic first. all of them worked as expected. i really can't say anything about FF since i never tried it.i think the titchy one should work with armel but i'm not sure. i never really got into debian since it takes a lot of space, and it's quite slow since i had to place the rootfs on a sd card. and the rootfs got corrupted often.
armel is still a beta architecture... so treat it accordingly.
have fun and take care
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well well,
after so much discussions tonight (it is quite hard to follow them all!), and as my current debian is being tar-ed, i don't know whether I should install latest angstrom (and stick to it) or try another eabi based ports listed here : http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c...842684eeec18466 (http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c7b061da2eb57b1a94d89774842684eeec18466)
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well well,
after so much discussions tonight (it is quite hard to follow them all!), and as my current debian is being tar-ed, i don't know whether I should install latest angstrom (and stick to it) or try another eabi based ports listed here : http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c...842684eeec18466 (http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c7b061da2eb57b1a94d89774842684eeec18466)
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Why not roll the big rock to the peak?
"One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
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well well,
after so much discussions tonight (it is quite hard to follow them all!), and as my current debian is being tar-ed, i don't know whether I should install latest angstrom (and stick to it) or try another eabi based ports listed here : http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c...842684eeec18466 (http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-7c7b061da2eb57b1a94d89774842684eeec18466)
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Why not roll the big rock to the peak?
"One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
...why not return to OpenBsd
......or stay with debian titchy, as only non working stuff was the sound, which i don't really need.....
well, well, well.....
tar-ing is still in progress more time to think....
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i tried installing debian armel on my C1000 several times. last time i tried i had some problems with the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev package. the package configuration failed when it tried to generate the xorg.conf file. so i found a working xorg.conf file somewhere (googled it) and i got X to work. i installed xfce 4, abiword and synaptic first. all of them worked as expected. i really can't say anything about FF since i never tried it.i think the titchy one should work with armel but i'm not sure. i never really got into debian since it takes a lot of space, and it's quite slow since i had to place the rootfs on a sd card. and the rootfs got corrupted often.
armel is still a beta architecture... so treat it accordingly.
That and the fact that I don't need sound on my zaurus are the reasons I prefer titchy.
If we can get a few users together that are willing to share their findings/tweaks/... in a forum like this, I want to help proof to myself that I'm wrong.
Chero.
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Just to add to this thread.
The reason you will have problems with sound on an OABI rootfs with Angstrom kernel is because ALSA doesnt contain the right magic to allow both ABI to function at same time. The rest of the kernel does and this is why everything else works
fine.
I found this out about a year ago when I was working for Wolfson :-)
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Just to add to this thread.
The reason you will have problems with sound on an OABI rootfs with Angstrom kernel is because ALSA doesnt contain the right magic to allow both ABI to function at same time. The rest of the kernel does and this is why everything else works
fine.
I found this out about a year ago when I was working for Wolfson :-)
Thanks for the plain and straightforward explanation. So the way to go is to have Oabi kernel and Oabi rootfs or Eabi kernel and Eabi rootfs. There are several routes that can be followed to either of those two goals.
Which route to follow?? Either will require me to learn a lot more about linux, kernels, modules and developing. All to the good!
Thanks again for the input.
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Ditto!
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Thanks for the plain and straightforward explanation. So the way to go is to have Oabi kernel and Oabi rootfs or Eabi kernel and Eabi rootfs. There are several routes that can be followed to either of those two goals.
Which route to follow?? Either will require me to learn a lot more about linux, kernels, modules and developing. All to the good!
Thanks again for the input.
Well if you have time, then you can always use make-kpkg on zaurus under debian to build either OABI or EABI kernels just by change the .config. The packages/linux/linux.inc will show you how. Once youve built packages they work just like
any other debian packages.