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Remember months ago there was a big discussion of getting Debian EABI working on the Z (basically the 3x00 models):
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23773 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23773)
I just wonder how Debian EABI fares now compared to the current Debian (titchy)? What are the important things that work in one but not in the other?
@Chero: You have used both. How do you feel about them?
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I don't know much about eabi :
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- it can be installed on the Zaurus
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- it hadn't been released when I tried, has it already ? edit : but it seems already quite usable
- glad to see people are starting to use it and comment on it in a forum in english
About titchy :
- it can also be installed on the Zaurus
- a bit easier to install
- a lot easier to get X running (apt-get install blabla)
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- more than just russian users (I've got nothing against russian people, but I don't understand the language and the internet-translators don't translate good enough to understand it all, sorry.)
- a lot more apps available (and a forum to ask for the missing ones )
- I can run "evolution" when I want to do something special and use "dates" and "contacts" in real life (debian armel will probably do this very soon) .
Conclusion : if you want debian,
I won't be able to wait for the release of debian eabi. Seeing the enthusiasm of the new users in this forum, I will probably try it again between here and a week or so.
Chero.
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Now I am using Debian eabi on C3200 for more than three months. It is quite stable and convenient. I compiled kernel 2.6.22.9 applied with angstrom patches, fastfpe and cpufreq. Yesterday I tried to install and setup Debian (titchy) using my kernels which are for eabi and oabi, but I cannot run xwindow but sound works.
Anyway, here are some comments for debian eabi.
- can be installed on sd, cf, internal disk.
- easy to install using uboot ( at least to me)
- X is running well. When I use xournal, there is no problem with stylus.
- support wireless (ambicom). I didn't try bluetooth and wired lan but it shoud work.
- usb storages ( ntfs rw support )
- sound is very good, and video also works well with pxa driver.
- webbrower: dillo, minimo (no firefox )
- anything else?
but
- lots of broken packages but you can compile them easily.
Check my blog (in Korean) for some screenshots ( http://yonggun.tistory.com/52 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/52) )
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Now I am using Debian eabi on C3200 for more than three months. It is quite stable and convenient. I compiled kernel 2.6.22.9 applied with angstrom patches, fastfpe and cpufreq. Yesterday I tried to install and setup Debian (titchy) using my kernels which are for eabi and oabi, but I cannot run xwindow but sound works.
Anyway, here are some comments for debian eabi.
- can be installed on sd, cf, internal disk.
- easy to install using uboot ( at least to me)
- X is running well. When I use xournal, there is no problem with stylus.
- support wireless (ambicom). I didn't try bluetooth and wired lan but it shoud work.
- usb storages ( ntfs rw support )
- sound is very good, and video also works well with pxa driver.
- webbrower: dillo, minimo (no firefox )
- anything else?
but
- lots of broken packages but you can compile them easily.
Check my blog (in Korean) for some screenshots ( http://yonggun.tistory.com/52 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/52) )
For X in Titchy: did you install xserver-zaurus (it's part of the titchy bundle)?
Also it seems we need to set the X server to /opt/kdrive/X, instead of /usr/bin/X, in xserverrc or xession (something like that).
I don't use xfce4 on my setup, and this my /usr/bin/startx (simplified):
export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0
/opt/kdrive/X &&
exec icewm-session-experimentalCould you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Does CJK inputmethods (mainly SCIM and UIM) work in Debian EABI? I remember I was trying to set it up when trying Angstrom but I got lost (because of zero documentation on that )
As you mention (onboard) compilation, I wonder if it is done just pretty much in the same way as the standard method using GCC. Is there any special option/flag to pass at configure time?
Thanks!
PS: Also do you know the reason why so many packages are broken, if OE is supposed to work so perfectly as often hyped?
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regarding broken packages... --> http://nchip.livejournal.com/10735.html (http://nchip.livejournal.com/10735.html)
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regarding broken packages... --> http://nchip.livejournal.com/10735.html (http://nchip.livejournal.com/10735.html)
Well, thanks. But I don't make much of this, because it's just communication between developers/hackers.
I am just a simple-minded user who just wants to get things done.
***
One day I get thirsty in a hot summer sun and so I reach a fancily advertised brand new bleeding-edge drink vending machine sitting exactly where I used to kill my thirst.
"Ok, well... I've put a coin inside and I've press the right button, but ... my badly needed favorite drink doesn't come out! I used to get it whenever I want from the good old but slow machine before the replacement."
"No. You simply don't get it. You can't get your drink because you fail to understand the mechanics inside me and how the powerful chips and controllers do their miraculous jobs." [It turns out to be the machine that is talking]
"(sweating even more and beginning to feel fainted)... But I just want my drink! I am dying for THAT, not the ultimate truth of the deepest secrets in this world... (and beginning to get delusional too: does learning to fix & patch & build this holy machine from scratch save me from this hellishly burning heat, for goodness sake...??) "
"No. You are ignorant. You are wrong. You are bad. You are a problem. You are a failure ----"
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Could you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Check here for kernel and module. - http://yonggun.tistory.com/53 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/53)
One kernel is for SD installation and the other is for installing on hda1. Be cautious that this kernel uses UBOOT.
Does CJK inputmethods (mainly SCIM and UIM) work in Debian EABI? I remember I was trying to set it up when trying Angstrom but I got lost (because of zero documentation on that )
Yes, I am using uim to type Korean. I didn't try scim but I guess it works.
As you mention (onboard) compilation, I wonder if it is done just pretty much in the same way as the standard method using GCC. Is there any special option/flag to pass at configure time?
Thanks!
I used the same options to compile the applications as did in pdaXrom compilations. Also I took many applications from angstrom ( minimo, mplayer, gpe-conf, etc.).
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Hey, that's cool man! I am about to try this EABI on my 3200.
One more question: where is the Debian EABI feed (not just package downloads but a proper feed)? Thanks again!
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Here are feed lists that you can select.
deb kfreebsd-gnu.debian.net/debian unstable main
deb ftp.easynet.be/ftp/gnuab/debian unstable main
deb ftp.de.debian.org/debian-kfreebsd unstable main
deb ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-kfreebsd unstable main
deb www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian unstable main
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Sorry I miss another thing: I see a few Debian EABI rootfs tarballs. Which one is preferred, or they are just the same?
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Sorry I miss another thing: I see a few Debian EABI rootfs tarballs. Which one is preferred, or they are just the same?
I used this: http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
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Sorry I miss another thing: I see a few Debian EABI rootfs tarballs. Which one is preferred, or they are just the same?
I used this: http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/li...root-fs.tar.bz2 (http://armel.applieddata.net/developers/linux/eabi/armel-root-fs.tar.bz2)
i used this one too
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Ok, i got stuck.
Here are what I've done so far.
1) NAND restore.
2) Boot into the original emergency mode and fdisk /dev/hda there, format the drive into ext3 plus a separate swap partition.
3) Install uboot from SD. (DON'T install from CF, because the uboot will recognize the external card as /dev/hda1 rather than the internal drive!)
4) Boot into the new pdaXrom emergency mode (Press "OK" before power on)
5) Remove the uboot installer files on SD
6) Copy 2or0's kernel (renamed as "kernel.img") and pdaXrom's autoboot.sh to the root of SD.
7) cd /mnt/card
8) sh autoboot.sh ./
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But the flashing took so fast, only reporting that there is no bad block, and it starts to reboot very quickly. It seems 2or0's kernel is not flashed properly.
Booting into the pdaXrom emergency mode again, uname -a shows the kernel is still 2.6.16, not 2.6.22.9.
And in the pdaXrom emergency mode the system freezes when I am trying to do something with the internal drive (already formatted as ext3 before installing uboot). The disk green light doesn't lit. Even a simple ls command stops everything.
So, questions:
Q1: Is it correct to use the pdaXrom's autoboot.sh or something else to flash 2or0's kernel?
Q2: Do i need to change /etc/fstab in order to access the internal drive?
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Ok, i got stuck.
Here are what I've done so far.
1) NAND restore.
2) Boot into the original emergency mode and fdisk /dev/hda there, format the drive into ext3 plus a separate swap partition.
3) Install uboot from SD. (DON'T install from CF, because the uboot will recognize the external card as /dev/hda1 rather than the internal drive!)
4) Boot into the new pdaXrom emergency mode (Press "OK" before power on)
5) Remove the uboot installer files on SD
6) Copy 2or0's kernel (renamed as "kernel.img") and pdaXrom's autoboot.sh to the root of SD.
7) cd /mnt/card
8) sh autoboot.sh ./
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But the flashing took so fast, only reporting that there is no bad block, and it starts to reboot very quickly. It seems 2or0's kernel is not flashed properly.
Booting into the pdaXrom emergency mode again, uname -a shows the kernel is still 2.6.16, not 2.6.22.9.
And in the pdaXrom emergency mode the system freezes when I am trying to do something with the internal drive (already formatted as ext3 before installing uboot). The disk green light doesn't lit. Even a simple ls command stops everything.
So, questions:
Q1: Is it correct to use the pdaXrom's autoboot.sh or something else to flash 2or0's kernel?
Q2: Do i need to change /etc/fstab in order to access the internal drive?
Here is autoboot.sh file which is modified. If you put this and kernel on your sd together and reboot into emergency mode, it will automatically ask you whether you will install debian or boot in emergency mode. yes, it's easy. Then you can see debian armel system.
Please take off the extension (tar.gz). This file is just text file.
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Thanks for the script.
But again I cannot access the internal drive. Issuing any command on the internal drive makes the prompt cursor keep blinking forever.
Should I rename the rootfs tarball to something else and put it together with the kernel when flashing?
So ...
I now wonder:
Should I extract the Debian rootfs to the internal drive BEFORE installing uboot and the new kernel?
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Update:
My suspicion confirmed: I must prepare the whole system (ext3 disk, rootfs, kernel modules) BEFORE installing uboot and 2or0's kernel, mainly because the pdaXrom emergency system cannot handle ext3 partitions.
Now I got consoletool installed and keymap loaded. Time to poke around ...
My very initial impression: Debian EABI is *very* fast!
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Ok, you did it.
When you want to set up Xwindow, refer following link. That is good introduction.
http://inv2004.googlepages.com/z1000_debian.txt (http://inv2004.googlepages.com/z1000_debian.txt)
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Wonderful!
I am so absent-minded that Chero told me just yesterday that the Debian armel (EABI) packages are all in Sid.
Networking is up now!
I am going to add the installation method of this (2or0's kernel + EABI rootfs) to my WIP how-to.
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Could you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Check here for kernel and module. - http://yonggun.tistory.com/53 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/53)
One kernel is for SD installation and the other is for installing on hda1. Be cautious that this kernel uses UBOOT.
hi 2or0 !
now i've debian eabi on my C3000, i'd like to try your need-for-speed kernel !
but you said "kernel uses UBOOT."
does that mean that i cannot use it on my C3000 ???
(now i'm running with angstrom's 2.6.22 kernel)
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Yes. To install UBOOT means you have to install everything again... (that's what i did today)
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Could you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Check here for kernel and module. - http://yonggun.tistory.com/53 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/53)
One kernel is for SD installation and the other is for installing on hda1. Be cautious that this kernel uses UBOOT.
hi 2or0 !
now i've debian eabi on my C3000, i'd like to try your need-for-speed kernel !
but you said "kernel uses UBOOT."
does that mean that i cannot use it on my C3000 ???
(now i'm running with angstrom's 2.6.22 kernel)
yes, you should install uboot in your system. I think you can do it but I am not sure. Also you don't need install all debian rootfs again. First copy modules into the system, and install uboot and kernel for internel disk. That's it.
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Could you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Check here for kernel and module. - http://yonggun.tistory.com/53 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/53)
One kernel is for SD installation and the other is for installing on hda1. Be cautious that this kernel uses UBOOT.
hi 2or0 !
now i've debian eabi on my C3000, i'd like to try your need-for-speed kernel !
but you said "kernel uses UBOOT."
does that mean that i cannot use it on my C3000 ???
(now i'm running with angstrom's 2.6.22 kernel)
yes, you should install uboot in your system. I think you can do it but I am not sure. Also you don't need install all debian rootfs again. First copy modules into the system, and install uboot and kernel for internel disk. That's it.
well well
i've just found that Meanie has yet asked the question :
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23551 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23551)
with no answers....
however even with the angstrom kernel, eabi seems really faster than tichy so...
now i 'm hit by several uninstalable packages : mutt, pidgin, mplayer runs but fails to render video, .... i hope they'll be fixed soon. any idea?
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Could you provide a pointer to your kernel, or simply upload here? I am very eager to try that!
Check here for kernel and module. - http://yonggun.tistory.com/53 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/53)
One kernel is for SD installation and the other is for installing on hda1. Be cautious that this kernel uses UBOOT.
hi 2or0 !
now i've debian eabi on my C3000, i'd like to try your need-for-speed kernel !
but you said "kernel uses UBOOT."
does that mean that i cannot use it on my C3000 ???
(now i'm running with angstrom's 2.6.22 kernel)
yes, you should install uboot in your system. I think you can do it but I am not sure. Also you don't need install all debian rootfs again. First copy modules into the system, and install uboot and kernel for internel disk. That's it.
well well
i've just found that Meanie has yet asked the question :
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23551 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23551)
with no answers....
however even with the angstrom kernel, eabi seems really faster than tichy so...
now i 'm hit by several uninstalable packages : mutt, pidgin, mplayer runs but fails to render video, .... i hope they'll be fixed soon. any idea?
I got mplayer from angstrom iwmmxt package which shows quite good performance with pxa video output. I can watch vga animation without overclocking. Also mutt, pidgin are in the feed.
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Another update:
Now I am in!
The instructions in http://inv2004.googlepages.com/z1000_debian.txt (http://inv2004.googlepages.com/z1000_debian.txt) are mostly accurate, except 44)
44) wget http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-r12_armv4t.ipk (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/tslib-conf_1.0-r12_armv4t.ipk)
&& ar x tslib-conf_1.0-r12_armv4t.ipk
&& tar zxvf data.tar.gz
&& cat ./etc/ts.conf | sed 's/^# module_raw corgi/module_raw corgi/' > /etc/ts.conf
&& cat etc/profile.d/tslib.sh | grep -v '#!/bin/sh' >> ~/.profile
Three problems:
1) The default tslib.sh does not work for the Z. TSLIB_TSDEVICE should not be /dev/input/touchscreen0 but /dev/input/ts0
2) One very crucial step is missing: you have to copy the ./usr/lib/ts to /usr/lib, otherwise ts_calibrate will complain about missing modules!
3) The angstrom feed now has a newer version of tslib-conf and ts-calibrate
Hey, this is no ranting at all, because ...
Setting up Debian EABI is actually much easier than I expected!
Networking ...... OK
X-window ...... OK
Stylus pointer ..... OK (no jumping! and yes, xournal runs very well.)
Hwclock write ..... OK
Now only sound left!
@2or0:
-- how can you get sound working? Which packages do you use?
-- if I wanna use the Angstrom packages, which arch should I use? armv5te, armv5teb or armv4t?
-- I got an error when installing xournal. while setting up libpaper1, there was a mysterious error saying
Setting up libpaper1 (1.1.23) ...
umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
dpkg: error processing libpaper1 (--configure)
SNIPPED
What does /mnt/cf have to do with setting up libpaper1?
Truly, EABI is much faster than OABI! (Powermanga doesn't lag terribly as in titchy...)
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Another update:
Now I am in!
welcome to this need_for_speed debian eabi !
Three problems:
1) The default tslib.sh does not work for the Z. TSLIB_TSDEVICE should not be /dev/input/touchscreen0 but /dev/input/ts0
that's funny because my C3000 works with /dev/input/touchscreen0 .... perhaps a device question ?
2) One very crucial step is missing: you have to copy the ./usr/lib/ts to /usr/lib, otherwise ts_calibrate will complain about missing modules!
i didn't run ts_calibrate, but i copied /etc/pointercal from angstrom's...
3) The angstrom feed now has a newer version of tslib-conf and ts-calibrate
...and a brand new 2.6.23 kernel since today !!!!!!!
Stylus pointer ..... OK (no jumping! and yes, xournal runs very well.)
grrrrrrrrr i don't believe i still have jumping....perhaps a C3000 problem ? have someone with a C3000 have this problem gone ???
[quote name='ZDevil' date='Oct 25 2007, 02:24 AM' post='169833']
-- how can you get sound working? Which packages do you use?
yes we need to test it now!
i believe the sound devices are not yet there because there's no /dev/audio or /dev/mixer....
[quote name='ZDevil' date='Oct 25 2007, 02:24 AM' post='169833']
Setting up libpaper1 (1.1.23) ...
funny, i didn't have this problem..... apt-get install xournal ran without any problem and xournal just run fine here.....
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I got mplayer from angstrom iwmmxt package which shows quite good performance with pxa video output. I can watch vga animation without overclocking. Also mutt, pidgin are in the feed.
how do you manage angstrom packages??? do you just uncompress them or is there a way do some sort of ipkg2deb ???
i mean i would not want to break debian apt-get dependancies...
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Three problems:
1) The default tslib.sh does not work for the Z. TSLIB_TSDEVICE should not be /dev/input/touchscreen0 but /dev/input/ts0
that's funny because my C3000 works with /dev/input/touchscreen0 .... perhaps a device question ?
2) One very crucial step is missing: you have to copy the ./usr/lib/ts to /usr/lib, otherwise ts_calibrate will complain about missing modules!
i didn't run ts_calibrate, but i copied /etc/pointercal from angstrom's...
Stylus pointer ..... OK (no jumping! and yes, xournal runs very well.)
grrrrrrrrr i don't believe i still have jumping....perhaps a C3000 problem ? have someone with a C3000 have this problem gone ???
In my system there are /dev/input/ts0 , /dev/input/event1 and others, but no /dev/input/touchscreen0 .
I have to recalibrate, because the pointer by default behaves very wildly.
I also copied /etc/pointercal from my C860, but that didn't help. I had to copy the modules from /usr/lib/ts in the Angstrom libts package to get recalibration working.
For the jumping pointer issue, are you using the Angstrom kernel? Mine is 2or0's version.
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For the jumping pointer issue, are you using the Angstrom kernel? Mine is 2or0's version.
i'm using angstrom's kernel 2.6.22
but thanks to JohnX this bug is now solved: i just rmmod mousedev !
do you have it running?
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You are right: no /dev/mousedev in mine.
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Now only sound left!
@2or0:
-- how can you get sound working? Which packages do you use?
-- if I wanna use the Angstrom packages, which arch should I use? armv5te, armv5teb or armv4t?
-- I got an error when installing xournal. while setting up libpaper1, there was a mysterious error saying
Setting up libpaper1 (1.1.23) ...
umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
dpkg: error processing libpaper1 (--configure)
SNIPPED
What does /mnt/cf have to do with setting up libpaper1?
Ok,
- for sound, you should install these packages: alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss. If you unmute all in alsamixer, you can hear the sound. To listen to music using xmms, install xmms and xmms-mad package together.
- I used armv5te binaries from angstrom.
- I don't have that problem with libpaper1.
I got mplayer from angstrom iwmmxt package which shows quite good performance with pxa video output. I can watch vga animation without overclocking. Also mutt, pidgin are in the feed.
how do you manage angstrom packages??? do you just uncompress them or is there a way do some sort of ipkg2deb ???
i mean i would not want to break debian apt-get dependancies...
ipk for angstrom and deb for deb use same packaging method. Please don't be confused that ipk of angstrom and ipk of pdaXrom or sharprom are different. so if you want to use binary of angstrom:
# ar x package
# tar zxvf data.tar.gz
then you can copy the extracted files into the system.
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2or0, by the sound packages, do you mean the Angtrom ones (there is not alsa-base in its feed) or the Debian armel ones?
Believe or not, libpaper1 finally agrees to install and configure properly after I plug in a CF card ... and the configure script of libpaper1 does somehow umont /mnt/cf, my goodness ... All other packages do not have this problem.
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2or0, by the sound packages, do you mean the Angtrom ones (there is not alsa-base in its feed) or the Debian armel ones?
Believe or not, libpaper1 finally agrees to install and configure properly after I plug in a CF card ... and the configure script of libpaper1 does somehow umont /mnt/cf, my goodness ... All other packages do not have this problem.
all sound packages are from debian. I only used angstrom binary for missing package or mplayer.
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Thanks, then how to get to the sound setting (like mute, volume)?
EDIT: I installed the armel packages of alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss. I tried alsamixer, but got this:
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such deviceStrange. I now get issue in xorunal. Tap and hold the stylus will produce vertical strokes. The terminal says "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" What does that mean? I am using the 0.3.3 armel package.
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Thanks, then how to get to the sound setting (like mute, volume)?
EDIT: I installed the armel packages of alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss. I tried alsamixer, but got this:
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such deviceStrange. I now get issue in xorunal. Tap and hold the stylus will produce vertical strokes. The terminal says "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" What does that mean? I am using the 0.3.3 armel package.
Did you load the sound module, snd-soc-spitz? Simply 'modprobe snd-soc-spitz' or you can add it in /etc/modules.
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Thanks, then how to get to the sound setting (like mute, volume)?
EDIT: I installed the armel packages of alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss. I tried alsamixer, but got this:
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such deviceStrange. I now get issue in xorunal. Tap and hold the stylus will produce vertical strokes. The terminal says "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" What does that mean? I am using the 0.3.3 armel package.
Did you load the sound module, snd-soc-spitz? Simply 'modprobe snd-soc-spitz' or you can add it in /etc/modules.
Yes! modprobe snd-soc-spitz gets me to the mixer setting . Sweet.
How do you set sound there? There are more than two dozens switches to flip ...
(Now replying using Minimo in Debian EABI on my 3200 )
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Ok, I got sound both from headphone and speaker!
After modprobe soc-snd-spitz, run alsamixer. There unmute the headphones and speakers. "MM" is mute. "OO" is on. Use the "," and "." keys to turn things on/off.
The armel xmms still plays ver choppy music, but much better than in OABI (titchy).
Now going to try Angstrom's mplayer. )
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well,
i'm unhappy with sound : although i adduser my_user to group audio, i have permission troubles for xmms to open /dev/dsp as i launch xmms....
did you have that?
by the way, did you get minimo from angstrom ? it didn't have any dependencies?
[brb in 1 hour to continue the armel adventure !]
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Strange. I now get issue in xorunal. Tap and hold the stylus will produce vertical strokes. The terminal says "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" What does that mean? I am using the 0.3.3 armel package.
I recompiled the kernel because input setting is wrong . Now it doesn't have that problem. I will upload it later. One problem is this: when I plugged in the usb mouse, the movement of mouse is 90 degree rotated. I don't know why.
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I run as root. So not sure about non-root usage.
Yes, I use minimo from Angstrom (armv5te). I didn't use it before. It looks and works ok, but there are too few buttons to press. Have yet to set up mouse right click key. Perhaps with that there are more options (in the right click menu -- i suppose there is one?)
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Strange. I now get issue in xorunal. Tap and hold the stylus will produce vertical strokes. The terminal says "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" What does that mean? I am using the 0.3.3 armel package.
I recompiled the kernel because input setting is wrong . Now it doesn't have that problem. I will upload it later. One problem is this: when I plugged in the usb mouse, the movement of mouse is 90 degree rotated. I don't know why.
Very much looking forward to your new kernel, please!
To me, I rather choose a behaving stylus pointer than a usb mouse cursor, because I seldom use usb mouse. The screen is too small for my mice to run around. My mice are already half as big as my dog.
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after a zaurus reboot, i now don't have permission messages ! ( i use a regular user, not root)
xmms is playing now, but ... i have no sound output.......
i tried to play with alsamixer and aumix with no success....
what device do you configure in xmms settings?
[now really brb in 1 hour! grrrrrrr zaurus is a time eater ]
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I run as root. So not sure about non-root usage.
Yes, I use minimo from Angstrom (armv5te). I didn't use it before. It looks and works ok, but there are too few buttons to press. Have yet to set up mouse right click key. Perhaps with that there are more options (in the right click menu -- i suppose there is one?)
The mouse right key setting is same as what you did with titchy.
When you play music using xmms, did you install xmms-mad? alsa output?
And you can add unrelease feed in source.list like deb ftp.de.debian.org/debian-kfreebsd unreleased main. It has lots of packages including iceweasel (unfortunately it doesn't work). You can install epiphany-gecko which is a light and full featured webbrower.
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Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!
I ran into problem when installing epiphany-gecko. A lot of gnome and related packages are reported to fail to configure.
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Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!
Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.
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Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!
Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.
Plz point out exactly where I say "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD. Otherwise this is a rather anti-social aggressive accusation.
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Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?
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Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!
Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.
Plz point out exactly where I say "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD. Otherwise this is a rather anti-social aggressive accusation.
I didn't say *you* were spreading such FUD, but look at why people started trying debian/EABI this week. Are you denying that such FUD was spread on this forum?
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Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?
You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?
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Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!
Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.
Plz point out exactly where I say "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD. Otherwise this is a rather anti-social aggressive accusation.
I didn't say *you* were spreading such FUD, but look at why people started trying debian/EABI this week. Are you denying that such FUD was spread on this forum?
Because no one intends to spread the FUD. Your FUD conspiracy theory comes from your aggressiveness and the feeling too good about yourself.
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Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?
You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?
For goodness sake, if you don't like to help users out in this forum, why do you still post here bashing non-hacker users? Does this make you feel better about your ego?
If you are such a helpful developer, why can't you point out where this is documented? Nothing is found in your holy wiki or mailing list.
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Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?
You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?
For goodness sake, if you don't like to help users out in this forum, why do you still post here bashing non-hacker users? Does this make you feel better about your ego?
If you are such a helpful developer, why can't you point out where this is documented? Nothing is found in your holy wiki or mailing list.
It 'just works' in angstrom, so no need to document it. FWIW, the answer is on the first page of hits when googling for 'zaurus headphone speaker'.
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(cough) Sorry, nothing useful in my google results.
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(cough) Sorry, nothing useful in my google results.
Ditto!
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Thanks to 2or0 for the pointer.
What do i do to zaurusd (how can I google this and i am not using Angstrom?) apart from copying the content?
The failure to configure some packages is myteriously due to this error
umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
Plug in a CF card then run apt-get install again will fix this.
This post is done with epiphany-gecko in Debian EABI.
I have nothing against Angstrom. It works so great and so neatly. I would be happy to support the project, like trying out new kernels and even donation.
Then again, making a great product by no means warrants any provocative attitude to common users and contempt for their end-users' non-hackerness.
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Thanks to 2or0 for the pointer.
What do i do to zaurusd (how can I google this and i am not using Angstrom?) apart from copying the content?
The failure to configure some packages is myteriously due to this error
umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
Plug in a CF card then run apt-get install again will fix this.
This post is done with epiphany-gecko in Debian EABI.
I have nothing against Angstrom. It works so great and so neatly. I would be happy to support the project, like trying out new kernels and even donation.
Then again, making a great product by no means warrants any provocative attitude to common users and contempt for their end-users' non-hackerness.
The problem I have with this forum is that *certain* people keep claiming that either 2.6 doesn't work, is crap, etc or that angstrom is broken, crap etc, without bothering to say what is broken or file a bugreport. Then you have the other group that refuses to send a simple mail to a mailinglist with their questions or problems and start posting how crap OE/OZ/angstrom is because they don't get any help in this forum. There are >30 angstrom developers suscribed to those mailinglists that want to help people, while zero of them want to give help here. You do the math.
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I have nothing against you either, because I simply don't know you. I am talking about your mode of communication.
I have read the mailinglist sometimes. Most of them are about very technical issues even in the User list.
How can I ask for help if the dev has so much dislike of their users?
And to be honest, I rather not asking help from you because I don't want to be under somebody's superiority complex.
And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.
You are such an ardent poster in this forum and many many other mailing lists, so instead of bashing (in your eyes) rude, ignorant, anti-social users, why can't you provide some more straightforward and clear information right there?
Do think about WHY most Zaurus users don't ask you questions in your mailing list(s).
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Plus: I have never used the word "crap" or "broken" to describe Angstrom itself, if you really want to pick it up on me then check my posts carefully.
Lack of user-friendly documentation is a fact.
Presence of broken packages is a fact.
But Angstrom is a good system, very well balanced between staying bleeding-edge and stability.
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Presence of broken packages is a fact.
So file bugs instead of saying 'Presence of broken packages is a fact' in some random forum.
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And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.
Right, wiki, which *you* can improve yourself, and according to rule #4, you are going to do that.
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And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.
Right, wiki, which *you* can improve yourself, and according to rule #4, you are going to do that.
Well, I do need to think about that seriously. I will if I can. But the thing is I am not using the Angstrom system, but at most the kernel itself. I am just some nameless user running Debian.
But i suppose you can avoid some much conflict and misunderstanding by writing a few more lines in your wiki.
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Presence of broken packages is a fact.
So file bugs instead of saying 'Presence of broken packages is a fact' in some random forum.
Again, I will do so. I have kept asking people here around which packages are broken. Many say so so I assume that's true. But I do need to find out exactly which.
And if the devs know that, some notes in the wiki would prove a great time-saver.
And this is a bit tricky to me. I do use some (content of extracted) Angstrom packages, but only when the arm or armel Debian packages fail.
Can I really ask questions about armel in the Angstrom mailing list?
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Presence of broken packages is a fact.
So file bugs instead of saying 'Presence of broken packages is a fact' in some random forum.
Again, I will do so. I have kept asking people here around which packages are broken. Many say so so I assume that's true. But I do need to find out exactly which.
And if the devs know that
The devs don't know until someone files a bug. Why the $*(@$*(@ heck do you think I keep hammering on people to file bugs?!?!
, some notes in the wiki would prove a great time-saver.
You're confusing wiki and bugtracker. At one point people started adding bugs into the wiki (that were already in the bugtracker), bugs got fixed and the person that added the bugs to the wiki didn't remove them, so lots of people thought the bugs were still present ("the wiki says so"). To avoid that:
* The bugtracker is the only place that has bugs and is canonical
* The wiki is unofficial and not the gospel truth (notice that is isn't on angstrom-distribtion.org).
Once a wiki page reaches a certain level of correctness it is removed from the wiki and put on angstrom-distribtion.org (e.g. like the c7x0 series install instructions).
The bugzilla also has meta bugs like http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependenc...hide_resolved=0 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3162&hide_resolved=0) or http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependenc...hide_resolved=0 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1093&hide_resolved=0) where you can see all the bugs for a given subject (am ipaq and altboot in this case).
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Fair enough. Why don't you simply stick this in the Angstrom wiki and/or the very first page of the homepage?
The very first page of Angtrom seems to me is more for communication between developers than to the ordinary users.
It simply states the draconian rules without telling the ordinary users what they are.
By ordinary users I refer to those not very conversant with complicated shell scripts and commands, let alone knowing the ins and outs of the kernel.
(Does the users of Angstrom need to know this to be "qualified" to use it?)
Your view already assumes a good deal of *nix background of the end-users. Prove that I am wrong.
Angstrom is a great product. But can you push this to clients who are *nix noobs? Ok, I am a newbie. I've got stuck. So, go file a bug or check out the bugs in the bugtracker...
Bugtracker is for the developers and advanced users to talk about things seriously techinically.
Wikis and forums are for all the users and developers to communicate in a friendly way.
Mailinglists too. But frankly the format and organization grow a bit old fashioned and it is not convenient to search for relevant information. Digging into the "threads" is time-consuming and somethings doesn't pay off.
Forums can get pretty messy once the threads grow so big. I agree with your opinion about the bad side of forums.
Wikis retrieve, summarize and update useful information. Not for discussion but can grow as a result of the discussions in forums and mailing lists.
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Glad to see a constructive conversation is going on!
By the way ZDevil, I seem to be making progress with OABI+OABI! Hope I'm not kidding myself.
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Bugtracker is for the developers and advanced users to talk about things seriously techinically.
Anyone can file a bug, developer can then have a technical discussion in that bug. As a user you don't have to follow or understand that discussion, just make some effort to provide the information the developers ask for. It really isn't rocket science, filing a bug is as easy as 'abiword crashes on startup', the developers can then do some digging and notice abiword only crashes when using the clearlooks theme and gtk 2.6, but not with other themes or clearlooks + gtk 2.8.
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Anyone can file a bug, developer can then have a technical discussion in that bug. As a user you don't have to follow or understand that discussion, just make some effort to provide the information the developers ask for. It really isn't rocket science, filing a bug is as easy as 'abiword crashes on startup', the developers can then do some digging and notice abiword only crashes when using the clearlooks theme and gtk 2.6, but not with other themes or clearlooks + gtk 2.8.
If it's that simple and userfriendly, then :
-- why so few users file bugs there? (perhaps because Angstrom just works)
-- what is the essential difference between forums and bugtrackers?
Just ask a new noob user. What do you think of when you look for support and useful tips & tricks & easy fixes in the product's website?
A. Forum
B. Wiki
C. Bugtracker
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I changed my view on things a bit and edited post 2 of this thread.
Chero.
[size=](only fools never change their mind)[/size]
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-- why so few users file bugs there? (perhaps because Angstrom just works)
Dunno
-- what is the essential difference between forums and bugtrackers?
A bugtracker is a *central* place where only *bugs* get discussed. This is a zaurus forum, angstrom is not only about zaurusses. This forums lose messages, attachements and is down every day that ends in -day. Almost all our developers dislike forums for their idle chatter, interface and find them hard to navigate. For other devices there are other forums, and it seems every user expects the developers to monitor and use 6 different forums instead of getting emailed by the bugtracker and spending the time gained on solving bugs. For most developers this is done in their spare time after work. Do you really expect them to spend an hour each day reading each and every post on a number of different fora because there might be a bug mentioned somewhere? Whatever you expect, they don't do that, they just read the 6 to 10 emails from the bugtracker to see if they can fix something.
There's a new & closed bug summary posted every week on the OE list for people that aren't on the buglog list.
It looks something like this:
Bugs fixed:
bug_id resolution short_desc
3135 FIXED 'unexport' attribute of variable still doesn't work sometimes
2714 FIXED [PATCH] lock mtd-utils to a specific git version so builds
will not break unexpectedly
3061 DUPLICATE usb-gadget is broken (at least in card reader and
file-backed mode)
3155 FIXED Patch for libgstmad to generate 16-bit output instead of 32-bit
3179 FIXED dbus fails to start on x86/Angstrom
3183 INVALID maxima-5.13.0-r0-do_configure
3184 FIXED [PATCH] reanimate xorg-app/mkfontscale recipies
3185 FIXED [PATCH] reanimate xorg-app/xkbutils recipie
3186 FIXED [PATCH] reanimate xorg-app/xlsfonts recipie
3187 FIXED [PATCH] reanimate xorg-app/xkbcomp recipie and add
xkbcomp-native
3191 FIXED openmoko-dates2-0.1.0+svnr640-r0-do_populate_staging
3194 WORKSFORME 2007-10-20 'bitbake gpe-image' failed on several
missing DEPENDS
3199 FIXED midori fails to build with syntax error in document.h
3202 FIXED Add a machine definition for MPC8323E-RDB
3203 FIXED updater.sh.tosa is a forbidden file
3206 FIXED Add uClibc configuration for MPC8323E-RDB
3207 FIXED Add linux configuration for MPC8323E-RDB
Bugs opened:
bug_id resolution short_desc
3181 Building Angstrom for x86 without IMAGE_FSTYPES defined in
local.conf results in error
3182 bb.data.setVar(PARALLEL_MAKE
3200 rm_work could do with the ability to specify specific packages to
keep
3174 sound problem over CE-RH2.
3175 Toshiba eseries kernel recipe
3176 empathy-0.14-r0-do_configure
3177 Sepukku.bbclass can't attach logs anymore
3178 binutils 2.18 / uclibc : linking error
3180 bitbake gtk+ fails on 20071020 (and back at least a week) due to
missing DEPENDS
3188 [PATCH] fix libx11-native package
3189 [PATCH] new fakeroot package to fix download failure
3190 [PATCH] fix mkfontdir-native download location
3192 Linksys WCF-11 Card works on OZ Opie
3193 source code of screeensaver unable to be downloaded
3195 can't mount cf card on collie
3196 gpephone-image fails on librecord due to problems in Makefile.am
and configure.ac
3197 Proposed keymap for Zaurus spitz and akita
3198 syslogd fails to start at boot with busybox 1.7.2
3201 Fix: missing dependency for xdm
3204 libxml2-2.6.29-r5: do_populate_staging: failed
3205 binutils-2.18-r1 fails to link with libiberty.a
3208 Tree 1.5.1 doesn't build
3209 Git fetcher failing on x86_64 installs (Fedora 7)
3210 minimo_cvs fails to build; cannot access nsBuildID.h
In total 24 bugs have been created and 17 bugs were closed.
So if people after reading this still refuse to file their bugs to the bugtracker: Learn to live with the problem, you don't want to invest time in a bugreport, so we wont to invest time in a fix, since we don't know the problem is there.
And I repeat, since it doesn't seem to sink in: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
I repeat again: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
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I changed my view on things a bit and edited post 2 of this thread.
Chero.
[size=](only fools never change their mind)[/size]
I'm going to go through this thread to see if it will help me with the X problems I'm wading through in trying to do the OABI + OABI thing. But it might change my mind also!
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No, there is nothing wrong in it.
I also remember things felt so difficult to set up as discussed in the "Uboot and Debian" thread months ago.
The major reason why I try the EABI is to find out how things may be different now. The kernels are newer. The installation steps seem less complicated. Many tricks and tips have surfaced. And of course the EABI performance is hard to resist ...
The Angstrom kernels are indeed great works thanks to the devs' ardent and clever improvement. (Despite the missing information for new users to get started)
And since last time my system screwed up, I was thinking to myself: "See? I've already tried quite a number of kernels and installation methods. Why not have a go with EABI? If things go bad I can always fall back to OABI because I am already pretty familiar with the process."
Right now I am writing the guide, including the bits for setting up EABI. Will post it later tonight.
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No, there is nothing wrong in it.
I also remember things felt so difficult to set up as discussed in the "Uboot and Debian" thread months ago.
The major reason why I try the EABI is to find out how things may be different now. The kernels are newer. The installation steps seem less complicated. Many tricks and tips have surfaced. And of course the EABI performance is hard to resist ...
The Angstrom kernels are indeed great works thanks to the devs' ardent and clever improvement. (Despite the missing information for new users to get started)
And since last time my system screwed up, I was thinking to myself: "See? I've already tried quite a number of kernels and installation methods. Why not have a go with EABI? If things go bad I can always fall back to OABI because I am already pretty familiar with the process."
Right now I am writing the guide, including the bits for setting up EABI. Will post it later tonight.
There's still nothing wrong in it - I only added some things I read here and in another thread.
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*SNIPPED*
There's a new & closed bug summary posted every week on the OE list for people that aren't on the buglog list.
It looks something like this:
Bugs fixed:
bug_id resolution short_desc
3135 FIXED 'unexport' attribute of variable still doesn't work sometimes
2714 FIXED [PATCH] lock mtd-utils to a specific git version so builds
will not break unexpectedly
*SNIPPED*
In total 24 bugs have been created and 17 bugs were closed.
So if people after reading this still refuse to file their bugs to the bugtracker: Learn to live with the problem, you don't want to invest time in a bugreport, so we wont to invest time in a fix, since we don't know the problem is there.
To be honest: it is a huge mistake to tell/force/indoctrinate/preach to your target users/clients to read this, especially if you are targeting "the world". This is no end-user support.
And I repeat, since it doesn't seem to sink in: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
I repeat again: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
Everybody knows that. Many many of us also go to other forums, mailing lists, wikis, web sites, what have you. Like many others, I have never treated *this* forum as MY forum. But for the Zaurus if you can tell me there is another better forum than this, do drop me a line. And I don't care how Angstrom is used in the rest of the world because I am not using those other things.
After all, a gadget, or several gadgets, only occupy a very tiny part in our life.
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So if people after reading this still refuse to file their bugs to the bugtracker: Learn to live with the problem, you don't want to invest time in a bugreport, so we wont to invest time in a fix, since we don't know the problem is there.
And I repeat, since it doesn't seem to sink in: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
I repeat again: angstrom (and OE) is not only about zaurusses, this forum in not the only forum in the world.
sorry, I can't resist to interfere.
I think that when we (at least I) have found a bug, that is not due to the user, we will file a bug report.
But, when we ask/discuss about a problem in a forum before doing so, a lot of problems happen to be no bugs but user problems. You see, that exactly is the benefit of a forum, without forums you would get lots and lots of bug-reports about non existing bugs. And I can assure you that is very discouraging cause you have to spend your time filtering the real bugs from the imagined ones. I really wish there was a community or a user-group using a forum about the CAD-apps I'm developing in real life. I can answer 90% of the questions they ask me with RTFM, but I point them to the correct page of the manual instead.
Let the forum exist and do what it's supposed to do : filter.
BTW : who ever claimed this was the only forum in the world ?
BTW : who ever told the devs to read through this forums to find bugs ?
But, when a dev does happen to read a user problem in a forum while occasionally passing by and he/she knows the solution, then I think that he/she can as well point the user in the right direction instead of making a laugh ...
Chero.
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After all, a gadget, or several gadgets, only occupy a very tiny part in our life.
My wife says other things about my gadgets, especially my zaurusses (zauri) ...
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And ...
I think, koen, you may have missed the big point of the enthusiastic discussions in this new Debian forum over this couple of weeks.
We do like the Angstrom kernels. If, as you think, these jerks just keep blaming Angstrom for the imaginary bugs or find faults with your fruit of hard work or simply get anti-social and delusional, then i am sorry, you are mistaken. We like the Angstrom kernels. What else are we playing with here?
Discussions in a forum is such a good thing, to us, probably not to you as the architect of the Angstrom. We tell each others about different possibilities. We share our experiences. We find a lot of fun using and playing with the Z in a friendly community. We don't expect the mighty Angstrom devs to come down and salvage the poor and ignorant souls. Even less do we expect the devs mock at us by not knowing (how come!) the deep secrets about kernel (for many of us it is just a black box).
We are discussing a lot of things, some may be bugs, many more may be user errors. This is just like every other forum in the world.
Have we spread our wild imaginary bugs around the world? Do we plot together against the great Angstrom project?
No.
But we keep poking around. And look, many of us have succeeded in getting Debian running, and with the Angstrom kernels (or their modified/patched builds).
And we do appreciate both Angstrom and Debian a lot.
If you feel uneasy about these unjustified and biased and lousy discussions, prove yourself and your good work in your website and your wiki.
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After all, a gadget, or several gadgets, only occupy a very tiny part in our life.
My wife says other things about my gadgets, especially my zaurusses (zauri) ...
+1
about my zaurus, my psp, and my nokia phone which is all but something to phone with
sometimes i wonder if i sell all that and buy only one device which can do all ..........
anyway, i'm now trying to have bluetooth working under debian eabi; nearly success i think; still some usual bluetooth pairing trouble though
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If you feel uneasy about these unjustified and biased and lousy discussions, prove yourself and your good work in your website and your wiki.
It is not *my* site and it is not *my* wiki, and writing docs is certainly not *my* job. I choose to work in system integration and bugfixing, not in documentation, someone that wants docs can write them themselves.
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..., someone that wants docs can write them themselves.
someone that needs docs, can't.
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That is amazing ...
Can you sell a linux distro to a client who is not nerd/guru/hacker but just any user joe in the world, and tell them "Since you're using my distro, according to the grand scheme of linux, you are obliged to write the manual for us." Isn't this even worse than RTFM?
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Right now I am writing the guide, including the bits for setting up EABI. Will post it later tonight.
Sorry to those who are waiting:
The first draft of the mega installation guide for all C-series models is finished and is now circulating among a few users who are already running Debian/Z. I will post version 2 in the forum this weekend. And I will add version 3 to the OESF wiki finally.
This is just about the installation part. It's very long (13 pages in Word) because it describes all the available installation methods using all the available kernels with both the OABI (the conventional Debian) and the new EABI (armel) system. I have to arrange some other time for writing the second part (FAQs).
Everyone is most welcome to hop on and help each other here.
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... (13 pages in Word) ...
Oops, what-a-mistake-a-to-make-a
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I uploaded kernel 2.6.23.1 for eabi patched with angstrom and cpufreq.
http://yonggun.tistory.com/57 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/57)
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Lovely! Now go flashing right away!
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Flash done!
A good piece of cake on Sunday morning.
Thanks for the kernel!!!
First i have to run ts_calibrate again to tune the stylus pointer.
The jumping pointer bug is gone!
I can write very freely in xorunal now!
Nice.
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Another benefit of the kernel installed this way with uboot on the Z :
You can perfectly dual-boot titchy (on SD) and debian armel (eabi on microdrive) or the other way around.
Endless fun,
Chero.
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20r0, can you post your patch sequence for building the kernel?
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I uploaded kernel 2.6.23.1 for eabi patched with angstrom and cpufreq.
http://yonggun.tistory.com/57 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/57)
Ah, and this one has the libertas module needed for my new wifi card (I hope it will work). But, no firefox? I suppose that also means no icedove or thunderbird? The angstrom feed has these things, but they are nonfunctional -- or were last I knew, and there wasn't a lot of interest then.
What about build environment? How much of the debian repository is available in armel??
So, when I get the nerve I guess this will be the way I go, but I happen to have a working machine now, and don't want to fsck that up.
Complete installation instructions are where?
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I uploaded kernel 2.6.23.1 for eabi patched with angstrom and cpufreq.
http://yonggun.tistory.com/57 (http://yonggun.tistory.com/57)
Ah, and this one has the libertas module needed for my new wifi card (I hope it will work). But, no firefox? I suppose that also means no icedove or thunderbird? The angstrom feed has these things, but they are nonfunctional -- or were last I knew, and there wasn't a lot of interest then.
What about build environment? How much of the debian repository is available in armel??
So, when I get the nerve I guess this will be the way I go, but I happen to have a working machine now, and don't want to fsck that up.
Complete installation instructions are where?
To answer my own post, iceweasel is available in armel --- just apt-get install iceweasel (not called firefox). This makes this option more viable, if I can actually install it without wasting a week.
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What about build environment? How much of the debian repository is available in armel??
So, when I get the nerve I guess this will be the way I go, but I happen to have a working machine now, and don't want to fsck that up.
Complete installation instructions are where?
There is a big guy pinned at the top of the forum. I've already emphasized that this is W.I.P., because it consumes quite a bit of time and energy for a layman joe to manage that.
That guy is just Part I (installation) of the story.
The basic afterinstallation bits will be up soon for testing and checking.
Part II is the FAQs, and it is supposed to be open to everyone here to write it. The plan is also to make it a demi-wiki thread.
Even though there is no draconian rule to force anyone to write about anything, but it is more fun if someone can join in the game. The more the merrier.
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well well,
now that my debian eabi is working quite well, i wonder now what version i should use : oabi or eabi ?
on one side we have oabi, which works pretty good although slower than eabi, but quite all packages i've tried were working with just an apt-get (including firefox2...)
on the other side, we have speedy eabi, but with lots of broken packages, some as important as mutt, pidgin, etc....
so i'm really asking myself if i should continue on eabi, switch back to oabi, or ...... try angstrom again...........
what do you think, you zaurusgeeks ?
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I would stay with EABI. For one thing I am the kinda "need for speed" user. So it is hard for me to let my Z go back to slower way.
There are two solutions to the broken packages in EABI:
1) Report this to the relevant place (mailing list?)
2) Make our own packages (set up a custom feed)
AFAIK building under EABI is way faster than under OABI, so I suppose rebuilding is not so undoable.
Even though most ARM packages work, but not all work so perfectly. It seems resource taxing programs, like gimp, games, audio-visual apps, may run a bit sluggishly in OABI.
And the others?
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I'll stick to EABI for now, now I got finally got X configured, I'm beginning to like it ...
Anyway, it is the future, isn't it ?
Chero
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Chero, I see your signature says 2.6.22.9, or are you using 2.6.23.1 now?
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Chero, I see your signature says 2.6.22.9, or are you using 2.6.23.1 now?
2.6.22.9 now.
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There are two solutions to the broken packages in EABI:
1) Report this to the relevant place (mailing list?)
2) Make our own packages (set up a custom feed)
whow! i've just tried to compile mutt from sources...
mutt compiled faster than speed and it works !
whow! well i think debian eabi is now jpmatrix certified now we've to start a global package compilation process
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Yes, I also just got my compilation toolbox set up. Time to reap the fresh meat apart...