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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: 2devnull on December 08, 2003, 07:32:30 pm
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Can anyone confirm if the C860 has an SDIO drive?
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I don\'t think so.
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nope, i don\'t believe so. None of the zaurii do.
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Apparently the pxa zaurus\'s have some support for SDIO. A driver for an SD gps has been written and used on poodle
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Apparently the pxa zaurus\'s have some support for SDIO. A driver for an SD gps has been written and used on poodle
wow, this is interesting. I would loveto find out some more info on this. having a GPS work with the Z while having a wifi card in would be very nice for wardriving etc.
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Yeah it\'d be great to have a SDIO wifi card and be able to have something like a 1GB CF card present for downloading / uploading files.
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having a GPS work with the Z while having a wifi card in would be very nice for wardriving etc.
You hacker you
Come to the UK and document all the open access points in Birmingham
)(
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treke,
Is the SDIO info based on rumours or something firm. Some links to the gps stff would be nice...
Zuber
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It\'s based on someone telling me he had the gps working. I don\'t know if any of it was ever actually released.
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The GPS devices was the Matsushita em2120 GPS reciever
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I definitively interested on this SDIO driver. Could please provide us with more details ?
Thanks in advance.
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Before you guys get all worked up, there\'s something you should look into. I recall reading in one of the forums that Sharp didn\'t bother to connect the unused pins on the SD slot. If this is really true, even if you find an SDIO driver, it won\'t work on the Z.
~ray
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Before you guys get all worked up, there\'s something you should look into. I recall reading in one of the forums that Sharp didn\'t bother to connect the unused pins on the SD slot. If this is really true, even if you find an SDIO driver, it won\'t work on the Z.
~ray
Wasn\'t that on the C760 and not the C860?
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Before you guys get all worked up, there\'s something you should look into. I recall reading in one of the forums that Sharp didn\'t bother to connect the unused pins on the SD slot. If this is really true, even if you find an SDIO driver, it won\'t work on the Z.
~ray
Read the part where I said someone wrote an SD Driver and used it on poodle ( SL 5600), meaning enough of the hardware was there for him to write a working GPS driver.
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Ah, okay; I thought poodle was some other device.
Nevertheless, based on what I had read, I\'m surprised he was able to get it to work.
Perhaps it is only the 5000 and 5500 that aren\'t fully wired? That would be good news.
~ray
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Oh dear god please let it be so! I am definately not the only one that would be happy to see SDIO on his Cxx0 series
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Perhaps it is only the 5000 and 5500 that aren\'t fully wired? That would be good news.
Depends on your point of view ;-). The 5x00 devices also have SA1110 chips as opposed to the PXA2x0 ones which the other Z\'s have. I was under the impression (merely from reading the other forum) that the PXA2x0 might have some kind of built in SDIO...?
Si
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hmm...well, you might be in luck. Shawn Gordon coincidentally just happened to mention this on the tkc mailing list today (the conversation was about SD transfer rates) and he mentioned that he thinks the devices after the 5500 have all of the pins wired. So, I guess it\'s so!
~ray
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Can we get a double check on this and/or get this Shawn bloke to visit this board? There\'s no point us getting our hopes up just to have them dashed.
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*BUMP* I feel this is important, please don\'t let this idea just get swept under the rug!
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Foxdie,
you bumped this just as I thinking there was some sort of conspiracy.
I recalled reading it, and thought I had read it on the sharp devnet board. I have just spent 20mins searching for this post on the sharp devnet, and I thought it had been removed when the board went down.
If this could be made to work then there will be much rejoicing.
My 760 could arrive in the next 7 hours, so I\'m off to bed.
Peter.
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I think they do have the capability for SDIO, but the problem is the driver. Apparently you have to pay $1000 a year to the SD Card Association at www.sdcard.org (http://www.sdcard.org) to be able to develop drivers. Although they do provide a simplified version of the SDIO spec to the public on their \"How to Join\" page. Also, I found an SD-Card block driver at www.blumba.de (http://www.blumba.de) that might be useful to someone wanting to write an SDIO driver. Although, I don\'t know how legal writing an open source SDIO driver would be.
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I think they do have the capability for SDIO, but the problem is the driver. Apparently you have to pay $1000 a year to the SD Card Association at www.sdcard.org to be able to develop drivers.
I think it may be time to reengineer this darn thing. I really hate this closed spec stuff.
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BUMP
Did this ever get resolved? Is the Hardware there, but not the driver?
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Are there any SD Wireless cards that aren\'t SDIO? Will any of the SD Wireless cards work on my SL-C860?
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I\'m not completely inept at electronics (buh, if you\'re one, that\'s not really difficult). I have taken apart a few devices using Intel PXA stuff, especially the PXA2xx. If someone could publish or mail me high-resolution pictures of the PCB (upper and lower side), I might make an educated guess. The pinout of the PXA2xx chips is known, and from this, we might be able to find out. See http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicatio...ls/27869401.pdf (http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/27869401.pdf) for the Intel manual on the PXA255.
Now we need somebody to take pictures of the C860 PCB....who wants to sacrifice his Z for \'science\'?
Of course, someone could still fake a connection and let it run into a dead end, or even use crippled PXA chips iof they order enough.
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I\'ll debate with myself over the next 24 hours if it\'s worth taking my C760 apart to take the photo. I am pretty confident I can strip it down and reassemble it fine, but who wants to take such a risk with such an expensive device?
PS. Due to it\'s significance (who WOULDN\'T want SDIO??) I\'ve set this topic as sticky in the hope it\'ll grab peoples attentions to keep following it.
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I\'m definitely not able to put my Z together after having taken it apart, and I don\'t really want to send Foxdie up to the front - but I would like to have SDIO ;-)
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I have a C700 that has problems with the display ( the display is very faint.. but still there.. no backlight.. etc). I have taken apart the screen part of the cover but not the bottom...
If it would help I can take the bottom apart and take pictures. It will take a little bit because I would need to borrow my friend\'s camera.
let me know if you guys would want that.. I know it\'s only C700 with the PXA250 but maybe it would help
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I definitively interested on this SDIO driver. Could please provide us with more details ?
Thanks in advance.
I spoke with the person in question again a couple weeks ago. The reason he never ended up releasing any of the work he did was due to possible legal concerns.
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I have a C700 that has problems with the display ( the display is very faint.. but still there.. no backlight.. etc). I have taken apart the screen part of the cover but not the bottom...
If it would help I can take the bottom apart and take pictures. It will take a little bit because I would need to borrow my friend\'s camera.
let me know if you guys would want that.. I know it\'s only C700 with the PXA250 but maybe it would help
High resolution and high quality photos of all the C series innards would probably be good
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I thought the 128mb ram site had some already...
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Dear Sirs,
I am now working on a design of PXA-255 and from Intel\'s comment,
only SPI mode can be used to \"emulate\" SDIO, but it is out of spec.
Can you please advise which lines are to be connected so I can check?
I have a plit open zaurus.
br,
felix leung.
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This is an image of the innards of a C750, it looks to me like all pins are connected?
here\'s the link:
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/image/SL-C750...d_botview_f.jpg (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/image/SL-C750/Hardware/mainboard_botview_f.jpg)
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They could merely be soldered to the PCB but not have copper tracks running to them. If I had a good digital camera I\'d take photo\'s of the inside of mine (VERY CAREFULLY!). I\'ve had some experience stripping down laptops and I have a miniature screwdriver set so it shouldn\'t be too hard so long as I don\'t lose the screws
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What leads should be connected for SDIO to work? As you said Foxdie, it could be just soldered to the PCB, since there is very little \'activity\' showing around some of the pins. Just the first three or four seem connected to anything that looks like a trace, but on the other hand, with them multilayered pcb\'s you never know.
Three or four sounds too little tho for doing even standard SD work.
Keen an eye on those screws, and don\'t disasamble your Z in a room with thick fluffy carpet on the floor
Gr.
Hertog
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Keen an eye on those screws, and don\'t disasamble your Z in a room with thick fluffy carpet on the floor
Oh how that has burned me in the past, It sucks having to get on your knee\'s with a torch just to find a screw
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Keen an eye on those screws, and don\'t disasamble your Z in a room with thick fluffy carpet on the floor
Oh how that has burned me in the past, It sucks having to get on your knee\'s with a torch just to find a screw
A big magnet on then end of a piece of string will find it, and any other bits of metal too
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Don\'t do it Foxdie, ain\'t worth it, you\'ve only just got her working again ;-)
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I\'ve been told by other forums here that the SDIO driver would be very hard to make. Is it possible to create a generic CF driver wrapper/addapter for the SDIO port so that Linux can now act as if it has 2 CF cards instead of 1 CF and 1 SD? If we can do that (if it\'s possible) then the existing CF card drivers should work (although they may be a little slower because of the translation needed in the CF-SDIO driver/adapter).
What do you think?
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Don\'t do it Foxdie, ain\'t worth it, you\'ve only just got her working again ;-)
I won\'t be doing it until I have access to a high quality digital camera, the one I have takes appauling pictures.
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Don\'t do it Foxdie, ain\'t worth it, you\'ve only just got her working again ;-)
I won\'t be doing it until I have access to a high quality digital camera, the one I have takes appauling pictures.
It\'s been about a week and half...are we giving this up for dead.
Newbie question....If you plug in an SD WIFI Card, would there be anyway to see if the connections are there via some simple linux calls?
If so, I might flip for the SDIO WIFI card if someone could give me the linux calls to make (and spoonfeed them to this por newbie, as I drool alot still....). :wink:
However, even if we proved this via linux, who is willing to write the driver? Anyone?
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The one SDIO wifi card that I have seen in shops in Japan is listed both by the manufaturer and Sharp as not working with the Cxx0 Zaurus.
They don\'t mention whether it\'s drivers or hardware that doesn\'t let it work, just that it doesn\'t work
Stu
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The one SDIO wifi card that I have seen in shops in Japan is listed both by the manufaturer and Sharp as not working with the Cxx0 Zaurus.
They don\'t mention whether it\'s drivers or hardware that doesn\'t let it work, just that it doesn\'t work
Stu
Offer stills stands, I will buy the card, if soke know some linux (or script) I can run to query IRQs, etc) If it doesn\'t work, I cann always sell it.
My main concern here is bluetooth really, or perhaps both. Anyway, I can get one of the if someone if feeling like working with me to do the priliminaries to determine pin connections.
I think WIFI and Bloue tooth would be great additions, as the CF card is perfectly paced to make typing a PITA with a big WIFI card.
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This is interesting:
http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/documen...ty-26022004.pdf (http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/document/Cguys%20wi-fi/SD%20Link11b%20compatibility-26022004.pdf)
Evidently it\'s coming out this month? I tried looking for this wifi card via Google, and I got a lot of non-English pages. Anyone know about this?
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Bluetooth SDIO would be interesting to me too... Would let me use a Microdrive simultaneously.
I couldn\'t write the whole driver by myself but I could help out, especially with some of the reverse engineering parts...
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This is interesting:
http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/documen...ty-26022004.pdf (http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/document/Cguys%20wi-fi/SD%20Link11b%20compatibility-26022004.pdf)
Evidently it\'s coming out this month? I tried looking for this wifi card via Google, and I got a lot of non-English pages. Anyone know about this?
Well this is the first \"proof\" I have seen that the clamshells are wired for SDIO. So it *must* be possible
But I would go along with DrWowe, blue tooth would be more usefull for me too.
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The only problem is that it would stick out wouldn\'t it?
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This is interesting:
http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/documen...ty-26022004.pdf (http://www.mobilelinktech.com/corp/document/Cguys%20wi-fi/SD%20Link11b%20compatibility-26022004.pdf)
Evidently it\'s coming out this month? I tried looking for this wifi card via Google, and I got a lot of non-English pages. Anyone know about this?
If this is true, then what i the hold up...the issue of no spec becuase of the SDIO royalty issue?
Just curious.
Thanks
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Has anybody actually tried sticking a SDIO device in to see what happens? Hmm, I guess you would require the relevant drivers first- DANG!
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Looks like topic is dying again. Darn.
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There is apparently a new Fujitsu SDIO card for Linux coming soon that I posted here:
http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?n...iewtopic&t=5096 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5096)
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I wonder if these guys who wrote this could help...
GPIO code (http://www.holgerschurig.de/files/embedded/decodeSU)
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FYI I have tried a SanDisk SDIO WiFI card in my c860 and it did not work at all. I would like to try the C-Guys device since it allegedly works on the Z.
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Did it produce anything in dmesg?
I doubt it would work as there are no drivers, but if it could be detected, etc.......
Si
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Nothing was produced in dmesg. It was a co-worlers card and he returned after a few days because he was having problems with his Ipaq detecting the card. So, I'm not convinced that the Z cannot recognize SDIO cards. I think I'll run by Fry's and try out a card and then return it.
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The 5th post, that guy claim he did a driver for the SDIO sandisk wlan card. Still no proof but thats very intriguing
http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1263 (http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1263)
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hum it is kind of ridiculuous that a user community has to debate for months about weather a device can support a specific technology.
dont get me wrong i love my z just a thought that crossed my mind.
And the debate continues ......
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Yes it is ridiculous. I wrote the mobilelinktech people an email inquiring about their having the Zaurus on their support document. Hopefully I'll get a reply.
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I emailed Mobile Link around June 17 and received the following reply, which promised to notify me "if" the driver is ready, not "when," though the distinction may not have been intended. I'll post if I learn that the Zaurus driver is released--immediately *after* I order the card. . . .
>Hi Steven ,
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>Thanks for your enquiry.
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>The driver is not ready yet . Will inform you if it is ready.
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>Regards,
>Simon Wong
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>Mobile Link Technology Limited
>NEW Address (Effective from June 14th) : Unit 1309A Cable TV Tower, No. 9 Hoi >Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, N.T.
>Tel: (852) 2499 0610
>Fax: (852) 2499 0637
>Mobile: (852) 9273 4014
>E-mail: simon@mobilelinktech.com
>Homepage: http://www.mobilelinktech.com (http://www.mobilelinktech.com)
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I emailed them to ... have yet to recieve a response. maybe everyone should email them
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Got my response from Mobile Link:
Dear Sir,
The driver for Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 is not available at this moment. It must look forward from C-Guys. When it is available, you must be the first one we will apprise.
Best Regard,
Support Teams
Mobile Link Technology Limited
Man I love that Engrish!
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It is with much excitement that I post the following reply from C-Guys:
Hi Bryan:
Thanks for asking.
C760 was the target and it did work for beta in the early this year.
While we were working on the GUI (for similar to Windows OS), Sharp
upgraded it to C860. Therefore, the product (the driver) we will be
issuing will be for 860 and it should be available in the early next
month. We will be performing the GUI beta test at the end of this
month.
We will update the sheet very soon.
H. Ide
So, according to C-Guys the 760's and 860's both have SDIO capability and they will be releasing a driver for their SD-Link11b card within months. How great is that?
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This changes everything, no need to worry about only having a maximum of 1GB storage due to only being able to use SD memory cards and forced to use a CF WiFi card...
I can imagine the SDIO based WiFi card won't even be able to handle the full 11MBit bandwidth offered by the 802.11b protocol but it should still handle broadband perfectly fine.
Also, in theory, you could have a 4GB Storage WiFi FTP if you're at a expo or something
This opens many doors. I hope it works out!
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excellent news stupkid
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wwwwhhhhhhhooooooooo!!!!!
Good news indeed! I'm getting one!
Lareya
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That's actually very good news, but OTOH, I'll probably stay with CF WiFi despite the fact that the SDIO driver is coming now.
OTOH, everything that adds choice in this sector is good.
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Any idea about the license yet?
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http://www.c-guys.com/Softagreement.txt (http://www.c-guys.com/Softagreement.txt)
With WiFi, my 4GB Hitachi/Muvo, Cacko and Debian pocketworkstation in XQt simultaneously, the Z will be a laptop in my pocket. What else is missing?
Don't anyone say Windoze.....
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WOW, this thread has moved on a bit since my last read, a SD Wifi card? Am I reading this right? I'm feeling dizzy.. This is excellent news, and may make me move to wifi at home, that and a 4GB Microdrive and I'll be in heaven.
Great news.
-Francis
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Mickeyl,
<My Message>
Hi Hiroshi,
Do you have any idea on the license for this driver? Specifically will
it be an OpenSource license (GPL, LGPL, etc.)?
Thank you,
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We have not consider that yet.
There are a few proprietary parts that cannot be open. But other parts can
be opened.
We will define which will be open and which will be closed once it is a
shape to something, which is soon.
H. Ide
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stupkid, thanks for asking.
Please communicate to them that it's technically possible (e.g. using hal modules or firmware) to have the non-disclosable parts binary only yet having it distributed as source code.
Not having the driver as source code would render it useless for all non SharpROM users once we upgrade the Zaurus kernel.
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I directed Hiroshi to the Linuxant drivers:
http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ (http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/)
as an example of this partially open solution. Hopefully they will see the benefits.
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Check out the third post...the guy is a HP employee...
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=...9875173#9876101 (http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=116705&threshold=2&commentsort=0&tid=163&tid=173&tid=184&mode=thread&pid=9875173#9876101)
Does this mean we could get opensourced SD drivers soon?
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Just an update on the C-Guys card. I noticed that the release date for their Zaurus drivers have changed; before it was supposed to be this month, now it says September
- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
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Another update on the C-Guys SD WiFi card: they've updated their support table yet again... the 'end of September' date for Zaurus support still stands, but they've now marked the C750 as not supported. I'm curious as to the reason... I thought that the C750 and C760 were pretty close hardware-wise. I wonder if this implies that Cx60 can do SDIO, but the C750 cannot?
Weird.
- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
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I googled around some.
Zaurus C860 runs on PXA255, Intel has documentation available online (see http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/252780.htm (http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/252780.htm) ). PXA255 has only basic MMC/SPI.
SDcard.org has partial SDIO specifications available online (see http://www.sdcard.org/sdio/index.html (http://www.sdcard.org/sdio/index.html) ) SDIO has three operating modes, SPI, 1-bit and 4-bit. I reckon SPI is a backward-compatability mode, which luckily would mean most SDIO cards should work with PXA255. (I hope zaurus has the interrupt pin connected, as specified in chapter 2.2.1..)
Given this, SPI is the slowest operating mode, and MMC bus has a lower maximum operating frequency (20MHz vs 25MHz). Running WLAN-SDIO on substandard SPI mode is bound to have poor performance. SDIO devices that aren't that bandwidth-hungry should work nicely though, like GPS, modems and bluetooth.
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Yet another update on the C-guy's SDIO WiFi card:
The support table has been updated again, this time saying that the driver for Cx60 is "under preparation for public release". Supposedly this means the driver is ready, though it almost sounds like they're trying to buy yet more time.
Of course, whether I will still buy it or not now depends on whether or not the new Zaurus has built-in WiFi (or if it's even worth buying). Guess I'll just have to wait a couple of weeks to find out.
- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
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The support table has been updated again, this time saying that the driver for Cx60 is "under preparation for public release". Supposedly this means the driver is ready, though it almost sounds like they're trying to buy yet more time.
Thanks for keeping and eye on this. I think a good many are awaiting this driver release, and news is slow making it to the English version of the C Guys site.
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I was at CEATEC today, and C-guys had a c860 on display using their WiFi SD card, so I guess the driver really does exist. I didn't get a chance to ask anyone when the driver will actually be released, though (the show doesn't start until tomorrow; today was setup and rehearsal).
Hopefully sometime during or shortly after CEATEC.
- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
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*keeps his fingers crossed*
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It works!!.. got a beta version of the driver from C-guys last night, installed it just now and it works like a dream, network access seems to be faster than with my old Buffalo cf card but I haven't run any proper tests yet.
I'm running CACkO Zaurus Qtopia ROM 1.21 1914070404 (SL-C7x0) "Elena", I had to install a driver from C-guys (ipkg), rebooted, noticed a segfault when the sdio module was initialising (haven't looked into it yet) but it all works really well. The UI for the control panel is a little slow refreshing - it's a beta.. but looks feature complete, it has network descovery, ip configuration etc. I am relieved that it works having bought the card in faith that they were developing somthing!
Well done C-guys, you are the best!
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What about monitor mode? What does the output of iwpriv look like?
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I wonder if this Wifi SD card will work in a C3K? Now all we need is a Bluetooth SD card and driver.
j.
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justinh:
I'm curious, how were you able to get ahold of the beta driver? I've tried sending email to C-guys before, but never received a response.
- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
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I got the beta driver tonight. When I saw justinh's post, a few hours ago, I emailed asking to be a beta tester. Hiroshi Ide wrote right back "You visited us right time."
I have been running pdaXrom RC5 lately. The driver app is Qt and pdaXrom didn't recognize the card in its panel app even after a restart. Something zoomed by at the end of the boot sequence about SD-Link but I don't know if it was the driver looking or the hardware recognized at some level. It came after the end of what's in dmesg, and I can't remember where the rest of the startup sequence messages get stored.
At any rate, I assume it won't work in pdaXrom without some effort by the developers. So I'm going to flash back to Cacko with XQt for a while and try it out, though it may be the weekend before I can put much time into it.
One initial impression is that the card sticks out enough from the back to expose some of the thin part of the card as well as the thicker antenna section. I have the feeling I could snap it off if I'm not fairly careful.
I'll report after I reflash and get it running.
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Hi there, I asked C-Guys on what devices their linux drivers are tested. Here's their answer.
"Jan
I have just had a mail confirming that the SD Link 11b module and Linux drivers have been tested with the 860 and 760 but not with the 3000 at this stage.
Regards
Pete"
BTW, I must say they are a very helpful company. They responded to my mails in the hour, and they keep me informed when driver status changes etc. Apparently they now have a european office. Pete is the contact there.
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I flashed my C860 with the most recent Cacko ROM, installed the driver with no problems, inserted the card, and it was recognized and immediately connected and was working.
But -- it soon dropped the connection. The operation of the driver panel application was erratic. It would sometimes allow settings to be changes, sometimes not. Sometimes changes were accepted by the app but didn't happen. Sometimes all the options greyed out for long periods. I noticed the original Cacko app for mounting and umounting the SD and CF cards wasn't visible, and I couldn't access the CF card anymore. Generally I couldn't hold a connection for more than a minute or two, then I could reconnect a couples of times, then finally I would have to reboot to reconnect.
My sense is that most of the problems are just a conflict with the Cacko drivers or software for the SD and CF slots. With that fixed, the card might work very well. I've reported to C-Guys, asked them if they tested on any ROMs other than the Sharp ROM, since Cacko is supposed to be largely compatible with it, and suggested open sourcing the driver so that pdaXrom or OZ might support it.
Subjectively, the card is set to maximum performace as the default. When it was working, it seemed very fast and ran very hot. There is a low power setting alternative setting, but I couldn't get it to work.
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I also exchanged some emails with Hiroshi (real nice guy by the way).
I asked him A) if there is monitor mode and B) if WPA will be supported in the production release:
He responded:
"NO for both questions.
If someone wants to develop in Linux or public support, we may consider."
I then responded to him:
"I think if you consider releasing your driver as opensource, you would have tremendous support in that area.
I have spoken to a few of my cohorts and they would be very interested in helping to support and write monitor mode and WPA for Linux. There is significant codebase that can be tapped from the hostap development team.
Please consider this as it will definately popularize your organization and your driver since SD had largely been closed source."
So lets see what happens...
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Hi all!
Here is a link to Zaurus WiFi drivers:
http://www.c-guys.net/cgi-bin/download/pas...n_arm.ipk&key=1 (http://www.c-guys.net/cgi-bin/download/passcheck.cgi?filename=sd-link11b_us_jpn_arm.ipk&key=1)
Good luck,
Konstantin
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The released version appears to be identical to the beta which had stability and conflicts problems on my newly flashed Cacko 1.21b. It would be interesting to know if it works better on the Sharp ROM or if uninstalling some of the Cacko card management apps solves the issue.
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Any chance this driver might work with pdaXrom?
Thanks,
Jason.
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I assume that the driver interface at least would need to be open-sourced before it could be modified for pdaXrom.
Hiroshi at C-Guys emailed recently that they are going to look into the stability and conflicts I experienced with the Cacko ROM. Apparently, it was tested on the Sharp ROM. I pointed out to C-Guys that people who specifically needed WiFi on their SDCard rather than the common CF cards are probably pushing the Zaurus to be a mini-laptop more than a PDA, and so are likely to be running something more powerful than the Sharp ROM.
Is anyone using this card and driver on the Sharp ROM?
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any update on this?
I was surfing around the web for information on the c3000 (I ordered one today=)
and found this (http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/20994.html) there is a pic with supported cards (http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/79136-20994-5-3.html) and if I can trust my eyes there is an SDIO card on the table =)
just let me know what you think
I will try one when I get my c3000
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orange:
As I mentioned elsewhere, the card in that pic is a PHS modem card for use with KDDI/DDIPocket's AirH" service. Information on the card can be found at: http://www.ddipocket.co.jp/p_s/products/co...t/ah_s101s.html (http://www.ddipocket.co.jp/p_s/products/content/ah_s101s.html) (Japanese-only).
According to Sharp's Zaurus support page, the above card does indeed work with the C3000 (the page contains a footnote, though, stating that the card needs to be setup manually, as it will not be auto-detected).
The card is not very useful outside of Japan. However, this does show, at least, that the C3k can use SDIO devices (assuming driver availability).
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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The explanation for the limitations of the SD-LINK11B in the C series Zaurii as translated from the C-Guys web site follows. I take it to mean that there is a conflict with the email program and that general network connectivity is sometimes lost but can be reestablished by a reset or reinsertion of the card. My understanding is that the card driver was tested only on the Sharp ROM. I couldn't get it working reliably on Cacko and went back to pdaXrom. I could make network connections but always lost them within a minute or two. It seemed to me that the conflict in Cacko might only be between the Cacko card monitoring applet and the driver monitoring applet, not a fundamental problem with the driver itself. But I haven't seen a report of anyone trying to get it to work in Cacko or in the Sharp ROM. C-Guys said they were working on that issue, but I haven't heard anything further in the last month. Sharp may build a clamshell with wireless integrated before this driver is done.
https://www.oesf.org/forums/styl...ges/1/icon2.gif (https://www.oesf.org/forums/style_images/1/icon2.gif)
Concerning the correspondence to the Zaurus of the SD-LINK11B
2004年10月27日
Usually you utilizing the ti I guise online shop, thank you truly.
Well, this each time for the sharp make Zaurus SL-C760, of SD-LINK11B SL-C860 driver release
It came to the point of doing. But, unless you can use the Mail software of Zaurus standard loading,
You say, we have become part functional limited edition. In addition, driver and ユーザーズマニュ of Zaurus
edition Because Al has not entered into the CD which bundled is done at the time of SD-LINK11B purchase, this ショッ
Download center of ピングサイト (http: //www.c-guys.net/support/download/link.shtml)
From downloading, we have become the mechanism which it receives. As for the customer who is purchased, the point above
Comprehension after receiving, to buy that it receives, we ask.
Furthermore, it is thought there is no problem, in in regard to truth use, but phenomenon below occurring verification
We have done. The case where these phenomena occurred, inconvenience you know very much, but at below-mentioned method opposite
That application/response it receives, we ask.
1) When power source TURNING ON in state while while the SD-LINK11B is inserted power source TURNS OFF, is inserted, connection
It becomes a state where it is cut off.
(Correspondence) pulling out the SD-LINK11B, when again it inserts, it returns.
2) When the taking out and putting in the SD-LINK11B is repeated continually, there are times when the Zaurus freezes.
(Correspondence) reset operation (the electric battery removal and software reset) with the restart.
3) Radio communication discontinues rarely, the card is taken out and put in and the radio are times when it stops reconnecting.
(Correspondence) restart from Qt menu.
Furthermore, console processing or TCP/IP of web browsing and Telnet et cetera on terminal
There is no problem only concerning the general Mailer software which is utilized.
(Concerning " the MaidMail ", at our company we are operational verifying.)
We ask the inquiry regarding this case, to description below.
Mail address ahead inquiring: Help@c-guys.net
Also in the future we ask the ti I guise online shop may.
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According to Sharp's Zaurus support page, the above card does indeed work with the C3000 (the page contains a footnote, though, stating that the card needs to be setup manually, as it will not be auto-detected).
The card is not very useful outside of Japan. However, this does show, at least, that the C3k can use SDIO devices (assuming driver availability).
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
thx for the info!
but still no hope that any W-Lan SD Card would work out of the box
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I'm not sure if I understand. Does the driver work for any SDIO Wi Fi card out there? Or just C-Guy's? And do they ship to the US?
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I don't know that the C-Guys driver has been tested with other SDIO Wifi cards. The only one that C-Guys says it works with is their SDLink11b card and from the testimony here it sounds like it doesn't work very well.
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Oh I see. I guess I will have to wait a long while before any news gets out. Thanks.
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I couldn't get it working reliably on Cacko and went back to pdaXrom.
stbrock:
Does this mean you are able to use the SDlink-11b in the pdaXrom? From your earlier post I thought the card wasn't working in pdaxrom.
Cheers,
Jerry
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this is what we need to figure out the sdio commands and be able to write drivers.
http://www.ydc.co.jp/emb/en/product/SDPA.html (http://www.ydc.co.jp/emb/en/product/SDPA.html)
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stbrock:
Does this mean you are able to use the SDlink-11b in the pdaXrom? From your earlier post I thought the card wasn't working in pdaxrom.
Cheers,
Jerry
Just saw this. A little late, sorry. No, the card didn't work at all in pdaXrom, and was not sufficiently reliable in Cacko for regular use. So I'm not using the card at present. If someone with the skills to work on the driver is interested in getting this card, he or she should PM me.
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Hi, newbie with my C860 and was so excited over the SDIO in PC show that I just bought it. Drivers are weird as it does not come in ipk format altho it says it support linux. Any updates to this thread on the SDIO driver?
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Has anyone seen this?
embwise (http://www.embwise.com/products.htm)
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Hi, newbie with my C860 and was so excited over the SDIO in PC show that I just bought it. Drivers are weird as it does not come in ipk format altho it says it support linux. Any updates to this thread on the SDIO driver?
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Hi, you can go on [a href=\"http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.c-guys.net&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools[/url] to get the ipk file. Click on download, than scroll down n click on the SD-LINK11B link, than scroll down n click on the Linux Zaurus usa link.
there's a manual on http://www.c-guysusa.com (http://www.c-guysusa.com) but it doesn't concern zarus or linux http://www.c-guysusa.com/Support/SD-link11bManual.pdf (http://www.c-guysusa.com/Support/SD-link11bManual.pdf)
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Has anyone seen this?
embwise (http://www.embwise.com/products.htm)
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It sounds like the first right step into an SDIO driver base?
Is there any good books concerning hardware writing for zaurus?
thanks
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seems like they (embwise) have added SDIO sttack with wifi support.
So sd wifi cards will be supported now for the zaurus.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9692674403.html (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9692674403.html)
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Here is current situation with SDIO support.
I talk with owner of Zaurus SL-C860, and he said:
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I do have older Zaurus SL-C860. The WiFi SD card from
http://www.c-guys.net/ (http://www.c-guys.net/) works only with C860 and C760 original japanese
roms, not with SL-C3100. The problem is that they never updated their
drivers.
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Also, I did wrote to EmbWise about their SDIOWorx technology, and they said:
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We have a working SDIO-WiFi drivers on the platforms that we support our SDIOWorx with.We have ported our SDIOWorx onto ONLY Zaurus SL-C3000 and not all of Zaurus PDAs.However we would think that the stack and the driver would work on Zaurus SL-C1000 as well as SL-C3100,since they have the same hardware architecture.But we don't want to commit till we decide to and test the software on these other models.
The WiFi driver is being tested now on SL-C3000.
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I suppose that C-Guys will not support new Zaurus' in the future, but coming soon SDIOWorx will hopefully solve problem with SDIO for all Linux-based PDAs which can support it, including new Zaurus SL-C3100.
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Did you ask about their position on licensing? It'd be cool, if that driver wouldn't be limited to 2.4.20-embedix.
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It'd be cool, if that driver wouldn't be limited to 2.4.20-embedix.
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SDIOWorx will be very useless if it will not support custom kernels. Fortunatelly, according to their specifications, SDIOWorx will work with all 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. That means that SDIOWorx will work with any modern kernel.
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Pretty cool, that means GPL then or does it?
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Pretty cool, that means GPL then or does it?
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Don't know, but SDIOWorx must be an open-source project in order to support 2.4 and
2.6 kernels. As far as I understand, main idea of SDIOWorx project is that
SDIOWorx itself is open-source, and it allows throw its API make use of binary
drivers for SDIO. Accordingly to their documentation, SDIO-Blutooth and
SD-UART "client" drivers will be open-source, and SDIO-WiFi will be
closed-source (because SDIOWorx allows using of such driver on all kernels, this
isn't big disadvantage). This is everything I know, so if you have additional
questions, ask them personally by e-mail: <info@embwise.com>.
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Don't know, but SDIOWorx must be an open-source project in order to support 2.4 and
2.6 kernels. As far as I understand, main idea of SDIOWorx project is that
I disagree, it is perfectly possible to have a non-GPL driver in the linux kernel - witness vmware, qemu's accelerator etc.
However, I really hope that sdioworx release the module, even if binary only, for zaurus users. maybe too they wll have a fix for 2GB and larger memory cards?
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Don't know, but SDIOWorx must be an open-source project in order to support 2.4 and
2.6 kernels. As far as I understand, main idea of SDIOWorx project is that
I disagree, it is perfectly possible to have a non-GPL driver in the linux kernel - witness vmware, qemu's accelerator etc.
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Of course, you are right, but this may lead to some problems some times - "less freedom, more problems". Fortunatelly, there isn't reason to make SDIOWorx closed-source project. As far as I understand (from their documentation) only SDIO-WiFi client driver will be closed-source. I hope that SDIOWorx will successfully implement to Linux devices SDIO technology. Now, we must simply wait... Within next few months we will hopefully get SDIO support under Linux.
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Anybody heard anything new on this? Is anyone supporting the newer clamshell models? After reading the entire thread all the way through, it looks like SDIO on Zaurii is flaky at best unless there have been any new developments.
*BUMP*
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I can confirm my c1000 has working SDIO which supports 4 bit mode and DMA/irqs
I have it working here (at work) with a WiFi card. Even a debug driver is achieving 4.5Mbps, and it should go faster than that.
Now the bad news:
I am not using Sharps sd module, but our own driver. SDIO drivers will not be open source - you have to pay royalties and licenses, and may not distribute the protocol.
So if some 3rd party (comercial) were to make Zaurus WiFi SDIO cards, and ship pre-build modules, this would be entirely possible, at least on a c1000.
Thanks,
Tim
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I can confirm my c1000 has working SDIO which supports 4 bit mode and DMA/irqs
I have it working here (at work) with a WiFi card. Even a debug driver is achieving 4.5Mbps, and it should go faster than that.
Now the bad news:
I am not using Sharps sd module, but our own driver. SDIO drivers will not be open source - you have to pay royalties and licenses, and may not distribute the protocol.
So if some 3rd party (comercial) were to make Zaurus WiFi SDIO cards, and ship pre-build modules, this would be entirely possible, at least on a c1000.
Thanks,
Tim
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I assume you are familiar with the C-Guys SD WiFi card discussed above in this thread? There has been progress adapting the C-Guys driver for that card at least to support memory cards above 1 GB recently, as explained in several threads.
Maslovsky, the man responsible for the Cacko improvements to the Sharp ROM, has my C-Guys card now. To the extent that there are software pieces missing between what C-Guys created and what you have, he might be in a good position to judge whether the gaps can be closed.
Anton, what do you think? tjchick, what specifically can you offer beyond what is available from C-Guys? Are there parts of your driver not within the SD license that could be released open source? Would that be useful absent the proprietary portions? Could parts of your work be adapted to the C-Guys driver, which is readily available?
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Sorry for the multiple posts. With the site down, they didn't seem to be going through from my vantage point.
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Hi,
I'm afraid I don't bring any open source software or information, I just wanted to answer the
question as to the level of support of SDIO on a cl1000 (hardware wise), which is very complete.
I also wanted to clarify the license situation, which means that an open source driver is not possible without reverse engineering, and I believe even that is not permitted in some countries?
Anyone selling/giving away SDIO software or hardware must pay royalties, and they are bound not to divulge details of the specs.
So c-guys already ship a driver for zaurus with a wlan card? Sounds good. Does it sit on top of sharps own sd module ( I am using Cacko, and I believe Cacko uses the Sharp kernel module)?
How is it used to access memory cards? Or is it a replacement for Sharps SD module?
Thanks,
Tim
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I can confirm my c1000 has working SDIO which supports 4 bit mode and DMA/irqs
I have it working here (at work) with a WiFi card. Even a debug driver is achieving 4.5Mbps, and it should go faster than that.
Now the bad news:
I am not using Sharps sd module, but our own driver. SDIO drivers will not be open source - you have to pay royalties and licenses, and may not distribute the protocol.
So if some 3rd party (comercial) were to make Zaurus WiFi SDIO cards, and ship pre-build modules, this would be entirely possible, at least on a c1000.
Thanks,
Tim
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That's very interesting and useful to know. Are you able to say who you work for - I am wondering if you work for embwise?
So, would it be possible to buy the driver off your company as a binary module in order to satisfy the license fees? I would cheerfully pay US$10 for a driver for my Zaurus in order to be able to use SDIO devices (I presume your driver would allow me to use most sdio devices such as wifi, gps etc?)
thanks for taking the time to enlighten us!
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That's very interesting and useful to know. Are you able to say who you work for - I am wondering if you work for embwise?
So, would it be possible to buy the driver off your company as a binary module in order to satisfy the license fees? I would cheerfully pay US$10 for a driver for my Zaurus in order to be able to use SDIO devices (I presume your driver would allow me to use most sdio devices such as wifi, gps etc?)
thanks for taking the time to enlighten us!
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I don't want to say who I work for, but it is a silicon vendor and not embwise, so we do not produce and market cards or drivers anyway - a third party would have to do this based on our silicon/reference design. But yes, a company could sell a closed source module and provide it with the card.
Thanks,
Tim
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I don't get it. I read all this stuff! Very interesting, I have C860 Z.
Can someone explain to me in plain english within couple of lines:
What exactly do I have to do to get sdio working on my Zaurus?
-Where exactly do I buy this driver? Compatability (pdaxrom)?
Really interested, as I would then use sdio for wifi and cf for memory!
I bet this would clear a lot of things for many people!
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I have a SPECTEC miniSD wifi, but I cannot make it work with C3200, no drivers.
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When you plug it in... do a
dmesg
In your terminal... what are the last few lines toy recieve...
Do you get any light when plugged in?
Late
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When you plug it in... do a
dmesg
In your terminal... what are the last few lines toy recieve...
Do you get any light when plugged in?
Late
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Result:
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=07)
pxa_sd_wait_response: responce time out (cmd=52 MMC_STAT=0x2142)
pxa_sd_wait_response: responce CRC error (cmd=05 MMC_STAT=0x2160)
pxa_sd_wait_id_response: responce CRC error (cmd=05 MMC_STAT=0x2160)No SDIO drivers available for that card. The card doesn't have any light on it.
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Seriously, wouldn't it just be easier for us to develop our own Open Card standard?????
4 bit OZIO?
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wouldnt it be easier for manufacturers to implement the mmc 4.0 spec which is totallly open and has speed greater than SD 4bit with no DRM that no one to date is even using?
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But it has no IO. . .?