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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Sharp ROMs => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 14, 2004, 10:47:15 pm
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I remember not too long ago that sashz blew a coronary artery about Proto using code without \"crediting\" its originators. To this day sashz continues to be angry about this.
Well, looking at sashz\' new ROM and kernel, all this work, including the applet was never credited to its original authors. The ones who put thier heart and soul into making the new ROM/kernel a reality were never \"thanked\" for thier great work.
Please see the hard work of Tetsu and Piro:
The patches that were used (including the applet):
http://www.piro.hopto.org/~piro/zaurus/ (http://www.piro.hopto.org/~piro/zaurus/)
http://tetsu.homelinux.org/zaurus/kernel/index.html (http://tetsu.homelinux.org/zaurus/kernel/index.html)
http://www.piro.hopto.org/~piro/pukiwiki/pukiwiki.php (http://www.piro.hopto.org/~piro/pukiwiki/pukiwiki.php)
You may wish to use babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) to see the text and the technical explanations in english.
Many of these new functions by sashz were \"borrowed\" from Tetsu and Piro without any statement of thanks or credit to these individuals who worked so hard to offer this new functionality. I find it quite interesting to see how \"angry\" sashz was for Proto \"using\" some of his code without mention of cacko, yet he turns around and does the EXACT same thing to Tetsu and Piro.
This is not meant as a flame, but more as a reality check.
Hey maslovsky and sashz, how about crediting the authors of much of the new functionality in your new ROM? Who are the thieves now?
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agreed, although i would hate to see sash stopping to work on qtopia roms again because of an unintentional flame war :-) Thankz tetsu, prio, sashz, maslovsky, proto and offroadgeek (who runs zug??) and all those random z developers....
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why can\'t someone just create a quick page in the wiki with credits to those who contribute to our great ROMs and software? there can be one for the sharp rom for example... that way people can add to it as they customize away....
\"onewhocares\" - you say that your post was not meant as a flame, yet you choose to use words like \"who are the thieves now\"... come on people, let\'s start putting a little more thoughts into our posts.
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Perhaps that last comment was a bit sharp. My apologies.
But, I just find it terribly ironic when that whole TKC \"thing\" went down and yet Cacko has been doing the exact same thing.
To this day sashz is firing off insults, yet he does exactly what he got so darn angry about.
OffRoadGeek, don\'t you think people should be aware of this? Don\'t you find this a bit hypocritical? Its almost sad.
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if you old zaurus member (from spencer\'s forum), you must know what we made lil hacking for Zs too, and it now in all ROMs, we never hide it from ppl and it also available from our sitez, unlike kompany, who can stole only ideas and put it under their label.
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its me
-sashz
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Yeah, kind of like what you did to Tetsu and Piro, huh sashz? We don\'t see too much of a difference now do we?
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Yeah, kind of like what you did to Tetsu and Piro, huh sashz? We don\'t see too much of a difference now do we?
OneWhoCares == Tetsu or Piro? no? Call me back if there [will] your work. no? shut up and go out.
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Call you back? Hehe, yeah, you gonna pay the long distance bill?
I didn\'t say I was Tetsu or Piro, I am just One-Who-Cares.
Sashz, stop being a hypocrit. You did EXACTLY what you claimed Proto did. Proto gave \"lil hacks\" to the community and borrowed your stuff, and even apologized and gave you credit. Have you done the same to Piro or Tetsu? No you have not.
Why does this anger you so? Why not just give thanks to Piro and Tetsu, and agree that you screwed up? You can\'t hide from this one sash. You did the same thing. At least Proto was man enough to acknowledge his mistakes. Are you man enough?
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Stuff like this doesn\'t help the community at all.
I\'d like to thank the Cacko team and pronto for their hard work. I run pdaXrom on my c760 and tkcrom on my sl5600. Both are very good in their own way.
These anonymous posters are going to keep pouring fuel on this fire until neither group wants to have any more releases. Very sad.
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Call you back? Hehe, yeah, you gonna pay the long distance bill?
kiss my ass, we never got money from it, just for fun, because our primary task with Sharp ROM was localization. Now we have new ROM, which not based on Sharp ROM or OE/OZ. Its why i finished with Sharp Qtopia.
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kiss my ass
Nice way to talk in these forums sashz. Nice language. You can\'t handle the truth, now can you? It hurts when you whine about something, yet are guilty of what you whine about.
Lets try a litttle experiment. Lets see if the mods chastise you for your fowl mouth, sashz. Lets see if they play by thier own rules and moderate your language.
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So sashz, not that you are here, please address the community. Are you going to give credit where credit is due? Or are you going to be a hypocrit?
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Please sashz, address your fans.
[img]http://www.pdaxrom.org/pics/team/sash_sm.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
HYPOCRIT
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its me, who is you? well,. i know - OneWhoFlamers, OneWhoLamerz or OneWhoShamez?
-sashz
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I\'m grateful to everyone who\'s worked to make my Z better. OneWhoCares hasn\'t helped at all, to my knowledge. Flaming anyone who contributes to the Z community is bogus. Close this thread. Delete it, even.
sriley
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who is me? One-Who-Cares - one who cares about you being a hypocrit and explaining to the community that you are at fault for plagerism. How many times do you need this posted?
Slash, put your hypocracy where your foul mouth is. Explain about your Crapcko ROM and how you ripped off Tetsu and Piro without crediting them. Can\'t do it can ya? I didn\'t think you could.
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I\'m grateful to everyone who\'s worked to make my Z better. OneWhoCares hasn\'t helped at all, to my knowledge. Flaming anyone who contributes to the Z community is bogus. Close this thread. Delete it, even.
sriley
sriley, did slash help? Is it ok for slash to make a stink about plagerism, yet is guilty himself? Is it ok for slash to cuss? Why don\'t you get on slash\'s case? If you think \"Flaming anyone who contributes to the Z community is bogus\", then why don\'t you jump on slash for flaming proto and others? Seems kind of one sided to me.
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That was me :-)
OneWhoCares
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That was me :-)
OneWhoCares
stupid cares, you real lamo like blablabla when you will have our results, will talk with me.
/rename topic to \"Sashz fan club\"
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me even think this karies one of stupid russians who flames with me on rus Z forums. me right?
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I\'m grateful to everyone who\'s worked to make my Z better. OneWhoCares hasn\'t helped at all, to my knowledge. Flaming anyone who contributes to the Z community is bogus. Close this thread. Delete it, even.
sriley
sriley, did slash help? Is it ok for slash to make a stink about plagerism, yet is guilty himself? Is it ok for slash to cuss? Why don\'t you get on slash\'s case? If you think \"Flaming anyone who contributes to the Z community is bogus\", then why don\'t you jump on slash for flaming proto and others? Seems kind of one sided to me.
you real idiot if think what only kernel make Z better
-sashz
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look dates on old devnet forums and look who hacked C7x0
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~sashz (maybe soon will take new nick slash, really nice nick from karies)
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...another reason to get rid of anon posting :S
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Can\'t we all just get along?
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Could someone please lock this thread?
This is getting ridiculous.
Abed
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I think that all the different roms uses different pathces and fixes across - the only problem that Sash had was the fact that some people wanted money for a ROM.. All the donations pdaXrom has received are being used for buying new Z\'s and web traffic.
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you real idiot if think what only kernel make Z better
What else did you add? Just wireless extensions? Who is the idiot?
me even think this karies one of stupid russians who flames with me on rus Z forums. me right?
Naw. Me english isn\'t that bad :-)
(maybe soon will take new nick slash, really nice nick from karies)
Steal something else without permission? :-)
I think that all the different roms uses different pathces and fixes across - the only problem that Sash had was the fact that some people wanted money for a ROM.. All the donations pdaXrom has received are being used for buying new Z\'s and web traffic.
How did Proto want money for a ROM? It seems to me that cacko wants money. This link seems quite interesting: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr) . It comes right from his web page for donations, along with his bank account number.
And the difference is? It surely doesn\'t seems all that different from TKC.
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Sorry, link was wrong:
http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=5&menuid=4 (http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=5&menuid=4)
Look at Make a Donation and the bank account number.
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Sorry, link was wrong:
http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=5&menuid=4 (http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=5&menuid=4)
Look at Make a Donation and the bank account number.
fuck off stupid bitch, you real idiot
-sashz
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I\'m drunk....but I read this and I am sober...you guys out there have made my zaurus better than I could have ever hoped....you are gods to me.....no really you are.....you don\'t know how good you are.
It\'s not about who does what....its about the big picture....we are together and we are strong, we can do any thing. What do you care about? yourselves or the community?
I don\'t mean to patronise but OnewhoCares, tell us really why it hurts you so much and who you are.
I guess if you can\'t then you are really a green slimey toad who doesn\'t deserve the time of day.
Like I said I\'m drunk and I\'m all for honest discussion.........
btw I\'m adam and I\'m about to register.
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I\'m a little confused here, but I didn\'t think either rom was charged for...
imho donations are donations and i think it hurts the open source comunnity if u start lumping as a charge for something...
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fuck off stupid bitch, you real idiot
-sashz
Showing your true meaningless self? Have anything more powerful to say? :-)
I don\'t mean to patronise but OnewhoCares, tell us really why it hurts you so much and who you are.
I guess if you can\'t then you are really a green slimey toad who doesn\'t deserve the time of day.
Well adam, you seem a bit of a hypocrit to. Did you get on slashz\' case when he attacked TKC? No you did not. Yet it upsets you that I pointed out that slash was also guilty. You can\'t acknowledge this. I already told you who I am. How many times does this need to be done?
I\'m a little confused here, but I didn\'t think either rom was charged for...
imho donations are donations and i think it hurts the open source comunnity if u start lumping as a charge for something...
Amen. This is the whole point. So why are people such as Laze making excuses for slash? Way back when slashz made his claims on TKC, nobody got angry at him for his use of foul language or his flames. Everyone just let it slide. But with slash now being the guilty party, why is everyone so angry at me for pointing out his guilt? Why does it anger a few members here? Is it because they are afraid thier precious slash won\'t build ROMs anymore. Trust me, he leaves, another will take his place. Lets all try to be consistent here. Thsi goes for the moderators as well. They should publically point out slashz\' postings break some of thier rules. Lets see if they let him know he is breaking the rules.
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if you seen , proto stole our rom 1.17,
and put there TKC ROM label, understand? you stupid pig.
ROM is complex task, not only kernel.
outr rom work nice on any kernel , even on stock sharp kernel,
idea of X11 rom - ATI accelerated XServer and X11 environment - you can
say again, me stole it , but you must suck - because you - idiot and lamer
-sashz
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if you seen , proto stole our rom 1.17,
and put there TKC ROM label, understand? you stupid pig.
ROM is complex task, not only kernel.
Are you saying the incredible work that went into Piro and Tetsu was \"less hard\" than your lousy ROM? You HAVE to be kidding me. The XRom was just a recompile of the X environment, how the heck does that compete with the incredible C coding and driver writing of Tetsu and Piro? You are nothing but a glorified re-compiler.
You did the same thing. You stole from Tetsu and Piro and placed your stupid Crapcko label on it. No difference. You are GUILTY!
you can
say again, me stole it , but you must suck - because you - idiot and lamer
Haha, more intelligent comments. Well, I don\'t need to say you stole it, because you did. Come on slash, claim you stole it and this is over.
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I can\'t believe that this is what you are fighting about. This has to be the stupidest thread on this whole board. You keep attacking slash, like it\'s going to further the development on the Z. I wish that you would just drop it. You keep throwing around everyones name like you have furthered the development on the Z. The ROM is not Crap. It\'s actually a great achievement. Thats the great thing about Open Source. Everone can implament it in there \"distros\" You keep acting like it\'s something new. Do you actually think that the developer for every little thing is givin props? Come on. I\'m sure that slash hasn\'t dropped names because the site is still in progress. You keep flaming slash/and the rest of the cacko/pdaxrom crew like you have something to do with it. For the sake of the Z give it up. You don\'t have involvment so you don\'t have a say. If Tetsu and Piro want to bring it up with slash then it\'s there beef. You are acting like an idiot with no cause.
-devestate
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kiss my ass again , sucking bitch,
you can write all what you want,
because you havent real facts.
Amen
~sashz
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Really this is the most meaningless thread in the whole forum - this morning.
But without taking sides or anything - and as someone who cared about the community, has been a part of it (in a very sidelined role I must admit) since the times of the first zauruszone forum (since before Sharp), and still uses the work of the cummunity greatly for my own benefits - I must say my consience says the what onewhocares says is not untrue - it may have no value to adding something to the community, but he has not pointed out anything untrue (if what he says abut Piro and tetsu is true).
So much as we all stand behing sash and his team- we have every reason to stand behind him - since his X11 and Cacko ROM\'s have benefited us all - there is no reason to
1) firsly condone those foul mouthed posts (i dont think that his sashz himself posting and if he is - I am a bit dissapointed)
2) secondly deny or not give credit where it is due - that doesnt in any way take away from the cacko team\'s great work
(since maslovsky in the post below says they have not denied anything any such thing - makes perfect sense to me - I take this point away)
3) to blame onewhocares for pointing his finger at a very valid ommision - he is totally right in doing so I believe - as much as no good that be to the community.
lets just carry on - he has made his point - no reason to give excuses or foul mouthing him off .
theres going to be many such valid and not-so valid complaints in the future too and I thing the sash team can only try to take it more in their stride and deal with it more diplomatically. Thats all.
Not to say that I support the kompany\'s efforts to make profit out of the community work - but proto was an outside element - even though linked in some way to the Kompany.
So I am not going to be judgemental here - I cant really without having contributed as much to the community as sash/cacko/maslovsky/laze and others have done, all I am saying is lets end this thread in a more graceful manner.
And I cant blame onewhocares for being graceless (if ever there is such a word)
:wink:
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Hello everyone!
I realy did not want to joint this pointless discussion, but looks like I have to.
I don\'t think that everyone fully understands the whole point. The main reason sash started that old time thread was that proto (or whoever did the TKC ROM opn his behalf) just grabbed Cacko ROM build source and started making his own ROM without even mentioning that. And when sash pointed that out, proviging a few proofs, proto kept saying that he did not take Cacko ROM as a base...
Where do you see us saying \"no, we did not use anyone else\'s patches and applications\".
Now let\'s take wireless/preemptive and other \"special\" kernels that are discussed in these forums. I dont remember anyone mentioning where those kernel patches come from. If we follow your logic, we should call people who built those kernels theives as well because they used someones patches...
Do you see the difference? We never stated that everything that we\'ve added to the ROM is developed by us. As well as most of the patches and applications added to the OZ, for example, are not developed by two people (Mikey and kergoth).
who is me? One-Who-Cares - one who cares about you being a hypocrit and explaining to the community that you are at fault for plagerism. How many times do you need this posted?
Why are you so afraid to tell your name? The only reason I can see is that you somehow affiliated with TKC and feel jealous that TKC ROM is not that popular...
I think it\'s pretty obviouse why you added this post. And it\'s obviouse what you care about...
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Just for the folks who are new here, the same thing happened when Proto released the tkcRom. He was abused to no end. The only difference was he finally gave credit to those who contributed.
Nothing new in this thread. Each time a ROM is released this happens (for both Cacko and Proto). Sad but true.
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Just for the folks who are new here, the same thing happened when Proto released the tkcRom. He was abused to no end. The only difference was he finally gave credit to those who contributed.
Nothing new in this thread. Each time a ROM is released this happens (for both Cacko and Proto). Sad but true.
No it was not the same thing. Proto never admitted that he used Cacko ROM sources to build TKC ROM. We never say that we don\'t use other sources to create the ROM.
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Sashz,
Пошли этого мудака на ... Человек не понимает разницы между - это его проблемы.
Dear OneWhoCares,
If you do not see the difference between including some applet in your release and relabling someone\'s work then there is nothing to talk about.
Also, do you have a right to represent the authors of that applets? If not then you should contact them and have them talk to Sashz if they have any issues. I am sure they will be able to resolve it without any problems and give credit where it is due. I am also sure they do not need any help from someone like you acting on their behalf.
AK
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Пошли этого мудака на ...
Да он в общем-то так и делает ))
Человек не понимает разницы между - это его проблемы.
Да все он понимает - это явно кто-то из той конторы, злятся просто
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I\'m sorry everyone... I\'m at a work conference, and haven\'t been able to view the forum much...
this thread is now closed. this is absolutely ridiculous... how can anyone see this as a constructive criticism or a productive conversation.