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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Cxx0 General discussions => Topic started by: Joshp on April 06, 2004, 12:57:02 pm
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Ok am saveing up to get a C-x60, I can find new 860s but does any one know where I can find a new 760. I would like to compare the prices since the used 760 seems to be less than a used 860. And has any one had any problumes with the C-x60 hardware? Just wondering before I dump over 500.00 green backs into a pda. Thx in adv.
JP
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The 860 replaced the 760, so unless you find a retailer (non-US or a US importer) that still has new 760s in stock, you\'ll need to go for a used one. I can speak for my 760, but I\'d say the hardware is rock solid. I\'m sure others would agree.
The only difference between the 860 and 760 is the color of the casing. So unless you really like the silver vs. the white, I would go for a used (hopefully in perfect condition) 760.
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Try e-Bay. I\'ve seen several people in Japan selling \'new\' C760\'s and they were willing to ship to US.
Nathan
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Also, as far as the 750 v.s. 760, apparently the main difference is 1) the amount of flash memory (64 v.s. 128 meg), and 2) the size of the battery (5 hour v.s. 8 hour, according to the specs). Connics.net has a used 750 for $549, and used 760 for $649. I\'d be curious if they are actually factory referb\'s (like the 5500\'s that tigerdirect had). If so, then most like they were DOA returns that had been repaired, so in that case they would be in fairly good shape.
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I ended up with the 860, not because of functionality, the Cacko ROM implements the USB drive feature across the whole C series range, but simply because of aesthetics, I thought the white with silver didn\'t look as attractive as the C700 or C860, although the C750 which has a black screen looks nice too. The hardware is excellent, I find it is better and feels more solid and reliable than my (eek) former Sony NX70V. It feels just like a tiny laptop, and makes a neat \'clunk\' when the clamshell closes, it\'s so damn good.
But if the colours don\'t bother you, the C760 is a good choice, infact, any of the C series would be an excellent choice.
I paid £565, that\'s $1,039 USD at today\'s prices and it took me a year to save for it (it was a C700 when I started, but the C860 was out by the time I was ready to buy) and I think it was worth every hard earned penny.
:-)
Whichever you get, enjoy...
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I find the 760 a little too susceptible to ESD. Particularily the display is vulnerable (it is an unshielded wire i think). I\'ve learned to ground myself more often.
The rest of the hardware is rock solid.
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I have been an HP200LX \"holdout\" for many years because I couldn\'t find any machine that came anywhere *near* the 200LX\'s pocket form factor, clamshell design, keyboard size, battery life etc & etc.
But, though Thaddeus still repairs the HP, there *are* no \"new\" parts and the MTBF is decreasing pretty rapidly (IMHO). SIGH!!
Was right on the edge of getting a UX50 when I found out about the C860. Wussed for a couple days about sinking so much coin into a japanese language system, not supported in the US, no matter how well \"converted\".
Took the plunge a month or two ago & the little beastie is worth every single penny spent.
Some rough edges (mostly in apps) & it still hasn\'t been able to replace *every* 200LX function .... yet <g>. But then, the HP couldn\'t pack that wonderful color screen, over a Gb on storage and translate japanese to english.
Happy as a clam at high tide with mine. Sure, its not cheap but, if you can, IMHO, gopherit!
Bob W
Miami FL
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Bob
I too was a 200LX hold out, well I bought my 200LX so long ago I can\'t remember, I\'ve had other machines and they all came and went, the 200LX came back out. I just wanted my 200LX to have a colour display and to play music and video. The 860 does that, and, like the 200LX is a full computer not a cut-down \'thing\', I understand your point about the Japanese conversion, a new ROM fixes that.
With time, you will find the right software for you, I\'ve replaced the 200LX completely now, the ROM I am using even has a calculator which supports RPN. The 200LX was an excellent computer, the Z follows in that tradition, and does it well. You would have quickly discovered (as I did) that Sony\'s offering was \"mutton dressed as lamb\" as my grandfather says.
;-)
-Francis
PS, I still have my 200LX, I could never get rid of it, with the manual and box, just in case.. hope you have fun with your Z.
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Francis -
From what I have learned since, I would probably have been very disappointed with the UX50.
Finally found a hex/binary editor for the C860 in Hi. Now if I can find a database engine as flexable as the HPs. JCards & PortaBase are good but just a bit to \"rigid\" compared to the 200LX app.
Until then, I run the CPack software off what I call my LeXar 128 USB drive hooked to what ever desktop I happen to be near when I need info <g>.
Knew that I had made the \"right\" choice in the C860 when I noticed how MANY Zaurus users remarked that the were old 200LX owners <G>!
Bob W
Miami FL
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I bought my c760 about 2 weeks after I got my first zaurus, a sl5600. I was able to talk my wife into keeping the 5600 for herself instead of buying a pocketpc
The c760 hardware is top notch. My friends always give me a hard time because I am so tight with money, and even I had no regrets about buying it after using it just one time.
If you get one, do yourself a favor and try out pdaXrom.
The screen is also beautiful and seems hard to scratch. I have a couple of small scatches on mine, but only after my 5 year old son got ahold of it one day while I was at work
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Miami_Bob,
Bob: don\'t know how this is posted. I too was an Hp LX 200 user and loved it until it broke...missed it. (Got a Jornada)...it broke...Am thinking about a UX 50...but found the C 860. Am thinking hard about it even though it is more expensive...your comments were helpful..thanks..STeve
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STeve -
Thaddeus still repairs 200LXs for a pretty reasonable cost, BTW. But every time mine broke, it was a week or two of severe information withdrawal till the LX came back. And keeping a spare as backup became a major PITA as regards the warantee coverages.
I\'d been looking for an alternative that I could stand to use for a while. Was very excited about the 5x00 Zaurus when Office Depot first offered it ... till I saw the size of the keyboard. Big ham handed fingers.
Have never had a C7x0 in hand so can not compare them to the C860. But I\'v become about as attached to my 860 as I ever was to my old 95/100/200LX back when they were top of the line themselves.
The UX50 was tempting, but I have heard quite a bit of negative feedback on it. Plus the screen & keyboard are significantly smaller.
If I had to make the same decision today, I would buy the C860 without a second thought. And Francis\' comments are well \"spoken\", too. The C860 is a \"real\" computer with room to grow into.
Take care!
Bob W
Miami FL
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Miami_Bob,
Bob: Thanks for the reply. It is interesting about the other Lx200 users. Haven\'t made the c-860 move yet, but am getting closer to it. Definitely seems the way to go for me. Enjoy your and Francis\'s comments...will let ;you (all) know...Steve
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I haven\'t got my SL-C860 yet but it\'s coming I already paid for it... I was looking at the UX50 adn even went to futureshop to see but it\'s really irritating around the screen since the black border is so thick... they should\'ve made the visual screen bigger since there is a lot of debris around... the keyboard is ugly and also annoying but lights up... no matter for me. The UX50 is unbalanced it has too many things on it but it\'s too small for it and the shape is also unbalancewd which makes it look like nothing like a PDA not even like an electronic sometimes... The Sl-C860 has CF and SD slots on it but the UX50 only has The Memory Stick... Get the SL-C860!
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Haven\'t made the c-860 move yet, but am getting closer to it. Definitely seems the way to go for me. Enjoy your and Francis\'s comments...will let ;you (all) know...Steve
Well Steve, it comes down to what kind of machine you want, don\'t get me wrong, having been a long term HP200LX user, and having owned a Clie I can say that one is a computer, the other is an organiser.
The Clie is a nice organiser, with cool features but its just a PDA, put your phone numbers in and sync, that\'s as exciting as it gets. Beneath the bling application launcher and built-in Sony apps (i.e. for the camera etc) it\'s plain old Palm OS, as unsophisticated as the m130 - a let down for the money. The C series Z\'s are more in the vain of the HP200LX, that was a full DOS handheld PC, the Z is a full computer but now with Linux instead, it has FAR more usefulness and scope.
I realised within a month my Clie was a mistake, a bad one, I had seen this strange thing called a SL-C700 at Expansys and I was impressed. I gave my Clie the best treatment I could, I destroyed it with a mighty whack from my \"Corrective Hammer of Justice\" in the garden, usually reserved for smashing old crap. I got a 5500 from eBay and I loved it, it was everything I wanted in terms of a pocket computer. Now I have an C860, it took a year to go from Clie to Z and I thank the Almighty I did, it is the best thing since sliced bread.
Any Z, doesn\'t matter which, they are all good. Do let us know what you decide, and why ;-)
-Francis
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When ever someone compares the UX-50 & the C860 there is usually mention made of how the UX-50\'s keyboard \"lights up\".
Well, folks, my C860\'s keyboard ALSO \"lights up\" <G>. When its too dark to easily read the keys, I simply tilt the screen about 10-15 degrees towards me.
This lets me still read the screen while, at the same time, shining the backlight down on the keyboard, making it easily readable even in total darkness.
So, we can eliminate THAT \"difference\" once & for all!! <G>
Bob W
Miami FL
C860 with 512Mb CF & 512Mb SD (AND a keyboard that \"lights up\"!)
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I haven\'t got my SL-C860 yet but I was also thinking that the screen light would usually light up the keyboard and you solved it!!!!
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When ever someone compares the UX-50 & the C860 there is usually mention made of how the UX-50\'s keyboard \"lights up\".
Well, folks, my C860\'s keyboard ALSO \"lights up\" <G>. When its too dark to easily read the keys, I simply tilt the screen about 10-15 degrees towards me.
This lets me still read the screen while, at the same time, shining the backlight down on the keyboard, making it easily readable even in total darkness.
So, we can eliminate THAT \"difference\" once & for all!! <G>
Bob W
Miami FL
C860 with 512Mb CF & 512Mb SD (AND a keyboard that \"lights up\"!)
LOL! You are absolutely right, oh my word.... :-)
The importance people can place on a couple of LEDs is astonishing.. I use my 860 in the dark all the time, no problem at all.
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Wow,
I feel almost at home. I too have a broken hp200lx on my kitchen table. I have used this baby for a looong time! I have looked and looked for a replacement, and finally made a decision for the SL-C860. I am now anixously awaiting for it to arrive. I too got it off of ebay. I haven\'t yet decided which rom to use, but am reading the boards like crazy! :shock:
Lareya
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Seems like there is a whole bunch of us waiting for our shiny new C860\'s!!!!
Hehehehe...I can\'t wait!
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[snip]Finally found a hex/binary editor for the C860 in Hi. [snip]
Bob,
Where is this hex editor? I haven\'t come across it; can\'t find it on ZSI or handango.
Thanks,
~ray
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~ray:
Binary Editor (hi) <like vi but hex> by Kazunori Mita; current v2.2
Japanese <http://ww2.plala.or.ja/mita/download/hi/info.html>
English <http://ww2.plala.or.ja/mita/download/hi/info_en.html>
a command line utility to edit files or memory
Syntax:
hi {file [file ...] | -m shmid [-m shmid ...] | -m shmid [-m shmid ...] | [--help] [--version]
if you have Midnight Commander then you can also use CTRL-3 to view the file under the selection bar, then CTRL-4 to view it in hex. (CTRL-2 from there to edit).
Still wish there were a simple viewer utility like LIST, though.
Bob W
Miami FL
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I paid £565, that\'s $1,039 USD at today\'s prices and it took me a year to save for it (it was a C700 when I started, but the C860 was out by the time I was ready to buy) and I think it was worth every hard earned penny.
My 760 cost me £380 including delivery. I suppose I was lucky that customs didn\'t notice it so I didn\'t pay any duty. I bought it just a couple of weeks before the 860 was released. I couldn\'t be happier with it.
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Bob: Thanks! I\'ll go check that out....
~ray
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the link to hi doesn\'t work - I think it should be www2, not ww2, but in any case I get a bad DNS or a not found. Maybe it is down for maintainence or something.
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~Ray & tz -
Sorry, folks. Copied that URL for hi from the program\'s \"About\" but failed to check it. Mela Maxima Culpa.
Found it initially under \"Terminal Tools\" at
http://www.ayati.com/KOMONO/c7soft.htm (http://www.ayati.com/KOMONO/c7soft.htm) (Japanese)
which links to
http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/unix/util/se153738.html (http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/unix/util/se153738.html) (also Japanese)
THIS time I just verified that both those were up & available <G>.
If your Japanese reading ability is not very good, you\'ll probably have to Babel Fish the 2nd URL but that one IS the main page for \'hi\'.
Sorry for the confusion.
Bob W
Miami FL
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I paid £565, that\'s $1,039 USD at today\'s prices and it took me a year to save for it (it was a C700 when I started, but the C860 was out by the time I was ready to buy) and I think it was worth every hard earned penny.
My 760 cost me £380 including delivery. I suppose I was lucky that customs didn\'t notice it so I didn\'t pay any duty. I bought it just a couple of weeks before the 860 was released. I couldn\'t be happier with it.
Not bad, they\'re great machines, I just wanted a warranty etc. with mine, fingers crossed, I\'ll never need it. ;-)
Big hello to all 200LXers, nice to see that people that are used to real palmtops seem to find their way to a Z.
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Not bad, they\'re great machines, I just wanted a warranty etc. with mine, fingers crossed, I\'ll never need it. ;-)
I just ordered my C860. Hopefully will have it by mid-week.....can\'t wait!!