OESF Portables Forum
General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: yodabob on March 18, 2004, 12:32:07 am
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Just to let the group know, Amazon is listing the SL-6000L (with the built-in 802.11B) as arriving on March 31st. I ordered one and they confirmed shipping on April 6th. I actually prefer this form factor to the clamshells as I\'m addicted to my 5600, but to each his own. Waiting will be painful !
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Well that\'s cool except I was hoping the SL-6000L came with WLAN instead of Bluetooth as I don\'t really see much need for that for my own personal use. If the Sl-6000L is $699 then the one with integrated WLAN is bound to be a good bit more. I\'ll still get one, but I was hoping I wouldn\'t have to spend more than $700 (minus taxes).
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You gotta admit, 64 MB RAM for running ko/pi and that 480x640 screen is gonna be nice!
Since I just picked up my 5600 about a month ago, I\'m hoping I can skip a generation and get a Z with the next StrongARM generation chip with more RAM. That doesn\'t seem to help my envying those who have the $700.00 to plop down on the 6000x series.
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Well that\'s cool except I was hoping the SL-6000L came with WLAN instead of Bluetooth as I don\'t really see much need for that for my own personal use. If the Sl-6000L is $699 then the one with integrated WLAN is bound to be a good bit more. I\'ll still get one, but I was hoping I wouldn\'t have to spend more than $700 (minus taxes).
There were 4 variations of that model announced - with and without WiFi and Bluetooth built in.
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ummm.....but it does have wlan for $699
Well that\'s cool except I was hoping the SL-6000L came with WLAN instead of Bluetooth as I don\'t really see much need for that for my own personal use. If the Sl-6000L is $699 then the one with integrated WLAN is bound to be a good bit more. I\'ll still get one, but I was hoping I wouldn\'t have to spend more than $700 (minus taxes).
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Yes, maslovsky, but I was referring to what bluedevils said. That I would like the model to have WLAN for $699. Either way, I still want one. Is anybody else still going to get one now that we know an \"official\" price?
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Wow, Amazon is selling the 6000 series! Call me pleasantly surprised. Yes, the 6000L does have wifi, althought I\'m going to wait for the 6000W which has wifi AND bluetooth. (afaics, there is no bluetooth only model)
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Well this is a relief. DrWowe is right; Amazon had posted the device with having Bluetooth and not WLAN. I just rechecked the site and now it says 802.11b so I\'m happy now. I think this is the model I will get since not very many American devices have Bluetooth. I\'ll just buy a card for that later on if I need it.
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This is somewhat disappointing. I do hope they still plan to sell a model with Bluetooth built-in for the USA. I have found WiFi to be little more than a novelty for PDAs. $699 for this plus $120+ for a Socket Bluetooth card puts this thing way out of reach, plus takes away the CF slot for other peripherals.
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This is somewhat disappointing. I do hope they still plan to sell a model with Bluetooth built-in for the USA. I have found WiFi to be little more than a novelty for PDAs. $699 for this plus $120+ for a Socket Bluetooth card puts this thing way out of reach, plus takes away the CF slot for other peripherals.
I am going to get the 6000L as well. I really dont like bluetooth, way to slow, not a real network, but ok for Cell phone to PDA connection I guess. Wifi has been extremely helpful. But I do know what ganoe is saying about typical pda WIFI. On Palm OS and Win Ce is is almost useless except for basic web browsing.
As soon as I pay off my credit cards...
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The problem with bluetooth isn\'t the technology, it\'s people\'s conception of it. It\'s NOT designed for high speed networking - use wifi instead. Bluetooth is good for many other things. In particular, ANYTHING that can be done with IRDA can also be done with bluetooth, because they use the same profiles. I use bluetooth for medium-speed 1xRTT access to the internet through my cellphone. Later this year, I will probably also get a foldable bluetooth keyboard for use with my Zaurus in landscape mode. I would use it to transfer data with other people\'s PDAs, if more people had bluetooth PDAs. That will change though as more manufacturers throw it in because its cheap and the price differentials come down. One last factor, not to be overlooked, is bluetooth can be implemented with minimal power draw compared to wifi.
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Which bluetooth handset do you use on 1xRTT CDMA2000 networks? T608?
-albertr
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The problem with bluetooth isn\'t the technology, it\'s people\'s conception of it. It\'s NOT designed for high speed networking - use wifi instead. Bluetooth is good for many other things. In particular, ANYTHING that can be done with IRDA can also be done with bluetooth, because they use the same profiles. [ ... ] One last factor, not to be overlooked, is bluetooth can be implemented with minimal power draw compared to wifi.
I\'ll have to agree right off with your first sentence. It really seems like concept of Bluetooth hasn\'t gotten through to people at all. I more often like to compare it to USB and/or all the other \"standard\" physical connections on your PDA. Why do we need all those connectors, why do we need to buy all those custom $40 cables and carry them around? My Zaurus cables take up more space than my Zaurus. Then when you buy another PDA or peripheral, you just end up needing more expensive cables. I have a whole box of retired cables.
To be fair to Bluetooth, 723kbps ain\'t too shabby. It\'s faster than plenty of so-called broadband services. They\'re working on faster revisions to Bluetooth as well. Another device you didn\'t mention was a Bluetooth GPS. I am looking forward to picking one of these up and carrying it around in my car and backpack.
Why I see Bluetooth as far more useful than WiFi is simple. I have cards for both on my SL-5500. I use the Bluetooth card all the time. I haven\'t touched the WiFi one in months. Why? Well every place I know of that WiFi is available, I have access to a laptop or desktop machine. The places outside of work and home I know of that have public access, charge far more than it costs for me to use my 1xRTT access. Also, I\'ve found that workplaces are increasingly using things like LEAP and VPN (Cisco VPN in my case) with WiFi which seem to be a pain to get going on the Zaurus and other PDAs.
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Yup, a T608 on Sprint. I also use wifi at home and at work, so for me its not about one technology being \"better\" than the other, I use them both for orthogonal purposes. That\'s why I\'m looking forward to the SL-6000w. My future portable devices will have both wireless technologies built in, no ifs ands or buts.
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Cool! What\'s your impressions of T608? Is firmware stable? How\'s the battery life? Is it possible to add $15/month unlimited data plan on account with T608?
Thanks,
-albertr
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For more info than you will ever sift through about the T608:
www.t608.com
www.sprintpcsusers.com (Includes a forum dedicated to the T608.)
IMHO, the firmware is stable enough. I\'ve never really owned a comparable handset, though. Upgraded from a 2000-vintage Ericsson to the Treo 600 (which also crashed/rebooted occasionally) to the T608...which crashes occasionally.
After a couple of conditioning cycles, even stale batteries have provided me with about two hous talk time. If you live your life on the phone, you\'re going to need a bigger handset with a less diminutive battery.
The data plan issue is still an open question. I had no trouble transferring unlimited Vision from my Treo 600, but a few people have reported being unable to get unlimited Vision when adding the T608 as a new line.
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Tres cool. Does the charger shipped with the SL-6000 also support 220 V/50 Hz?
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Good to know that firmware seem to be stable. I was a little bit concerned about lack of support and firmware upgrades for T608. Still waiting for prices to go down thou, had 1xRTT service thru Sprint before and liked much more than current GPRS offerings, still missing low latency. Also $10 or $15/month for unlimited data simply rocks.
-albertr