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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 02, 2003, 03:16:46 pm
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what\'s up with that? Spencer only posted his goodbyes and now I can\'t get to devnet.
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Yes I\'ve just noticed that too. What did Spencer say?
Si
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He said that he was moving to california and that you might still be able to see him at the trade shows. He also gave an email address to contact him and then the lights went out.
Hey ofrdgeek,
If their tearing down the devnet, maybe they can give the archive to you?
Yes I\'ve just noticed that too. What did Spencer say?
Si
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I really hope they didn\'t shut down the devnet forums. But that would not surprise me either. I hope there is no need for the gloom and doom going on in my head right now. (Actually got to touch a Tungsten|E today. Sure looks good.)
dpeach
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Actually, it may not be that bad. Since the whole Zaurus.com site is down, I would suspect they are doing maintenance or that something has gone wrong and it will be up again. It could come back up without the forums intact, but at least I hold a ray of hope.
Thanks for letting me post on your board.
dpeach
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Well I hope your right dpeach and that it\'s just a real bad coinsidence.
At least we still have the ZUG here in the mean time.
Jim
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Actually I always felt that the Devnet forum was maintained and seen only by Spencer - more like his own personal obsession / passion / interest whatever you call it.
I doubt wether Sharp even needs the forum or the view points expressed in the forum, since after all they never seemed to pay any heed whatsoever (except Spencer in his own little ways).
So I wouldnt be too surprised to see it go. Again after Spencer, who takes over as the Sharp spokesman, or is it now just us developers and users who get to talk their minds there ?
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Sorry all, I\'ve been out of commission for the last couple days wih the flu. I didn\'t see Spencer\'s note on the devnet forums, but I have to say that I knew this was coming...
When I was in Vegas, he and I spoke for a bit, and he let me in on a few harsh realities... apparently there were a few changes in priorities in Sharp USA, his department was shrunk from 20 something people down to 3. It seems clear now that they also aren\'t interested in supporting the devnet forums and the developers any longer. I asked him if he was looking for other work, and he said yes. I wasn\'t too surprised. He also said that the devnet forums would probably be shutdown once he left. That\'s why he was so supportive of the ZUG, and the documentation contest.
He also took some heat for the sl-6000 pictures I took. He called me and said that Sharp Japan was pist, and he asked me to take them down for a short period.
If anyone took note of Spencer\'s new email, please forward it to me. If he\'s already left Sharp, then I don\'t know if he can get us access to the devnet forums, for archiving purposes. But I think it\'s worth a try.
I don\'t believe I could import the forums directly into the ZUG forums, as they are different boards. But I could at least host an archive of the forums.
I truely hope the community doesn\'t disappear because of this.
offroadgeek
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This is going on memory of a guy who needed a pda, but I think it was spencerhuang at yahoo dot com
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I\'ve been on holiday for the past week or so and missed all this.
Does IBM realise how little Sharp are prepared to support their product? I would have thought that all the zaurus.com stuff would have been really useful for even the commercial developers that Sharp/IBM hope to have for the enterprise market.
I\'m beginning to think my next PDA will be a Palm....
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I\'d still take a clamshell linux device with a tkcrom or OZ. The x11 is exciting too. It might even lower development requirements (just a guess).
I\'ve been on holiday for the past week or so and missed all this.
Does IBM realise how little Sharp are prepared to support their product? I would have thought that all the zaurus.com stuff would have been really useful for even the commercial developers that Sharp/IBM hope to have for the enterprise market.
I\'m beginning to think my next PDA will be a Palm....
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If this is the way the brakes are applied on the Zaurus support (and by inference Zaurus app development) I think I will put off my purchase of the C860 also. I mean a handheld without the application develeopment group is no goood for me. Might as well consider a Sony Clie (the clamshell maybe).
I wonder what is Sharp\'s priorities , particularly since they are still sticking to the Zaurus series in the US (with the 6000) ? How can a dissolving a vibrant forum and community help them in any way, even in the enterprise sphere. I thought it can only bring value addition.
Nilch
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Does IBM realise how little Sharp are prepared to support their product? I would have thought that all the zaurus.com stuff would have been really useful for even the commercial developers that Sharp/IBM hope to have for the enterprise market.
I actually think there is a big difference in supporting a consumer product vs. an enteprise product.
With a consumer product, the only $$ the company gets paid for support is with the initial purchase of the product, unless of course they charge support fees, which I believe most companies don\'t for consumer/retail products.
On the other hand, with enteprise products, if a company were to buy a SL-6000 from Sharp, they would typically buy a packaged solution (software + hardware) from Sharp and IBM, and this would include standard maintenance agreement. Which generally runs from 18 - 20% of the software costs.
With this partnership, I would imagine IBM would be taking up support for the software, and Sharp would support the hardware. Either way, they would have maintenance dollars coming in each year to help offset support costs.
Just my thoughts on this...
offroadgeek
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I truely hope the community doesn\'t disappear because of this.
Considering this site seems to be the only community site that exists now I hope you don\'t give up on the Zaurus either.
zaurus.loveslinux.com died and zaurii.net quietly disappeared. It\'s hard to tell if zaurus.com is down for good. The whois database still lists zaurus.com as a registered domain, with Spencer as the domain contact. Yet because the zaurus.com host was also the DNS server for the zaurus.com domain you get DNS errors when you try to resolve zaurus.com now.
Maybe Spencer will drop by here at some point and give a few more details. It will definitely be a shame if zaurus.com disappears permanently, if only for the community.zaurus.com site. I know the ZUG has downloads, but community.zaurus.com did a bit more than host downloads.
I still think zarus.com would be a very useful resource for developers in enterprise projects.
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hmm, its a shame that Sharp no longer wants to support us. I really do hope they will at least get us a copy of the archive of the forum. So that we can have that for reference of old questions. I really hope this community doesn\'t die either. Now its all we have. Hopefully spencer stops by and gives us a little more info.
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Anyone know an address that we can inundate with our disapproval of this move? I dont mean being ugly, just a support address where we can ask what happened to the forums and let them know that there is a group of people that would really like to get to the information.
dpeach
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Wow, I really am speechles here, this is really unfortunate.
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Anyone know an address that we can inundate with our disapproval of this move? I dont mean being ugly, just a support address where we can ask what happened to the forums and let them know that there is a group of people that would really like to get to the information.
dpeach
According to the myzaurus.com page (which hasn\'t been updated for about 6 months), the contacts are:
zaurussupport@sharpsec.com
myZaurusMaster@sharpsec.com
Judging from past experience in trying to contact Sharp, I wouldn\'t hold
out much hope. Spencer is the only person at Sharp who ever responded to
an email.
What I really find upsetting, is that Sharp couldn\'t even bother to let us know that they are pulling the plug. I have never ever had the misfortune of dealing with ANY other company that treats it\'s customers with such little respect.
Clive
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uhm...
1) still exists the other forum: http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/index.php (http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/index.php), but I guess we should focus in just one
2) I\'m amazed with sharp actions; develop and ship a new product, and the week after forget about it? Is that the final word to completelly kill this product line? Then, OZ is the way!
zmiq
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Just called up sharp,
They said the \"did not know\" that the site was down, and that they have no ETA as to if it\'s coming back. Supposedly, my concern will be directed to someone higher up on the foodchain.
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I spoke with Spencer this morning on his cell phone (glad to know it was his personal phone and not Sharp\'s!). Apparently he gave his two-weeks notice on Monday, and they just offered him to go the same day. He said he didn\'t realize that they would shut down the site so quickly, and also that he wasn\'t sure whether or not they would be bringing them back.
Shortly after that I called his (old) manager and left him a message. I had also met this guy in Vegas. He hasn\'t returned my call yet, but I still have hopes.
offroadgeek
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offroadgeek, if possible, can you get a backup of docs.zaurus.com, or the sf.net clone they had?
Apparantly, that was the only source for thekompany\'s rom, and I was hoping to use thier home-on-sd image, which, sadly, I had not downloaded.
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The information from docs.zaurus.com was put in the ZUG howto section a while ago by offroadgeek. I\'m sure theKompany will find another place for their ROM quite quickly.
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Here I am. My new zaurus is in transit. I haven\'t even laid a hand on it yet, and Sharp is pulling the plug.
:cry:
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gerry - tumnus is right.. it was the community site that had all the downloads... and I don\'t think anyone mirrored that.
Let\'s see if Sharp responds at all to our requests...
p.s. tkcrom 2.0alpha 3 initrd.bin -] zug downloads (http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=getit&lid=125)
tkcrom 2.0alpha 3 zimage -] zug downloads (http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=getit&lid=126)
I offered to proto a while ago to mirror the tkcrom files on the ZUG, but he said that he was happy with them on the community site
I just hope thekompany doesn\'t host them on their server.. .they have terrible throughput!
offroadgeek
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Here I am. My new zaurus is in transit. I haven\'t even laid a hand on it yet, and Sharp is pulling the plug.
:cry:
which zaurus did you purchase?
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Here I am. My new zaurus is in transit. I haven\'t even laid a hand on it yet, and Sharp is pulling the plug.
:cry:
which zaurus did you purchase?
I\'m getting an 860. Its in the country (Canada) at customs so I should have it tomorrow or Friday.
P.S. Even without Sharp support - I\'m sure I\'ll still enjoy it. As long as I can get the development tools, I\'ll be able to do everything I want with it.
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P.S. Even without Sharp support - I\'m sure I\'ll still enjoy it. As long as I can get the development tools, I\'ll be able to do everything I want with it.
Just post what your looking for I\'m sure the community will come through then we can build up the downloads here as well.
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Here I am. My new zaurus is in transit. I haven\'t even laid a hand on it yet, and Sharp is pulling the plug.
:cry:
which zaurus did you purchase?
I\'m getting an 860. Its in the country (Canada) at customs so I should have it tomorrow or Friday.
P.S. Even without Sharp support - I\'m sure I\'ll still enjoy it. As long as I can get the development tools, I\'ll be able to do everything I want with it.
I just got a 760 a few weeks ago. I\'m not at all impressed with Sharp, but I am thoroughly enthralled with my Z!
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well it looks like it will be opie for my zaurus.
Glad I didn\'t spend too much time re-writing notessync, it would be for nothing.
I\'ll just make it work with opie
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bad news . I got home today hoping to find my c760 delivered, because it was scheduled to get here today. well, no package. I check the tracking number on www.ups.com, and it says it was delivered and that they left it on the doorstep.
It either got stolen or they delivered it to the wrong house, i\'m hoping wrong house, because I didn\'t even find the little note they leave on the door when no one is home to accept the delivery.with this and zaurus.com going down, i am just pissed off today. :x
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omin0us, the same happened to me too once, they just post that its delivered, but the van had never come to my house since my wife was in that day.
We immediately followed UPS to one of their delivery stations and picked it up from there. I was that desperate...
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well it looks like it will be opie for my zaurus.
Glad I didn\'t spend too much time re-writing notessync, it would be for nothing.
I\'ll just make it work with opie
What do you mean by Opie. Will Opie be able to sync with Lotus Notes? How?
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Hi Everyone,
It is true that I have left Sharp to pursue another opportunity. It has been a pleasure meeting you all through the DevNet and even in person. I feel like I have \'bonded\' with many of you and wish everyone the best.
Unfortunately Sharp and I were not a good match. I don\'t want to get into the details, but probably many of you could understand my frustrations. And this new opportunity is better suited for me. Who doesn\'t love Sunny California? (this is rhetorical
In any case you can reach me at spencerhuang AT hotmail DOT com. Please do not ask me anything related to Sharp or future products as I cannot comment on them (especially now that I have just left). Again, it\'s been a pleasure and I hope to keep in touch with many of you. You may see me at future trade shows or events.
All the best.
Spencer
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Hi Everyone,
It is true that I have left Sharp to pursue another opportunity. It has been a pleasure meeting you all through the DevNet and even in person. I feel like I have \'bonded\' with many of you and wish everyone the best.
Unfortunately Sharp and I were not a good match. I don\'t want to get into the details, but probably many of you could understand my frustrations. And this new opportunity is better suited for me. Who doesn\'t love Sunny California? (this is rhetorical
In any case you can reach me at spencerhuang AT hotmail DOT com. Please do not ask me anything related to Sharp or future products as I cannot comment on them (especially now that I have just left). Again, it\'s been a pleasure and I hope to keep in touch with many of you. You may see me at future trade shows or events.
All the best.
Spencer
well, even though we are all sad to see zaurus.com and the forums gone. I wish you the best of luck with your new endevers. I have a feeling that the comunity will keep going strong here and the ZUG forums will become the new place to come for help. along with the IRC channels on irc.freenode.net. namely #openzaurus, #zaurus, #handhelds.org, and #opie.
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I did a wget -r http://docs.zaurus.com/feed (http://docs.zaurus.com/feed)
You can get the same at http://www.spy.org/zaurus/public/feed/docs-zaurus-com/ (http://www.spy.org/zaurus/public/feed/docs-zaurus-com/)
My DNS is a little squirely... I\'ll be adding more servers shortly.
Scott
ps: 69.13.149.159
pps: I believe these files are moving around now. They might end up here (too).
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you can also find the docs.zaurus.com/feed mirrored here on the zug...
www.zaurususergroup.com/feed
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Okay, don\'t tell me I\'ve been waiting all this time for 2.0 of NotesSync, and now I need to put Opie on my Z....
How would you like to see a couple of hundred hours of work shot?
Actually I stopped work on v2 last month when I found IBM has a module for Websphere Everyplace that uses SyncXML to sync the zaurus to Lotus DOmino or Exchange. AccessClient loads SyncXML, DB2 and PIM interface on the Zaurus. I just need a spare server for Websphere Everyplace to test it out.
That kills the enterprise market and now Sharp kills the consumer market.
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Spencer, good to see you. Thanks for dropping in.
When you get a chance, let us know where you are at, so we can buy your product there and keep pestering you.
dpeach
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Oops, whacked this contribution from \"guest\" when doing a forum split. Posted for posterity. Without further a\'do....THE POST!
hmm, its a shame that Sharp no longer wants to support us. I really do hope they will at least get us a copy of the archive of the forum. So that we can have that for reference of old questions. I really hope this community doesn\'t die either. Now its all we have. Hopefully spencer stops by and gives us a little more info.
There is a lot of pesimism going on here. Maybe I\'m just overly optimistic, buy nobody has actually said that sharp is no longer supporting. All that has happened is that the site has gone down for a day or 4. That has happened before, and will happen again. Just my 2 bits.
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Yet the signs are not really good neither. If a company holds their web presence in high esteem, they can restore their machine quicker than that.