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Model Specific Forums => Gemini PDA => Gemini PDA - Hardware => Topic started by: Varti on January 03, 2018, 07:49:33 am
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Last updated: 19/03/2018
This is an updated list of all the keyboard layouts that have been finalized as of now. All the layouts have been taken from eedesign's PDF document, which you can find attached at the end of this post. Please refer to it also for a list of the charger's plugs which will be shipped with each keyboard choice. Thanks eedesign for forwarding me all the layouts!
New: Added the following new layouts: Chinese, Danish/Norwegian, Dvorak, Hebrew, Hungarian, Korean, Polish, Portuguese and Thai. Layouts reordered and numbered as in the PDF and on the keyboard’s selection list. Merged this post and the next one (which listed which keyboards were released and which not) into one.
1./2./3. UK layout v1.5
For UK, rest of Europe, Japan
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4./5./6. US layout v1.2
For US, Europe, Japan
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7. US International layout
Dropped
8. Arabic layout v3
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9./28. German/Austrian layout v2.2
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10. Belgian (Flemish) layout
Dropped
11./19. Belgian (Wallonian)/French layout v3
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12. Brazilian layout
Dropped
13. Chinese layout v2
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14. Czech layout v1.3
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15. Croatian layout v2
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16./28. Danish/Norvegian layout v1
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17. Dvorak layout v1
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18./33. Finnish/Swedish layout v2
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20. German layout v2.2
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21. Greek layout v2
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22. Hebrew layout v2
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23. Hungarian layout v1
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24. Italian layout v2
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25. Japanese layout (Kana) v6
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26. Korean layout v2
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27. Latin American US International layout
Dropped
29. Polish layout v2
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30. Portuguese layout v1
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31. Russian layout v3
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32. Spanish layout v1.2
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34. Swiss layout v1
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35. Thai layout v5
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Icelandic layout v1 (Special order only)
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Varti
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Last updated: 24/02/2018
This is a list of the previous revisions of the keyboards, as they were published on the Indiegogo page. They are not the latest version of the layouts, so they are listed here only for historical reasons.
UK (2017-06-27) (No larger rotated version of this one)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...rf8yzdta12o.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-06-27-uk-esiqbm0nhrf8yzdta12o.png)
UK Revised (2017-07-12)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...1ikdfpvcru7.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-07-12-uk-r-b9qs92daq1ikdfpvcru7.png)
Russian(2017-07-27)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...m6wzheswpst.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-07-12-ru-r-ptswlledbm6wzheswpst.png)
Spanish (2017-07-27)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...q9kdlcdvbsq.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-07-12-sp-r-xgnprcsrnq9kdlcdvbsq.png)
Arabic (2017-07-27)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...7sywq7gtvsj.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-07-27-arabic-r-rswojckko7sywq7gtvsj.png)
Greek (2017-07-27)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...7aswgn4p3ed.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-07-27-greek-r-d3iqewyi07aswgn4p3ed.png)
Japanese Kana (2017-08-16)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...sjpwg89n8do.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-08-16-jp-kana-r-geox4xzblsjpwg89n8do.png)
US (2017-08-16)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...eigj0lakuu2.png (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-08-16-us-r-vt6ybgrz4eigj0lakuu2.png)
French (2017-10-24)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...yaqgprfyj06.jpg (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-10-24-french-r-gzwonlekyyaqgprfyj06.jpg)
German (2017-10-24)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...dwwazbx2k0a.jpg (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2017-10-24-german-r-ee3ekgkludwwazbx2k0a.jpg)
Italian (2017-01-19)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...610636718_n.jpg (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2018-01-19-it-h-26231643_10216446950313108_7237607224610636718_n.jpg)
Czech (2017-01-19)
http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards...457579510_n.jpg (http://blueapples.org/img/gemini/keyboards/2018-01-19-cz-h-26730817_10214219479103092_9078558586457579510_n.jpg)
EDIT: Updated by Varti.
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Here is a list of the languages from the Smartsheet with a note as to if we have the layout or not:
United Kingdom (UK) keyboard - for use in the UK -- YES
United Kingdom (UK) keyboard - for use in Europe (non-UK) -- NO
United Kingdom (UK) keyboard - for use in Japan -- NO
United States (US) keyboard - for use in the US -- YES
United States (US) keyboard - for use in Europe (non-UK) -- NO
United States (US) keyboard - for use in Japan -- NO
US International keyboard -- NO
Arabic keyboard -- YES
Austrian keyboard (same as German keyboard) -- YES
Belgian (Flemish) -- NO
Belgian (Wallonian) -- NO
Brazilian -- NO
Chinese keyboard -- NO
Czech keyboard -- NO
Croatian keyboard -- NO
Danish keyboard -- NO
Dvorak keyboard -- NO
Finnish keyboard -- NO
French keyboard -- YES
German keyboard -- YES
Greek keyboard -- YES
Hebrew keyboard -- NO
Hungarian keyboard -- NO
Italian keyboard -- NO
Japanese keyboard (Kana) -- YES
Korean keyboard -- NO
Latin American US International -- NO
Norwegian keyboard -- NO
Polish keyboard -- NO
Portuguese keyboard -- NO
Russian keyboard -- NO
Spanish keyboard -- NO
Swedish keyboard -- NO
Swiss keyboard -- NO
Thai keyboard -- NO
Are some of these keyboards not the same? My understanding (for example) is that all the UK keyboards are exactly the same, but supplied with a different mains adapter specific to each country. (IE UK keyboard for use in UK has a three pronged plug, UK keyboard for use in Europe is the same keyboard, but with a two pronged European plug).
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From Twitter:
Hi. I had a query about the keyboards on the Gemini. On the keyboard questionnaire, it differentiates between different variants of the UK keyboard, including one for use in the UK, and another for use in Europe. What're the differences between these keyboards?
Replying to @Tempest84
There is no difference between keyboard layouts. Just the plug type is different.
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From Twitter:
Hi. I had a query about the keyboards on the Gemini. On the keyboard questionnaire, it differentiates between different variants of the UK keyboard, including one for use in the UK, and another for use in Europe. What're the differences between these keyboards?
Replying to @Tempest84
There is no difference between keyboard layouts. Just the plug type is different.
Ah okay I was wondering on that. Could we assume that this applies to the US International as well? What plug would that be exactly? I am from the US, order a lot of gear from the UK, and have only traveled to Canada (very briefly) and Korea so I am not personally familiar with most plug types.
I will update the list to mark all of those languages as YES with a note that we believe they are the same layout based on this source.
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Are some of these keyboards not the same? My understanding (for example) is that all the UK keyboards are exactly the same, but supplied with a different mains adapter specific to each country. (IE UK keyboard for use in UK has a three pronged plug, UK keyboard for use in Europe is the same keyboard, but with a two pronged European plug).
Those are probably the same (though US-style wide enter vs ISO-style tall enter variants exist in some brands). Swedish and Finnish layouts are typically identical.
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Here is a list of the languages from the Smartsheet with a note as to if we have the layout or not:
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Russian keyboard -- NO
Spanish keyboard -- NO
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Spanish and Russian layouts were shown in the 2017-07-12 update (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/updates/18), below the revised UK layout.
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Spanish and Russian layouts were shown in the 2017-07-12 update (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/updates/18), below the revised UK layout.
Thanks for the catch, this has been updated.
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The Italian and Czech layouts have been published on the Gemini Planet Facebook page, here are the direct links:
Italian:
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...amp;oe=5AEA9DC9 (https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26231643_10216446950313108_7237607224610636718_n.jpg?oh=be1f9b44793b8b064dd1c9b577f1b05c&oe=5AEA9DC9)
Czech:
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...amp;oe=5AE1C719 (https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26730817_10214219479103092_9078558586457579510_n.jpg?oh=ff65f4e5a0d2d0472736e441c04bb71d&oe=5AE1C719)
Varti
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The Italian and Czech layouts have been published on the Gemini Planet Facebook page, here are the direct links:
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Thanks, images and list updated.
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I just got a conformation that there won't be either Belgian keyboard because of insufficient uptake.
Belgian (Wallonian) is replaced with the French Azerty keyboard and Belgian (Flemish) will be US Qwerty.
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The UK and US keyboard layouts have been finalised, notice the change of the enter-key on the US keyboard:
https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusi...outs-finalised/ (https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusive-all-gemini-keyboard-layouts-finalised/)
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The UK and US keyboard layouts have been finalised, notice the change of the enter-key on the US keyboard:
https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusi...outs-finalised/ (https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusive-all-gemini-keyboard-layouts-finalised/)
ARRRGGHHH!! They bungled the US layout.
The wide Enter key instead of tall was a good thing. Gone.
OK, so, getting over the Enter key - yeah, probably changed for product consistency.
So - where are the quote ' and doublequote " hidden?
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I just got a conformation that there won't be either Belgian keyboard because of insufficient uptake.
Belgian (Wallonian) is replaced with the French Azerty keyboard and Belgian (Flemish) will be US Qwerty.
The UK and US keyboard layouts have been finalised, notice the change of the enter-key on the US keyboard:
https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusi...outs-finalised/ (https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusive-all-gemini-keyboard-layouts-finalised/)
Thanks for your posts, notes added for both.
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I just got a conformation that there won't be either Belgian keyboard because of insufficient uptake.
Belgian (Wallonian) is replaced with the French Azerty keyboard and Belgian (Flemish) will be US Qwerty.
The UK and US keyboard layouts have been finalised, notice the change of the enter-key on the US keyboard:
https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusi...outs-finalised/ (https://geminiplanet.com/2018/01/23/exclusive-all-gemini-keyboard-layouts-finalised/)
Thanks for your posts, notes added for both.
Although it is hard to see in the pics, there is no difference between the Enter key on the UK and US keyboards. To check this out for yourself, open the pictures in an editor and turn up the brightness.
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As a Swede, I note we seem to have lost the dead accent key. There's no obvious way to spell idé (which indeed is a distinct word from ide). But we apparently get to keep the completely unused ¤ and § symbols. I'm not that upset; this format was going to be a compromise from the start. Perhaps it's a less clear method like shift+fn+i e? As a sidenote, I wonder what our word for idé was before loaning that from french...
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As a Swede, I note we seem to have lost the dead accent key. There's no obvious way to spell idé (which indeed is a distinct word from ide). But we apparently get to keep the completely unused ¤ and § symbols. I'm not that upset; this format was going to be a compromise from the start. Perhaps it's a less clear method like shift+fn+i e? As a sidenote, I wonder what our word for idé was before loaning that from french...
Normal Android methodology - used elsewhere as well (Linux based e-Readers & the like) is to press & hold the unaccented key for a moment then a menu pops up allowing you to toggle through the accented versions of the base character. I don't know if that type of system will be used on the Gemini, but I wouldn't count it out.
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As a Swede, I note we seem to have lost the dead accent key. There's no obvious way to spell idé (which indeed is a distinct word from ide). But we apparently get to keep the completely unused ¤ and § symbols. I'm not that upset; this format was going to be a compromise from the start. Perhaps it's a less clear method like shift+fn+i e? As a sidenote, I wonder what our word for idé was before loaning that from french...
Normal Android methodology - used elsewhere as well (Linux based e-Readers & the like) is to press & hold the unaccented key for a moment then a menu pops up allowing you to toggle through the accented versions of the base character. I don't know if that type of system will be used on the Gemini, but I wouldn't count it out.
I think that one of the early reviews -- Gemini Planet, maybe -- mentioned that this exists on the production gadget.
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Normal Android methodology - used elsewhere as well (Linux based e-Readers & the like) is to press & hold the unaccented key for a moment then a menu pops up allowing you to toggle through the accented versions of the base character. I don't know if that type of system will be used on the Gemini, but I wouldn't count it out.
I think that one of the early reviews -- Gemini Planet, maybe -- mentioned that this exists on the production gadget.
Yes, this has been confirmed to be working by Mike Halsey, he tried this on his Gemini.
Varti
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I received the following keyboard layouts from Robin today.
13. Chinese keyboard
16. Danish keyboard
17. Dvorak keyboard
22. Hebrew keyboard
23. Hungarian keyboard
26. Korean keyboard
28. Norwegian keyboard
29. Polish keyboard
30. Portuguese keyboard
35. Thai keyboard
Attached are the pdf and image files.
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Thanks eedesign, I'll update the list later today.
Varti
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First post updated.
Varti
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I just noticed that in the Dvorak layout, the entire bottom row is shifted left one key because normally the ";" is placed where the qwerty "Z" key is. IFor Dvorak, the QKJXBMWV and Z keys are all in the wrong position--they're typed with different fingers!
However there's no room to fit all the alphabet characters in the normal Dvorak positions without moving the right shift and arrow cluster because the V should be where the up arrow is, and the Z should be where the right shift is. If the Fn can be moved to the right of the space, perhaps there's room for the arrow cluster on the left by sacrificing the ";" key (the Z in qwerty).
I know that only the UK and US layouts have been produced. Have the other layouts been finalized?
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In Fin/Swe layout I would prefer to have 'ä' as a primary, not 'ö'. Not sure about Swedish but in Finnish letter 'ö' is in a few words but 'ä' exist most frequently.
Finnish keyboard settings doesn't work properly, but Swedish does, so no problem.
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In Fin/Swe layout I would prefer to have 'ä' as a primary, not 'ö'. Not sure about Swedish but in Finnish letter 'ö' is in a few words but 'ä' exist most frequently.
Finnish keyboard settings doesn't work properly, but Swedish does, so no problem.
I added a Gemini Fin/Swe layout with swapped Ä/Ö in FinQwerty (https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/) (GitHub (https://github.com/anssih/finqwerty), Google Play (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fi.onse.qwerty.finnish)).
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I received the following keyboard layouts from Robin today.
13. Chinese keyboard
16. Danish keyboard
17. Dvorak keyboard
22. Hebrew keyboard
23. Hungarian keyboard
26. Korean keyboard
28. Norwegian keyboard
29. Polish keyboard
30. Portuguese keyboard
35. Thai keyboard
Attached are the pdf and image files.
The polish layout seems to be missing '?' (doesn't display here but the letter C with apostrophe above it), can it be fixed by editing some config files on the device? Wonder if that can be fixed for Cosmo, as it's a bit late (also not sure how the layout could be fixed as all keys seem to have all 3, would need to drop something less useful like maybe the smiley)
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Not sure about Swedish but in Finnish letter 'ö' is in a few words but 'ä' exist most frequently.
In Finnish, Ä is over eight times as common as Ö, but in Swedish they are roughly equally common (Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency)). I guess the rationale is that, on a regular Swedish/Finnish keyboard, Ö is the letter expected to sit to the right of L.
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I hope that Planet Computers could consider to redesign Finnish/Swedish layout. Ä letter is much common in both languages than Ö like users have reported here.
- Finnish: https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-finnish (https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-finnish) (Ä: 5.21 %, Ö: 0.39 %)
- Swedish: https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-swedish (https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-swedish) (Ä: 2.10 %, Ö: 1.50 %)
I am proposing that Planet Computers could swap Ö and Ä letters. I know that many people are using FinQwerty (https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/#geminipda) app to remap those buttons on Gemini PDA and Cosmo Communicator. It is hard to type Ä if you have to press FN button first. You can find my suggestion below.
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Another idea is that maybe Planet Computers could sacrifice Shift button on the right for Ä letter. Then both Ä and Ö would be available for easy typing. Personally I would like that option. See the image below.
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If Planet Computers do not want to redesign layouts they could at least provide extra keys as a spare parts for their customers. I would be ready to buy these extra keys and change keys by myself. Then I would have to remap keys on software level also but that is a easy task.
I have sent email to Planet Computers and got response that email is forwarded to "the relevant department for future reviewing". If you like my idea, please, send email to Planet Computers so maybe they could actually take this into account.
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I hope that Planet Computers could consider to redesign Finnish/Swedish layout. Ä letter is much common in both languages than Ö like users have reported here.- Finnish: https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-finnish (https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-finnish) (Ä: 5.21 %, Ö: 0.39 %)
- Swedish: https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-swedish (https://www.sttmedia.com/characterfrequency-swedish) (Ä: 2.10 %, Ö: 1.50 %)
I am proposing that Planet Computers could swap Ö and Ä letters. I know that many people are using FinQwerty (https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/#geminipda) app to remap those buttons on Gemini PDA and Cosmo Communicator. It is hard to type Ä if you have to press FN button first. You can find my suggestion below.
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Another idea is that maybe Planet Computers could sacrifice Shift button on the right for Ä letter. Then both Ä and Ö would be available for easy typing. Personally I would like that option. See the image below.
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If Planet Computers do not want to redesign layouts they could at least provide extra keys as a spare parts for their customers. I would be ready to buy these extra keys and change keys by myself. Then I would have to remap keys on software level also but that is a easy task.
I have sent email to Planet Computers and got response that email is forwarded to "the relevant department for future reviewing". If you like my idea, please, send email to Planet Computers so maybe they could actually take this into account.
I used to use special character buttons until I discovered US-International Layout, you basically type letters by holding alt or alt + shift for uppercase, something I found fairly quick to get in muscle memory.
Since I also do some programming, US layout is handy for non-letter characters.
Unfortunately for me, I haven't gotten this to work in debian, which is my preferred OS on gemini, but no problem on Android.
I know this doesn't solve your problem, but maybe an alternative you could experiment with.
best
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I used to use special character buttons until I discovered US-International Layout, you basically type letters by holding alt or alt + shift for uppercase, something I found fairly quick to get in muscle memory.
Since I also do some programming, US layout is handy for non-letter characters.
Unfortunately for me, I haven't gotten this to work in debian, which is my preferred OS on gemini, but no problem on Android.
I know this doesn't solve your problem, but maybe an alternative you could experiment with.
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Thanks for your help. There are various software fixes for the issue but I am looking for hardware fix also. For that part Planet Computers must redesign the layout or at least provide extra keys as spare parts. If there would be one key labeled Ä available then user could replace either Ö or Shift on the right with it. Planet Computers could generate some money flow by selling extra keys.