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Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on February 28, 2008, 08:48:46 am
Hi Guys,

I found this  http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html)

Who is working on this and when will it be available?


"The Next Generation Zaurus distro - Linux 2.6 and EABI

There currently is a lot of work being done on creating newer and better distros for the Zaurus based on the 2.6 kernel. Work on pdaXrom is still ongoing and has progressed to version r198. It still is full of annoying bugs. OpenZaurus is no more. It has been abandoned in favour of its successor, Angstrom. There has been some progress made in Angstrom which is also based on the latest 2.6 kernel as well as EABI. It is currently still in an unstable state. Debian has also been revamped and the new version is also using EABI and 2.6 kernel. There is no Debian installer for armel build for Zaurus yet, but it is possible to boot Debian for the Zaurus using a combo of bootloaders and custom 2.6 kernels. The future for a 2.6 kernel based distro on the Zaurus seems to be either with derivatives of Angstrom or Debian which are build using OpenEmbedded. Binaries compiled for each should be binary compatible, but library dependencies will be an issue.

pdaXng will be the next generation of pdaXii13 but build on top of a stable 2.6 kernel and updated libraries. It will retain the look and feel of pdaXrom but not be based on the pdaXrom code base and definately not use uboot."
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: urkden on February 28, 2008, 09:07:14 am
It's a great pleasure to see that Meanie hasn't stopped his work. This is exactly what I`ve been dreaming longgg time.

Can't wait to install it.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on February 28, 2008, 12:31:34 pm
....and Meanie gets it exactly right again:) (and has the skills to implement his analysis)
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: jpmatrix on February 28, 2008, 05:52:56 pm
...just the day i'm selling my zaurus  

anyway don't forget you can yet "play" with debian on your zaurus, with kernel 2.6.24, and it is to me very usable
(just lacking a real web browser with java but it is a matter of time)

then once Meanie release his NG (Star Trek style!), it should be only a matter of untaring a new rootfs!
unhopefully i won't see it ... unless my ebay auction doesn't complete
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Jon_J on February 28, 2008, 07:53:37 pm
I'm checking out Meanie's updated page now.  This one is linked to the above one, (at the very bottom)
http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/pdaxiing.html (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/pdaxiing.html)

This looks very interesting.
I'm just wondering where Meanie has been lately? I haven't seen him on this forum since last year. (2007)

Just curious,
Jon
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: BarryW on February 28, 2008, 11:11:35 pm
Cool!  Something to play with later.  Hey jp, if your Z does sell, and you get the bug, let me know.  I have an extra Z I could let go fairly cheap.      I've currently stopped playing with the Z in favor of my new iPhone.     My wife buys me the coolest toys.  She and our room mate both got the new (to ATT anyway) palm centro's.  They got them so they could use the Readerware software on them and she hasn't really used it at all yet.  Though she's using the hell out of every thing else.  Which is cool.  I've been watching the Android Zaurus page pretty closely too.  I've got the older version running on the 3100.  Pretty neat, but not real usable yet.  Have Meanie's pdax on the 3200.  I think once Android is up and running on real phones it might give the iPhone a run, but by then we should have 3rd party apps without hacking.  The iPhone and my apple tv are really the only things in the house I haven't taken apart or hacked yet!  Though the apple tv might.  Haven't decided yet.  I might throw a larger drive in it.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: jpmatrix on February 29, 2008, 05:58:08 am
Quote from: BarryW
Hey jp, if your Z does sell, and you get the bug, let me know.  I have an extra Z I could let go fairly cheap.  

well il depends on how i'll like my new machine  i'm still waiting for it  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on March 02, 2008, 02:20:25 pm
Quote from: jpmatrix
Quote from: BarryW
Hey jp, if your Z does sell, and you get the bug, let me know.  I have an extra Z I could let go fairly cheap.  

well il depends on how i'll like my new machine  i'm still waiting for it  

What can I do to help Meanie with this release?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: BarryW on March 02, 2008, 04:40:52 pm
Quote from: axeTail
Quote from: jpmatrix
Quote from: BarryW
Hey jp, if your Z does sell, and you get the bug, let me know.  I have an extra Z I could let go fairly cheap.  

well il depends on how i'll like my new machine  i'm still waiting for it  

What can I do to help Meanie with this release?


Send him money so he doesn't have to have a real day job!  That's a joke, but probably not far from the truth....
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Martin on March 03, 2008, 03:50:01 am
Hi

any chance for installing NG or debian on c860 with sf / cf card ... I'm heavely wating for a usable distro on my Z ... pdaXrom still stopped, waiting for something internal???

What about angstroem distro ... how stable it is for Z ? any new compilations after 12-2007? I've seen some image for my small simpad SL-4 ... but not able to install ...

THX for all your work ...
Martin
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ecc_hy on March 11, 2008, 12:57:41 am
I need a stable kernel 2.6 and support zaurus' special functions, like speedstep, etc.
And a native compile.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ScottYelich on March 11, 2008, 10:12:02 pm
and .. Qt 4?

Zaurus is dead.

I do like my new iPhone, though.

Scott
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on March 11, 2008, 10:19:16 pm
Quote from: ScottYelich
I do like my new iPhone, though.
I think there are a LOT of people here who would disagree...

My Zaurus still boots, runs apps, and isn't locked down, FWIW. I fail to see how it constitutes as "dead."
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on March 11, 2008, 11:12:00 pm
Don't need QT4 at all.  Why would you think so?  Of course, it will be compiled for the Z.  How is the OSS software on that i-phone?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: BarryW on March 12, 2008, 09:51:00 am
Quote from: adf
Don't need QT4 at all.  Why would you think so?  Of course, it will be compiled for the Z.  How is the OSS software on that i-phone?


I like my iPhone too.  Probably the best phone I've ever owned.  Still like my Z, even though at the moment it's just an expensive paper weight.  Freaking debian.....
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ScottYelich on March 12, 2008, 03:15:07 pm
Bah, I wasn't trying to say that the iPhone is
*better* than the Z or whatever.  I liked the Z,
but the support just evaporated.  It had such
potential, but now mine has been a paper weight
for over a year.

Scott
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ecc_hy on March 13, 2008, 02:49:42 am
zaurus is total different with iphone.
iphone is modern, suitable for end user, supported by commercial company now.

As a linuxer, those advantages of iphone is not the whole world.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Martin on March 13, 2008, 03:04:49 am
Hi :-)

Quote from: ecc_hy
zaurus is total different with iphone.
iphone is modern, suitable for end user, supported by commercial company now.

As a linuxer, those advantages of iphone is not the whole world.

I agree :-) ...

iPhone is nice and pretty ... but closed (source) and bundled (with itune) ... I buy my CDs DVDs in store NO download !

my c860 is open and I like to develope on / for it ... have alternate free software ... no bundling with closed access

Martin
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ArchiMark on March 13, 2008, 11:01:55 am
Quote from: ScottYelich
Bah, I wasn't trying to say that the iPhone is
*better* than the Z or whatever.  I liked the Z,
but the support just evaporated.  It had such
potential, but now mine has been a paper weight
for over a year.

Scott

Scott, what 'support just evaporated'???

Never knew that there was really any 'support' for the Z's other than this community here...

Unless you live in Japan....

 
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: BarryW on March 13, 2008, 12:57:26 pm
Quote from: Martin
Hi :-)

Quote from: ecc_hy
zaurus is total different with iphone.
iphone is modern, suitable for end user, supported by commercial company now.

As a linuxer, those advantages of iphone is not the whole world.

I agree :-) ...

iPhone is nice and pretty ... but closed (source) and bundled (with itune) ... I buy my CDs DVDs in store NO download !

my c860 is open and I like to develope on / for it ... have alternate free software ... no bundling with closed access

Martin


Out of the 379.28 Gigs of data in my iTunes library, I'd say that only 100 Gigs was bought off the store.  Most of that is tv shows my wife watches.  The rest was ripped from my cd collection.  Closed source isn't always bad.  Show me a fully open source cell phone.  The openmoko isn't even completely open.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on March 13, 2008, 01:38:06 pm
Quote from: ScottYelich
Bah, I wasn't trying to say that the iPhone is
*better* than the Z or whatever.  I liked the Z,
but the support just evaporated.  It had such
potential, but now mine has been a paper weight
for over a year.

Scott
I actually get more use out of mine than I ever had.  iphone seems nifty, but I'm not sure it would work for me-I really need a keyboard.  I think probably if there is a Z alt. it is the eeepc.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ScottYelich on March 13, 2008, 09:25:34 pm
Quote from: ArchiMark
Quote from: ScottYelich
but the support just evaporated.  It had such
potential, but now mine has been a paper weight
for over a year.

Scott

Scott, what 'support just evaporated'???

Never knew that there was really any 'support' for the Z's other than this community here...

Unless you live in Japan....

 

What I mean is -- this place use to be hoppin' ... two pages of threads with updates almost
daily.    New software quite often -- things current... things that worked.

Scott
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ScottYelich on March 13, 2008, 09:29:35 pm
I know we're offtopic... but at least there's activity!

Barry --  Ya.  Look at the android stuff.  All the recommendations
for programming on it are like anti-best-practices.  It's sad.
Android has potential -- but the iPhone is out there.  


The pope recently released a list of new items that are considered
sins and I guess I'm going straight to hell because programming
in Objective-C++ was right at the top of the list.

Anyway, I like the zaurus form factor and keyboard.  I looked
at a lifebook, but the keyboard was just unusable.  I wish sharp
would come out with the next generation PDA, but I'm not
holding my breath.  We seem to be in a phase of incremental
improvements, and sooner or later there will be a big enough
jump that a PDA will look good again, vs a phone... but phones
are where the action is going to be for quite some time now.

Scott
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: apink on March 13, 2008, 11:17:19 pm
Quote from: ScottYelich
I know we're offtopic... but at least there's activity!

FWIW the Z along with pdaxii13 fits my needs at work perfectly.  I use a spreadsheet to input data on my feet on a daily basis.  The Z just works for me.  Linux runs on it.  It has a nice thumb keyboard.  It is small enough to carry around all the time at work.  Gnumeric works without a hitch.  Bingo.  I have yet to see another device that combines linux, a nice small screen and a good keyboard the way the Z does.

When there was more activity on the boards two years ago the system wasn't as mature and didn't work as well, so more activity is not necessarily a sign of a successful system.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on March 13, 2008, 11:49:00 pm
Quote from: apink
Quote from: ScottYelich
I know we're offtopic... but at least there's activity!

FWIW the Z along with pdaxii13 fits my needs at work perfectly.  I use a spreadsheet to input data on my feet on a daily basis.  The Z just works for me.  Linux runs on it.  It has a nice thumb keyboard.  It is small enough to carry around all the time at work.  Gnumeric works without a hitch.  Bingo.  I have yet to see another device that combines linux, a nice small screen and a good keyboard the way the Z does.

When there was more activity on the boards two years ago the system wasn't as mature and didn't work as well, so more activity is not necessarily a sign of a successful system.
Good point-- a lot of the posts 2 years go went either: "How do I (some seemingly simple thing)" or "Holy Crap! what just happened?- and how do I fix it?"
Now my Z with a (free with my plan) krzr does all sorts of useful things without a problem--it also does silly stuff just cuz it can.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on March 31, 2008, 06:55:18 pm
Was reading through the PdaXng site this afternoon. This sounds fantastic. I'm dying to see the 1st beta downloads.
I got to the site reading through Meanie's 'distros' page...kinda thinking about doing a cacko/debian dualboot and maybe adding XQT/Etch for extra browser functionality.

EDIT:
I was interrupted and posted without reading.  What I was trying to say was that I had it in mind to try a cacko/Debian Dualboot..possibly including a different debian/XQT for firefox under cacko- which was why I had been reading meanie's 'distros' page. Looking at pdaxng again got me curious. Any news?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on May 21, 2008, 08:05:40 am
Hi,

Does anyone know if this is being worked on?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: HoloVector on May 21, 2008, 11:48:53 am
Quote from: axeTail
Hi,

Does anyone know if this is being worked on?
I haven't heard anything about but then again I'm not a dev.  Personally, I think it is unlikely that it is being worked on since InSearchOf refers to himself as the retired lead developer of pdaXrom and Sash and Meanie are MIA.  No, I would say pdaXng is either in a deep coma or dead.  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Martin on May 21, 2008, 12:46:33 pm
Hi :-)
I ask via PM ... (please don't reask, they are on heavy work!) ...

They are doing a complete rebuild on pdaXrom (V2.0.0) on a newer 2.6.xx kernel ... kernel work done by maybe 90% ... I don't know how far is GUI! THey said that if it is going to Beta state there will be an announce on the projects homepage ... Hope to get it soon because angstoem-distribution.org is getting really fine :-)

Please GoOn pdaXrom  ...

Thanks to devs for their hard work !
Martin
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on May 21, 2008, 01:58:03 pm
Quote from: Martin
Hi :-)
I ask via PM ... (please don't reask, they are on heavy work!) ...

They are doing a complete rebuild on pdaXrom (V2.0.0) on a newer 2.6.xx kernel ... kernel work done by maybe 90% ... I don't know how far is GUI! THey said that if it is going to Beta state there will be an announce on the projects homepage ... Hope to get it soon because angstoem-distribution.org is getting really fine :-)

Please GoOn pdaXrom  ...

Thanks to devs for their hard work !
Martin

Thanks for the info but who is working on this stuff?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: kkazakov13 on May 21, 2008, 04:39:59 pm
Yes ... who did you asked?!? There's no activity on pdaXrom mailing list _at all_ . I (was) one of the developers, but - sorry to say that, pdaxrom newer than b3 is a dead cause. Because noone is working on it, and because the builder suxx big time. The most error-full app I've ever seen. I managed to build correctly only ONCE. And of course - I gave up.

So I doubt there will be new version at all. It's just dead. If you want newest and coolest stuff - go to angstrom, debian or poky.

Beta 3 with all the packages I do and upgrades, works great for me. I wish there was at least 256mb of ram ...
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on May 21, 2008, 10:18:30 pm
Quote from: axeTail
Quote from: Martin
Hi :-)
I ask via PM ... (please don't reask, they are on heavy work!) ...

They are doing a complete rebuild on pdaXrom (V2.0.0) on a newer 2.6.xx kernel ... kernel work done by maybe 90% ... I don't know how far is GUI! THey said that if it is going to Beta state there will be an announce on the projects homepage ... Hope to get it soon because angstoem-distribution.org is getting really fine :-)

Please GoOn pdaXrom  ...

Thanks to devs for their hard work !
Martin

Thanks for the info but who is working on this stuff?

Thanks Again for the support Martin, myself and Sash (defiently not MIA). As martin said ,yes pdaXrom is getting built again from scratch, literally, from scratch. We have a working bootable "shell only" rom, with functional CF, USB, SD(MMC), Hotplug, etc. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done but it is being worked on.

pdaXrom isn't dead, we are just hiding :-)

Late
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: HoloVector on May 22, 2008, 12:52:39 am
I stand befuddled but corrected.    Can't wait to see what the two of you can come up with.  Thanks so much.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on May 22, 2008, 08:27:42 am
Quote from: InSearchOf
Quote from: axeTail
Quote from: Martin
Hi :-)
I ask via PM ... (please don't reask, they are on heavy work!) ...

They are doing a complete rebuild on pdaXrom (V2.0.0) on a newer 2.6.xx kernel ... kernel work done by maybe 90% ... I don't know how far is GUI! THey said that if it is going to Beta state there will be an announce on the projects homepage ... Hope to get it soon because angstoem-distribution.org is getting really fine :-)

Please GoOn pdaXrom  ...

Thanks to devs for their hard work !
Martin

Thanks for the info but who is working on this stuff?

Thanks Again for the support Martin, myself and Sash (defiently not MIA). As martin said ,yes pdaXrom is getting built again from scratch, literally, from scratch. We have a working bootable "shell only" rom, with functional CF, USB, SD(MMC), Hotplug, etc. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done but it is being worked on.

pdaXrom isn't dead, we are just hiding :-)

Late

That's good news, you guys have our support...go go go go
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ofels on May 23, 2008, 06:09:29 am
Something makes me wonder here and this is the phrase:

Quote
It is envisioned that a basic Angstrom install should be easily turned into a pdaXng system by installing the pdaxng-base mega package into Angstrom. Angstrom is build upon a sound foundation and thus a potential hacker's dream system but it lacks in the usability department for general users. This is where pdaXng improves upon Angstrom. pdaXng was not designed to compete with Angstrom but rather it is an attempt to supplement and improve in areas where Angstrom is lacking.

The basic consequence of that would imho be to base everything on the sophisticated Angstrom base including build system, kernel, glibc, modules, etc. and put primary efforts on customising Xfce, enlightenment, whatever to the pdaXRom feeling.

But from what I read this is not the case, maybe I am wrong here, so please correct me.
If I am right then I still see lots redundant efforts which I feel is disappointing.

Oliver
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on May 23, 2008, 03:27:48 pm
That sounded like what was planned to me, as well. Actually it sounded like a very good idea. I sincerely hope it happens.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: /dev/null on May 28, 2008, 04:12:37 pm
Quote from: BarryW
Quote from: adf
Don't need QT4 at all.  Why would you think so?  Of course, it will be compiled for the Z.  How is the OSS software on that i-phone?


I like my iPhone too.  Probably the best phone I've ever owned.  Still like my Z, even though at the moment it's just an expensive paper weight.  Freaking debian.....


the best mobile phone is nokia. Only in Usa Iphone sells, in europe (italy in particular) the market is very very hard and iphone don't do..  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: HoloVector on May 28, 2008, 05:12:18 pm
Quote from: /dev/null
the best mobile phone is nokia. Only in Usa Iphone sells, in europe (italy in particular) the market is very very hard and iphone don't do..  
I used to think that too until I got my wife an N95.  The bloody volume up switch has a weak solder joints (known issue) and popped off less than three months after we got it.  The unit has been a case the whole time and has not been dropped.  Nokia Canada says they won't fix it even though it is still under warranty.  Her next phone will definately not be a Nokia and I won't allow anymore Nokias into the cell fleet at my company.  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on May 28, 2008, 09:33:10 pm
To expand; I think it was to be built with the same system as Angstrom, using core work from Angstrom and PdaXrom, while being essentially a separate and distinct system with (probably) some variations in dependencies and versions.  Since it appears that meanie has wandered off we may never know. Though it is to be hoped, failntly, that he may re-emerge with some version of pdaxng yet
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: /dev/null on May 29, 2008, 04:05:04 am
Quote from: HoloVector
Quote from: /dev/null
the best mobile phone is nokia. Only in Usa Iphone sells, in europe (italy in particular) the market is very very hard and iphone don't do..  
I used to think that too until I got my wife an N95.  The bloody volume up switch has a weak solder joints (known issue) and popped off less than three months after we got it.  The unit has been a case the whole time and has not been dropped.  Nokia Canada says they won't fix it even though it is still under warranty.  Her next phone will definately not be a Nokia and I won't allow anymore Nokias into the cell fleet at my company.  


One swallow does not make a summer...  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: ShiroiKuma on May 29, 2008, 05:57:26 am
Quote from: BarryW
Closed source isn't always bad.  Show me a fully open source cell phone.  The openmoko isn't even completely open.
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25666 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25666)
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Jon_J on June 18, 2008, 10:43:58 am
Back on topic.
Is there any news on pdaxng?
Debian, Angstrom and Android installs seem too complex, so I'm sticking with pdaxrom.
If only someone would port Puppy Linux to ARM, I would probably try that.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on June 18, 2008, 10:53:24 pm
I need to get on the ball with sending updates, I apologize.
Yes, we are still in the works of getting it stable enough to start releasing nightly builds. (more like weekly builds)

Current functional stuff.
USB, SD, CF, Touchscreen, Suspend, Date/Time after reboot, X starts at boot,

Working on
Sound, Xorg, Boot time optimizations,...

I just opened up our pdaxrom-everyone mailing list to the public, You wont see to much traffic on there (hopefully that will change), but if you would like to become involved in pdaxrom please join.
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinf...daxrom-everyone (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pdaxrom-everyone)

Late
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on June 19, 2008, 05:37:08 am
WOOT!!  news!  

this is great
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on June 19, 2008, 10:23:47 am
Ok, only 1 person signed up for the mailing list so far!.. Come on, All the cool kids are doing it!!!... I'm looking for fol\ks that want to help, want to ask questions, want to test... Whatever just sign up and speak!

Late
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on June 19, 2008, 11:18:48 am
I'm joining now. I didn't realize there was a mailing list again!
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Martin on June 20, 2008, 09:56:01 am
Hi ...

now on the list tooo ... c860 :-)

Martin
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: HoloVector on June 20, 2008, 02:26:23 pm
Joined the list as well.  I can help test either on a C1000 or a C3200 but, I am more of a Beta/Release Candidate than an Alpha tester these days since I am short on time and loosing my Linux skills.    

Spending too much time working on Windows and OS X machines these days.  
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on June 20, 2008, 02:38:18 pm
Thanks to everyone for joining... I mean any help is help... I would like to start pumping out releases every week... I have a dedicated machine that will do it also... so... soon, we will start dropping releases avaliable for download up to the official v2 release.

Late
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on June 20, 2008, 06:23:52 pm
Quote from: InSearchOf
Thanks to everyone for joining... I mean any help is help... I would like to start pumping out releases every week... I have a dedicated machine that will do it also... so... soon, we will start dropping releases avaliable for download up to the official v2 release.

Late
Joined.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Jon_J on June 20, 2008, 10:37:34 pm
Just signed up tonight. Fri, Jun 20th.

I'll try to visit as often as I can, but when the summer temps go in the 90s and 100s, I cannot use my desktop machines, as they are located in an un air conditioned room. I also have a lot more time for using these computers during the winter.

I'll do what I can. I'm going to backup my Cacko C3100 and will use it for any beta testing. It does have a speaker connection prob, but I can use the headphones if needed to test any audio related stuff. (I will miss Opera if I do this, but better browsers are in the works, I hope)

I'm going to keep pdaxii13 on my C3200 Zaurus, since it does "almost" everything I need.

Edit
Maybe it's time for a new ROM on my C3100, "Backup" is now failing and I tried several cards, and rebooting.
When booting, my Cacko Z spits out many, many more errors than it did when I flashed it 2 years ago...
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: radiochickenwax on June 21, 2008, 09:39:23 pm
Quote from: InSearchOf
Ok, only 1 person signed up for the mailing list so far!.. Come on, All the cool kids are doing it!!!... I'm looking for fol\ks that want to help, want to ask questions, want to test... Whatever just sign up and speak!

Late


Are the archives going to be available?  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.p...daxrom-everyone (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=pdaxrom-everyone)

I just signed up, but it still says "permission denied".  Please don't let this distract you from actually working on the ROM, I was just curious if there is current activity on the mailing list.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on June 21, 2008, 09:49:32 pm
I was actually looking the other day about how I can open up the archives to the public, but I think since the archive are hosted by Sourceforge, you will need an account. But honestly, you not going to see any activity for the past few months, because like I said the only 2 individuals working on the rom is myself and sashz and we speak directly through ICQ or email. But if you want to stay up to date with the current changes, join the list. I'm going to be setting up the SVN to send reports of commits to the mailing list to stay tuned for that.

Late

PS. There may be another open call for developers again in the up coming weeks.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on July 24, 2008, 03:42:57 am
Quote from: InSearchOf
I was actually looking the other day about how I can open up the archives to the public, but I think since the archive are hosted by Sourceforge, you will need an account. But honestly, you not going to see any activity for the past few months, because like I said the only 2 individuals working on the rom is myself and sashz and we speak directly through ICQ or email. But if you want to stay up to date with the current changes, join the list. I'm going to be setting up the SVN to send reports of commits to the mailing list to stay tuned for that.

Late

PS. There may be another open call for developers again in the up coming weeks.

Hi All,

Does anyone have an update on the progress so far?

Thanks
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on July 24, 2008, 11:36:26 am
As far as I know, the current holdup is choosing a WM/DM/DE. Check the "included packages" thread.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: daeos on July 24, 2008, 02:47:11 pm
Quote from: Capn_Fish
Quote from: ScottYelich
I do like my new iPhone, though.
I think there are a LOT of people here who would disagree...

My Zaurus still boots, runs apps, and isn't locked down, FWIW. I fail to see how it constitutes as "dead."


Agreed, anything that does what you want and does a good job at doing it is not dead.  The iphone has one down side that any user would know about... soft keyboard.  But to stay on topic... I hope pdaxng will work on my 6k
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on July 24, 2008, 05:02:16 pm
6000 support is planned.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: the_oak on July 25, 2008, 02:57:35 pm
I'm slow, but I just signed up.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: the_oak on July 25, 2008, 03:39:19 pm
Clicking on "Pdaxrom-everyone Archives" results in:

Permission Denied
Access to this page is restricted (either to project members or to project administrators) and you do not meet the requirements to access this page. Please contact the administrator of this project for further assistance.

Is there something else to click on to see progress?

Edit: Never mind. I just read post # 53. Sorry!
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: AmigaFalcon on July 25, 2008, 07:51:39 pm
just signed on to the mailing list also. i'll be keeping my fingers crossed!
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on July 29, 2008, 09:12:25 am
Quote from: axeTail
Hi Guys,

I found this  http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html)

Who is working on this and when will it be available?


"The Next Generation Zaurus distro - Linux 2.6 and EABI

There currently is a lot of work being done on creating newer and better distros for the Zaurus based on the 2.6 kernel. Work on pdaXrom is still ongoing and has progressed to version r198. It still is full of annoying bugs. OpenZaurus is no more. It has been abandoned in favour of its successor, Angstrom. There has been some progress made in Angstrom which is also based on the latest 2.6 kernel as well as EABI. It is currently still in an unstable state. Debian has also been revamped and the new version is also using EABI and 2.6 kernel. There is no Debian installer for armel build for Zaurus yet, but it is possible to boot Debian for the Zaurus using a combo of bootloaders and custom 2.6 kernels. The future for a 2.6 kernel based distro on the Zaurus seems to be either with derivatives of Angstrom or Debian which are build using OpenEmbedded. Binaries compiled for each should be binary compatible, but library dependencies will be an issue.

pdaXng will be the next generation of pdaXii13 but build on top of a stable 2.6 kernel and updated libraries. It will retain the look and feel of pdaXrom but not be based on the pdaXrom code base and definately not use uboot."

When will we get a beta release?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: daeos on July 30, 2008, 10:36:23 pm
Joined the list, I don't know what I can do to help other than test.. and I am ok with fudging my pdaxrom install to get something better!  Is there going to be a vote or something on which wm to use, or has there been a decision already?  Im all for xfce, but would prefer Gnome.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on August 01, 2008, 10:41:44 am
ISO already made the call: LXDE

I'm going to get it all set up as soon as I get an image built to test it on.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on August 02, 2008, 06:29:14 am
Quote from: Capn_Fish
ISO already made the call: LXDE

I'm going to get it all set up as soon as I get an image built to test it on.
lxde looks very suitable. I'm looking forward to it.

btw, is firefox3 going to make it in?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on August 02, 2008, 09:45:13 am
I'm not sure. ISO and I bandied the idea about, but it never went anywhere.

I'm guessing that it won't be the first/primary browser, however, if it does.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: InSearchOf on August 03, 2008, 12:01:46 am
FF3 will atleast be built for pXr v2 (ipkg)... it is still on the fence if it will be part of the the official build.

Late
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on August 03, 2008, 01:31:25 am
Quote from: InSearchOf
FF3 will atleast be built for pXr v2 (ipkg)... it is still on the fence if it will be part of the the official build.

Late

What's the default, then? Icehampster? dillo? something webkit?

I'll look forward to an FF3 addon, then
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on August 04, 2008, 03:56:47 pm
Actually, that's an interesting question. I've discovered (on my N810 running Debian) that Epiphany/Gecko renders faster and generally works better than Epiphany/Webkit. It takes a little longer to start up, but after that is more usable.

Webkit may be better on the Z, however, if the Gecko speedup is partly due to the N810's additional RAM and if Webkit performs better with less.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: matthis on August 04, 2008, 10:54:13 pm
I have been messing around with browsers on my Z under debian, and I have found that "Arora" (based on Qt4 + webkit) is very good.
Much faster to launch than firefox + support for javascript working.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on September 13, 2008, 10:09:02 pm
Quote from: matthis
I have been messing around with browsers on my Z under debian, and I have found that "Arora" (based on Qt4 + webkit) is very good.
Much faster to launch than firefox + support for javascript working.
Sounds cool. will we have a qt4 gui option?
bump.....bump...bump
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on September 13, 2008, 11:00:07 pm
You mean in pdaX? Or for the browser? Is QT even small enough to be in a base image?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on September 15, 2008, 08:12:11 pm
Quote from: Capn_Fish
You mean in pdaX? Or for the browser? Is QT even small enough to be in a base image?
I meant a QT4 option in pdaX. adding qt4 on top of a gtk interface would be kinda heavy.  For all I know, QT4 would make a gui/environment that is too heavy for the Z, though
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Ragnorok on September 17, 2008, 02:15:21 pm
Quote from: InSearchOf
I just opened up our pdaxrom-everyone mailing list to the public, You wont see to much traffic on there (hopefully that will change), but if you would like to become involved in pdaxrom please join.
- I subscribed, having an FC9 box I can dedicate to builds.  I'm awaiting my e-mail in response to subscribing, and thinking it may have been caught by the spam filter.  Now if I can just remember the URL to my web mail...
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: scottlfa on November 25, 2008, 11:13:04 am
I too eagerly await PdaXrom v2.  Would be willing to be a test pig.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: speculatrix on November 25, 2008, 06:23:21 pm
Maybe if someone could create a build environment in a vmware appliance, it'd really help get people up and running!

Would people be interested if I threw up a test box which someone could SSH/VNC into and set up, and others could then login to build stuff? No guarantees, mind, but we've got a few old servers approaching retirement and I could stick vmware on, was going to create a cacko/damn-small-linux builder, so pda-ng could be done by someone else!
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on November 26, 2008, 10:14:21 am
I've tried to get a build box set up, but it didn't work with either Gentoo or Debian Sid. I'm slowly getting around to trying Ubuntu (or maybe Fedora).

In other words, best of luck!
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on November 29, 2008, 10:22:46 am
Quote from: Capn_Fish
I've tried to get a build box set up, but it didn't work with either Gentoo or Debian Sid. I'm slowly getting around to trying Ubuntu (or maybe Fedora).

In other words, best of luck!

I'm really hoping to see a build soon

So you're saying it is not going to happen? Well off to debian then ...
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on November 29, 2008, 11:37:24 am
That's my general impression. I've not managed to get a build done/working, and InSearchOf has been busy.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on November 30, 2008, 06:49:59 pm
Quote from: Capn_Fish
That's my general impression. I've not managed to get a build done/working, and InSearchOf has been busy.

So.. is pdax dead, then?
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Capn_Fish on December 01, 2008, 07:36:02 am
I wouldn't go that far, but I suppose you could see it that way. I believe it's temporary (job switches make life chaotic), though you're free to interpret otherwise.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: adf on December 03, 2008, 12:52:08 am
Quote from: Capn_Fish
I wouldn't go that far, but I suppose you could see it that way. I believe it's temporary (job switches make life chaotic), though you're free to interpret otherwise.
I'd love to see pdaxng, and I hope the problems are temporary.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: axeTail on December 04, 2008, 05:54:06 am
Quote from: adf
Quote from: Capn_Fish
I wouldn't go that far, but I suppose you could see it that way. I believe it's temporary (job switches make life chaotic), though you're free to interpret otherwise.
I'd love to see pdaxng, and I hope the problems are temporary.

Debian (Andromeda) is fast and good.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Jon_J on December 04, 2008, 11:56:29 am
I would also see pdaxng sometime...  I'd like to kexec pdaxng and cacko.
I predict that SDHC cards will be the only SD cards one can purchase in the very near future.
I have tried Angstrom and dual boot with cacko, but Angstrom isn't exactly for me.
I'm more of a GUI guy, I forget commands if I don't use them often.

Edit
I decided to "stick with" Angstrom for awhile, there's some really basic things missing or difficult to figure out, but it's a learning experience.
Jon
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Vyacheslav Dikonov on December 07, 2008, 03:15:59 pm
Quote from: axeTail
Debian (Andromeda) is fast and good.
If Debian cannot fit into the NAND it can never even think to compete with PdaXrom.
I have a C1000 and I need all cards to be interchangeable, so no swap files and no Andromedas. There is just NO SPACE for it.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: scottlfa on December 09, 2008, 04:35:13 pm
I use Andromedia, would like too see a pdaxrom ng.
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: cortez on December 10, 2008, 01:14:57 pm
I wouldn't keep my hopes up too high anytime soon

@InSearchOf: I wonder when you're going to bring news...
Title: Pdaxng
Post by: Jon_J on December 13, 2008, 09:52:25 pm
InSearchOf updated his blog.
Link in this post:
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26078 (https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26078)