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Everything Else => General Support and Discussion => Zaurus General Forums => Archived Forums => Software => Topic started by: ulf1 on June 18, 2004, 01:57:07 pm
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Hello all,
Zautrix packaged the first alpha version of KDEPim which is a combined package of KA/Pi+KO/Pi.
Berore trying it, be aware that
- the old addressbook plugins do not work.
KO/Pi accesses now KA/Pi.
(It is planned, that later KA/Pi itself uses these plugins)
- KA/Pi have some bugs.
E.g. saving of images do not work.
- Usebility has to be enhanced in KA/Pi.
(Currently no toolbar, no optimal menu structure, not all config possibilities, no docu)
KA/Pi can use VCard format and manage more than one resource.
After starting, you may add resources by settings - configure resources.
If you want to use your old KO/Pi config, copy
Applications/korganizer/config_korganizerrc
to
Applications/korganizer/config/korganizerrc
After the great response and bug reporting with the Ko/Pi project, we decided this time to use sourceforge (www.sf.net) to manage the file delivery, feature requests and bugtracking.
Of course you can ask questions through this forum as well, but it makes our life easier if we can channel all requests.
Again, Version 1.9 is in a alpha state. Because we made changes in the kde kernel, it is possible that new errors within KO/Pi might popup.
So if you find any bug in KO/Pi or KA/Pi , please report it.
The projectsite on sourcefoerge can be found here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi)
The file page where you can download KDEPim1.9.0:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...group_id=104103 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104103)
The bugtrackingsystem to report bugs:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=63695...103&func=browse (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=636951&group_id=104103&func=browse)
And feature requests go here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=63695...103&func=browse (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=636954&group_id=104103&func=browse)
thanks,
Zautrix & Ulf
have fun!
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I\'ve had a couple of days with this app. It is definetly a good start. I\'m sure zautrix will integrate it better with kopi. It will be great when they both use the same categories and you could look up appointments by contact.
I used abx2csv to transfer my xml contacts into kapi. I had to edit both the xml and the resultant csv files to make it work.
I look forward to each new version.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the great work on this!
Question: can KDEPim co-exist with KO/Pi on the Z? I would like to try it but don\'t want to muck up my working set-up. I know I could do a backup/restore (and I will if I need to) but it would be easier if they can co-exist so I could switch back and forth between them, if needed (your statement about the config files seem to imply it might be possible -- different paths, etc.)
Thanks!
~ray
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the great work on this!
Question: can KDEPim co-exist with KO/Pi on the Z? I would like to try it but don\'t want to muck up my working set-up. I know I could do a backup/restore (and I will if I need to) but it would be easier if they can co-exist so I could switch back and forth between them, if needed (your statement about the config files seem to imply it might be possible -- different paths, etc.)
Thanks!
~ray
KDE Pim includes an improved version of KO/Pi.
It will overwrite the KO/Pi binary.
It will not overwrite your calendar data, of course.
It is the best to deinstall KO/Pi 1.7.x before installing KDE Pim.
Because KDE Pim includes the code of KO/Pi 1.7.x (with improvents ) there should be no risk, that you will loose data when using the new KO/Pi version in Kde Pim.
z.
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Hello bluedevils,
the future goal will be to open opie and/or qtopia and/or kaddressbook databases with KA/Pi and KO/Pi. Even parallel work on those addressbooks will be possible.
If you have experienced technical problems with the cvs file you want to import, let us know. For reporting you can use the sourceforge bugtracking system. It would be great if you could upload a stripped version of your cvs file so we can reproduce the problems.
thanks,
Ulf
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Heh. CSV *not* CVS. There is not clear path from xml to kapi so I used a script program abx2csv. It is that script that had problems with newlines in the comment section. Your import of the csv file worked fine enough for me. Well maybe add a field for gender.
I will definetly use bug tracking when I have the time. I look forward to adding picutres as I am horrible with putting names to faces.
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I\'ll put the gender field on my list.
Ulf
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I installed the file, but cannot get it to import any data. I might be doing something wrong but nothing happens when I try. I have a C700.
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what type of data are you trying to import and what rom?
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I\'ll put the gender field on my list.
Ulf
I\'d prefer to be able to define my own fields, or at least add some to a basic set of fields :wink:
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I have the same import failure. I used the addressbook.xml file from the stock Sharp ROM on my SL-5500 and used the abx2cvs script
http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1430 (http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1430) to convert my data to addressbook.cvs. It will not import anything. I can open the addressbook.cvs file with Gnumeric just fine and all my data is there.
bluedevils What did you edit to get it to import?
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Ok, got it by using the abx2cvs and then imported to Gnumeric, deleted all the notes, then did the import with KA/Pi.
The import dialog box is a little tough, since it seems to be landscape (C-7/8xx) and I'm in portrait (SL-5500).
Took mucho dragging the dialog box around, but I succeeded, whew!
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Yes,
the cvs importbox is far to big in size for the 5500 screen.
I'll put it on our list.
Ulf
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Based on the new name, is there any chance we can see other KDEPIM apps ported? I'd love to see KNotes and KMail, as well as Kontact for Windows. . .
Not that I'm disappointed, of course- KO/Pi and KA/Pi are fantastic!
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Acpkendo,
Zautrix told me that KMail has a very low priority for him, and the same applies for me. So expect nothing in this direction.
I do not know what the advantage of KNotes would be compared with existing applications?
But you are welcome to write/port any KDE application to the Z. Using the microkde libs makes it quit easy to port any KDE app to the Z.
thanks,
Ulf
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Ok, boys and girls,
please download the latest version 1.9.1 from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi/)
and play with it! ;-)
Please test, test, test and report any bugs, which are not in the bugtracker.
Short summary:
KO/Pi has some enhancements - and a new alarm applet version 1.9.1 is needed!
Note that the paths have changed, you maybe start with an empty calendar.
KO/Pi should load the old calendar file automatically ... but one never knows.
Please read the menu: Help - What'sNew to know what has happenend.
Ka/Pi should be more stable and have less bugs.
Please test!
It has not yet a direct connection to old address data, Ulf is working on this.
You sgould be able to import data via the CSV import.
Please test.
KO/Pi and KA/Pi are available as Wintendo binaries as well.
Have fun testing it on Windows.
Maybe one of you is creating a CSV definition of the Outlook export to CSV?
Such a definition can now be saved and given to other users.
z.
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Backup, backup,backup FIRST!!
Lost my ToDos, and config of course; could not get the config to accept my timezone (-8 PDT)
Lost all my addresses. Have restored my complete configuration from a Sharp Backup.
I will export and save backups for KO & KA/Pi before I upgrade again, and deactivate fast load first as well.
Ouch, bit by the Alpha.
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There has to be a way to import the configuration from KO/Pi! Otherwise I have to redo all the Catagories (delete yours,add mine, and redo all the colors for my events/todo). Ugh.
Spent quite a few hours getting all my addresses into KA/Pi; do I really need to do that all over again? There has to be a way to keep the data, right?
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Hi slocaus,
you didn't lost anything.
A backup is not needed, because KO/Pi and KA/Pi will not write to the old configuration files or the old data basis (like the calendar file mycalendar.ics).
As I wrote:
Please read the menu: Help - What'sNew to know what has happenend.
There is explained, what to do , if you want to get your old config back.
You have just to copy the config file to the new location.
And to use the old KA/Pi address data you can configure a new resourse, which points to that old file.
Sorry, that I did forgot to write.
The old addresses should be (home)/Applications/kaddressbook/data/kabc/std.vcf
Hope that helps.
If not, ask again ...
z.
P.S.:
There is really some documentation needed for KA/Pi.
Anybody wants to write something about it?
Like configuring resources and views and so on ...
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This is very good work, I'm not really much of a PIM user, but I've installed it and removed the default Calendar and Addressbook by using the Tab manager.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi/)
kdepimpi is an unfortunate choice of names, it makes me think I'm running KDE software for brothelkeepers... :-)
Good stuff, keep up the good work.
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I downloaded source from SF and tried to compile it under OpenEmbedded. Currently I use gcc 3.3.4, Qt/E 2.3.7, QPE from OPIE CVS (20040618).
After fixing qmake generated Makefile I go into following error:
ccache arm-linux-g++ -c -pipe -I/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -I/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2 -fpermissive -Wall -W -O2 -fPIC -DKDE_QT_ONLY -DQWS -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/staging/i686-linux/share/qmake/linux-oe-g++ -I. -I. -I../qtcompat -I../kabc -Ikdecore -Ikdeui -Ikio/kfile -I/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -I/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include -Imoc// -o obj//configpage.o kresources/configpage.cpp
In file included from kresources/configpage.h:29,
from kresources/configpage.cpp:44:
kresources/manager.h: In member function `KRES::ConfigWidget* KRES::Manager::configWidget(const QString&, QWidget*)':
kresources/manager.h:238: error: 'class KRES::Factory' has no member named 'resourceConfigWidget'
kresources/configpage.cpp: In member function `void KRES::ConfigPage::slotAdd()':
kresources/configpage.cpp:283: error: `QInputDialog' has not been declared
kresources/configpage.cpp:285: error: `getItem' undeclared (first use this function)
kresources/configpage.cpp:285: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
make[1]: *** [obj//configpage.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/marcinj/zaurus/oe/build/0618/tmp/base/kdepimpi-1.9.1-r0/kdepim/microkde'
make: *** [sub-microkde] Error 2
I think that I should go deeper into QT programming to get it working...
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Hi Hrw,
yes, compiling it may be not easy.
You can compile it for Qt3 (for the desktop version ) and Qt2 ( for the embedded version).
Some classes of Qt3 does not exist in Qt2.
For that reason you do need the qtcompat lib and the qtcompat lib path in your include path.
There are two different *.pro files in every directory, e.g. korganizer.pro and korganizerE.pro.
You have to make sure, that always the *E.pro is used for makefile creation when compiling for embedded.
If you use qmake , it will choose the non E *.pro version.
Such that you get the makefiles for the desktop and Qt3, which does not include the qtcompat dir in the include path.
Look at the qtcompat dir: There you can find your missing qinputdialog.
Hope this helps,
z.
P.S.
Affter looking again at your post, I see that you have the right include path already.
Maybe there is some include file missing.
z.
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It has not yet a direct connection to old address data, Ulf is working on this.
You should be able to import data via the CSV import.
Please test.
Maybe one of you is creating a CSV definition of the Outlook export to CSV?
Such a definition can now be saved and given to other users.
z.
Hello all,
I am still working on the old addressbook data issue. I hope to get it done in the next couple of days.
The CSV import dialog supports already templates, but it is not enabled yet.
And there exists already a template in the KDE distribution optimized for Outlook data. We will make the template public with the functionality in one of the next releases.
(Hopefully in the next days ;-)
Ulf
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I like the moving agenda and preview windows on kopi and kapi. I definitely like the non qtwindow bar on kapi (any plans for the same in kopi?). we need all the space we can get, but you might want to make the close button into an "x" button (as opposed to the shutdown button) and move it to the right corner. It's more intuitive that way. It would help if the cancel button on the keyboard closed the app too. I know, I know....I need to put it in bug tracking....
It's a good thing I still have that csv file.....
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Agreed with bluedevils on menu buttons working, and X to close in upper right for consistency with all apps Zaurus.
I got everything else working by reading Menu/Help/What's New carefully and with adequate caffiene.
Still have a TZ problem. All my apps are off by -11 hours regardless of the TZ setting. I am -8 PDT, and have tried GMT, Local Time, +8, etc. Nothing changes in KO/Pi.
Suggestions? or new version?
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Still have a TZ problem. All my apps are off by -11 hours regardless of the TZ setting. I am -8 PDT, and have tried GMT, Local Time, +8, etc. Nothing changes in KO/Pi.
Suggestions? or new version?
I had similar problem. After install I set the TZ to US Central -6 and then all of my events were off. I closed the app, deleted the new mycalendar.ics, restarted it and reimported mycalendar.ics and all events were at the right time.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Hello slocaus,
I suggest to copy the original mycalendar.ics file (or a backup of it) to the correct location after checking/changing your timezone settings in Ko/PI 1.9.1.
So in order to get it work you should do:
1) Start Ko/Pi 1.9.1 and set the timezone correct.
2) Shut down KO/Pi 1.9.1
3) copy your original datebook from the previous KO/Pi version you had installed (or a backup of the file) into the correct folder that is getting used by KO/Pi 1.9.1.
KO/Pi 1.9.1 searches and opens the file <YourHomeDir>/kdepim/apps/korganizer/mycalendar.ics
Please overwrite that file with your backup(or original file)
4) Restart Ko/Pi 1.9.1 , and check your entries.
Ulf
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Hi!
@ulf and all the other
CSV templates loading/saving should work in 1.9.1
@slocaus:
How to change all your appointments by a desired amount of hours is already answered in the FAQs.
Please read this.
The procedure Ulf mentioned is not sufficient.
I just see, that the path mentioned there is the old one - I have to update this.
z.
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Yes, ulf1 that is what worked. Letting KO/Pi do the import does not get the TZ setting correct. As you state, set TZ in KO/Pi, exit, copy mycalendar.ics over to new location and then start KO/Pi works.
I did basically the same think and copied std.vcf from the original location to the new locations for KA/Pi as well.
Only other comment I have at this time is icons; the change to KO/Pi is fine, as was the previous one. The House/Home for KA/Pi does not work for me. I associate people with addresses, so something else would be better, in my humble opinion.
Thanks to both ulf1 and zautrix for all the past, present, and future work!
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@ zautrix
Where is the FAQ you mention?
http://www.pi-sync.net/html/ko_pi_faq.html (http://www.pi-sync.net/html/ko_pi_faq.html) gives me n/a
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Zautrix is as fast as ever. The buttons for templates while CSV import are already available in 1.9.1.
To import Outlook generated CSV files do the following:
1) download the templatefile from sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...ckage_id=122438 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104103&package_id=122438)
2) unzip the file and copy the extracted file "Outlook 2000.desktop" into folder
<Your home dir>\kdepim\apps\kaddressbook\csv-templates
3) start the CSV import in KAddressbook. Select the CSV file you want to import and then the template (the button to select the template is in the lower left corner of the dialog)
I tested it quickly and it seems to work, eventhough I exported my contacts from Outlook 2002.
If you experience any problems with other versions of outlook, or you think you did improve the template, let us know.
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Only other comment I have at this time is icons; the change to KO/Pi is fine, as was the previous one. The House/Home for KA/Pi does not work for me. I associate people with addresses, so something else would be better, in my humble opinion.
Hi Ulf, (and the others) what icon should we take for KA/Pi?
The previous one with two people?
Slocaus, would be the previous one ok?
Or do you have another nice icon you would like to see as icon for KA/Pi?
Must be available in a 64x64 resolution.
z.
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@ zautrix
Where is the FAQ you mention?
http://www.pi-sync.net/html/ko_pi_faq.html (http://www.pi-sync.net/html/ko_pi_faq.html) gives me n/a
Start KO/Pi.
Choose menu Help - FAQ.
And there are other useful hints in the Help menu as well ....
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@zautrix
FAQ: Urk! Not used to that being on my Z. I keep going to the desktop. I'll look at it.
Icon: The first one is fine, or anything with people - stylized or not. The "Home" icon just throws me off. I have used this one (current avatar) as well.
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Anyone else find that KA/Pi from 1.9.1 is horrifically slow to open? I have fast load enabled in both and it loads much slower than KA/Pi 1.9.0 without fast load, which is really strange.
I've gone back to 1.9.0 and it loads quickly with fast load.
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Anyone else find that KA/Pi from 1.9.1 is horrifically slow to open? I have fast load enabled in both and it loads much slower than KA/Pi 1.9.0 without fast load, which is really strange.
I've gone back to 1.9.0 and it loads quickly with fast load.
Hi slocaus,
thank you very much for your help in general and for that hint in particular!
I didn't tried it with fastload.
It loads very slow for me as well.
I guess the reason is the displaying of Ka/Pi in fullscreen.
I will remove it in the next version.
It was just a try, how useable it is.
z.
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I like the house icon, but I understand slocus's concerns. The kopi and kapi icons are two diferent styles, but that's picking hairs.
I'm not noticing any performance hit on the latest kapi. BTW, I think I will be moving to the cacko rom before the week is finished.
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thank you very much for your help in general and for that hint in particular!
I didn't tried it with fastload.
It loads very slow for me as well.
I guess the reason is the displaying of Ka/Pi in fullscreen.
I will remove it in the next version.
It was just a try, how useable it is.
@zautrix, You are most welcome for any help I can offer. You have given me a PIM that works! I am very happy with the fact that KO/Pi meant that my Zaurus became my primary PDA again some months back! I'm sure you will get the fast load issue working. I only use it on KO-KA/Pi and no other apps, plus I have an 8 meg swapfile for this reason.
Even 1.9.0 KA/PI has been very useable for me, although all I use it for now is phone number lookups.
I like the house icon, but I understand slocus's concerns. The kopi and kapi icons are two diferent styles, but that's picking hairs.
@bluedevils, I don't really object to the Home/House; I just don't associate it with a PIM app, but a navigational icon. I have customized many icons on my SL-5500 already, and will just customize KA/Pi if anyone wants to keep the Home icon.
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Zautrix is as fast as ever. The buttons for templates while CSV import are already available in 1.9.1.
To import Outlook generated CSV files do the following:
1) download the templatefile from sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...ckage_id=122438 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104103&package_id=122438)
2) unzip the file and copy the extracted file "Outlook 2000.desktop" into folder
<Your home dir>\kdepim\apps\kaddressbook\csv-templates
3) start the CSV import in KAddressbook. Select the CSV file you want to import and then the template (the button to select the template is in the lower left corner of the dialog)
I tested it quickly and it seems to work, eventhough I exported my contacts from Outlook 2002.
If you experience any problems with other versions of outlook, or you think you did improve the template, let us know.
Hi Ulf1,
I tried to extract the file (outlook2000.zip) into the folder that you had indicated, but I cant seem to find the folder based on your description.
Please advise if there is any other way to use the template.
Thanks
Choonhow
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I'm using the latest version on both my Z & my work winblows pc. I love the new kapi, I've imported my contacts from my palmdesktop (I used to sync the DTM with palmdesktop as we are forced to use GroupWise @ work). It was much easier to setup the csv map on my work pc as the extra screen real estate made mapping much easier.
I agree with the previous comments on desktop & exit icons. Speaking of icons, it would be nice if you included some icons for the winblows binary (*.ico) so we can have the same icons on the desktop there too.
Will you be implementing the same sync options as kopi? I use the ssh method and would love to be able to use it for kapi too.
Great work, you guys rock, thanks for all of your effort, it is really appreciated
Cheers,
Jerry
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I am using a C700 with Cacko rom on a Mac running OSX. I was using Ko/Pi, since I installed the new KDEPIM, I noticed that the syncing with Ical works, but only if I only enter information into the Z. IF I enter anything on the Mac, it will not sync with the Z anymore. I know there are problems with the Libical, but it seemed to work better with Ko/Pi 1.7.7.
Alos my Z could not see the new package when I tried to instal the new version of KDE PIM
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choonhow,
I had some trouble with the "outlook 2000.zip" file also. I finally got it to work. Here is what I had to do.
1. I extracted the zip file "outlook 2000.desktop" from the zip file using my PC.
2. I then moved the file "outlook 2000.desktop" to my Z's SD card
3. I renamed the file "outlook 2000.desktop" to outlook_2000.desktop (because linux doesn't like spaces in file names.)
3. I had to create the csu-templates directory on my Zaurus 860 because it didn't exist. Here is the path I used /home/zaurus/kdepim/apps/kaddressbook/ csv-templates (not sure if your would be exactly the same but you can try it)
4. Everything from there was as it was described in the earlier post.
I hope this helps you.
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Kudos to everyone working on KO-KA/Pi. You guys are the answer to my prayers! The work you all are doing is immeasurable. I now have a very useful and powerful PIM tool. Even though Ka/pi is a bit buggy for me right now - it is still very useful and the potential keeps me salavating for the next release.
Any plans to tie the email program into the PIM suite like the current address book does? For example. the ability to launch a new email message to a particular contact from within the address book and the ability to add email addresses to the address book from the email program? My wish list would also include some sort of linking capabilities between the KO/Pi programs and KA/Pi. For example if you had a todo to call John Doe (and John Doe was in your contacts) you could link the contact information to the ToDo so that just a tap on his name from the ToDo would take you to his contact information (where his number would be). Or associated ToDos and calendar events could even show up from within the KA/Pi program underneath his name. That would be great and very usefull.
But overall, right now I am loving everything you all have done so far and if you stopped right now we would still have a great PIM. But please don't stop!! Keep up the great work.
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You must not me a linux user? The current KDE PIM desktop suite (if you will) is KOrganizer, KAddressBook, Kontact, KMail and Kpilot (Palm PDA) with excellent integration.
Korg and KO/Pi sync, and KA/Pi will "sync" with KAB if you use unison....
I don''t think that it is a casual naming of KDE PIM/Pi by zautrix and ulf, ??? I suspect that the KDE PIM for the Zaurus is just on leg 2 of many to come. (fingers crossed)
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choonhow,
I had some trouble with the "outlook 2000.zip" file also. I finally got it to work. Here is what I had to do.
1. I extracted the zip file "outlook 2000.desktop" from the zip file using my PC.
2. I then moved the file "outlook 2000.desktop" to my Z's SD card
3. I renamed the file "outlook 2000.desktop" to outlook_2000.desktop (because linux doesn't like spaces in file names.)
3. I had to create the csu-templates directory on my Zaurus 860 because it didn't exist. Here is the path I used /home/zaurus/kdepim/apps/kaddressbook/ csv-templates (not sure if your would be exactly the same but you can try it)
4. Everything from there was as it was described in the earlier post.
I hope this helps you.
Hi roderickv,
Thank you very much for your help. I will try your method later.
Cheers
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I suspect that the KDE PIM for the Zaurus is just on leg 2 of many to come. (fingers crossed)
other posts by zaultrix have indicated that other kde apps are not in the future for him or ulf.
roderickv, the ability you describe is already in kopi/kapi. When editting or making a new todo or event, click on the attendees tab. You will see the addressbook button within that tab. When an alarm goes off or the event viewer, it will have an attendees section which links you to their contact information. I use it all the time.
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I tried to extract the file (outlook2000.zip) into the folder that you had indicated, but I cant seem to find the folder based on your description.
Please advise if there is any other way to use the template.
Thanks
Choonhow
Choonhow,
the csv-templates sub folder does not exist right after the installation. But you can KA/Pi let create the folder for you, by storing a dummy-template from within the cvs import dialog.
After you created and stored the dummy template, the folder can be found. Copy the outlook desktop file into the newly created directory and restart KA/Pi.
Ulf
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I tried to extract the file (outlook2000.zip) into the folder that you had indicated, but I cant seem to find the folder based on your description.
Please advise if there is any other way to use the template.
Thanks
Choonhow
Choonhow,
the csv-templates sub folder does not exist right after the installation. But you can KA/Pi let create the folder for you, by storing a dummy-template from within the cvs import dialog.
After you created and stored the dummy template, the folder can be found. Copy the outlook desktop file into the newly created directory and restart KA/Pi.
Ulf
Hi Ulf1,
Thanks for the explanation. I had roderickv's instructions previously and got the template working.
Anyway, I appreciate the effort that you guys are putting in for PIM software.
Thanks a lot.
Cheers
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bluedevils,
Did not know that! Just tried it and it works, thanks! I Played around with it for a bit longer and found out that I don't need to set the alarm or wait on a past due event for it to work either. You can view your daily summery view ( not sure what the proper name is for that view sorry), tap on any event or todo there and the viewer opens with the link to the Contact right under Attendees . Great!!!
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I suspect that the KDE PIM for the Zaurus is just on leg 2 of many to come. (fingers crossed)
other posts by zaultrix have indicated that other kde apps are not in the future for him or ulf.
Yes, unfortunately it is almost impossible to get KDE programs running on the Zaurus.
KAddressbook is not a big program and it was (and is) a lot of work.
KMail or Kontact would be impossible.
And I guess, KMail would be dead slow on the Zaurus.
But KDE Pim/Pi will actually get its own email program with integration to KA/Pi!
Last night I have taken the email program from Opie and removed all dependencies from the Opie libs.
The actually needed code of the libs I have moved to microkde.
And I had it already running on my Zaurus!
It will need some work to fix the remaing problems and then to integrate KA/Pi access.
Such that it should be available in one or two weeks.
And the best of it:
OpieMail was able to read my IMAP folder with 6000 mails in it.
Thats nice!
I never got Qtmail working with my IMAP server.
z.
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@zautrix - This is great news! An integrated mail app for KDE PIM/Pi is what is needed, and would have been sorely missed. It does not have to be a port of KMail, just being able to integrate addresses from KA is enough; given the existing / planned integration of KA & KO/Pi, I feel you have done an incredible job for the Zaurus community. Now we are all foaming at the mouth for Mail/Pi!
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That's OMPI (opie mail platform independent) to you! Even though it is open sourced, I wonder how mickeyl and crew feel about this.
I've moved to the cacko ROM and forgot how pretty the tkcrom really was.
Lesson to be learned. If you are using the tkcbackup make sure you configure it to backup the new location of the kde pim. Now i have to do the csv thing again......
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Even though it is open sourced, I wonder how mickeyl and crew feel about this.
Why would they care? If anything, I wish they rolled KO, KA, and now this new mail app into OZ and be rid of the opie equivalents that do not work as well.
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As long as zautrix submits patches upstream, it's fine for us. After all, that's what GPL is about: Someone abandones stuff, someone else picks up, etc. This is what keeps programs healthy.
If he simply forks without trying to get his patches upstream we will be pissed and it will be considered pretty bad style.
Whether we will include KAPI,KOPI and friends or the respective Opie pendants into the default OZ 3.5.1 image has not been decided yet.
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As long as zautrix submits patches upstream, it's fine for us. After all, that's what GPL is about: Someone abandones stuff, someone else picks up, etc. This is what keeps programs healthy.
If he simply forks without trying to get his patches upstream we will be pissed and it will be considered pretty bad style.
Is that a promise?
To get pissed if you make a program better?
Then I would like to get pissed!
Whether we will include KAPI,KOPI and friends or the respective Opie pendants into the default OZ 3.5.1 image has not been decided yet.
I hope my above statement will help, that you do not include KDE Pim/Pi into the default OZ image.
I would not like that at all!
But it is open source, you can do what you want.
As I do what I want with the Opie programs ... I wonder if there are more useful programs in Opie which are worth to get enhanced...
I do not care about be pissed by some Opie programmers.
I DO CARE about the normal user, which wants to have an application, which is easy to install and easy to use!
The Opie team does not care about users of the Sharp Rom, there are no packages of Opie1.1.3 for Sharp Rom.
As a user of the Sharp-Rom I am already pissed by the Opie team.
@all the fellow readers of this post:
If mickey would have asked me kindly, whether I would take care to give my fixes to the original Opie Mail app, I would have done it.
After the threat to get pissed, I would prefer that *LOL*
And as mickey wrote: Thats open source!
z.
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Besides your unwanted polemics which I just ignore, you miserably failed to see the point.
The point is that _unnecessary_ forks (see qconsole, see qpdf2, see the 5th incarnation of yet another half-assed SharpROM clone) weaken the community as a whole. We are not enough developers at all to justify forking based on the pure reason that you don't like some fellow developers or want to have everything under your control hence not considering the reuse of libraries.
The Opie team would be glad to incorporate your changes to make our programs better. I wonder why we should bother about creating libraries when all you do is ripping the good parts apart and including them statically in your software though.
(Oh and just a clarification.. you might not have understood that the phrase "to get pissed" means "getting into a bad mood", so this refers to the one who speaks the phrase, not to the one he tells it to... clear? So, please read that again. No threat here, but a misunderstanding on your side)
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Holy crap! I'm getting outa here!
I'm interested to know what is "the 5th incarnation of yet another half-assed SharpROM clone" and how ANY variety is weakening the community? I'd rather run the 5th incarnation of another half-assed SharpROM than something that was out of date and just didn't work with poor apps.
Could I advise everyone to realise we are on the same side here? Arguing over 1 and 0's is stupid.
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Variety is great. The new OZ will ship with GPE/X11 _and_ Opie while being open for other GUI environments. This is variety. Variety strenghtens the community, because you have many possibillities.
Fragmentation, on the other hand, is something different. From all the mails and posts I've read in the past years since I am working on Zaurus software, I got the impression that people would like to have fewer ROMs of higher quality - and less applications of higher quality.
Do you really see it as a good thing if you have 5 ROMs and each one has a nice feature which you absolutely love, however you can't get them all because the developers don't cooperate? I consider this not to be variety, I consider this waste of effort. This is fragmentation. Fragmentation weakens the community because nothing works really great - just pieces and bits work good and the rest is average or even below average.
(Oh btw, it's funny that you ask me this, because I've just seen a thread where you wrote "I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...")
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mmh, oh you do have a point but I use the Cacko ROMs, because IMHO they are superior to the stock ROMs or OZ/OPIE. I could understand you more if OZ/OPIE was a mature platform with good applications but I've tried it twice on two machines and for me it just isn't there yet, bits didn't work or crashed or something, always something was wrong. Most people nowadays seem to go for either the Cacko QT ROM or pdaXrom, because they just work, I think the lack of interest in your repeated calls for help is indicative of something, I get the impression here on ZUG that apart from a few hardcore users, it's been relegated to third or fourth place. Will your new ROM run pdaXrom apps? or HancomWord without witchcraft and hacking? If not, are you not just as guilty as the other developers for 'fragmenting' the community? And yes, I'd like to see the Cacko pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROMs merged, not OZ or OPIE or anything. I'm not being cruel or anything, it's just my view as a humble user. (This is not the thread for this discussion, not matter how interesting the debate is)
Now thanks to the guys on this thread we finally have the kind of PIM people have always whinged about. Once it's ported to pdaXrom I will be happy... (subtle hints..)
I've given the new version a try and it's great, well done guys for all this hard work!
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I keep "thinking about" having a go at the dual pdaxrom with Sharp rom posted on a thread elsewhere. Just looks a little too daunting (reading through the thread, never mind actually doing it )
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I keep "thinking about" having a go at the dual pdaxrom with Sharp rom posted on a thread elsewhere. Just looks a little too daunting (reading through the thread, never mind actually doing it )
Yeah Zuber, if I thought I could do it without dying of old age while reading all the appropriate threads I would, maybe a good samaritan would post an idiot's guide to getting C series machines /w Cacko QT ROM to dual boot pdaXrom off SD or CF????
then again, pigs might fly...
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I could understand you more if OZ/OPIE was a mature platform with good applications but I've tried it twice on two machines and for me it just isn't there yet, bits didn't work or crashed or something, always something was wrong.
I feel this way about the current incarnation of pdaXrom (stability is not the best, ipkg is broken, light & power not good). However as with OZ, the pdaXrom developers are improving things. It's horses for courses I'm afraid just as with most things.
Will your new ROM run pdaXrom apps?
OZ/GPE should do without any troubles, yes.
or HancomWord without witchcraft and hacking?
It already does, just as long as you don't use an ipk file which has a broken control file. That said this is something which ought to be changed in the ipkg code which OZ uses (so it ignores poorly created ipk files).
Anyway as you said, this is not the place for this discussion.
Si
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hmmm... I'm not sure but I think there is a little miscommunication between zautrix and mickeyl. I certainly did not want to cause a ruckus. Maybe it would be better if you guys communicated in German.
I think mickeyl is basically saying that zautrix benefitted from the opie mail app as a base for development and he would appreciate it if the opie team could benefit from any enhanced functionality.
I do not wish to see another "cacko vs proto" argument.
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yes. lets keep this on topic. subject closed.
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The point seems to be, that the Opie developers do not understand what I am doing. Some weeks ago I got a mail from an Opie Pim developer:
I was invited to use their new database backend as storage of KO/Pi.
And the writer said, that he does not see any benefit from the platform independend approach.
But that is just the purpose of all I am doing:
To have an application running on Zaurus, Linux and Windows.
With easy data exchange and syncing.
And when I take an OPie application, the first work is to make it Opie and Qtopia independent.
And I will take, when making it better, the classes of the microkde library, of course .
I don't think, that OPie wants to have a KToolBar, KAction or a KDialog in its Code.
For that reason it would not make any sense to give the changes to the Opie team.
(My program will be open source, such that everybody can have a look at the changes).
Ok, I could have written this as an answer to Mickeys post, but writing my other answer was more fun for me! ( Because of the polemic in it ).
I am just not interested in the Opie approach of writing software only for a PDA.
And I am not fragmenting the community, I am collecting quite nice programs and I free them to be a prisoner of their platform.
When I am done with OpieMail it would be compileable even for the Linux desktop and for pdaXrom for example. I am not using pdaXrom, but I think to have a quite fast mail app on it would be nice.
I consider this approach as to be the future! For me, writing non-platform independent software is just a waste of time.
But after all, I think this thread was fun! ;-)
z.
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Variety is great. The new OZ will ship with GPE/X11 _and_ Opie while being open for other GUI environments. This is variety. Variety strenghtens the community, because you have many possibillities.
Fragmentation, on the other hand, is something different. From all the mails and posts I've read in the past years since I am working on Zaurus software, I got the impression that people would like to have fewer ROMs of higher quality - and less applications of higher quality.
Do you really see it as a good thing if you have 5 ROMs and each one has a nice feature which you absolutely love, however you can't get them all because the developers don't cooperate? I consider this not to be variety, I consider this waste of effort. This is fragmentation. Fragmentation weakens the community because nothing works really great - just pieces and bits work good and the rest is average or even below average.
(Oh btw, it's funny that you ask me this, because I've just seen a thread where you wrote "I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...")
Philosophically I agree with you. In practice however, the problem at least on Z is that
most Sharp based ROMs so far have (unfortunatelly) been more stable than any OZ I've tried (on SL5500 or c860).
Also, you guys have not had a release in a long time. So for those
of us who can't hack and/or dont have time to join the projects what do you expect us to do? Maslovsky and Sash stamp out releases more frequently than you guys and each
release brings some visible improvement. qpdf2 and similar apps are only there because
some guy decided it was worth it his time to improve original GPL apps but did not find
it worth his time to submit upstream patches. That is too bad but it's the reality. Again,
as end users we have no choice but to use what is most functional or stable.
I symphatise with you and understand that OZ needs work on kernel, apps etc but the
reality is that in this case the GPL approach does not seem to work as efficiently and/or
quickly as time and time again in the case of Z one or two individuals (i.e. Sash,Maslovsky,Proto,Zautrix) seem to be able to pick things up into their own hands and put out improved releases quickly where the GPL approach seems to be very slow. Where have I gone wrong in my analysis? By the way, from my point of view as soon
as you have a REAL new release of OZ out (not one of these pre releases that have
been out there forever) I'll be switching to OZ in a heartbeat.
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People work on Zaurus software here as a hobby or to fulfill personal needs and they generously share their work. I am very happy that zautrix has taken the time to produce such useful software for a machine that lacks so much in that department.
I am quite happy zautrix is creating a series of programs that can be utilized across the three major systems many of us use: Linux, Zaurus and Windows. It would be a real loss if he incorporated code that restricted the ease of use across all these systems. If you don't want your source code taken and re-used in a different project such as this, don't release it as GPL. Simple as that. Otherwise, be happy people use what you have written to produce useful software.
I just wish Sharp had been smart enough to support developers such as zautrix instead of producing such embarrassing software like they did. Had they done so, in a few months the Zaurus would have had a collection of PIM software vastly better than most of the competition.
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Besides your unwanted polemics which I just ignore, you miserably failed to see the point.
You are right!
I apologize!
I have read "he", but you wrote "we".
Maybe I need new eyes, new glasses or a new brain?
z.
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agreed elvis.....now where did I put that abxcsv script......
Zautrix, your last post (oops I'm slow to post, I meant the one before the apology) was much better. I could see how the conflicting mission statements would cause some friction. I do see that both OZ/opie team and the KDE PIm team can both benefit.
Mickeyl, good that you kept your head cool. I look forward to the future of the opie project. I just wished I was a programmer so I could help out on all the projects.
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Maybe I need new eyes, new glasses or a new brain?
Glad we could sort that out.
Cheers,
Mickey.
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You don't know how glad I am to see this discussion come to a sucessfull conclusion. I got tired of simular discussions on the Sharp board going south and getting blown way out of proportion, nobody benifits when this happens. As it was said there are so few developers for this platform that forking out in different directions only hurts everyone involved and eventualy could bring this great platform to it's death. I truely think that the opie team and zautrix are both doing great work and I hope this continues for a long time to come. I guess this goes to prove that you both are passionant about your work and are striving to keep this community alive.
Thanks again for your contributions to the Z,
Jim
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Yeah Zuber, if I thought I could do it without dying of old age while reading all the appropriate threads I would, maybe a good samaritan would post an idiot's guide to getting C series machines /w Cacko QT ROM to dual boot pdaXrom off SD or CF????
then again, pigs might fly...
I posted the scripts, pdaXrom tarball and (I thought) simple step by step instructions on getting pdaXrom to dual boot from SD.
At least a couple of others have been using my scripts (and they showed up on Japanese site too) so I know they work fro at least the C760 and C860
Stu
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Well said elvis! You perfectly expressed what I was thinking as I read the threads.
Mail added to the already great KDE Pim/Pi! zautrix I LOVE YOU MAN!!
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Stubear,
I do actually fancy having a go at this. Just found it too daunting to read through al 12 pages of forum posts on it.
What would be best reading material
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=1510 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1510)
or
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=3027 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3027)
OR do I need to read both.
A shorter option would be great
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OK - I get some time to work on compiling KDEPim/PI in OE enviroment.
You can compile it for Qt3 (for the desktop version ) and Qt2 ( for the embedded version).
Some classes of Qt3 does not exist in Qt2.
For that reason you do need the qtcompat lib and the qtcompat lib path in your include path.
Actually I have QT/E 2.3.7 and your qtcompat in include path - qinputdialog.h conflicts each other so I changed few files to include qtcompat/qinputdialog.h instead of qinputdialog.h
There are two different *.pro files in every directory, e.g. korganizer.pro and korganizerE.pro.
You have to make sure, that always the *E.pro is used for makefile creation when compiling for embedded.
If you use qmake , it will choose the non E *.pro version.
I use qmake but before compile I rename each *E.pro to *.pro (renamed few in CVS snapshot to have them named like directory - for example "kdepim/kabc/formats/binary/kabcformat_binaryE.pro to kdepim/kabc/formats/binary/binaryE.pro")
NOTE: package kdepimpi-1.9.1-r0: task do_compile completed
Now I have to package it, test and then I will send You patches and finally add it into OpenEmbedded (with fetching sources from SF).
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https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=3027 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=3027)
Zuber, use this one and follow the instructions for pdaxrom 1.0.0. I got this working with CackoQT "elena" 1.2.1b. I didn't have much joy with Stubear's pdaxrom 1.0.5 and I haven't had the time to create one from my own installation.
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Hi all,
I have a little problem with KA/Pi 1.9.3 importing an all-in-one vCard from Apple's iCal. The file with all entries is correctly imported but German Umlauts and "ß" are not recognized (some chars are missing, others are a quadrat. I exported in vCard 2.1 format (cause 3.0 didn't work), and I tried the Windows Latin1, Mac OS Latin, Unicode and UTF-8 encodings but nothing does the Umlauts right.
Any idea, or is this a know limitation?
SL-5500G, SharpROM 3.13 and Cacko Kernel
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I think I have found another bug in KO/Pi 1.9.3a, could someone try this before I enter it into the bug tracker?
Starting on today's date (21 July 2004) use any method (date picker, calendar display, etc. to go to 1 Jan 2004. I get a lockup, screen display is colors of events only with no text. Zaurus will autosuspend and turn back on, but no button press will get me anywhere. I have to do a hard reset. KO/Pi does the same think with or without fastload active on my SL-5500 whether installed to Main Memory or SD card.
Thank you.
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Hi all,
I have a little problem with KA/Pi 1.9.3 importing an all-in-one vCard from Apple's iCal. The file with all entries is correctly imported but German Umlauts and "ß" are not recognized (some chars are missing, others are a quadrat. I exported in vCard 2.1 format (cause 3.0 didn't work), and I tried the Windows Latin1, Mac OS Latin, Unicode and UTF-8 encodings but nothing does the Umlauts right.
Any idea, or is this a know limitation?
SL-5500G, SharpROM 3.13 and Cacko Kernel
The encoding should be utf8.
Please report this in the bugtracker with all information you have.
I see, you did it already . Thx!
z.
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I think I have found another bug in KO/Pi 1.9.3a, could someone try this before I enter it into the bug tracker?
Starting on today's date (21 July 2004) use any method (date picker, calendar display, etc. to go to 1 Jan 2004. I get a lockup, screen display is colors of events only with no text. Zaurus will autosuspend and turn back on, but no button press will get me anywhere. I have to do a hard reset. KO/Pi does the same think with or without fastload active on my SL-5500 whether installed to Main Memory or SD card.
Thank you.
Hi slocaus,
that is strange!
Does it happen also with an empty calendar?
Maybe it depends on some special entries in your calendar.
Can you try to find out more?
I cannot get this behaviour.
z.
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Hi Zautrix, no error with empty calendar. Tried to move mycalendar.ics as copy to old data location, and got error on opening after the message about upgrade from 1.9.1 and importing old data. Have narrowed it down that something is bad before 15 Jan 2004. I cannot access any date prior to that without lockup!
I'll have to look at my KOrg on the desktop to see if a can identify the event(s) in question, delete them, synch, and see what I can do.
Thank you!
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I do not have slocaus's error. I can see jan1, 2004 properly.
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It is my data!
KOrg under KDE locks up going from 11 Jan to 10 Jan 2004. Tried 15 Dec 2003 and get lockups as well. <sigh> I'll sort it out tonight after I get home from the second job (this is an hour break between),
So it is not a KO/Pi issue at least.
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Just a quick update if it might help anyone else:
KOrg desktop choose Month mode, go to Dec 2003 showed dashed lines in many days, which I'm guessing was a corrupted repeating event. Bu choosing Delete / All for that event, I was able to clear the errors.
Then I physically copied that KDE KOrg desktop file (calendar.ics) to my CF card as mycalendar.ics and opened it wiith KO/Pi. After warnings about files changed, I choose the Synch+Save option.
Now my data is fine, and I can scroll or jump to any month on any date with no errors at all.
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In Ka/Pi,
I can enter Chinese contact list by Ka/Pi itself,
but I can't import/export cvs file in Chinese,
Can anybody import/export cvs file in Chinese,
or other way to import/export contact list with Chinese code?
In Ko/Pi,
I can import/export data by sync option with Sharp datebook data,
but Ka/Pi has no this kind of function,
I think it's a good way to solve this problem.
Ka/pi is a good software,
I really want to replace Sharp addressbook by it.
I will appriciate for your help
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Keep in mind that KO/Pi was developed first and has a Stable version 1.7.5 and a second stage beta 1.9.x version.
KA/Pi is still first stage Alpha and has much work to do, as in CSV import / export and synching. I find it totally useable and have had no troubles (as an English native writer/user).
I do use Unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) to copy my changed addresses from my Zaurus to my linux KAB. I did a similar thing with KO/Pi when it was in Alpha before the sync functions were added.
Zautrix and Ulf got sidetracked with some licensing issues with KOpieMail, but I am certain that KA/P will have sync functions and many many features added soon.
The pace at which KO/Pi had bug fixes / updates/ improvements was amazing. KA/Pi will be the same, and is probably being improved now, but just no recent releases.
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Thanks for your help,
So I still can only key in the contact list one by one,
I will wait for the next update of KDE/Pi,
Or,if anybody can tell me what kind of code is the csv file,
"maybe" I can find some software to convert it by hand?
because I can "type", "save", and "read" Chinese in my Zaurus,just can't "import/export".....
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Did you look at the CSV import templates on the project homepage? (First post on this thread.)
CSV import does work. I happened to use the addressbook from my old Palm, since it had all about about a dozen addresses, and just keyed in the rest. Using the "export function of the Palm (really J-Pilot Linux desktop) and choose CSV format. I then copied that file to a CF card and then did the import on my Zaurus using KA/Pi 1.9.0.
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(Oh and just a clarification.. you might not have understood that the phrase "to get pissed" means "getting into a bad mood", so this refers to the one who speaks the phrase, not to the one he tells it to... clear? So, please read that again. No threat here, but a misunderstanding on your side)
Unfortunately, "to get pissed" only means that in American. In English, it means to get drunk, which might explain the reaction you got!
Glad you settled your arguments, though. I was looking at this thread to try to work out where the pdaXrom fits in, and it seems to be "not yet". Fair enough. So making a point about KO/Pi that I'm using on the Xrom is probably irrelevant, but I'll do it anyway
When in the journal, I'm not sure if you can use the keyboard to get in and out of edit mode - I tap on the edit window or another window. If there aren't any keystrokes to do this (perhaps the OK button to toggle editing on and off?) it would be nice to do so.
Thanks.
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Hello kkkkkk,
First off all, KA/Pi is based on KDE KAddressbook. That means in general anything that works with KAddressbook should also work with Ka/Pi.
If you are not sure what the behaviour of Ka/Pi in the context of languages should be, simply try it first with the original KAddressbook. Then you know if it is a Ka/Pi bug or not.
Now I for my part have never tried to export chinese characters into a csv file.
And yes, right now I am working on the Ka/Pi sync module. If everything goes well it will have the same sync functionality like Ko/Pi and it will support syncing between
- Ko/Pi and vCard addressbooks (=Ko/Pi, KAddressbook)
- Ko/Pi and opie addressbook
- Ko/Pi and qtopia addressbook
- Ko/Pi and sharp dtm addressbook
thanks,
Ulf
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@Ulf
Any chance that vCard v3.0 format import will be supported in the future?
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Hi!
Just wondering how to compile kdepim 1.9x on windows?
What is the version of QT I should use?