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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Debian => Topic started by: ZDevil on December 07, 2007, 08:19:50 am
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Today I bought an Eee PC 4GB (just ~375 usd) for my sister, together with a Toshiba SDHC 8GB (just another ~55 usd). I inserted the SDHC in the SD slot of my 3200, dmesg shows this:
mmc0: card 8001 removed
mmc0: unrecognised SCR structure version 1
mmc0: new SDHC card at address 7302
mmcblk0: mmc0:7302 SD08G 7864320KiB
mmcblk0: p1The card does mount and I can read and write on it!
Now i am really tempted to buy a new one for myself.
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Today I bought an Eee PC 4GB (just ~375 usd) for my sister, together with a Toshiba SDHC 8GB (just another ~55 usd). I inserted the SDHC in the SD slot of my 3200, dmesg shows this:
mmc0: card 8001 removed
mmc0: unrecognised SCR structure version 1
mmc0: new SDHC card at address 7302
mmcblk0: mmc0:7302 SD08G 7864320KiB
mmcblk0: p1The card does mount and I can read and write on it!
Now i am really tempted to buy a new one for myself.
whow i'm impressed ! i thought we could never add brand new device to our zaurus
now perhaps SDIO card would work too no? ....
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what ? you bought an eee ?????????
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Oh, the Eee PC is for my sister. I will keep it first for a couple of days to do some fine-tuning (and to satisfy my hunger for geekiness...). There is a lazyeeepc package which unlocks some very cool hidden functions, such as being able to apt-get install debian packages directly.
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So, 2or0, is this the magic of the yonggun kernel?
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This sounds like a cool little item, but I have a few questions.
1- Could the 4GB HD be replaced with a higher capacity CF card?
2- How is the touch and feel of the keyboard ... I know my Kohjinsha keyboard really sucks. I have to literally "poke" the keys to get them to register. Also the pics on newegg.com seem to suggest the Eee has an English (United States) keyboard... would this be correct?
3- Does the SD card sit flush when installed like it does in the Zaurus, or does it stick out like the Kohjinsha? Also will it take the conventional SD cards, because I have a lot of them.
Thanks,
Doug
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now perhaps SDIO card would work too no? ....
Great! My Toshiba SDHC class 4 4G card works also! Copy files in & out is positive, but cant do much tests as its belong to my DLSR. Wonder if hardware design confines the interface speed. ZDevil, can u do benchmark tests (Come on, yours's new haha ) ?
As for SDIO, I tried a Eagletec SD Wifi card but dmesg shows nothing. Well, the positive side is that my Z still responds with the card, while in Sharp, pdaxrom etc the Z simply freeze up.
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... How is the touch and feel of the keyboard ... I know my Kohjinsha keyboard really sucks. I have to literally "poke" the keys to get them to register.
Your kohjinsha should be the SA series? My SH6 keyboard is great. Actually, I'm replying with it right now!
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Your kohjinsha should be the SA series? My SH6 keyboard is great. Actually, I'm replying with it right now!
Right, the SA1F00A.
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This sounds like a cool little item, but I have a few questions.
1- Could the 4GB HD be replaced with a higher capacity CF card?
2- How is the touch and feel of the keyboard ... I know my Kohjinsha keyboard really sucks. I have to literally "poke" the keys to get them to register. Also the pics on newegg.com seem to suggest the Eee has an English (United States) keyboard... would this be correct?
3- Does the SD card sit flush when installed like it does in the Zaurus, or does it stick out like the Kohjinsha? Also will it take the conventional SD cards, because I have a lot of them.
1. Probably not. The SSD and the CF card have different form factors, afaik.
2. The keyboard feels great. It's just like any other USB extenal keyboard. I can type pretty fast despite my big figures. But you may have a hard time if you have long nails. I got mine here is Hong Kong, and the keyboard layout is the ordinary US type.
3. The SD card is fully inside the card slot. And yes, any MC, SD and (many) SDHC will do,
(Now replying using my (sister's) new Eee PC 4G, sitting beside my C3200 )
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Great! My Toshiba SDHC class 4 4G card works also! Copy files in & out is positive, but cant do much tests as its belong to my DLSR. Wonder if hardware design confines the interface speed. ZDevil, can u do benchmark tests (Come on, yours's new haha ) ?
Here you go...
The followings are the simple benchmarking using hdparm -tT three times for each card, done on my C3200 (debian sid).
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This is the test result of SanDisk Ultra II SD
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.02 seconds = 82.24 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.67 seconds = 1.63 MB/sec
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 164 MB in 2.01 seconds = 81.55 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.66 seconds = 1.64 MB/sec
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.03 seconds = 81.95 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.67 seconds = 1.63 MB/sec
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This is the test result of Toshiba SDHC 8GB
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 164 MB in 2.00 seconds = 81.94 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.32 seconds = 1.81 MB/sec
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.02 seconds = 82.14 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.33 seconds = 1.80 MB/sec
/dev/mmcblk0p1:
Timing cached reads: 164 MB in 2.01 seconds = 81.74 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.33 seconds = 1.80 MB/sec
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This is the test result of Hitachi Microdrive 6GB
/dev/hdc1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.02 seconds = 82.18 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.24 seconds = 1.85 MB/sec
/dev/hdc1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.01 seconds = 82.70 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.14 seconds = 1.91 MB/sec
/dev/hdc1:
Timing cached reads: 166 MB in 2.02 seconds = 82.03 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.20 seconds = 1.87 MB/sec
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This is the test result of SanDisk Extreme III 16GB (now the internal disk)
/dev/hda1:
Timing cached reads: 164 MB in 2.02 seconds = 81.21 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.26 seconds = 2.45 MB/sec
/dev/hda1:
Timing cached reads: 162 MB in 2.01 seconds = 80.78 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.30 seconds = 2.42 MB/sec
/dev/hda1:
Timing cached reads: 162 MB in 2.00 seconds = 80.92 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 8 MB in 3.31 seconds = 2.42 MB/sec
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There is clearly a hardware limitation to the read/write speed, because ...
This is the result of the same Toshiba SDHC 8GB on the Eee PC:
/dev/sdb1:
Timing cached reads: 592 MB in 2.00 seconds = 295.56 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 46 MB in 3.08 seconds = 14.94 MB/sec
/dev/sdb1:
Timing cached reads: 528 MB in 2.01 seconds = 263.16 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 46 MB in 3.08 seconds = 14.95 MB/sec
/dev/sdb1:
Timing cached reads: 364 MB in 2.00 seconds = 181.79 MB/sec
Timing buffeared disk reads: 42 MB in 3.10 seconds = 13.55 MB/sec
(Replying using my C3200 with Epiphany-browser )
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1. Probably not. The SSD and the CF card have different form factors, afaik.
2. The keyboard feels great. It's just like any other USB extenal keyboard. I can type pretty fast despite my big figures. But you may have a hard time if you have long nails. I got mine here is Hong Kong, and the keyboard layout is the ordinary US type.
3. The SD card is fully inside the card slot. And yes, any MC, SD and (many) SDHC will do,
(Now replying using my (sister's) new Eee PC 4G, sitting beside my C3200 )
Now I'm getting hungry for one.
Newegg.com has the 4GB Surf for 349.99.
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From looking at the photos here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=34-220-261-17.jpg%2c34-220-261-18.jpg%2c34-220-261-03.jpg%2c34-220-261-04.jpg%2c34-220-261-16.jpg%2c34-220-261-06.jpg%2c34-220-261-07.jpg%2c34-220-261-08.jpg%2c34-220-261-09.jpg%2c34-220-261-10.jpg%2c34-220-261-11.jpg%2c34-220-261-12.jpg%2c34-220-261-13.jpg%2c34-220-261-14.jpg%2c34-220-261-15.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=0&Description=ASUS+Eee+PC+4G+Surf+-+Galaxy+Black+Intel+processor++7%22++WVGA++Integrated+Graphics) at newegg, there appears to be a single button the full width of the touch-pad, instead of right/left buttons.
Could you comment on that please?
Thanks for the info,
Doug
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From looking at the photos here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=34-220-261-17.jpg%2c34-220-261-18.jpg%2c34-220-261-03.jpg%2c34-220-261-04.jpg%2c34-220-261-16.jpg%2c34-220-261-06.jpg%2c34-220-261-07.jpg%2c34-220-261-08.jpg%2c34-220-261-09.jpg%2c34-220-261-10.jpg%2c34-220-261-11.jpg%2c34-220-261-12.jpg%2c34-220-261-13.jpg%2c34-220-261-14.jpg%2c34-220-261-15.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=0&Description=ASUS+Eee+PC+4G+Surf+-+Galaxy+Black+Intel+processor++7%22++WVGA++Integrated+Graphics) at newegg, there appears to be a single button the full width of the touch-pad, instead of right/left buttons.
Could you comment on that please?
True. There is only one long button below the touch pad. It functions as the right click mouse button.
To scroll you can swipe your finger along the right side on the touch pad, which needs some getting used to. The touch pad is very sensitive and easy to use.
I strongly recommend installing the lazyeeepc package (http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/?Queue=863), which unlocks some very cool features, including apt-get (all debian i386 packages!), RMVB decoder and skype 2.0 video version.
With the full desktop mode you have a full KDE desktop environment that does the same things as in other distros.
So I don't see any urgent need to install other distros.
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Thanks ZDevil for all the helpful information.
I think I'm going to get me an Eee, probably the el-cheapo model without the webcam because I have no need for it and it'll save me 50 bucks.
Or I could spend the extra 50 bucks and get a webcan I don't want plus a higher capacity battery that will give me another half-hour of battery life.
Hmm... the extra battery life isn't worth an extra 50 bucks, but an extra battery would be worth it.
I particularly like the fact that a Linux distro comes pre-loaded and configured, although I'm not familiar with Xandros.
But if it has a full KDE desktop environment it's got to be good.
Regards,
Doug
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True. There is only one long button below the touch pad. It functions as the right click mouse button.
I've read a few reviews that state the mouse button is sort of a rocker style button.
Press the right end for right-click ... press the left end for left-click.
Also, I would expect a tap on the touchpad is a left-click like any other touchpad, but I haven't read that anywhere yet.
Doug
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True. There is only one long button below the touch pad. It functions as the right click mouse button.
I've read a few reviews that state the mouse button is sort of a rocker style button.
Press the right end for right-click ... press the left end for left-click.
Also, I would expect a tap on the touchpad is a left-click like any other touchpad, but I haven't read that anywhere yet.
Doug
That is correct, the bar is a rocker and it performs both the left and right mouse click. I love my E, but unfortunately haven't touched my zaurus since.
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I've been booting my C1000 with Debian EABI off of a Lexar 4GB SDHC card for about a week now...the latest Angstrom kernels recognize it without problems.
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Younggun kernel does not recognise my 8GB SDHC Card is it a Kernel issue? Or maybe only 4GB is possible?
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If 4GB SDHC works, then there's no hardware reason that 8GB and up won't; it's purely a driver issue. Hopefully it will be fixed at some point, as I'd love to get a 16GB card working
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I agree, if it access the 4gb it should just be a matter of time for the masterful 2or0. For me its all good news, debian's coming along nicely on the Z (LOVE having a mini-laptop) and expandability still available to be discovered gives me hope for its future as a community machine.
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I strongly recommend installing the lazyeeepc package (http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/?Queue=863), which unlocks some very cool features, including apt-get (all debian i386 packagesI am used to installing things on my zaurus (!), RMVB decoder and skype 2.0 video version.
Well, I received my Eee PC 4GB Surf a couple days ago and I have managed to make some modifications to my personal preference.
I downloaded the lazyeeepc file, but I have no idea how to install it or use it once installed (the download site is in Japanese so I can't read it).
I am used to installing things on my zaurus (sharp rom), but I'm kind of in the dark about a lot of things on the eee.
I appreciate any help you can give me on this.
Thanks,
Doug
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I strongly recommend installing the lazyeeepc package (http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/?Queue=863), which unlocks some very cool features, including apt-get (all debian i386 packagesI am used to installing things on my zaurus (!), RMVB decoder and skype 2.0 video version.
Well, I received my Eee PC 4GB Surf a couple days ago and I have managed to make some modifications to my personal preference.
I downloaded the lazyeeepc file, but I have no idea how to install it or use it once installed (the download site is in Japanese so I can't read it).
I am used to installing things on my zaurus (sharp rom), but I'm kind of in the dark about a lot of things on the eee.
Well, first of all, it's no Japanese but Chinese (traditional characters)
It is extremely easy to install (that's why the package is so named):
#0 Download the lazyeeepc package and the updated rmvb codec from http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/...load/?Queue=863 (http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Download/?Queue=863)
#1 Just uncompress the tarball in EeePC (don't do that on a Windows box as it will mess up the file permission)
#2 After extraction you'll see the directory "lazyeeepc-0.0.4". There are two things in it: lazyeeepc.py and the "scripts" directory.
#3 Copy the updated rp9codecs to lazyeeepc-0.0.4/scripts/multimedia/ and replace the original one.
#4 Fire up a terminal ([Ctrl] [Alt] t); cd lazyeeepc-0.0.4 && ./lazeeeepc.py ... there you go
#5 A selection window pops up asking you which component to install. Just check everything under every tab on the left. Then hit Apply to proceed.
#6 If installation is successful, you'll be asked to reboot the machine. After reboot, many nice new things will start working, including apt-get install stuff from the official Debian repo (Etch).
Why not continue the discussion in the dedicated thread on Eee PC in the General forum?
I couldn't resist the temptation (or need for a real productive setup -- perhaps life is too precious for hacking too much on the Z) and bought a black 701 today. Will start carrying it to the library to do some real work tomorrow after the battery has got its virgin full charge.
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ZDevil,
Thanks for all the help.
Regards,
Doug
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Whats the attraction of the E? Its not nearly as small as the Z, infact there are more than a few laptops out there with similiar specs (older yes).
Compaq M300 (thin and about the same exact size - cheap on ebay)
Panasonic CF-17 & M34 (heavier, touch screen same footprint size - usually around the same price on ebay)
Thinkpad 240x (about the same exact footprint - cheap on ebay)
Sony Vaio PCG-C1VPK (which is slightly smaller than the E ... though more expensive)
Toshiba's Libretto family (various models).
Just seems to me at its size the E isn't that special, all of the above are full blown machines with plently of potential. I use a M34 for work assignments at work, I have a friend with a full debianised 240x... etc. I looked at the reviews and battery life is low too me for a solid state machine (m34 gets 5 hours average). Not trying to be negative, sorry if it seems so ... just curious what the buzz is about these, too me they seem like watered down alternatives. The very reason I bought and latter upgraded too a newer Z is because I could POCKET the device and walk anywhere with it. If its not pocketable then I already have one of the best alternatives out there. Just love walking to anyplace and being able to dig out the Z work on something and put it coozy back in my pocket.
Back on topic, bought a 4gb SDHC card, things work fine. Ebayed an 8GB A-Data for a nice price, looking forward to testing it on the Z. Will report back when it gets here.
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Whats the attraction of the E? Its not nearly as small as the Z, infact there are more than a few laptops out there with similiar specs (older yes).
Compaq M300 (thin and about the same exact size - cheap on ebay)
Panasonic CF-17 & M34 (heavier, touch screen same footprint size - usually around the same price on ebay)
Thinkpad 240x (about the same exact footprint - cheap on ebay)
Sony Vaio PCG-C1VPK (which is slightly smaller than the E ... though more expensive)
Toshiba's Libretto family (various models).
Just seems to me at its size the E isn't that special, all of the above are full blown machines with plently of potential. I use a M34 for work assignments at work, I have a friend with a full debianised 240x... etc. I looked at the reviews and battery life is low too me for a solid state machine (m34 gets 5 hours average). Not trying to be negative, sorry if it seems so ... just curious what the buzz is about these, too me they seem like watered down alternatives. The very reason I bought and latter upgraded too a newer Z is because I could POCKET the device and walk anywhere with it. If its not pocketable then I already have one of the best alternatives out there. Just love walking to anyplace and being able to dig out the Z work on something and put it coozy back in my pocket.
Back on topic, bought a 4gb SDHC card, things work fine. Ebayed an 8GB A-Data for a nice price, looking forward to testing it on the Z. Will report back when it gets here.
Re the eeepc-- I think part of the buzz had to do with the initial low price - which was promptly inflated. a very cheap very light laptop would be nice, wouldn't it? That it was offered running linux was cool, too -except it is some goofball corporatized variant with some GPL violations, apparently, rather than a standard (read free and supported) distro like debian or ubuntu or gentoo or slack. So, it was a sorta fictitious product that caught our attention- a cheap ownable (non-green) OLPC sort of tiny linux laptop. By the time it hit the shelves the buzz was on- though the product wasn't quite what we expected.
Looking foward to hearing about sdhc progress. A big sdhc might make me reconfigure. the microdrive dedicated to OS and swap with a big sd doing data would be a good setup.
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Me too, though I have found the 4GB to be fairly spacious atm. Just feel a need to push the barrier.
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Whats the attraction of the E? Its not nearly as small as the Z, infact there are more than a few laptops out there with similiar specs (older yes).
Compaq M300 (thin and about the same exact size - cheap on ebay)
Panasonic CF-17 & M34 (heavier, touch screen same footprint size - usually around the same price on ebay)
Thinkpad 240x (about the same exact footprint - cheap on ebay)
Sony Vaio PCG-C1VPK (which is slightly smaller than the E ... though more expensive)
Toshiba's Libretto family (various models).
Just seems to me at its size the E isn't that special, all of the above are full blown machines with plently of potential. I use a M34 for work assignments at work, I have a friend with a full debianised 240x... etc. I looked at the reviews and battery life is low too me for a solid state machine (m34 gets 5 hours average). Not trying to be negative, sorry if it seems so ... just curious what the buzz is about these, too me they seem like watered down alternatives. The very reason I bought and latter upgraded too a newer Z is because I could POCKET the device and walk anywhere with it. If its not pocketable then I already have one of the best alternatives out there. Just love walking to anyplace and being able to dig out the Z work on something and put it coozy back in my pocket.
Back on topic, bought a 4gb SDHC card, things work fine. Ebayed an 8GB A-Data for a nice price, looking forward to testing it on the Z. Will report back when it gets here.
Re the eeepc-- I think part of the buzz had to do with the initial low price - which was promptly inflated. a very cheap very light laptop would be nice, wouldn't it? That it was offered running linux was cool, too -except it is some goofball corporatized variant with some GPL violations, apparently, rather than a standard (read free and supported) distro like debian or ubuntu or gentoo or slack. So, it was a sorta fictitious product that caught our attention- a cheap ownable (non-green) OLPC sort of tiny linux laptop. By the time it hit the shelves the buzz was on- though the product wasn't quite what we expected.
Looking foward to hearing about sdhc progress. A big sdhc might make me reconfigure. the microdrive dedicated to OS and swap with a big sd doing data would be a good setup.
The price inflation really depends on where you get it. Everything becomes expensive in a place with high exchange rate and sales/import tax.
GPL violation? I think the situation is more serious for the distros for the Z. Asus has released a full source recently after receiving complaints on the web. Ignorant (though not malicious i reckon) as they are, at least they respond to the justified complaints and do something to make up for their mistakes.
Why is the EeePC so attractive? It has the genuine form factor of a sub-notebook, and runs much much smoother and faster than the Z. There are things which will never happen on the Z: Skype, flash playback, rmvb, to name but a few. And it is pretty light and very portable (of course not as pocketable as the Z), just like a 400+ page octave hardcover book. It is not that (jacket-)pocketable, but it doesn't feel like a pain at all to carry it around, compared to my macbook (2.2kg!).
Indeed there are a lot of alternatives out there, but the EeePC stands out because of the very competitive price (my black 701 costs just 385 USD -- cheaper than a new or even a second-hand Z), hence a superb price/performance ratio.
Is the default distro (Xandros) non-standard? I wouldn't say so. It runs Icewm in the "Easy Mode" and KDE in the "Full Desktop Mode". It can apt-get install from the standard Debian Etch i386 repos. There is also a customized eeexubuntu (http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home) which is among the most promising project.
Few laptops have generated so much buzz like eeepc. In the eee user forum (http://www.eeeuser.com/) you see as much enthusiasm as the OE forum. It's wiki (http://wiki.eeeuser.com/) is very well-organized and informative.
And more importantly, hacking this beast is more straightforward than doing so on the Z.
I am not religious about any gadget. Yet this kind of sub-notebooks has always been one of my dream machines, since the days of handheld PCs (especially Sigmorion III). The Kohjinsha series is gorgeous, but the price (double to triple the price of an eeepc) and the keyboard are two big stoppers to me.
IMHO apart from pocketability the Z does not really have any big advantage. Hacking this beast has never been an easy task.
But it doesn't mean that I will give up my buddy Z. Real life experience and productivity (vs. sheer pride in hacking for the sake of hacking) will tell me which path I want to follow.
Back on the topic: I am going to hunt down a Transcend 8GB SDHC, which is selling at around 48 USD. Will report here if it works on my Z. I need this card anyway because it will be part of the permanent disk on my EeePC. There is not such severe bus bandwidth limitation as found on the Z.
My 2 cents.
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I can see that point, ZDevil. Its why I have my M34, for real work to get done. Just love my Z, and its portability is what makes it even worth the collectors price we pay to get one. They cost too much for what they are, no doubt about that too me. Many laptops for about the same price with much higher specs. Personally I was almost drawn in by the Nokia N810 ... (cover the Z's eyes and ears).
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[I hadn't known they released source-that changes things some
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Tried today:
Panasonic SDHC 4Go Class 2 with my C3000 : success !!
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This is way off topic, but let me just add as a former long time user of a Sony Vaio PCG-C1VP, they are awesome machines (despite all the Sony proprietary BS)! Once you have everything tweaked they are very nice Linux boxes. You can even play OpenGL games on them. I wanted a smaller system though so, my picturebook ended going my sister in law and I got a Z.