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Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on June 28, 2004, 11:49:34 am: We have posted an updated progress report - which tells you which features have been completed and which are planned.

We hope for your patience and maybe help by donating a little bit.

The progress report can be found at: http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=38&menuid=7 (http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=38&menuid=7)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ScottYelich on June 28, 2004, 01:36:24 pm: awesome!

will there be a native sdk?!

Scott
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on June 28, 2004, 03:55:10 pm: Nice, but I'd like to be able to install it without getting dead pixels, it's a major problem for me. It doesn't happen with OZ or Qtopia only pdaXrom.

The new pdaXrom looks very good, I'm glad the hwclock has been looked at. The C series is pretty impotent as a timekeeping device, but more so with pdaXrom 1.0.5.

Keep up the good work!

[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\'](I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...)[/span]
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: omin0us on June 28, 2004, 07:17:50 pm: Quote
Nice, but I'd like to be able to install it without getting dead pixels, it's a major problem for me. It doesn't happen with OZ or Qtopia only pdaXrom.

The new pdaXrom looks very good, I'm glad the hwclock has been looked at. The C series is pretty impotent as a timekeeping device, but more so with pdaXrom 1.0.5.

Keep up the good work!

[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\'](I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...)[/span]
aren't dead pixels a physical problem with the LCD screen? i always thought it was. maybe i am wrong.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on June 28, 2004, 07:30:32 pm: Quote
Quote
Nice, but I'd like to be able to install it without getting dead pixels, it's a major problem for me.Â It doesn't happen with OZ or Qtopia only pdaXrom.

The new pdaXrom looks very good, I'm glad the hwclock has been looked at.Â The C series is pretty impotent as a timekeeping device, but more so with pdaXrom 1.0.5.

Keep up the good work!

[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\'](I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...)[/span]
aren't dead pixels a physical problem with the LCD screen? i always thought it was. maybe i am wrong.
No, there has been another thread discussing this, and I am not the only one affected there seems to be some problem but it looks like dead pixels, they stay there all the time looking and acting like dead pixels, but.. upon flashing to a QT ROM they go, no sign of them from the console or GUI. If I put pdaXrom back, the dead pixels come back, but not always in the same place and they stay until the ROM comes off. These could be a hardware fault but I'm curious that it does not manifest itself under OZ or Qtopia, however I'm going off topic.

But I'll keep an eye on pdaXrom, it is good and I managed to compile my own calculator which was cool. These new features are all welcome

The way we got the audio remote control working depended on the main window of XMMS maintaining focus while in use, would this be affected by the new backlight control for music playback?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Caesium on June 29, 2004, 04:07:25 am: That progress report is looking very promising Laze

I see no mention of which kernel you're bundling with this release? Are you going to update it from 1.0.5 - which seems to have very little in the way of BT support? (2.4.18 with no -mh patches)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: b2bpro on July 01, 2004, 10:42:51 am: I'm a bit confused - you indicate a recent progress report, yet the rom version available for download is still 1.0.5

I downloaded 1.0.5 a while back. Has it been updated without a version number change?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on July 01, 2004, 01:11:14 pm: Quote
I'm a bit confused - you indicate a recent progress report, yet the rom version available for download is still 1.0.5

I downloaded 1.0.5 a while back. Has it been updated without a version number change?
just a typo

the thread is about the next pdaXrom
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: b2bpro on July 01, 2004, 02:15:12 pm: any idea when the next version is going to be ready (I've been meaning to try it out but the fates haven't been smiling my way lately)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on July 01, 2004, 02:27:42 pm: Dunno, I've been waving incense and chanting all day and still no sign of it

I've told myself I'll be able to grab it one month from now...
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: x273 on July 01, 2004, 02:50:27 pm: there will be more support to wi-fi cf in the next version?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on July 01, 2004, 03:15:41 pm: There will be some improved features and support for wirless and a brand new config util for coniguring the tools.

Unfortnaly we currently only have one wireless card for testing. So if you feel like donating hardware or money feel free - so we can try it and make support for it.

We are currently discussing on making a "bounty" or pay for what you wan't next/fixed. ;-)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: x273 on July 01, 2004, 03:54:50 pm: donated....yust now 30 dollars please add more support to wifi (i have a zonet zcf110 ...i will appreciate it)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on July 01, 2004, 04:12:42 pm: I too made a modest donation today, I urge everyone looking forward to future Cacko work to make a contribution if you havent got round to it yet, no matter how small.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: alan on July 01, 2004, 04:33:05 pm: will this rom use ashley's one partition script as promised ?

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Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Bebe on July 01, 2004, 07:36:45 pm: I hope they'll use Ashely's script, as well as enabling faster SD writting in the kernel.

Bebe
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: waalkman on July 01, 2004, 11:43:03 pm: Quote
Unfortnaly we currently only have one wireless card for testing. So if you feel like donating hardware or money feel free - so we can try it and make support for it.
All I saw was Paypal for making donations. And I don't do Paypal.

Do you have an address that I can send to? I've sent stuff to Poland & the U.K. without any problems, no reason why post won't work here.

John
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Caesium on July 02, 2004, 06:50:11 am: I made a donation of a couple of hundred dollars a few days ago, so can I get some decent Bluetooth support in the kernel please? Pretty please?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on July 02, 2004, 10:22:41 am: We have heard quite a deal of error reports WiFi and bluetooth related problems.

In order to deal with these we need a couple of these people to post their problems and contact info, so we can try to find the bugs. We are talking about have IRC sessions with each of the affected persons one by one - and see if we can figure out whats wrong.

So please post if you have problems with Wifi or bluetooth or PM me.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Caesium on July 02, 2004, 06:54:40 pm: Well from what I can make out, my major problem at the moment is the kernel in pdaXrom 1.0.5 simply doesn't have the required -mh patches to get any bluetooth to work.

I have 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix, I presume the same as everyone else?

I can get hciconfig to display my device, along with a MAC, and hcitool scan finds stuff; I can ping bluetooth things and pair, but rfcomm point blank refuses to work with errors such as "rfcomm0: no such device" and occasionally "rfcomm: can't open control channel" and suchlike.

My card (Socket Rev G) also refuses to do anything at all if I take it out and put it back in, or suspend, or even don't boot with it inserted. That I can live with for now, I'd rather get rfcomm working to some degree.

But as I say, I believe the rfcomm problem is simply due to the kernel lacking -mh patches. If that's not the case, I'm very happy to debug with someone on IRC.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: lardman on July 10, 2004, 11:29:17 am: *Bump*

I note that there are now only fixed bugs listed on the pdaXrom site.

Any update on when we'll be seeing the finished product?

Cheers,

Si
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on July 11, 2004, 04:48:39 am: We are working hard on fixing the last few bugs - but the total rewrite on many of the "built-in" apps are taking longer than expected. So please be patient and hopefully i can soon post an update again.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: padishah_emperor on July 11, 2004, 03:48:14 pm: Thanks for the info Laze, no pressure - we can wait.. (He says nervously biting his lip)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: roter_planet on July 13, 2004, 11:18:16 am: hallo

i read about the new features and fixed bugs in the next version.
i hope the xcirp and ppp-dialer apps will be working.
is it possible to connect the internet via mobile phone?
i missed kopi as default organizer app and what about the alarm function in kopi.
is it possible to get it work until next release?

thanx for your work

stephan
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: omin0us on July 13, 2004, 04:36:38 pm: Quote
i hope the xcirp and ppp-dialer apps will be working.
Are you having troubles with xircp in the current version. If so let me know, and i will try and fix them/help you figure out the problem. I almost have a new version of xircp that should be a bit better, as it will have a status bar now so that you will know if the file is transfering or not. but yeah, let me know if you are having problems with it.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: scoutme on July 26, 2004, 04:48:17 pm: ehm... and what about the stylus input? no handwriting recognition?

sigh..
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on July 26, 2004, 05:23:52 pm: Quote
ehm... and what about the stylus input? no handwriting recognition?

Affraid not - we are looking into http://www.handhelds.org/projects/xscribble.html (http://www.handhelds.org/projects/xscribble.html) - but "anyone" should be able to compile it and use it. We will probally come back with that later :-)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ViV on July 27, 2004, 04:44:28 am: Shall we have the possibility to change pointer device in new build of TinyX? USB mice are nice...
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: gromituk on July 27, 2004, 12:49:20 pm: You may know this already, but you won't be able to plug a USB mouse into the Z without first sacrificing the CF slot and some money to a USB master adaptor - the Z is a USB slave device, like a mouse
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ViV on July 27, 2004, 01:11:30 pm: I've an usb host card (it stands in my signature ), my usb mouse works with it well (I've tested it in gpm), but pdaxrom's tinyx build uses only /dev/ts as pointer device for now (it's hardcoded).
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Batnun on July 27, 2004, 01:41:17 pm: Keep up the good work !

Can we expect Kismet works "out of the box" ?

(I have AmbiCom WL1100C WiFi card)

Batnun
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ced on July 28, 2004, 03:52:04 am: ViV, and about creating a symbolink from /dev/ts to the appropriate device (or vis versa), can you do that? just a suggestion...
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: jdmoorman on July 29, 2004, 03:47:19 pm: What hardware/Zaurus models with the new release support?
Will the SL-6000 be supported?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on July 29, 2004, 03:48:55 pm: So far only the Clamshells will be supported..
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: amrein on July 29, 2004, 04:22:53 pm: Is that mainly because of application default windows size?
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: gromituk on July 30, 2004, 11:53:49 am: Quote
I've an usb host card (it stands in my signature )
Oh sorry ViV, should have noticed, but these signature things tend to fly past!

Looks like the chances of getting one in the UK without spending an arm and a leg are pretty small.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: lardman on August 02, 2004, 06:05:11 am: How are we doing? (sorry for the repetitious nature of my questions ;-))

Si
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ScottYelich on August 02, 2004, 09:42:36 am: it's monday morning... things are pretty much ok...
went to a a dr site for work, so it's a little more commute, but not too bad
once in a while.

how 'bout you?

Scott
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: lardman on August 02, 2004, 10:20:36 am: lol

Not bad, got a report to finish (I was supposed to be on holiday from today so I could write up my PhD) but other than that not too bad. Shame about the weather, but at least the weekend was good.

I was actually thinking about the current status of the new pdaXrom, but this chat has also been good ;-)

Si
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 02, 2004, 02:33:35 pm: I have to inform you that our main programmer(Sash - Alexander Chukov) is out on private "business" until further notice and i can't get a hold of him - so I don't know when he will be back.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: jerrybme on August 02, 2004, 10:37:00 pm: Quote
I have to inform you that our main programmer(Sash - Alexander Chukov) is out on private "business" until further notice and i can't get a hold of him - so I don't know when he will be back.
Sorry to hear that. I was really looking forward to the next release. I hope Sash is OK.

Any chance of releasing the interim build while we wait for his return?

Cheers,
Jerry
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 03, 2004, 04:24:07 am: Yes, please release a developer version! If half of the bugs are solved in it it is perfect, until the the release. I really don't like the clock-bug for example. And we can also help testing!

Hope Sash will be back soon!
Zumi
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: ScottYelich on August 03, 2004, 09:17:03 am: I concur.

Lets not hold this in limbo... put out 1.0.5.2 or whatever... lets let some others
dev some code.

Scott
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Reaper on August 03, 2004, 09:32:53 am: Yes, I also think it's about time for some serious beta-testing. If new pdaX in its present condition doesn't brick our Z's right "out of the box" , I'll flash it for sure and report all the bugs I'll run into.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 03, 2004, 12:44:57 pm: Happy to inform you that Sash i alive and kicking - and already fixing bugs - we expect (this time for sure) to release a prerelease/RC1 whatever within a week - this release will be available to all the registered IPK submitters to the unstable feed. So please hang - we have unfortantly found a couple of serious bugs and we are currently fixing this. So please be patient :-)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: jerrybme on August 03, 2004, 01:16:26 pm: Quote
Happy to inform you that Sash i alive and kicking - and already fixing bugs
Glad to hear it!
Now the question is do I learn how to compile a application so I can get my hands on the RC1? Sometimes it blows being a super-user and not a programmer!

Cheers,
Jerry
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 03, 2004, 02:02:18 pm: Why do you make the developing modell so closed? I haven't submitted an ipk to the unstable feed, but I could use and test the new dev. version.
Please release it free to everyone (or I have to submit my crappy crosscompiled xkbd ipk to the unstable feed, and that's good for no one. )

Zumi
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: jabbath on August 03, 2004, 02:25:48 pm: Zumi: You've to come up with something new xkbd is already compiled ..

Nevertheless, I also think, the pdaXrom should not be that "closed".
I think it would improve _much_ faster, if it would be a more "community" project.
It's not easy to define a "community" project , but I think of GNOME and KDE.

pdaXrom should have a CVS server, with the latest development versions, _everybody_ should be able to download the CVS version (the ones, not daring to compile on their own don't have to).
The whole project should be more developed by the community (i know, it's easy to say, but hard to realize, because a big part of the community isn't able _or/and_ doesn't want to develop).

The bugfixing shouldn't exclusively be done by the pdaXrom developers. Everybody should be able to _easily_ commit bugfixes.

just thoughts
jabbath
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 03, 2004, 05:06:15 pm: I agree - and we might also set that up as soon we get a new server and stuff for hosting/developing - but right now we are just trying to build a stable "foundation" for the end users. Yes its Linux and we do share the source - but at the moment we don't want to spend all the developer time on helping others develop. We would prefer to have the source good and documented and have good compiling instructions available.

So please have patience and consider the pdaXrom as a work in progress and your are very welcome to try and help - but in order for us to make real progress we don't have to much time to help people compile and stuff. Actually at the moment we run the project like this:

Laze (that's me) keeps track of all the bug reports/problems/forum posts etc. - test them, look into them and do most of the external "contact" with the end users - and i then pass the problems onto the developers. I also programmed many of the new and upcomming prefs/settings tools. All together we decide what the gui should look like and what's needed to make it a killer ROM - of course with input from you the guys..
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 03, 2004, 06:13:32 pm: OK, but I promise I don't cry if something doesn't work with the dev. version ROM.
Pleeeease gimme!

Zumi
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 08, 2004, 03:54:57 pm: I want the new version. I'm eager to use it!
I check the site and the forum 5 times a day, but everything is quiet, too quiet.

I need some updated progress report, or (I prefer this) a release.

Zumi, the impatient
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 08, 2004, 06:21:47 pm: Drumroll - we expect to have a RC1 of the 1.1.0 version out tomorrow (monday evening CET) to all the developers - when they have tested it we will begin the final process of making it ready for end users.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: philo on August 09, 2004, 12:44:05 pm: w00t!

i can't wait to try the new version.

philo
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: omin0us on August 09, 2004, 12:44:49 pm: we will have RC1 for you guys tonight. I think you will all like it, as there are _many_ bugfixes.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: jabbath on August 09, 2004, 06:01:51 pm: It's now 0.00 CET and no RC is out

jabbath
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 09, 2004, 07:36:42 pm: Quote
It's now 0.00 CET and no RC is out

jabbath
I was a really-really impatient guy and searched for it 'till I found it.

[but I don't tell where it was..., sorry ]

Nomen est omen ('the name says it all'), the stuff really sucks on my SL-C700, it locks up at some commands on console and locks up everytime I try to start anything in X.
Tried to add some swap file but it locks up when I want to create it.
I hope this is not the release candidate...

EDIT: I edited the post to save your souls from downloading it and to save the dev. pdaxrom server from crashing.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 10, 2004, 04:40:08 am: First accept my applogies for not releasing the RC1 monday - but we ran into unseen problems (again) :-) But we expect to have something ready today.

Zumi... GREAT!!! Nice one.. Thanks alot - there is a reason why there was no release monday. The file should not be downloaded.. Please don't and the host isn't meant to be used at the moment. Please don't..

We will release the RC1 today and Zumi won't be getting any ;-) (okay maybe)

Btw. We have updated the progress report - read more on http://www.pdaxrom.org (http://www.pdaxrom.org)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 10, 2004, 04:50:45 am: I think my post was a warning to everyone. And for me: I was happy that I saw the new design and was able to play with it a bit.
So, I hope it wasn't a problem for you. (And hey, you don't have to worry about the "image" of the project, we know you're working great; just feed us with news and releases and we will be happy )

Zumi
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: gromituk on August 10, 2004, 06:27:34 am: Quote
Btw. We have updated the progress report - read more on http://www.pdaxrom.org (http://www.pdaxrom.org)
All I can say is - [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']drool![/span]
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 10, 2004, 04:37:28 pm: We have been working all night now are we are still having some problems/bugs - so we are sad to announce yet another delay before release. But more and more bugs are being fixed and new features are added very rapidly.

Once again we are sorry for this delay but we don't wan't to release something that makes to many problems for users (better destroy our own Zauriis instead of yours :-)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 10, 2004, 05:02:31 pm: Well, than I stop hitting the reload button in short regular intervals (I do this since morning).

Sigh, I think I'm addicted.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 11, 2004, 03:32:13 pm: Standing by.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 11, 2004, 03:36:28 pm: Our main programmer is working on a GRPS line right now so our contact is a bit flaky.. We will keep you posted.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 11, 2004, 03:44:43 pm: Can I expect a release today? (I'm up 'till 3AM, CET )

Zumi, waiting
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Zumi on August 11, 2004, 08:38:19 pm: Well, no release today again. Say it will be done in 4 weeks, or something, but don't say tomorrow if it's not sure. I really want it and it's a bad feeling to be disappointed every night I go to sleep.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Laze on August 12, 2004, 01:33:48 am: Zumi - im very sorry but when we are expecting a release and everything is running just fine and we are just about ready to release. Then "POOFFF" our main programmer (Sash) and builder goes offline and then we can't get in touch with him, its hard to release anything then :-( One of the joys of living in Russian is there is very well established high bandwidth access everywhere - NOT!!

So maybe just go outside and have a coke and a smile - and stop hitting Refresh when you instead could be clicking banners (remeber to click different banners by going to different parts off the site ). Banner clicks => money => money to bribe ISP in Russia => ISP will get Sash online => Sash will be able to upload and developer faster and eaiser :-)
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: XorA on August 12, 2004, 04:50:23 am: That is a real pity.

Have you guys considered joining with the open embedded guys at all? It seems they have the hosting and build system you guys seem to need to open the project up. And Im sure they could do with your expertise.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: Mickeyl on August 12, 2004, 08:17:19 am: The OpenEmbedded project would be glad to have the pdaXrom using our build system and contributing to the metadata.

I might add that it would by no means mean that they would need to give up parts of their distribution. OpenEmbedded is a distribution independent build tool and metadata. Everyone can add what he need to build his distribution and we have a lot of synergie effects by working together.

See http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/SuccessStories (http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/SuccessStories) - and this is just the beginning!

P.S. The recent SL6000 support was added by me _blindly_, i.e. without even having the machine. This demonstrates how easy new machine specifics can be added to OE.
Title: pdaXrom 1.0.5 progress report
Post by: rgrep on August 21, 2004, 06:08:53 am: Quote
Quote
ehm... and what about the stylus input? no handwriting recognition?

Affraid not - we are looking into http://www.handhelds.org/projects/xscribble.html (http://www.handhelds.org/projects/xscribble.html) - but "anyone" should be able to compile it and use it. We will probally come back with that later :-)
What about xstroke? It works perfectly on pdaXrom 1.1.0 RC2. See this post for the link to the xstroke ipk:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...indpost&p=34225 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4990&view=findpost&p=34225)

From the screenshots I have seen of xscribble it's no where near as nice xstroke but maybe it has some more features and a better interface since they were taken?