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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: kkazakov13 on November 25, 2007, 04:23:36 am
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Wow ... noone wrote anything here a lot of time ... no activity ... what is going on ?
I saw some guys that were active here, posting a lot in oesf/debian forum ... are we moving there ? is pdaXrom dying ?
I guess it will remain in the archives as very successful distribution ... but dead.
Almost no activity in the devel list for months ... this should speak enough ...
Sad times for pdaXrom ... this used to be my favorite distro so far (well, beta3 was the most stable x11-based distro I've encountered)
Maybe it's time to try debian ? ... seems things are going great there.
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Hi :-)
Did you look on the pdaxrom.org site? There's a nice and busy roadmap on here (http://www.pdaxrom.org/?q=node/228)
NO ... pdaxrom ist not dying ... I think there are many working Z units on the world ... now waiting for new pdaXrom release ... maybe / sure InSearchOf is the most busy developer in the last few month! THANKS to him ...
I hope a new testing image will come up soon (for my c860) doing some tests
Martin
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Well,
I would not call it "dying" or "dead", but "sleeping" maybe ...
I just flashed my C1000 back to beta3 because it is the most stable X-release I know and I want to be using ...
There are still new packages being added to the feeds on a weekly base, so it ain't dead.
Debian has some benefits :
- I use two repos and can apt-get it all (almost)
- recent kernel with recent hardware support
- it works the same on the Z as on the desktop (and people feel "at home")
- it uses standard locations for libs and files so more packages can be compiled "out of the box"
- very active development (repos get upgraded almost every day)
There are some downers to it as well :
- broken packages
- no gui-s to change zaurus specific settings (not through apt-get at least)
- it takes up lots and lots of space
The downside of pdaXrom is the somewhat older kernel and the split up feeds. You need to use it for quite some time before you know where to get what. The good thing about is
- that it really is all there (once you found it)
- it needs less space (it's amazing how much packages you can install on 121Mb flash).
- it has a perfectly working "right-click" support
- it has gui-s to configure things
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I still believe there are a lot more users than the ones you see posting here ...
I like debian on the Zaurus, but I wouldn't want to miss pdaXrom. My dream-team on the zaurus would be dual-booting pdaXrom and debian.
Long live pdaXrom !!
Chero.
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Well,
I would not call it "dying" or "dead", but "sleeping" maybe ...
I just flashed my C1000 back to beta3 because it is the most stable X-release I know and I want to be using ...
There are still new packages being added to the feeds on a weekly base, so it ain't dead.
Debian has some benefits :
- I use two repos and can apt-get it all (almost)
- recent kernel with recent hardware support
- it works the same on the Z as on the desktop (and people feel "at home")
- it uses standard locations for libs and files so more packages can be compiled "out of the box"
- very active development (repos get upgraded almost every day)
There are some downers to it as well :
- broken packages
- no gui-s to change zaurus specific settings (not through apt-get at least)
- it takes up lots and lots of space
- broken packages
=> well, that's not an issue for me - i compile everything i need.
- no gui-s to change zaurus specific settings (not through apt-get at least)
=> but you can change everything, right ? I don't use guis at all anyway.
- it takes up lots and lots of space
=> the space is not an issue with the microdrive 6G or with 16G CF.
What about the speed at all ? I heard it's faster ? EABI ?
The downside of pdaXrom is the somewhat older kernel and the split up feeds. You need to use it for quite some time before you know where to get what. The good thing about is
- that it really is all there (once you found it)
- it needs less space (it's amazing how much packages you can install on 121Mb flash).
- it has a perfectly working "right-click" support
- it has gui-s to configure things
- ...
I still believe there are a lot more users than the ones you see posting here ...
I like debian on the Zaurus, but I wouldn't want to miss pdaXrom. My dream-team on the zaurus would be dual-booting pdaXrom and debian.
Long live pdaXrom !!
Chero.
I agree on the plusses. However - I _really_ miss the newest and coolest things. I can say that pdaXrom Builder is not in usable state for me or anyone else who tries it ( except , as it looks , for InSearchOf ). It just gots broken on so stupid places!
This means that I _cannot_ develop for pdaXrom, even if I want to. I wanted to fix a lot of things, but I can't.
pdaXrom-latest for my opinion is not stable in any mean.
I'm also tired of messing so much with the core to make an OS running. I want to _simply_ use it. I'm hardcore linux user in the normal life - doing every config in the config files on my machine with slackware-current (always current), don't get me wrong.
I will try debian soon when having some time.
After this, there are to me 2 options:
1. Flash back to pdaXrom beta3 and update with my script and get my _really_ working system (but not that updated) back.
2. Keep playing with debian.
option 2 will happen if debian is a bit stable, I can run X on it, and few simple programs that I use daily. Oh, and mplayer with 640x480 support would be nice, as I have it on my beta3
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No flame, ever.
About pdaXrom...
Martin: Don't you know that kkazakov13 is one of the pdaXrom devs?
I agree, as Chero says, that pdaXrom is sleeping, as it has always been.
Perhaps it's my problem, but I don't want to sound like a pain. I just can't bear my Z getting stranded in an indeterminate state of (half-)fixing after almost one full year of the formation of the new pdaXrom dev team.
True, there are the hotfixes, but still the hotfixes (mostly Meanie's wonderful work) are for the still very experimental r198/198 builds and not fixes for a final release. And new (and nontrivial) issues keep popping up.
The biggest thing that pdaXrom falls short of is the up-to-dateness of the system, including everything from kernel to shared libraries to individual apps. This of course can be remedied to some extent by the "contrib" feeds, as long as there remain a (small) group of ardent and loyal contributors doing all the (re)compiling tasks manually.
Then again, my experience is from time to time there were issues to get my desired program compiled, because of missing components in the toolchain, or old versions of the essential libraries (like GTK2 and QT -- rebuilding them implies a total reinventing of the wheel.), or too many missing/broken dependencies.
A couple of weeks ago I did a careful check of all the contrib packages in the pdaXrom's "Package Announcements" thread, and I find most of those programs are existing in Debian, with the few left which can be compiled easily.
And after switching to other distros (first openbsd, now debian), I got rather confused by the versioning and fixes for different forks. I know many of the tricks apply across the board, but I can imagine if I pick up pdaXrom again I will have to pick up a lot of hacking from scratch.
I fully agree that the biggest advantage of pdaXrom is its compactness.
Perhaps there is some fundamental difference between what hackers enjoy and expect and what ordinary users are eally looking for?
As for Debian/Zaurus ...
Debian indeed takes up a lot of space. Well, nothing comes for free, and the distro doesn't take that much space for no reason.
The situation of broken packages is only transitory, imho. As the repos get updated frequently and regulary, and (re)compiling things on board is just as easy as on desktops, fixing the broken dependencies is simple a matter of time and effort (and contributions from the users).
Documentation-wise, Debian users will never run out of references.
GUI system configuration tools? The gpe-conf stuff and some existing Debian packages already cover this.
Keybinding of mouse right-clicking: i've got used to the yonggun way of mapping the first three round keys in the bottom row as the mouse buttons. Yet I suppose it is not an insurmountable problem to come up with the same mouse-button keybinding as in pdaXrom (ask yonggun and cortez?)
Speedwise, I can't tell much difference between pdaXrom and Debian EABI, after testing and running those big apps (firefox, gimp, gnumeric, etc.).
Apt-get and ipkg are worlds apart.
What else isn't working? I have no idea yet...
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- broken packages
=> well, that's not an issue for me - i compile everything i need.
Honestly (and a pity), the Debian toolchain is far more usable than the pdaXrom's. You can first apt-get build-essential, then apt-get build-dep, and finally apt-get -b source PACKAGE. Things work just like quenching your thirst from a drink vending machine...
New ports/versions for EABI? Easy and dirty. Steal any necessary file structure, control, postisnt, postrm, desktop file, desktop icons, customized config ... what have you from existing packages (e.g. ARM packages, pdaxrom and even angstrom), drop the compiled stuff in there. dpkg -b PACKAGE. voila.
- no gui-s to change zaurus specific settings (not through apt-get at least)
=> but you can change everything, right ? I don't use guis at all anyway.
Same here.
- it takes up lots and lots of space
=> the space is not an issue with the microdrive 6G or with 16G CF.
A much cheaper 8GB CF will do the job just fine.
What about the speed at all ? I heard it's faster ? EABI ?
No obvious difference.
I agree on the plusses. However - I _really_ miss the newest and coolest things. I can say that pdaXrom Builder is not in usable state for me or anyone else who tries it ( except , as it looks , for InSearchOf ). It just gots broken on so stupid places!
This means that I _cannot_ develop for pdaXrom, even if I want to. I wanted to fix a lot of things, but I can't.
pdaXrom-latest for my opinion is not stable in any mean.
I'm also tired of messing so much with the core to make an OS running. I want to _simply_ use it. I'm hardcore linux user in the normal life - doing every config in the config files on my machine with slackware-current (always current), don't get me wrong.
I think it is not what pdaXrom can't do. The key is always team work and project management.
I will try debian soon when having some time. After this, there are to me 2 options:
1. Flash back to pdaXrom beta3 and update with my script and get my _really_ working system (but not that updated) back.
2. Keep playing with debian.
option 2 will happen if debian is a bit stable, I can run X on it, and few simple programs that I use daily. Oh, and mplayer with 640x480 support would be nice, as I have it on my beta3
It is no zero-sum game. You can easily run both pdaXrom r1xx and debian eabi (with yonggun kernel) with uboot.
(mplayer also plays videos fullscreen in debian eabi)
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Martin: Don't you know that kkazakov13 is one of the pdaXrom devs?
Well ... I cannot say that I'm a real pdaXrom developer - as I was _unable_ to do any developing. All I _can_ do is packaging stuff for beta3 - the most stable version for me.
It is no zero-sum game. You can easily run both pdaXrom r1xx and debian eabi (with yonggun kernel) with uboot.
(mplayer also plays videos fullscreen in debian eabi)
I don't want to run pdaXrom 1xx and debian EABI - I would like to run pdaXrom b3 and debian EABI. pdaXrom 1xx is in not usable state for me. Tried it a lot of times and there are still few key things broken.
Angstrom ... well tried this lately , too - same thing - a lot of things simply BROKEN. I know, I know, it's a beta, alpha, etc software, and the devs are working. But I don't want to lose all my time constantly trying all the distros to find any that works.
About mplayer - that's good news. Really. If this works, It can win my heart.
The other variant is to sell the zaurus and buy something else - probably N810 ... at least it comes with a lot of support (what support from Sharp have Zaurus???), and things that you cannot find somewhere else yet (say, Skype for linux for example). Don't forget to mention the built-in wifi, bluetooth, gps ... key hardware missing in Z.
I just hope debian will be far more stable than pdaXrom ... and, please - don't tell me that there's some active development for pdaXrom, because there isn't. Just see how often someone posts on the devel list of pdaXrom and this will tell you much.
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I'd argue that pdaX is more moving in fits and spurts when people have time to do stuff rather than sleeping, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. I know I haven't done much of the dev work I'm supposed to be doing yet because I somehow lost the code I was working on (not that there was much done), and haven't been motivated to restart it yet.
As for Debain, I don't see what the big deal is. Outside of a huge repo of packages, pdaXrom wins.
R198 works fine for me (the builder definately needs improvement, though), so where are all of these bugs you people are complaining about? My keyboard works, I don't have random crashes, it's fast, and software builds/installs/runs fine. It even installs much faster/easier than Debian (I spent some 6 hours trying to get a working Debian install going, and have spent maybe 1 doing all of my reflashes of r198). The only thing I see as missing is BVDD (hopefully replaced-ish with an Angstrom patch).
Hopefully that wasnt too rant-ish and answered some quesitons or was at least semi-helpful
EDIT: Perhaps there are no posts here recently because a: It's the weekend and b: There are no issues that need posting about.
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My keyboard works, I don't have random crashes, it's fast, and software builds/installs/runs fine. It even installs much faster/easier than Debian (I spent some 6 hours trying to get a working Debian install going, and have spent maybe 1 doing all of my reflashes of r198). The only thing I see as missing is BVDD (hopefully replaced-ish with an Angstrom patch).
Well ... if that's all you need, you should be fine.
However, I want stable and working wifi, bluetooth. not to mention that I had real problems with the date loses and such ... not to mention that mplayer isn't pxa optimized ... not to mention that fbpanel was some kinda broken and things that just annoyed me ... why is so hard to simply have working distro? that's the thing I don't like about pdaXrom - not much active developers. Yes - okay, i'm a inactive developer too, but one day I spent 8 hours trying to do this builder to run and gave up. How I can contribute?
Anyway ... looks simply the things are frozen for now, which is bad
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No problems with data loss here, and Wifi works fine for me (WPA worked as well the one time I tested it). I haven't tried BT.
As for FBPanel, just switch WMs to IceWM, Xfce, or EvilWM (a great choice!).
Things aren't frozen. InSearchOf apparently has the kernel work done and a lot of other stuff moving along nicely.
To contribute, find something that irritates you and fix it. Then upload your change to SVN. Or write docs, or whatever. I don't have the builder running, and I'm working on an all-in-one app to replace the GUI config tools and maybe the package manager (they're so slow!).
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No problems with data loss here, and Wifi works fine for me (WPA worked as well the one time I tested it). I haven't tried BT.
As for FBPanel, just switch WMs to IceWM, Xfce, or EvilWM (a great choice!).
Things aren't frozen. InSearchOf apparently has the kernel work done and a lot of other stuff moving along nicely.
To contribute, find something that irritates you and fix it. Then upload your change to SVN. Or write docs, or whatever. I don't have the builder running, and I'm working on an all-in-one app to replace the GUI config tools and maybe the package manager (they're so slow!).
Interesting conversation. I'd pretty much concluded that Beta3 based stuff was the functional state of the art for the Z--I'm not really interested in running most of debian ( pr r198, or Anggstrom)and having "sort of" functionality (I listen to music and watch video on my Z, so the multimedia stuff counts) spent some time last night thinking about putting the microdrive back in the 3100 and selling both Zs for an N810--so far I'm not convinced it is worth the trouble; I suspect I'd get the n810 and find something at least as annoying as a Z annoyance...but we'll see
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@all
thanks for those replies :-) ... now I don't know he's a developer :-( ... I read the post with the notes of the new dev team after my last post ...
I own a c860 and know someone who owns a nice c3100 ... but he uses original sharp image ... not able to replace because he is only user and needs a stable Z :-)
Hope to help and maybe I will donate some $ (€) ... is there a pdaxrom paypal acount for donating?
How fare is it away to get a first alpha / beta image for new pdaXrom ... yes I have read (seen) the roadmap table watching the going on forward of kerneldev an notes of InSearchOF :-)
Martin
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My impression is that this release is to stop the alpha/beta cycle, so it seems kind of backwards to have an alpha or beta of it, to me at least. That's not saying that there won't be one, as it's not my decision. I'm guessing the stable release will be out in 3-6 months (don't hold me to that, it's an unofficial estimate), but I don't know for sure.
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I should've said what was unsaid in the last post.
I didn't say that pdaXrom is not cool. I for one am still look forward to the upcoming release. Then I can dualboot both pdaXrom and debian and make full use of every MB of space.
If different distros can boot on different media then I'd say they are not really competing with each other but just alternatives and more fun.
So please don't stop working on this great project!
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Are the embedded Debian binaries stripped? Just wondering how much space they take up and why they take up as much as they do.
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Are the embedded Debian binaries stripped? Just wondering how much space they take up and why they take up as much as they do.
debian takes up more space because all the man pages are included. also the apt-get subsystem is more sophisticated than the ipkg sub-system and thus stores more data for its package management system. You will see that the cache for that is several megs in size compared to several ks. there are lots of other files that the traditional zaurus distros stripped away because they waste space, but debian being 100% GNU/GPL compliant puts all the mandatory license files, readme files, etc... onto the disk when installed.
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along the lines of pdax and debian:
I was reminded of pocketworkstation recently-- I hadn't used it in well over a year, and had thought that maybe Klauss had abandoned it. I thought I'd give the pdaX/Pocketworkstation thing a go with pdaxii13v2 and the "new" (to me--been out a while) version 1.0 of PW. I did the usual install and added a couple config lines as detailed in the debian on pdaxrom thread (i think that was the name). Edited my sources list to add security and backports upgraded--edited the sources to etch-and now I have etch living in /usr/debroot. Iceweasel (firefox2) and nvu both run just fine.
With the kde squashfs stuff and pocketworkstation installed on full pdax113v2 (with a lot of packeges added) I think I may have made a breakthough in "Heavy/Stable" configs
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I personally like both PdaXrom and Debian. I would love to have PdaXrom 198 +SP8 on the Nand and Debian on the SD ... with the ability to choose which I wanted to use. It would be cool to have PdaXrom there to recover from that one too many apt-get dist-upgrade snafoo's for instance -lol-. I personally am growing to like u-boot, just need to be able to dual-boot at some point
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I personally like both PdaXrom and Debian. I would love to have PdaXrom 198 +SP8 on the Nand and Debian on the SD ... with the ability to choose which I wanted to use. It would be cool to have PdaXrom there to recover from that one too many apt-get dist-upgrade snafoo's for instance -lol-. I personally am growing to like u-boot, just need to be able to dual-boot at some point
definitely--a tweaked pda/media nand based 2.6 combined with debian on mass storage would be fabulous--
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I personally like both PdaXrom and Debian. I would love to have PdaXrom 198 +SP8 on the Nand and Debian on the SD ... with the ability to choose which I wanted to use. It would be cool to have PdaXrom there to recover from that one too many apt-get dist-upgrade snafoo's for instance -lol-. I personally am growing to like u-boot, just need to be able to dual-boot at some point
definitely--a tweaked pda/media nand based 2.6 combined with debian on mass storage would be fabulous--
After struggling for hours and hours to get any EABI system on my 860 I finally gave in and tried
u-boot and r197 + sp8 yesterday.
WOW! It just works! Angstrom may be moving faster, but moving alone doesn't cut it.
How much easier is u-boot than the ever changing updater from angstrom.
Thx for pdaXrom! Now I'm going to learn how to compile for it and my little Z is alive again.
(and when I could try dualbooting with debian on SD ... that would be cool!)
For the moments to come pdaXrom will stay on my machine. Keep the good work going!
detlef
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http://tyrannozaurus.com/?q=wiki/Main_Page (http://tyrannozaurus.com/?q=wiki/Main_Page)
Check there for compiling and packaging instructions for pdaXrom.
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For me, I would like to say that I am still a devout follower of the church of PDAX. However, I am in many ways an end user. I dabble a bit and I can figure my way around. I know linux and prefer it over windows. However, I don't program and all of my compliling experiences have ended up being miserable failures. I read the forums daily but it got to the point where I felt bad asking questions because I give next to nothing to the community.
PDAX is not dying, it's just a slow point. it happens with everything
--Fish
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I read the forums daily but it got to the point where I felt bad asking questions because I give next to nothing to the community.
There's nothing to feel bad about. As long as the questions you're asking are not ones that have obvious answers that can be found with a quick google or a search of the archives then ask away.
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There's nothing to feel bad about. As long as the questions you're asking are not ones that have obvious answers that can be found with a quick google or a search of the archives then ask away.
You make an excellent point with Google, even for searching the archives. I've had much better experience using Google and specifying the oesf site in the search parameters, than using the oesf site directly. Unless I'm missing something in the oesf search options, it seems that oesf only returns the thread and not the specific posts that contain the search hits. This is a real pain if the thread is long.
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I haven't responded in this because I was getting into all the comments posted and I'm worried that they would stop once I post... Now... I will say pdaXrom is not dead... I've just been VERY busy... very very busy... and it has been pushed to the back burner... but it isnt dead... :-)
Late
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Unless I'm missing something in the oesf search options, it seems that oesf only returns the thread and not the specific posts that contain the search hits.
Use the advanced search options. Click on the "Search" link (top right corner), click on "more search options".
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Yep, to follow up on the advanced search options: Just check the "show results as posts" under "Result Type" in the lower right.
IOS, would there be some alternative way to keep the project running more regularly, say by getting more devs involved actively and giving them more control, instead of putting the project to sleep when you are too busy? After all it is not just a program but an entire distro.
Or how about making a release candidate with (Meanie's) hotfixes incorporated?
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Actually ZDevil, Meanie has incorporated his patches already... they have been incorporated for MONTHS now... and they were incorporated by himself! He has the power to do so... All the devs have the power to due so... Each and every dev has to power to do everything I can do.... We have a LARGE roster of devs, but most devs are pretty busy... But a lot of it is people waiting on me to finsh up with kernel work (sorry I'm a perfectionist) but that fact that I dont have a lot of time... I cant just sit down and stare at code for hours.
So... this isnt me being the "Holder of the Code" it is everyone just being busy with life... just like I am
Late
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I see...
Perhaps it is not such a bad idea to make the bugfixed releases "official" in pdaxrom.org? Or the current r198 is already the one with Meanie's hotfixes (so it's actually different from the initial r198 release)? Sorry to ask this but I don't see the different versioning...
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Meanie started making his hotfixes compatiable with r197/198 after there releases so they do not have the hotfixes. Thinking about it... that is a good ideas to add to pdaXrom.org I will get a hold of the data and upload it and make it available ASAP.
Late
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That will be cool, if the very first page of pdaxrom.org says an updated pdaXrom release is available. This will be good both for existing users, newcomers and those who used to pdaxrom and are considering to switch back (I for one, if the current eabi kernel can get along with the current pdaXrom). And people may not need to go through the pain to sort out the posts which are miles deep/long in order to see the fruits.
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No problems with data loss here, and Wifi works fine for me (WPA worked as well the one time I tested it). I haven't tried BT.
As for FBPanel, just switch WMs to IceWM, Xfce, or EvilWM (a great choice!).
Things aren't frozen. InSearchOf apparently has the kernel work done and a lot of other stuff moving along nicely.
To contribute, find something that irritates you and fix it. Then upload your change to SVN. Or write docs, or whatever. I don't have the builder running, and I'm working on an all-in-one app to replace the GUI config tools and maybe the package manager (they're so slow!).
Interesting conversation. I'd pretty much concluded that Beta3 based stuff was the functional state of the art for the Z--I'm not really interested in running most of debian ( pr r198, or Anggstrom)and having "sort of" functionality (I listen to music and watch video on my Z, so the multimedia stuff counts) spent some time last night thinking about putting the microdrive back in the 3100 and selling both Zs for an N810--so far I'm not convinced it is worth the trouble; I suspect I'd get the n810 and find something at least as annoying as a Z annoyance...but we'll see
The Nokia's are a joke. I tried, to convert over. Had a n800. I shipped it off to Ireland today. Trading a dude for a c3200! Nokia is treating the n800/810 like Sharp did the Zauri right before they dropped them. They don't really listen to the end users. They come with cameras, but there's really no usable applications for them. They claimed it would work with google talk, but then they pulled the software because it was too buggy. They just released a new os for the n800, which is what the 810 comes with, then they all went on vacation. Then the update server crapped out. Now they're saying just wait till we get back from vacation! If the comp-usa is still open down in Anchorage, and they are giving them away, maybe get one then. I wouldn't waste your money though.
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Lol, niace to see you back, and Happy Holidays from the sunny south
I gave up on the nokia--right now I'm running pdaxii13v2 on my 3100 with cheap 16gb cf, and watching the buzz on the google android thread. debian +android would rock, assuming I can get everything working (which is a big assumption).
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Lol, niace to see you back, and Happy Holidays from the sunny south
I gave up on the nokia--right now I'm running pdaxii13v2 on my 3100 with cheap 16gb cf, and watching the buzz on the google android thread. debian +android would rock, assuming I can get everything working (which is a big assumption).
Thanks! It's actually been a pretty decent winter so far. It hit -44 for a couple days, but now it's back up to the -1's.
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I differ on the opinion with Nokia's treatment of the n800/n810/n770 compared to SHARP's treatment of the Zaurii.
For starters, they are making the newer rom compatible with the older machines, to varying degrees.
Their product refresh cycle is much more aggressive than SHARP and isn't the Nokia IT's rom open source, compared to the close sourced version of SHARP? (at least the kernel part of SHARP rom is closed source etc).
About going off on a holiday, I speak with envy when I say that on my previous project with them on their backend business system, I learnt that they really do disappear for weeks if not months during the winter months to get some sun in other countries, if not to go skiing. Interesting, if not strange, culture, but hey, if they continue producing great products running linux, I don't give a hoot about how and when they spend their hols!
Lastly, I really hope they don't go the way of SHARP on the InternetTablet. It would be a great pity. Good news for us is that the multitude of umpcs or sub-lite-micro-notebook like the eeepc, nanopc etc runs on linux and so should at least keep the linux platform viable for another few years. Once enough of these products gain traction, then Nokia would have more reasons to stay the course and continue the development of the InternetTablet.
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Their product refresh cycle is much more aggressive than SHARP and isn't the Nokia IT's rom open source, compared to the close sourced version of SHARP? (at least the kernel part of SHARP rom is closed source etc).
Unfortunately not. Nokia goes much further than SHARP, but they still have a bunch of binary only components in their firmware -- which is especially unpleasant for 3rd party distribution builders.
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DEAD! Film at 11?
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Unfortunately not. Nokia goes much further than SHARP, but they still have a bunch of binary only components in their firmware -- which is especially unpleasant for 3rd party distribution builders.
How is the Angstrom building going for the Nokia tablets? Pardon my ignorance, as I'm sure it's quite obvious and I just haven't looked.
DEAD! Film at 11?
I must admit I'm fearful that the distro will cease to be developed at this point, but am not ready to call it dead.
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Thanks! It's actually been a pretty decent winter so far. It hit -44 for a couple days, but now it's back up to the -1's.
I thought it was cold in the Chicago area this morning (low single digits). Thanks for the reality check.
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Thanks! It's actually been a pretty decent winter so far. It hit -44 for a couple days, but now it's back up to the -1's.
I thought it was cold in the Chicago area this morning (low single digits). Thanks for the reality check.
Yea, but you have that cool thing called humidity, and lake effect snow. Fairbanks is an arctic desert. So it's cold, but not that crappy penetrating cold you get. I'll be moving to Ohio next month, so I'll have to get used to the weird weather that's been happening there. My wife is there now and said the guy that lives across the street mowed the lawn three days ago! It snowed the next day, and now they're calling for 50's by this weekend. Freaking strange.