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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => 6000 - Tosa => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 13, 2004, 03:45:49 am
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Since SL-6000 has USB host, is that possible to attach USB DVD?
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I was wondering the same thing. I believe it would be possible since it would just show up as a mass storage device which should already have drivers... but then again, I\'m probably wrong. I intend on getting an SL-6000 when it is available and trying this as one of my first projects. I\'ll let you know my success/failures when it happens.
Note: It\'ll only show up as read-only I\'m sure since reading is more of a generic thing but if it\'s a DVD-RW or CD-RW I don\'t believe it would be possible although the drive should still show up for reading. Well, it could be possible if the manufacturer released some drivers for it (hah, right) or if some developers released generic writing drivers (which I don\'t know is possible).
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By the way, is it USB 2.0 or 1.1?
I\'m thinking to connect USB video cam, USB TV, etc.
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It is good if I can connect it to my pocket HDD 40GB.
I store a lot music and video there. Hope I can direct play them via USB.
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http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/...SL-6000USB.html (http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/SL-6000USB.html)
If I got the specification right, it\'s USB 2.0. Please correct me if I\'m wrong ;-)
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So only the USB devices which meet OTG compliance can be connected.
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btw.: seems that Sony will not make it as the first on the marked with USB OTG:
http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2003/01.../28/043951.html (http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2003/01/28/043951.html)
*LOL*
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I found this note on the Philips site:
Note: An On-The-Go device is not limited to connection with another On-The-Go device. Since it has both USB host and USB peripheral built-in, it can become a normal USB host when a normal USB peripheral is connected; it can also become a normal USB peripheral when a USB host is connected.
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/buse.../otg/index.html (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/buses/usb/products/otg/index.html)
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By the way, is it USB 2.0 or 1.1?
I\'m thinking to connect USB video cam, USB TV, etc.
Don\'t know why, but it appears they went with 1.1, according to amazon.com, which has teh 6000 coming out on March 31. If it was 2.0, I\'d buy it immediately! I\'d love to use my 20GB MP3 USB2.0 player as a drive for the Z!
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The I/O bus on an embedded processor likely couldn\'t keep up with USB 2.0. For the same reason they use 802.11b rather than g. Anyway, all 2.0 devices are compatible with 1.1 host controllers, so there shouldn\'t be a problem using your drive.
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Doesn\'t G take more power than B? they are both compatible anyway
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Im a bit confused - is it possible to plug a camera directly into the zaurus somehow? I see that cable at http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus (http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus) allows you to plug the zaurus into a USB port - just like my camera does, but is there a way to bridge the two together without having a PC in the middle? Would a USB hub do the trick? Or is there way to plug the camera directly into the zaurus?
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I plugged my Magicvision USB camera into the Z using the cable being discussed in the \"USB Cable\" topic. The Z \"saw\" it as shown in dmesg. Unfortunately, no active driver. That doesn\'t shock me as I don\'t believe this camera works even under Red Hat. Maybe you will have better fortune.
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http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/SL-6000USB.html (http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/SL-6000USB.html)
If I got the specification right, it\'s USB 2.0. Please correct me if I\'m wrong ;-)
I think you might be wrong... :-) Or rather that page on serialio.com is wrong.
According to this:
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelDeta...1,1255-,00.html (http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelDetailedSpecs/0,1161,1255-,00.html)
the connector at the bottom of the Zaurus SL-6000 is a \"USB 1.1 host connector (mini type A)\".
I believe the dock has a mini-B connector which means it looks like a peripheral and must plug into a host (like a PC - which makes sense).
I will send email to serialio.com to inform them that their diagram is wrong (i.e. its *NOT* USB OTG).
Unless it is me that is wrong ... oh never mind :-) Cheers!
Murray...
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Just received my Archos ArkDisk 20G HDD tonight. Plugged into Z, mount /dev/sda1 and viola.... 20G of storage without external power!!!
First snag I hit is when I try to back up my 256M SD into the drive(by cp -R) and it hanged the Z. Don;t want to ocerload the Z, I hooked up the hard drive to my PC and copy the disk through a card reader. It gave me a lot of errors and keeps on crashing. So the culprit might be the crappy 256M Sandisk SD card I have instead of HDD.
So the disk is still awaitng further test but I am very encouraged by what I saw tonight.
FW
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Do you have a URL for it?
Googled:
Your search - Archos ArkDisk 20G HDD - did not match any documents.
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From my searching I think that this is referred device:
http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500455.html (http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500455.html)
Is that it? Are you using a USB CF card to connect the drive?
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The Archos 20G HDD is avaible at lot of places, newegg.com, amazon.com etc. I bought mine @ compuplus becasue newegg is currently out of stock till next week. Compuplus is cheapest anyway @$151 but you have to pay $14.95 for 2nd day shipping. In the end, it was still worth it because I ordered on Wednesday night and it arrived Friday morning. BTW, no affiliation to any of the above.
I am attching the HDD directly to the USB port of SL6000. Z recognize it right away. The cable I used is something I got from Staples which was discussed in other threads before.
Archos advertised the foot print of the HDD is smaller than a floppy drive. It\'snot till I saw it in person that I realized how small it is. Imagine two to three floppy disk stacked on top of each other and it\'s smaller than that.
I want to test to see if I can watch a Mepg-2 movie from it directly. If it\'s successful, I don;t have to go through the lengthly process of converting movies to avi again.
FW
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Quick update before I have to go out:
MP3 and MPEG-4 avis works directly from the HD. catch: neither Sharp mediaplayer nor Dr Z Video player search for items in /mnt/usbstorage. So I have to go to document tab and click on the files so their default applications will open them.
MP3 sounds no different playingf from SD. I detect a slight slow down on avi payback compared with my 512 SD. Then I tried a 720x480 30fps mpeg-2 and it was really bad as expected. I highly doubt if the processor can play that kind of video even from internal memory. I will need to convert some mpeg-2 to 320x240 @15fps to see it will work.
FW
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Create a symlink in /home/zaurus/Documents to /mnt/usbstorage - that way your media players acn find the stuff
Stu
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Hey lwong,
Zaurus --] USB Hard Drive = nice!
Regarding your Sandisk SD card errors..... I have had similar errors with my Zaurus SL5500 and Sandisk 512Mb SD card. After many tests and trials I\'ve decided my Sandisk drive suffers incompatibilities with the Zaurus, and I\'ve returned to using my well-behaved PNY 256Mb SD card. I\'ll be changing the Sandisk card for something else \'that works!\'
Regards,
Edo
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SL-5500, Sharp 3.10 ROM
256Mb PNY SD card (ext2 + fat16 format)
Linksys WCF12 Wireless card,
Rikaline GPS-6021-X6 compactflash card
SL-5500, OpenZaurus 3.2 ROM
Ambicom WL1100C-CF 802.11b wireless card
OEM-branded 128Mb MMC card (ext2 format)
512Mb Sandisk CF card (fat16 format)
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Just another data point, but I have used SanDisk SD cards (both of Chinese manufacture) of 256 and 512 sizes, in both vfat and ext2 formats, in two different Zaurii without difficulty.
lwong, nice writeup of this cool new Z add-on!
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Just another data point, but I have used SanDisk SD cards (both of Chinese manufacture) of 256 and 512 sizes, in both vfat and ext2 formats, in two different Zaurii without difficulty.
I just got some SanDisk 256MB cards and formatted them for the ext2 filesystem (fdisk type \"83\" Linux, mkfs /dev/mmcda1) for my two SL6000s as per the instructions on http://docs.zaurus.com/ (http://docs.zaurus.com/). Everything looked good, but after a while, I started getting flaky messages when I did \"ls\" on /mnt/card. This happened after I started filling up the filesystem, so I\'m guessing the formatting screwed up and made some necessary metadata a writable part of the filesystem, and as I filled it up I started clobbering the metadata. Now nothing seems to work. I tried using my digital camera to reformat to FAT16 format, but it now thinks my 256MB card has 3.6MB.
Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.
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so how is the battery life with the drive pluged in?
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I\'d like to hear some experiences owners have had with the CF host adapter and this USB drive. I\'d like to have one of these to install gentoo for zaurus on, instead of running it over NFS like I am doing now.
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I haven't really tried out the battery life with the drive attached at full times yet but casual use should not drain the batteries too badly.
FW
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So the Arkdisk with 40 GB storage does also work with the Zaurus!?
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So the Arkdisk with 40 GB storage does also work with the Zaurus!?
Haven't tried it myself. I suspect the 40G one will require just a bit more power to start up. With the size of the Arcdisk, IMHO, I would rather carry two then to risk of the bigger one doesn;t work.
FW
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Is correct, sounds plausible. But the 20-GB-Arkdisk you could recommend to me?
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Is correct, sounds plausible. But the 20-GB-Arkdisk you could recommend to me?
Jakob,
The 20G works for me just and I was very glad I bought it. Again, no affiliation to the manufacturer nor the merchant :-)
FW
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lwong,
In using the Archos 20GB HDD do you use it without any external power? I plug mine in and dmesg complains of errors saying that maybe i have a bad cable. If it plug it into a powered hub then I am able to use it without problems.
This drive isn't much use as a portable media if I have to have external power for it all the time.
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I have a 40gb Toshiba drive in a drive enclosure I bought from computer geeks for about $10. It has two usb connectors with one for power. I must either use a powered hub or plug it into an available usb port to supply sufficient power for the 6000 to properly recognize the drive.
I'm thinking about trying one of the following:
Lil Sync Battery Adaptor (http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=108719)
Boxwave Minisync Battery Adapter (http://www.boxwave.com/products/batteryadapter/index.htm)
Another benefit of using this is with a usb sync cable, you can also power and charge the zaurus.
Robert
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lwong,
In using the Archos 20GB HDD do you use it without any external power? I plug mine in and dmesg complains of errors saying that maybe i have a bad cable. If it plug it into a powered hub then I am able to use it without problems.
This drive isn't much use as a portable media if I have to have external power for it all the time.
The drive is powered purely by the Z. That's the beauty of it.
BTW, I think I saw it on sale this week in Circuit City for $149. The price is coming down...
Frank W
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I wonder if my Goldx cable is faulty not letting enough power to the hdd. I am getting a usb mini a to mini b cable and going to try that out.
I'd love it to be powered by the zaurus.
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For anyone who has this hard drive, I have a couple of questions because I am considering getting one. I was wondering how much it affects the battery and if it is possible to copy from a compact flash card to the hard drive. I would love to be able to copy pictures from my digital camera's compact flash card. Thanks!
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I'm doing just that this week with a 6000L and an external 10gb laptop hard drive I put into an enclosure. The enclosure/drive draw too much power for the Zaurus to power by itself so I have a power adapter I'm taking along. I'm wondering whether I could use my iPod since it has it's own power source but haven't played with it yet to see whether I can convert it to fat32 without ruining it.
I've tried a test transfer from CF to the USB drive and it worked very well. I was then able to go to the files tab and browse it just fine and view the pictures. I'll post more about my success (or lack thereof) when I get back.
--Aaron
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has anyone located a source for a mini-a to mini-b cable? I have a 5gig mp3 player that I can mount from fedora, so I don't see why I shouldn't be able to use it as a hd as long as I can find a cable... (also has it's own power source)
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It would be great to have the capability to hook up a USB web cam. There is an active project here (http://nw802.sourceforge.com) that does just that for Linux, with a kernel module. Perhaps one of our more capable members can take a crack at getting it working with sl-6000????
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Hi Folks,
Just bought the goldex usb pack and tried hooking up my Z to an iBook thinking it would recognize it as an external drive. Seems I was mistaken in that idea. Is this only a feature on the 860? There's a package on the zsi that's ported the feature over to the 5500/5600 and I've looked at that. Seems all the kernel modules are already present on my 6000, just not an obvious utility to turn it on. Am I just missing something obvious. I seem to have misplaced my manual so I'm not sure if it covers this. Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks,
roue
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give the ported package a try, the 6000 and 5600 are similar enough that it should work.
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I'm surprised there's not an option somewhere for the C6000 to act as a USB mass storage device.
Assuming it works the same way (as the other devices), you'll need to rmmod all of the usb related modules, then insmod storage_fd and the support modules.
See my last post in this thread for the script: https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...e_fd,and,pxa_bi (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5654&hl=storage_fd,and,pxa_bi)
Si
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I have that on the custom kernel on externe.net/zaurus/kernel, with /dev/mmcda2 special partition where I put the windows drivers (so that every time I go to some unknown computer, I start usb storage, the computer can fetch the driver and use the zaurus in usb net)
however for some reason it just kills qtopia time to time when I plug the device on the windows machine in usb-storage mode. Weird.
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I just bought an ez bus mini 40GB drive by Apricorn at the local Fry's electronics here in Phoenix, AZ. It uses USB 2.0 but is also USB 1.1 compatible and even boasts that it's the World's first USB-IF _certified_ usb-powered hard drive. They say you'll never need an AC adapter. I bugged the salesman about it for a few minutes and then plunked my credit card down to purchase it, telling the salesman I better not be coming back to stand in the long Fry's lines... lol. This lil' baby cost $229.99.
Anyway, the drive is tiny 4" long by 3" wide and 0.60" high. It's got a nifty short USB connector that hides right into the underside of the drive when not in use and comes with an extender as well as a nice neoprene snug-fit pouch that holds the drive. It weights only 4.3 oz.
When first connecting the drive, it is instantly recognized by the 6000L via dmesg and when mounting the drive the system sits for about 30 seconds as it figures out what to do. After that it just works. I mounted it under /usr/mnt.rom/usbstorage as vfat and I was able to view it via the File Manager.
I did a cp -R from about 40MB of files on my 4GB Hitachi Microdrive in my main CF slot (I have the expansion adapter as well so I have two CF slots) to copy the files to the external drive and that took about 3 minutes (didn't really count so good) and I opened the Calendar application which ran a little slower but still functioned while the terminal was still open doing the cp -R.
I'm happy with the drive, it's lightning-fast with USB 2.0 off of my laptop which would be great for loading data that you want accessible via the zaurus.
Manufacturer's website is listed as http://www.apricorn.com (http://www.apricorn.com) and they say they've been in business since 1983. The drive comes with a FULL 3-year parts and labor warranty which I thought was nice.
My thoughts are that since it uses a 1.8" HD (by Hitachi) that it's able to run from the USB 1.1 bus-power. I'm thinking that drives that use the traditional 2.5" laptop HD's are the ones that need USB 2.0 power which the Zaurus 6000L is unable to handle as it's got the On-The-Go (OTG 1.1) USB 1.1 port and not a USB 2.0 port.
All in all, I like it Seems battery drain can happen if you do some really disk intensive stuff (like copying tons of files from a CF drive to a hard drive) but I don't think it should be too bad (especially for me since I have the expansion adapter with it's battery and ANOTHER battery which I bought, thinking the expansion adapter only had support for another battery instead of actually coming with one dohhh).
Here's a site that gives a good overall description and pictures of the 20GB version of this drive (which is cheaper, but still a little pricey):
http://www.everythingusb.com/hardware/inde...s_Mini_20GB.htm (http://www.everythingusb.com/hardware/index/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mini_20GB.htm)
Here's the C-Net Review of the 20GB version:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mi...7-30922055.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mini_20GB/4505-3186_7-30922055.html)
Hey and what do ya know, I found the C-Net Review of the 40GB version too:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mi...7-30922037.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mini_40GB/4505-3186_7-30922037.html)
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OH, I may have to try one of those out. If it works I'll be ebaying my archos.
Hubcapboy I purchased my mini a to mini b cable from blackbox.com. It works well.
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I'd be interested to see someone reincarnate Toshiba's abortive "Bluetooth Pocket Server" (do a google search) idea from a couple of years ago -- one of these 5-10-20GB Toshiba HDDs with a small rechargeable battery, and Bluetooth. I think they actually marketed a batch of these, but it flopped fairly quickly. In principle it seems like a nice storage solution for a Bluetooth-equipped Z. Then you just keep the thing in your backpack and presto -- lots of available storage.
There's a rumor that Apple (or one of it's competitors) is going to build something like this into the next version of the IPod, with stereo Bluetooth wireless headphones. (Though don't hold your breath.) Obviously the throughput would not be great, but probably good enough for reading audio (though not video, which would be part of the attraction).
Anybody know of such a device? Seems like a natural extension to e.g. a digital camera (too slow to write directly, but camera could slowly migrate data from its primary storage card onto the remote HDD) but if Toshiba's experience is indicative it seems to be a product category that has already failed.
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After many tests and trials I've decided my Sandisk drive suffers incompatibilities with the Zaurus, and I've returned to using my well-behaved PNY 256Mb SD card. I'll be changing the Sandisk card for something else 'that works!'
One site I found helpful was SD Card List of Doom (http://sdprob.aximsite.com/theproblemlist.htm). You will see a lot of problems with Sandisk. I have a Toshiba 512 MB SD & it works fine.
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how do you actually connect it the 20 gb hd to the zaurus ?, can any one post a picture
thank's
Alberto
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It's easy... I have an adapter to go from the regular USB A plug (i think, don't quote me on that style.. it's the regular USB plug) to a mini-a plug which is what the 6000L uses. Here's a link to my website with the pictures. I'm no photography so no wisecracks about the quality
http://blackbeanie.net/zaurus_pics/20gb/ (http://blackbeanie.net/zaurus_pics/20gb/)
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I'm no photography so no wisecracks about the quality
your desk is very cluttered
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That's the coffee table... and yes, it was very messy that night. But then again I didn't care to clear it just for you.
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I tried to attach my Lexar 256 MB Jump Drive to my 6000.
I am using the Goldx QuickConnect USB Cable. When I check
system info devices, it shows that it recognizes the jumpdirve.
However, I can seem to find a way to "cd" to the jump drive.
Do I need to actually "mount" it?
Thanks
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Yah you're generally going to need to mount it. Newer desktop/server linux distributions actually go about doing that automatically for you (something that, while convenient, I'm still somewhat annoyed about but hey, I'm weird and still like doing 'mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom' to put my cd-rom's on my filesystem *shrugs*).
For the zaurus, you'd probably need something like...
mount /dev/sda1 /mount/point
where sda1 should be the jumpdrive and /mount/point is where you actually want to mount the card. I don't think the zaurus would automatically know where to find it though you could mount it to somewhere the zaurus checks by default so you can see it via the filemanager or other z apps. Where that might be, I'm not remembering off the top of my head. I just got here after writing a ton of perl code and I'm still in perl land
You could type 'dmesg' from the terminal after you plug in the jumpdrive in order to see what device the zaurus detected it as. It should tell you whether it's /dev/sda1 or what have you.
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Yah you're generally going to need to mount it. Newer desktop/server linux distributions actually go about doing that automatically for you (something that, while convenient, I'm still somewhat annoyed about but hey, I'm weird and still like doing 'mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom' to put my cd-rom's on my filesystem *shrugs*).
For the zaurus, you'd probably need something like...
mount /dev/sda1 /mount/point
where sda1 should be the jumpdrive and /mount/point is where you actually want to mount the card. I don't think the zaurus would automatically know where to find it though you could mount it to somewhere the zaurus checks by default so you can see it via the filemanager or other z apps. Where that might be, I'm not remembering off the top of my head. I just got here after writing a ton of perl code and I'm still in perl land
You could type 'dmesg' from the terminal after you plug in the jumpdrive in order to see what device the zaurus detected it as. It should tell you whether it's /dev/sda1 or what have you.
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Okay, I see the output now. Te strange thing is that I cannot see anything when I use a USB 2.0 Nomad Xtra Zen, which is also MSS (MSD?) compatible, but when I use a Neuros USB 1.1 (which is not Mass Storage Spec compatible) it works fine. I can mount and access the drive.
Why would USB 2.0 not work? Is there an extra step needed? Both of these devices have thier own Batteries, so power draw should not be an issue....
Anyone have any idea otr thoughts of what to try? I can post my dmesg output if anyone thinks it will help (I am not great at reading it).
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I have a question about umount usb HD. When I tried:
umount /dev/sda1
I always get
umount: /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
Is there a way I can force umount?
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I have a question about umount usb HD. When I tried:
umount /dev/sda1
I always get
umount: /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
Is there a way I can force umount?
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It usually only says "busy" if you are currently in a directory on the volume you're trying to unmount, or if some program that's running has a file open on that volume.
Plus, I usually "umount" the mount point, not the device, so I'd do "umount /mnt/usbstorage" for your case.
Forcing the unmont is probably a bad idea, as it is saying "busy" because it thinks some process has a file open on it.
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Well, I did umount on both /dev/sda1 and /mnt/hd (my mount point). Same result. I also closed all application and went back to home directory, but no help. So I had little choice but just unplug usb cord, not harm so far though.
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I guess this is just the way harddrives are. I can neither umount /dev/sda1 nor /mount/usbhd even with the -f (force) option. On my windows xp I can't safely stop the attached hd either, complaining "busy". maybe problems with some of the housing unit or even the specific hd. but just remove the hd, no harm done.
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Okay, I see the output now. Te strange thing is that I cannot see anything when I use a USB 2.0 Nomad Xtra Zen, which is also MSS (MSD?) compatible, but when I use a Neuros USB 1.1 (which is not Mass Storage Spec compatible) it works fine. I can mount and access the drive.
Why would USB 2.0 not work? Is there an extra step needed? Both of these devices have thier own Batteries, so power draw should not be an issue....
Anyone have any idea otr thoughts of what to try? I can post my dmesg output if anyone thinks it will help (I am not great at reading it).
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The nomad Xtra Zen may have multiple partitions on it as iPod. The first one (sda1) is usually proprietary for firmware updates. The data partition maybe on sda2. here's a link for ipod [a href=\"http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html]linky[/url]
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I guess this is just the way harddrives are. I can neither umount /dev/sda1 nor /mount/usbhd even with the -f (force) option. On my windows xp I can't safely stop the attached hd either, complaining "busy". maybe problems with some of the housing unit or even the specific hd. but just remove the hd, no harm done.
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Just out of curiosity - will it let you unmount it immediately after mounting it, or does it immediately become "busy" upon first mount?
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Hi guys,
Forgive me if someone already posted about this, but I didn't see it mentioned...but then again I stopped reading after page two as my temples started to throb. <JK>
Anyway, With all the successful Arcdisk usage, I decided to try the ARCHOS AV320 (20GB) video player to see if it would work. Well, I tried and it worked perfectly. I could access the drive and see all the files. Now I didn't do much more (yet) becuase this was only HALF my project. The othber half was taking the 20GB drive out of the AV320 and putting an 80GB drive in....as per these instructions:
http://shanebrinkmandavis.com/homepage/Arc...HowToHDSwap.htm (http://shanebrinkmandavis.com/homepage/Archos/AV300/HowTos/HowToHDSwap.htm)
Now the Archos is not a small (or light) beast, but with 80 GB storage and the fact that it comes with the JBM PVR100 (for recording off any av output to MPEG-4) I thought it was a worthwhile companion to my 6000L.....Of course the Z can play movies and MP3, but encoding a movie is a 4 to 6 hour process, whereas with the archos, it is only as long as the show you want to record, be it a DVD or a TV sitcom.
Now there is a NEWER Archos (the AV420), but the 20GB version has a very small footprint harddrive and is NOT (at this time) upgradable to 80GB, not too mention that there is/was a DIVX 5.0 codec issue that I don't know if it has been resolved.
The AV320 is discontinued, but some places like CompUPlus.com have them for about $350, which is alot unless you plan to buy more than one arcdisk, in which case, you're getting pretty close. As for the 80GB hard drive, DELL sells a nice Toshiba Slimline drive that is what I am using (Approx $120, if you wait for a deal). Remember you can sell the old 20GB for cash to offset a small portion of the cost.
Now does it work? Well, unfortunately I am still formatting the 80GB drive thru the Archos, so I will have to come back and update. It's taking forever, so I may restart the format or let it run overnight. UPDATE: I reformatted using a desktop PC and copied the files over from the old drive to the new 80GB drive and then reflashed ARCHOS firmware. IT WORKED MUCH FASTER. (This is noted as an alternative solution, but after restarting format and being 5% done in 6 hours, I decided to try the PC way, insteaad of using the ARCHOS for format. Obviously the Archos does a rreal low level format). Anyway, so far so good, the 6000L mounts the Archos and see the full 80GB. Still need to put some files on it (at a breezy USB2.0 speeds I might add. )
Anyways, I would think it everything should work quite well, since it is only a different hard drive and all the USB comminication stuff is the same (siince it is the same mobo).
More updates to come....Please let me know if there is anything in particular you want me to try. I should mention that this ONLY works when both devices are ON, which means that the drain on the 6000L battery should be minimal.
Here's a picture of the Archos AV320:
Also, the specs say the AV320 battery is internal and non-user-replacable...this is total BS, there is a single screw holding battery in and replacements cost $29 at LaptopsForLess.com
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Just out of curiosity - will it let you unmount it immediately after mounting it, or does it immediately become "busy" upon first mount?
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I can umount successfully right after mounting it. But after a while, it's getting unmountable.
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Has anyone tried this ?
http://www.insanetek.com/forums/showthread...ghlight=seagate (http://www.insanetek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2787&highlight=seagate)
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It _should_ work fine since it's most definitely going to be using seagate's 5gb microdrive (basically a baby hard drive) which they make for compact flash.
I've got a 4gb compact flash microdrive from Hitachi Storage Tech (used to be IBM's storage division) and it works great. I'm not sure which would use more battery power though, usb or CF. Hmm... that's something that would be interesting to find out.
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Do you know where to get such a Hitachi microdrive at a fair price online?
I'm in France and they are **so** expansive. I guess I'll order from the US.
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Hi Guylhem,
I found 4Gb for $157 here
Hitachi Microdrive 4Gb (http://www.provantage.com/buy-7htcd02u-4gb-microdrive-hitachi-hard-drives-md4gb-bp-shopping.htm)
Also you can try www.pricegrabber.com where I found 2Gb for $100 or 6Gb for $240. (Ouch !)
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I got my Nano to mount!
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Hey guys just to add a little more info to that last post... The Nano is formatted for pc's so it's fat32. What's really cool is that you can play the mp3's that are on it! Also I just mounted my wife's 4Gb iPod mini, also pc formatted. Both charge off the Z's battery, so be careful how long you keep it attached!
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I was going to ask about whether or not the nano/ipod mini charged off the Z's battery. Hmm.. that's unfortunate. I'd really hoped devices like these would be able to be used with their own battery supplying power for the hard drive instead of using up the Z. Oh well.
Oh and a correction to my previous post about the USB hard drive connected to the Z6K. It's actually a 40GB not a 20GB, my mistake I had forgotten that I had partitioned it into two 20GB pieces, one FAT32 and one ext2.
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Has anyone tried this ?
http://www.insanetek.com/forums/showthread...ghlight=seagate (http://www.insanetek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2787&highlight=seagate)
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You may need to run the utility that comes with it on a Windows PC first. Someone in my graphic arts class had one of those and the Macs in the lab couldn't recognise it. He took it home and ran the software that came with it, and now it works perfectly.
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I've tried to connect 3 different laptop (2.5 inch) drives (one of which a brand new low power device) to my 6k using 2 different usb adapters. None of them get enough power to spin up.
How are you lot managing to connect all this stuff to it?
Also, I tried transferring something like a 10Mb file between an sd card and a 64mb usb memory stick, and it took something like 20 minutes!!!
Any ideas?
Simon
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Most of the drives we get to work aren't really laptop drives. None of the iPods are laptop drives, they are pcmcia formfactor drives, as is the Seagate one. The mini is cf and the nano is flash. If you have a usb adapter that will plug in you can make a battery pack for it.
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I've tried to connect 3 different laptop (2.5 inch) drives (one of which a brand new low power device) to my 6k using 2 different usb adapters. None of them get enough power to spin up.
How are you lot managing to connect all this stuff to it?
I can use one of those 40GB western digital 2.5" portable drives with my 6k only if the usb hub has its own power. Otherwise the disk can't spin up. I now really only use a 1.8" Apricorn drive which does get enough power from the 6k without a powered hub.
John
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We've just launched a USB hard drive for the Zaurus:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17864 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17864)
Battery powered, so you can plug it in quite happily.
Cheers
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We've just launched a USB hard drive for the Zaurus:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17864 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17864)
Battery powered, so you can plug it in quite happily.
Cheers
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I've also had good luck using HD based .mp3 players for external storage, as they tend to have their own power supplies.
My Archos Jukebox studio 20GB ($50 used) was a good bargain, as my SL-C1000 sees it as external storage. They've been going for $70 on ebay if you don't mind retro design and the uncertainty of a used hard drive. 6-15GB models go for even less.
David
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Really wanted one of these:
Rapsody S25 OTG for PSP (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?products_id=322)
But for cost reasons, settled for one of these:
Macally On-The-Go PHR-2500TG (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817146609)
It is a little bit pricey compared to the drive I got off eBay for $5.00 plus shipping, but it has a built-in rechargable battery, so it allows you to connect any 2.5 inch hdd to your Zaurus without needing an externally powered USB hub. Just plug it in and mount the drive. To make things even easier, I have followed eji's instructions from here (from 6000 General discussions >> Mounting Usb Dev On Sl6000l in case link breaks):
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=113768 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17557&view=findpost&p=113768)
and the drive now auto-mounts when I plug it in!! So cool!!!
It has an A/C adapter to charge the battery, and can run for about 2 hours without draining the Z's battery. It comes with a USB cable (mini-B, like the cable that comes with the Z charging dock). If you use the Iriver adapter cable, you can plug it into the Z. Right now, I have an old 6 GB drive (formatted fat32) in it. I plan to install a 40 GB Seagate 5400 rpm drive in it. (This is my spare drive that I use for trying out Linux distros, so I just have to re-format the drive as it has Suse 10.0 on it right now). I will report back results once I install the new drive (probably Monday).
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mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/??? /mnt/cdrom' to put my cd-rom's on my filesystem
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Got a cheapo external usb CD-ROM.
Tried /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1, both failed. What device should I use to mount my CD-ROM
dmesg
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver ...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-224E Rev: 1.5A
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 1
USB Mass Storage device support registered
sys info
Vendor: Genesys Logic, Inc.
Product: USB TO IDE
Class: Mass-Storage
ID: 05e3/0701
Driver: usb-storage
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Got the 40 GB 5400 rpm laptop hd installed in the hard drive enclosure I mentioned a few posts back. It is this one:
Link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817146609)
Good news and bad news! I formatted it fat32 and it accepted a single 40 GB partition. It is very quick to copy to and from (the good news). But it seems to trickle-charge from the Z even though the internal battery is fully charged. I tried putting electrical tape on the 2 center plug contacts (in normal USB devices the center contacts carry the current, and outside pair is for data). This resulted in the device not being recognized at all. After checking the USB mini-B specs, I tried taping the 2 outside contacts. This resulted in the device being recognized and still charging from the Z.
So for now, I can only use the 40 GB drive in bursts or it will drain the Z's battery.
At least I don't have to have a power cord to the wall.
This is cheaper than figlabs USB hard drive IF you already have a spare 2.5 inch hd laying around. Otherwise it might be worth their price not to have your Z's battery drained.
One more option might be this battery-powered USB hub by CyberPower:
Link (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6321811&type=product&id=1075583463471)
(Not affiliated with any of these venders.)
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Hey guys.
I've got a Vosonic 3320. After reading thru all the posts, I believe I should be able to connect it up, and theoretically, it should be able to detect. I did it, and this is the output I get after I ran dmesg.
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 30
usb.c: USB device 30 (vend/prod 0xd7d/0x1670) is not claimed by any active driver.
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: Model: VP3320 Rev: 1.09
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Current sd00:00: sns = 70 2
ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 30
USB Mass Storage support registered.
I'm not too sure if I'm doing it correctly. Even if I were to try and do a mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/hdd I get an error. I tried it with sda0 and it refused to mount.
On hindsight, my vosonic comes with 2 card slots built in. I guess when I plugged my drive in, my zaurus was trying to read one of the card slots? Since there wasn't any card in the slot, that explains the I/O error. Just a thought.
Anyone encountered this before? How about mounting a card reader? I guess if I manage to mount everything correctly, I'll probably end up with 2 card reader slots and a hdd.
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I've also observed odd problems with multi-slot USB card readers, not only on linux but occasionally on windows too.
have you tried putting a card into the slots and mounting /dev/sda1 to see if it's the card and not the drive?
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I've also observed odd problems with multi-slot USB card readers, not only on linux but occasionally on windows too.
have you tried putting a card into the slots and mounting /dev/sda1 to see if it's the card and not the drive?
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Tried it, and still no luck. I even placed a SD card in one slot, and a microdrive into the other slot. Both have been verified to be readable by the drive itself, before connecting to my Z. Still refused to mount.
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I've just been playing with my old X'sDrivePro on my newly acquired (it's not really "new") 3100, and it readily mounted the HD without incident but it wouldn't let me mount an SD card inserted in it.
So I did a little digging.
Multi-card/HD devices show up as scsi devices in linux, which is good, and they give each separate slot a different LUN. Linux only attaches to the first LUN automatically. Which is bad. My device has the HD as LUN 0, so I have no problem getting it without further intervention, but I guess the vosonic has one of the card slots as LUN 0 instead.
So, the magic incantation to attach another LUN is:
echo 'scsi add-single-device 0 0 0 1' > /proc/scsi/scsi
where the "0 0 0 1" is host, channel, id, lun. Do a 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' to get the first three numbers (probably 0 0 0 anyway), you should already have an entry with LUN 0. You would then keep incrementing the last number until they stopped working.
Or, you could do it the simple way and use the script I've attached. It comes from http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/scsidev/ (http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/scsidev/), and I've modified it slightly to avoid problems with busybox. Unzip it, chmod +x it, then:
./rescan_scsi_bus.sh -l
It will then scan and attach to whatever it can (the -l is important! it wont scan LUNs >0 otherwise!)
Doing a "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" now should show you several new devices, which you can mount using /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1 etc.
My X'sDrivePro had devices on 4 LUNs, meaning /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1, /dev/sdd1. pdaXrom doesn't have the /dev/sddX devices, and guess which one my SD card was mapped to! If you need them, creating the devices is easy.
mknod /dev/sdd b 8 48
mknod /dev/sdd1 b 8 49
mknod /dev/sdd2 b 8 50
mknod /dev/sdd3 b 8 51
mknod /dev/sdd4 b 8 52
mknod /dev/sdd5 b 8 53
mknod /dev/sdd6 b 8 54
mknod /dev/sdd7 b 8 55
mknod /dev/sdd8 b 8 56
mknod /dev/sdd9 b 8 57
The numbers are important. The first is always 8, the second starts at a multiple of 16 (sda is 0, sdb is 16, sdc is 32, sdd is 48 etc) and the numbered devices go up incrementally from there. I only actually needed sdd and sdd1, but it's better to be complete