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All,
I am back to using my c860 after a 6 month break and would really like to continue using it. Does anyone know the real status of the TKC ROM. I read that proto has been gone for the last 6 months also. Is he going to work on the ROM anymore? Is his live feed site for updates going to come back online?
Has any other ROM superceded the TKC ROM for the c860? What ROM are most people using on their cx60?
Thank you.
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Take a look at PDAXROM.ORG
SEEMS VERY POPULAR.
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Thanks for the quick response. How does this ROM compare to the last TKC ROM? How is the performace. The last (approx. 6 moths ago) I heard was that the X11 based ROM was slow performing and sluggish. Is this still the case?
Thank you.
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The tkcROM seems to be no longer developed, I asked a few times what happened to Proto but I'm still not sure.
pdaXrom is an option, but is X only, not Qtopia compatible so it may not be helpful. You can't really compare pdaXrom against a Qtopia ROM since they are very different and work very differently.
You will find Cacko's QT ROM is very popular (by the same people who do pdaXrom), is 100% English and has some very nice features, especially if you apply the latest 'hotfix', you'll find it here on ZUG if you do a search.
Hope this helps
-F
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Yes, that helps a lot. do you know where I can find a comparison of the Cacko's QT ROM and the X ROM. What would the advantages or disadvantages be between the two. Also, what does the hotfix add? Thank you.
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I sent theKompany and email regarding the tkcROM and Proto, this is the part of the reply from them:
the ROM was developed by Proto, we simply promoted it and some months ago
Proto seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth, his web site,
email and cell phone, so it's pretty much stuck at the moment.
Regards,
Shawn Gordon
President
theKompany.com
www.thekompany.com
949-713-3276
For your information and contemplation I'm saying nothing.
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As for the status of the tkcROM, I've posted a notice on that:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=5919 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5919)
As for the the Cacko ROMs..
Like I said, I'm not sure if you can compare the two, they are very different. You could say that Qtopia ROMs are more geared to using the Zaurus as a PDA with PIM tools, syncing and wot not. pdaXrom is more like a desktop Linux and uses standard apps designed for the desktop - but is naturally slower, some PIM stuff, no syncing and makes the Z like a tiny laptop. If you need a "PDA" then stick to Qtopia based ROMs, if you want to use it as a tiny laptop, go for pdaXrom, but you will probably need more Linux knowledge for pdaXrom than you would for the Qtopia ROMs.
I assume you've been using Qtopia with the standard ROM or tkcROM, the Cacko QT ROM is the same thing, however, unlike tkcROM it IS being actively developed. The hotfixes correct any bugs discovered, but the last one Hotfix B also adds a really nice swapfile manager which allows you to add more memory when needed, the look and feel is probably not as pretty as the tkcROM, but that may change with the next release, who knows ;-)
I hope this is of more help, feel free to keep asking though ;-)
-F
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Thank you very much. You have done an excellent job summerizing. I will use the Cacko QT ROM since I need sync support. How is the Bluetooth support on that if you know? I have a Rev. F socket bluetooth card.
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Thank you very much. You have done an excellent job summerizing. I will use the Cacko QT ROM since I need sync support. How is the Bluetooth support on that if you know? I have a Rev. F socket bluetooth card.
Thanks! (blush)
Not too sure there I'm afraid, I guess it would work as I've seen mentions of it in the Cacko QT ROM threads, but I've never used Bluetooth devices. I have a morbid fear of devices discreetly communicating without wires ;-) LOL!
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I assume you've been using Qtopia with the standard ROM or tkcROM, the Cacko QT ROM is the same thing, however, unlike tkcROM it IS being actively developed. The hotfixes correct any bugs discovered, but the last one Hotfix B also adds a really nice swapfile manager which allows you to add more memory when needed, the look and feel is probably not as pretty as the tkcROM, but that may change with the next release, who knows ;-)
Yes, it will, but I have no idea yet what it will look like. We need to find a set of nice and distinqushable icons under GPL. But anyhow we do have plans to make ROM look nice and there are some people in this forum helping us.
Thank you very much. You have done an excellent job summerizing. I will use the Cacko QT ROM since I need sync support. How is the Bluetooth support on that if you know? I have a Rev. F socket bluetooth card.
Works OTB.
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And this in the tkc Mailing List:
From: Shawn Gordon <shawn@thekompany.com>
To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Reply-To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:23:12 -0700
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0At 07:12 PM 7/27/2004, you wrote:
>Unless Shawn can step in a say otherwise, it is only bad. Development
>appears to be dead.
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>Michael Stevenson (aka Proto), the developer's web site disappeared several
>months ago, and Sharp appears to have abandoned devnet.
yep, he pretty much disappeared off the face of the earth with our hardware
and this: (Buyer BEWARE of tck Applications!)
From: Shawn Gordon <shawn@thekompany.com>
To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Reply-To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:19:51 -0700
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0
If you use Cacko's rom, we cannot support our apps on it and Cacko has been
breaking compatibility - just a caution.
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As for the status of the tkcROM, I've posted a notice on that:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=5919 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5919)
As for the the Cacko ROMs..
Like I said, I'm not sure if you can compare the two, they are very different. You could say that Qtopia ROMs are more geared to using the Zaurus as a PDA with PIM tools, syncing and wot not. pdaXrom is more like a desktop Linux and uses standard apps designed for the desktop - but is naturally slower, some PIM stuff, no syncing and makes the Z like a tiny laptop. If you need a "PDA" then stick to Qtopia based ROMs, if you want to use it as a tiny laptop, go for pdaXrom, but you will probably need more Linux knowledge for pdaXrom than you would for the Qtopia ROMs.
I assume you've been using Qtopia with the standard ROM or tkcROM, the Cacko QT ROM is the same thing, however, unlike tkcROM it IS being actively developed. The hotfixes correct any bugs discovered, but the last one Hotfix B also adds a really nice swapfile manager which allows you to add more memory when needed, the look and feel is probably not as pretty as the tkcROM, but that may change with the next release, who knows ;-)
I hope this is of more help, feel free to keep asking though ;-)
-F
I've merged the two threads... doesn't make sense to have two threads on the same subject
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From: Shawn Gordon <shawn@thekompany.com>
To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Reply-To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:19:51 -0700
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0
If you use Cacko's rom, we cannot support our apps on it and Cacko has been
breaking compatibility - just a caution.
This is no more than an excuse for not supporting their users.
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I am actually glad I have never bought any TKC apps as I sensed this was going to happen to them.
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From: Shawn Gordon <shawn@thekompany.com>
To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Reply-To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:19:51 -0700
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0
If you use Cacko's rom, we cannot support our apps on it and Cacko has been
breaking compatibility - just a caution.
This is no more than an excuse for not supporting their users.
And it's an excuse for not correcting the bugs in their programs - blame the user for "corrupting their ROM"
And if you complain about it on the mail-list - you get kicked off
Stu
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I gathered they were a bunch of tosspots (can I say that? If not I'll edit it ) when I was told to rebuy all my tkc apps when moving from a 5500 to 860 - they seem to not care very much at all about their customers, in the past I'd emailed them and received the kind of replies you should not get from a professional company. Subtle rudeness. I think a lot of us have "walked with our feet" and given them the Royal Birdie by what I've read here before from other users.
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Or you can help raise Five fricking grand to be told that you have 'hacked' your Zaurus by installing anything other than tkc Programs and get a wonderful lack of support........
Subject: Re: [Tkc] tkcRom?
From: Shawn Gordon <shawn@thekompany.com>
To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Reply-To: tkc@mail.thekompany.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:29:01 -0700
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0
If you honestly want to see continued development and an update, then we would need to have $5,000 raised to finance the development and support of it. We would be more than happy to
then pick it up and give it a priority.
And we wonder why proto disappeared?????????????
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Well, my earlier sentiments still stand.
I don't know much about US companies but it's odd that the "President" of a company answers every email, usually with his foot in his mouth.
I wonder if it's just a front for some programmers?
The more I read and hear, the more I am convinced that theKompany really does not deserve the patronage of it's customers. This is just my opinion of course, but a company like that deserves to fold.
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I totally agree. TKC is not a 'big' company at all as it may have appeared in the past. It is a set of programmers as you have stated trying to conduct commerce and rip people off.
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I totally agree. TKC is not a 'big' company at all as it may have appeared in the past. It is a set of programmers as you have stated trying to conduct commerce and rip people off.
So what's wrong with a group of programmers getting together to start a business? If you are happier with the products of large corporations, there is one in Redmond, Washington that you might want to check out.
I've never used a TKC product so I can't comment on them, but I did have a question once and Shawn answered me right away. I think that getting a response from the boss of the company is great, better than dealing with some underling who has no idea what is going on.
I would like to see TKC develop their ROM further. I know a lot of people like the current version so it obviously has a lot of potential. Someone in their group of programmers should have picked up development when this Proto guy pegged it out of there.
Having an up to date ROM would certainly enhance the popularity of the TKC apps as well. If they only support them on Sharp or TKC ROMs it's a very limited market they have left to sell to.
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I agree with you dh, there is nothing wrong with a group of programmers coming together behind the facade of a company to sell their programs, tkcVideo and tkcPlayer were very good on the 5500. But unless you've had a negative experience like we've had with them, you won't know what we mean (if you know what I mean ). But when the 'president' of the company writes with his foot in his mouth over and over, you can't help wondering if something is afoot and it's a big turnoff when thinking about buying more. Anyway, wanting five thousand spondoolies to support their own stuff is reprehensible, as is demanding re-purchases to use the apps you've already bought on a new machine. Not too dissimilar to the practices and ethics of that Redmond based company you mentioned. I think it's a shame as the Z needs companies like them, but also needs support and some ethics beyond mere money grabbing.
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that was me there was a pun in there too!
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I'm with you on this point heretic (padishah) - I wrote this little thing (http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=66&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) last August, because I was ticked about Shawn's obvious lack of customer service on the issue. There were quite a few heated posts on the devnet about this too.
I'm just resolved with never purchasing or supporting tkc again.
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Well, we finally agree on something then
I too am resolved to never buy from them... buttmunches.
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I'm just resolved with never purchasing or supporting tkc again.
Unless TKC supports their apps on Cacko or the other ROMs, I probably will not buy anything from them either.
I would have thought it was in Shawn's interest to look after his customers (it's a really close community afterall) and support the active ROMs.
Maybe his business has just moved on from the Zaurus and it's not part of his business plan anymore?
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BTW - I'm not sure of the semantics but according to Proto the TKC rom is his and not that of the Kompany, therefore I don't think they could have 'picked' up where he left off. He did get somethings from them such as the look and feel UI and graphics stuff but the development was solely his with some help from contributors. According to Proto, he did not re-invent the wheel, and used work that was already developed. I remembered a big dispute with him and Sash sometime back about the build script. Nevertheless, I would like to see him continue the work on the ROM, but with the flaming he has endured at times, I'm not sure he has a bruning desire anymore.
Proto - Where r u man?
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he's waiting for the next cacko release?!
cha-ching!
ouch.
er, sorry.
SCott
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Last we heard from Proto, he had a "Real Job". I also suspect he realized what a scam theKompany really is and just gave up.
As far as theKompany picking up the ROM to finish, give me a friggin' break! I bought Mail, Address, Calendat, ToDo, and three more that have never had the features they advertised, and they weaseled out of real support issues over and over. They claimed IMAP for Mail was "coming soon", and it took them 2 years, and it is still broken, though they deny it!
They are incompetent to produce anything but simple game programs.
A ROM?????? WTF are you smoking?
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They are incompetent to produce anything but simple game programs.
A ROM?????? WTF are you smoking?
I kneel in homage to thee
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he's waiting for the next cacko release?!
cha-ching!
ouch.
er, sorry.
SCott
Yep, he's running pdaXrom