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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Sharp ROMs => Topic started by: Chaos on August 14, 2004, 11:01:34 pm
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Well, I've gone and finally gotten my ROM for the SL-5600 finished, and what a nice one it is. Based on the Sharp ROM (1.32), with improvements. It's got many of the features people seem to like about Zynergy, but without the GUI package installer crash.
The zImage is basically the stock Sharp one, with one minor difference, the cache bug workaround is disabled, increasing speed, and MAYBE decreasing stability. I say maybe because I don't have any issues with stability on it.
Also, an IPK feed (very limited selection currently - just the stuff I wanted) is available, although one IPK causes an error - not sure quite which one, but this error doesn't really cause any problems. All the programs work fine. Any suggestions of IPKs to add are welcome. Of course I'll repackage them for this ROM. I plan to add the removed Games soon, just haven't had the time yet. And if you know which IPK causes the problem (I'm too lazy to test them all ), tell me, and I'll try to fix it.
Find it at http://www.duelmonsters.ca/zaurus/ (http://www.duelmonsters.ca/zaurus/)
And what is a Watapon? It's that fuzzy puffball of an avatar I have. It's a creature from a TCG I play.
Feel free to suggest things, comment, whatever.
EDIT: If you're wondering where 1.0 went (it's ver 1.1 thats available for download), 1.0 was the one I originally planned to put up, and named it such, but I ran into a few issues that had to be fixed. So I renumbered it for the final release.
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Bugfix for the Memory applet icons not appearing... Will be incorperated into next ROM release.
Go into the Terminal (Utilities -> Terminal) and type the following commands...
cd /home/QtPalmtop/pics/
mkdir memory
cd memory/
ln -s /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/pics/memory/info.png
ln -s /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/pics/memory/memorytabicon.png
ln -s /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/pics/memory/storagetabicon.png
Then go to the Shutdown app (Utilities -> Shutdown) and hit Restart Qtopia. The icons on the memory applet will appear.
Also as a side note, for the next release, does anyone know the maximum size of the initrd.bin for a 5600, so I know how much space I have to add programs into the RO space?
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can you post some screen shots?
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can you post some screen shots?
Ah, sure I'll do that sometime tomorrow. Probably once I've gotten more work done towards the next version (which will add some more stuff). It's not like the screenshots are going to be spectacular... It's not like an amazing ROM, it's pretty well standard. Nothing real exciting.
Anyways, I'd better get some sleep if I plan to be up at a decent hour today.
Edit; And never mind about the initrd.bin sizing. I forgot about just using df to see how much space was left on /... Turns out I had room for basically one more app, which I chose to be QT/Opie Reader.
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awesome...
I'll try this on my 5600 -- as OZ/OE appears to be still brewing.
08:52:01 (4.42 MB/s) - `watapon_SL5600_1.1.tar.gz' saved [22085535/22085535]
ROFL!
mirrored! :-) http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/ (http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/)
Scott
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awesome...
I'll try this on my 5600 -- as OZ/OE appears to be still brewing.
08:52:01 (4.42 MB/s) - `watapon_SL5600_1.1.tar.gz' saved [22085535/22085535]
ROFL!
mirrored! :-) http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/ (http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/)
Scott
Thanks! Appears my site is down currently (first time in over a month...), so having a mirror is nice!
And just so you know, the next version of the ROM should be even nicer than this one. Like that little memory applet bug with the symlinks squashed, and built in QT/Opie Reader (and if you don't have a use for it, look at: http://www.manybooks.net/ (http://www.manybooks.net/) ). Also will be a minor hack to the sysinfo program to grab the version number from a file, rather than just the default 0.0.
And hopefully a larger IPK feed without that bug in the one (I'll test all the IPKs to figure out which one it is - and then fix the little bug).
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Updated the ROM to 1.2, with some fairly minor changes to the userland stuff, like a small hack to the sysinfo program, and the addition of QT/Opie Reader. Behind the scenes, I got myself some more space to play with by getting it to untar AND un gzip the .*_default files, giving me another 600 KB of free space on the RO part of the ROM. Also set the Address Book to show all available fields by default, and set the Citytime to have 5 default timezones, the ones I use, one Canadian city per Canadian time zone. Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Halifax, St. John's. Of course the Address Book and Citytime options are changeable, I just set the defaults differently.
Also... if anyone has any bright ideas of what can fit into 600 KB with ease, let me know. (Maybe libopie1? The sysinfo program is actually the OPIE/Qtopia applications for 3.10 ROM ports that can be found on http://community.zaurus.com/ (http://community.zaurus.com/), FYI.)
The IPK feed is unchanged as of current, but I'll work on that tomorrow.
Also the small website is changed a bit, making it a bit less ugly, and better by using relative links to everything instead of direct links.
Also, as ced requested, SCREENSHOTS! Find them here: http://www.duelmonsters.ca/zaurus/screenshots/ (http://www.duelmonsters.ca/zaurus/screenshots/) They're not much, but they do give a good impression of the ROM and what's in it. They were taken on a 100% fresh install of 1.2, no IPKs, and only the firstboot setup run. No other changes (hey, this ROM is so close to the way I want it that I don't NEED to make changes ).
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Hmmm.... tried to download 1.2 from the home page and got a 'permission denied' error.
I installed 1.1 and everything worked great for 12 hours or so, but then my WCF12 card stopped working and I have been diddling all day trying to figure out what happened.
This card had previously worked for months under the tkcROM, so I am a little puzzled.
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Hmmm.... tried to download 1.2 from the home page and got a 'permission denied' error.
I installed 1.1 and everything worked great for 12 hours or so, but then my WCF12 card stopped working and I have been diddling all day trying to figure out what happened.
This card had previously worked for months under the tkcROM, so I am a little puzzled.
Permission denied, eh... I'll fix that. Re-uploading 1.2 now. I'll make sure the permissions are set right after it finishes. Give it about 8 minutes from now and try again. (Uploaded and permissions set right as of now. Give it another shot at downloading.)
I don't have a clue about the WCF12. What do you mean by "Stopped working". Details and I might be able to help, as I have a WCF12 myself, and it's always worked (except under certain versions of OZ).
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awesome...
I'll try this on my 5600 -- as OZ/OE appears to be still brewing.
08:52:01 (4.42 MB/s) - `watapon_SL5600_1.1.tar.gz' saved [22085535/22085535]
ROFL!
mirrored! :-) http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/ (http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/)
Scott
Thanks! Appears my site is down currently (first time in over a month...), so having a mirror is nice!
And just so you know, the next version of the ROM should be even nicer than this one. Like that little memory applet bug with the symlinks squashed, and built in QT/Opie Reader (and if you don't have a use for it, look at: http://www.manybooks.net/ (http://www.manybooks.net/) ). Also will be a minor hack to the sysinfo program to grab the version number from a file, rather than just the default 0.0.
And hopefully a larger IPK feed without that bug in the one (I'll test all the IPKs to figure out which one it is - and then fix the little bug).
well, it's not an automatic mirror... I just grab some files as I come across them.
As I have a 5600, I grabbed this.
ok, grabbed 1.2
22:27:35 (5.18 MB/s) - `watapon_SL5600_1.2.tar.gz.2' saved [22218400/22218400]
5MB/sec :-)
Scott
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well, it's not an automatic mirror... I just grab some files as I come across them.
As I have a 5600, I grabbed this.
ok, grabbed 1.2
22:27:35 (5.18 MB/s) - `watapon_SL5600_1.2.tar.gz.2' saved [22218400/22218400]
5MB/sec :-)
Whoo! I never realized the server my site is on was THAT fast. I guess it's my net connection that give me slow speeds, not the server.
And thanks for the mirror again.
Edit: I figured out which IPK was giving the trouble and why. When I upload the feed again (with more apps!) it'll be corrected. It was qpenmapfe, with a data.tar.gz sitting in the root, trying to be installed, but since / is readonly, it spat out an error.
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the icons are pretty ugly... you should try the crystal (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal.html) GT/SVG icons set... :-)
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Ooh! Yay, nicer looking icons. The ones I have are nicer than the Sharp defualt ones.
The Crystal ones are even nicer! Yay. *runs off to set up new icons for the next release*
Edit; I'm looking over the icons and some truely nice ideas are coming over me... Like basically replacing every icon I possibly can with a nicer one. Of course that's for next version of the ROM, which will be a while, since this one has no bugs, that I know of, and the next one would be feature release.
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you "should" try to port/integrate the cacko ROM to the SL-5600. It's better to have a good ROM instead of different flavour floating around. just talk to 'maslovsky'...
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The weird thing about my WCF12 card is that it seemed to work after I rebooted with the new Watapon ROM, but when I woke up the next day (I was doing this at 4am after all) the Zaurus always claimed that the network card was "busy".
I can't see why that is, though when I insert the card the activity/status light comes on immediately (which it never did before, I always had to have an active net connection for it to be on).
Also, the CF icon shows on the sub-status/menu bar (what is that thing called down at the bottom?). I don't remember seeing it there when I first booted up. I thought perhaps it was thinking the wireless card was a disk drive or something.
I am going to grab 1.2 and see if reinstalling makes any difference. It is odd that I haven't had any issues with either the Sharp ROM or the TkcROM. I have been debating reinstalling TkcROM, but I've been kind of busy.
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But I'd have to second the vote for getting the Cacko ROM ported...
Any ideas what's involved in doing a port like this? I happen to have had an abrupt change in career status, so I have quite a bit of time at the moment (now that the dust has cleared at least).
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Have you done a full reboot since this happened with the WCF12? As in Utilities -> Shutdown and then hit Restart. That may fix the problem.
And on the Cacko, personally I think I'd prefer to just keep working on my own, for a couple reasons. One, I have all the power over what is done on it, rather than something someone else made... Second, it'd probably work best for one with both a C series and a 5600, considering it would probably not work well, blindly trying to make it work not know how it's supposed to work in the first place...
Of course if someone else wanted to do that I wouldn't try to stop you. This ROM is just a small personal project for me, really...
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Just wanted to say thanks for producing a tastefully-done ROM for the 5600. The faster kernel, root user, omitted games, included opie-reader and advanced file manager, are perfect compromises for my needs. Hopefully others are benefitting as much as myself. I appreciate the effort and the contribution.
Thanks!!
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Just wanted to say thanks for producing a tastefully-done ROM for the 5600. The faster kernel, root user, omitted games, included opie-reader and advanced file manager, are perfect compromises for my needs. Hopefully others are benefitting as much as myself. I appreciate the effort and the contribution.
Thanks!!
Thanks for the compliments. I really appreciate this sort of feedback.
Next week I'll work on that IPK feed. More apps, and probably repackage the removed games into IPKs so you can install just the ones you want. Any suggestions of useful IPKs to put into the feed are greatly welcome.
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And on the Cacko, personally I think I'd prefer to just keep working on my own, for a couple reasons. One, I have all the power over what is done on it, rather than something someone else made... Second, it'd probably work best for one with both a C series and a 5600, considering it would probably not work well, blindly trying to make it work not know how it's supposed to work in the first place...
Yes, it's totaly up to you - but I'd suggest to just take a peek on the Cacko ROM change log, between 1.165 and 1.21. If you like reinventing the wheel, then you're on the right track... Good luck
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Some random suggestions.
findutils - so that find is more equivalent to what you get on the desktop.
vim - better vi editor.
gwCalc - or some other improved calculator.
vnc - with auto-started fbvncserver to make using the zaurus in a desktop window easy.
ssh/openssl
Default to TCP/IP over usb. Allows vnc, ssh, etc. to function "out of the box".
A database or better address book.
A simple scripting tool. Python would be my preference.
Another dream of mine is a webserver, e.g. Apache that provides useful access to information stored on the PDA. E.g. you could point a desktop web browser to http://192.168.129.201/pim/ (http://192.168.129.201/pim/) and see the calendar, addresses, to-do's, etc. without synchronizing. It would be even better if you could edit through the web interface. Of course if I wasn't so lazy I'd work on this myself.
Hope this helps. Thanks again.
Cheers,
Steve
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(hey, this ROM is so close to the way I want it that I don't NEED to make changes ).
Have you tought of leting others to do the same? Isn't it posible to strip all exept necery setings tools, make all space enhacing triks and add freed space to internal flash.
For those 600kb you could ugrade Opera to 7.30. I don`t like the Sharp pims and use kpims. I'm not sure if this will free some space in the rom but surely will free some ram. There is a new version of clock and calculator wich will free some more ram.
BTW what kernel do you use?
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Thanks for the great ROM!!
I'm definitly starting to realize why I got a zaurus in the first place, and your ROM is great. My 5600 is a dream now.
I would like to request/suggest that you somehow manage to make it sync with linux like a good linux machine should, as I can't seem to figure it out. I'm pretty sure it's because it's based on the Sharp ROM. Is it possible to copy the files and imitate the way the 5500s used to sync on this ROM?
Again, thanks for the great ROM and keep up the good work!
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I'm having a problem with my SMC 2642W WiFi card. When I try to connect, I never get past the Initializing stage. It shows up in the menubar when inserted, and the link light blinks as it's trying to connect, but it eventually fails. The card works fine with the standard Sharp ROM. Any ideas?
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Just to followup on my problems with my WCF12... after flashing to the 1.2 Watapon ROM, everything worked great.
Also, I'd like to echo others support, this ROM is great!
I would like to get the new Opera though (hint hint).
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I would like to get the new Opera though (hint hint).
Ok, well I've been thinking about the next release. The Crystal icons will be in it.
Opera 7.3? I might, but I've heard bad things about speed on the Zaurus compared to 6.0... If anyone can give me some insight on the speed considerations, I'll definatly think hard about it.
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findutils - so that find is more equivalent to what you get on the desktop.
vim - better vi editor.
gwCalc - or some other improved calculator.
vnc - with auto-started fbvncserver to make using the zaurus in a desktop window easy.
ssh/openssl
Default to TCP/IP over usb. Allows vnc, ssh, etc. to function "out of the box".
A database or better address book.
A simple scripting tool. Python would be my preference.
Another dream of mine is a webserver, e.g. Apache that provides useful access to information stored on the PDA. E.g. you could point a desktop web browser to http://192.168.129.201/pim/ (http://192.168.129.201/pim/) and see the calendar, addresses, to-do's, etc. without synchronizing. It would be even better if you could edit through the web interface. Of course if I wasn't so lazy I'd work on this myself.
Not bad suggestions, and I'll play around with some of them (for example vim shouldn't be too hard to swap in over vi [swapping it in because of space considerations]), but SSH, VNC, etc. would be hard to include because of the lack of space left over. But I will pack that sort of thing into IPKs. I'll include a better calculator in 1.3 (which should be out in the next few days -- the last major release for a long while, since I've got school starting soon).
A better Address Book would be difficult, especially if you wanted it integrated with everything else, since the Email program gets the names/etc. from the DTM database, nowhere else. If Ko/Pi gets a mail application and becomes more stable and mature I'd highly consider making the Sharp PIMs and the Ko/Pi both optional in IPKs.
I'll see about defaulting to TCP/IP over USB. Probably just a config file change somewhere simple.
Python or something on the Zaurus might be a bit hard. If anyone has any IPKs anywhere of Python or PERL or something for the Zaurus I'd be more than willing to repack them and throw them into the IPK feed.
And the websever serving up the PIM stuff would be an incredibly in-depth project, beyond both my current abilities and time constraints. It would be incredibly cool though. If anyone ever does create such a thing, again, I'd be willing to include it (again, probably as an IPK).
And as a final note, I'm only replying to this now because I simply missed this reply and the one right after it. Sorry.
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Have you tought of leting others to do the same? Isn't it posible to strip all exept necery setings tools, make all space enhacing triks and add freed space to internal flash.
For those 600kb you could ugrade Opera to 7.30. I don`t like the Sharp pims and use kpims. I'm not sure if this will free some space in the rom but surely will free some ram. There is a new version of clock and calculator wich will free some more ram.
BTW what kernel do you use?
I can't strip away and make it user installable because of the way it works. It'd have to be re-partitioned, or completely re-done. Sorry, but it's just not viable. As I said in my last post, once KPim/Pi gets a good mail client, and becomes more stable and mature, I'd not object to making it or the Sharp PIMs as options in IPKs.
And I'm taking Opera 7.3 under consideration if someone can tell me if there's a speed difference between it and 6.0 (as I've heard there is).
And the kernel available with it is a custom one. It's the stock Sharp kernel, except missing the cache bug workaround (that practically cut the speed in half). It technically should lower the stability a bit, but I haven't noticed anything. Of course you can use any 5600 kernel you want.
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I'm having a problem with my SMC 2642W WiFi card. When I try to connect, I never get past the Initializing stage. It shows up in the menubar when inserted, and the link light blinks as it's trying to connect, but it eventually fails. The card works fine with the standard Sharp ROM. Any ideas?
I honestly have no clue. I've never used a SMC card before, but please if anyone has any experience with this type of card, please speak up.
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Well, Opera has a 7.6 preview out that supports Gmail. Once it's released, what would be the best way to test it on my 5600 with the Watapon ROM?
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Well, Opera has a 7.6 preview out that supports Gmail. Once it's released, what would be the best way to test it on my 5600 with the Watapon ROM?
Is this a 7.6 preview for the Zaurus? Or just a general 7.6 version? Because unless it's specifically labelled as for the Zaurus, it won't work...
I can't find any reference to a Zaurus version on the Opera website (as I believe it was a deal with Sharp to include it with the Zaurus -- not a regularly produced version).
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Chaos Wast week I was away from my PC and had a lot of time to play with my Z. I found that you didn't remove old systeminfo. It will free only 32kb and some memory, nothing big but it is something. /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/binlib/sysinfo.so or something like this. If you chnage the calculator it is there too.You could change standart TextEdit with ZEditor and ImagePad with qpPhoto. They have more options and they are more user friendly.
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Chaos Wast week I was away from my PC and had a lot of time to play with my Z. I found that you didn't remove old systeminfo. It will free only 32kb and some memory, nothing big but it is something. /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/binlib/sysinfo.so or something like this. If you chnage the calculator it is there too.You could change standart TextEdit with ZEditor and ImagePad with qpPhoto. They have more options and they are more user friendly.
Ah, thanks for pointing out the sysinfo library that I missed. I'm going to leave the standard text editor for now, but the calculator will be replaced in 1.3.
Also expect for 1.3...
Opera 7
New calculator (probably gwCalc as earlier suggested)
Crystal icons (very nice icons)
vim rather than vi
findutils
Many new IPKs in the feed
The base 1.3 ROM should be out this weekend (I'd originally planned it for today, but things kinda slowed me down...). The huge IPK feed updates might take another week longer.
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As I said earlier, if KDE PIM/Pi released another version with a Mail client I'd be willing to give it a go as the default PIM... Unfortunately the whole KDE PIM/Pi set is over 8 MB large. This leaves me with a dilemma. Take out other things to IPKs to make room for PIM/Pi as the default, make both PIM/Pi and the Sharp PIMs as options in IPKs, or stick to the Sharp PIMs until KDE PIM/Pi gets smaller (more around the 3-4 MB range -- about what the Sharp ones are).
Any opinions on this?
Edit: Well, I tried out KDE PIM/Pi, and it's better than the Sharp PIMs... Unfortunately, I've heard it has issues with, especially, contact receiving. So I'm going to stick to the Sharp PIMs for now, being smaller. Maybe once KDE PIM/Pi hits version 2.0.0 I'll take another look.
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I'm almost finished 1.3. Who's actual version number will come out at around 1.3.6. I've had SOOO MANY builds I thought were gonna be the last one, but turned out to have minor bugs in them...
There's only a couple issues right now.
One, my 5600 version of the IRDA applet doesn't work right (I recompiled after changing the code a bit more. I think this time I've got it -- still have yet to test), and two, there's a few issues with the icons (one not appearing right).
Also...
If anyone knows any or can make any nice SD and CF icons, it would be GREATLY appreciated, as those are the only commonly seen icons that are "ugly" now. Preferably if they look similar to the Crystal icons for KDE, as that's what's in 1.3.
So, still aiming for that weekend release. And once 1.3 is out, nothing more except for bug fixes (as if there'll be any!) and program updated versions until at least December.
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Chaos, with your Watapon ROM, were you able to change the default alarm sound? The one that's built in to the Sharp ROM is annoying.
Were you able to get the VNC server running? I'm using the Overclock ROM and it does not work with VNC server.
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I'm not sure what alarm sound you mean... All sounds are in /home/QtPalmtop/sounds/, which are symlinks to /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/sounds/, and I didn't change any. If you can figure out which sound file it is that's annoying to you, tell me and I'll try to find a better one and use that next release.
VNC server should work (as long as it's a version reported to work on the 5600 in general). The kernel is identical to the Sharp ROM's, except with the Cache bug turned off (increasing speed). I haven't personally tried though, as I don't use VNC.
1.4 (changed from 1.3 to 1.4 -- I'm going to go to the more standard 1.x, where if x is an odd number it's development version, if even it's stable) should be up later this evening. I'm just too lazy to post it up now (it works well though ). The IPK feed will be slightly updated too, with Zautrix's NeIC in there, as opposed to ziciz for an IRC program. It's also been slightly hacked to give compatibility with ~ and & as IRC user prefixes (the source will be available).
So, I'll add a post when I do put 1.4 up. That'll be in a few hours (probably).
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1.4 uploaded.
Opera 7.55
gwCalc
Crystal Icons
More IPKs
No IRDA applet... It just wasn't working for me when I tried to hack the code for the 5600. I may try again sometime.
http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/ (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/)
Yeh, subdomain now. Little shorter to type/write, although not much...
If you install all the IPKs at the same time, it may seem to spit out an error while installing about 'Terminating Process', but don't worry, they install.
Also the NeIC version there has a minor edit to make it compatible with the IRC network I go to... Probably won't affect anyone else at all.
Have fun with 1.4. The screenshots are updated.
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Chaos,
Thank you very much for the hard work you have put on creating this ROM.
I am trying it now, and it looks and feels pretty good.
Mike
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Added Keypebble (possibly broken and non-functioning - might require libopie1 (now in base ROM) to be installed - anyone confirm this?), and the Sharp ROM default games to the feed. Any other requests?
Can't be certain the Sharp ROM games work either. They may be missing images. IF THEY DO NOT WORK, PLEASE TELL ME SO I CAN CORRECT THEM.
Thanks.
Edit: Updated the ROM image itself. Still just 1.4. Only a very small update... Added libopie to the base ROM, and changed the Email icon to fit in better with the Opera icon. Don't have to update if you don't want to.
Only thing to note is that you'll need the libopie package (for some applications) still if you got the ROM before I posted this message (and don't feel like upgrading). Find it at http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/old/ (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/old/)
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Small update. 1.4.1.
Only very tiny changes... Added the konsole with tabs, rather than the non-tabbed version.
Also updated Opie-Reader to 0.7h. And finally, added the Watapon IPK feed to the default config.
And on the website, I noted which IPKs either do or probably do have issues... Tell me if they do (I don't install some of them, as some were requested).
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Chaos pls give us permision to download that update.
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Chaos pls give us permision to download that update.
Ah, damnit! I keep forgetting that I mis-set the permissions all the time!
Sorry, will be corrected in about a minute...
Corrected.
Also... Anyone know a good, preferably mplayer-based GUI video player that works on a 5600? I just started getting some full movies on my CF card and realized just how crappy the Sharp Media Player is! I'd love to have a good video player on the Watapon ROM by default!
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As I said earlier, if KDE PIM/Pi released another version with a Mail client I'd be willing to give it a go as the default PIM... Unfortunately the whole KDE PIM/Pi set is over 8 MB large. This leaves me with a dilemma. Take out other things to IPKs to make room for PIM/Pi as the default, make both PIM/Pi and the Sharp PIMs as options in IPKs, or stick to the Sharp PIMs until KDE PIM/Pi gets smaller (more around the 3-4 MB range -- about what the Sharp ones are).
Any opinions on this?
Edit: Well, I tried out KDE PIM/Pi, and it's better than the Sharp PIMs... Unfortunately, I've heard it has issues with, especially, contact receiving. So I'm going to stick to the Sharp PIMs for now, being smaller. Maybe once KDE PIM/Pi hits version 2.0.0 I'll take another look.
As I said earlier, if KDE PIM/Pi released another version with a Mail client I'd be willing to give it a go as the default PIM... Unfortunately the whole KDE PIM/Pi set is over 8 MB large. This leaves me with a dilemma. Take out other things to IPKs to make room for PIM/Pi as the default, make both PIM/Pi and the Sharp PIMs as options in IPKs, or stick to the Sharp PIMs until KDE PIM/Pi gets smaller (more around the 3-4 MB range -- about what the Sharp ones are).
Any opinions on this?
I have taken a look at the KDE PIM/Pi and like them. I wouldn't suggest making them the default until they get the contact receiving working, but would like to see the Sharp PIMs taken out so we could only install the PIM that we prefer. I have also look at the Opie PIMs, and like them considerably more than the Sharp PIMs. The problem with the Opie addressbook is when you install it over the Sharp addressbook it dies when you try to access the owner information.
I just got my Z a week ago and I have tried a half a dozen ROMs. Giving each of them a good work out before moving on. OZ is still to unstable, and there are features there that I don't care for. Like I said earlier, I really like the Opie PIMs, and they don't have that issue on OZ. It finally came down to Watapon and Zynergy. I gave them each a more thorough look, and decided that Watapon would work better for me.
The one issue that I had with all the ROMs, except tkcROM, is that they had the PIMs installed already. I would love to see that option open up, so as to choose the one that works best for me.
Thanks for all the work on this ROM. That's what I love about the Z, is the options available to you.
Al
aka komoman
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I have taken a look at the KDE PIM/Pi and like them. I wouldn't suggest making them the default until they get the contact receiving working, but would like to see the Sharp PIMs taken out so we could only install the PIM that we prefer. I have also look at the Opie PIMs, and like them considerably more than the Sharp PIMs. The problem with the Opie addressbook is when you install it over the Sharp addressbook it dies when you try to access the owner information.
I just got my Z a week ago and I have tried a half a dozen ROMs. Giving each of them a good work out before moving on. OZ is still to unstable, and there are features there that I don't care for. Like I said earlier, I really like the Opie PIMs, and they don't have that issue on OZ. It finally came down to Watapon and Zynergy. I gave them each a more thorough look, and decided that Watapon would work better for me.
The one issue that I had with all the ROMs, except tkcROM, is that they had the PIMs installed already. I would love to see that option open up, so as to choose the one that works best for me.
Thanks for all the work on this ROM. That's what I love about the Z, is the options available to you.
One unfortunate sideaffect of removing the PIMs is probably ending up breaking the firstboot setup, as it asks for PIM Owner Information... The way tKC ROM got around this was by taking the home directory off a working Zaurus and then using that, which was already setup, I believe. Personally I'd prefer to avoid that.
But anyway, who knows, KDE PIM/Pi might be perfect by December (next planned major release of this ROM).
I'll keep it in mind.
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Well, I basically decided to say "screw it" about my plans for December release.
Next version coming up in a few weeks. 1.6, probably. I've been working on it slowly, but steadily.
Removed the media player (too crappy to live), and also swapped out QT/Opie Reader (will be in an IPK). In their place is QPDF2, probably an overall more useful application to most people.
Also, I'm going to compile Busybox 1.0.0-rc3 and use it. ar, bzip, etc. built in in this version. I'll create as many symlinks for the commands as I can, all of them if I need to. Lots of fun stuff compared to to the old one Sharp used.
Also I'm going to play with MPlayer and create a shell script with, so to speak, optimized options for Mplayer and package it up as an IPK. Of course it'll have to be run from a terminal, but if all goes well it'll just be typing in something like "playmplayer.sh path/to/movie.avi" and it'll "automatically" drop frames, go fullscreen, etc... If anyone already knows a "best" set of options to us with Mplayer on the 5600, please, speak up!
So look forward to that, and probably more, in a few weeks.
Oh yeah, I figured a way to backup the PIM, and ONLY the PIM. I'll create a script for those who can't sync but want to upgrade. Maybe it'll backup Documents and some Settings or Application files as well... Just make the whole process as streamlined as possible.
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Hello Chaos,
I haven't tried your ROM yet, I'm about to. I have to say I appreciate you working on this.
I wish there was someway I could contribute.
I say QPDF2 was a good idea, I think PDFs are very convenient documents.
Can you somehow get VLC (video LAN controller--? I think that's what it stands for) going? I have some games on the sharp rom (special kernel 1.3), will the Apps (games) I have now work with your ROM?
Thanks again
TJ
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VLC = Video LAN Client
The Zaurus version is command-line only (and I'm nowhere near good enough to write a front-end for Qtopia), so it was a tossup between that and Mplayer. Personally I've used Mplayer for a while on my Linux box and like it, so I decided to use it in an IPK, as I said above.
Any games (or any other applications for that matter) you install should work if they work on the Sharp ROM. Of course you'd have to install all the dependancies, like libSDL.
I've actually added a few libraries to the base ROM, so I'll probably list those somewhere...
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I went to install some of my Apps I had before your ROM, and the installer says this
"The filename of this package includes character this application can't handle. Please change the filename and retry install. "
This is a game called "Froot", you may notice improper grammar, this is verbatim the text. Other applications give me the same message, these are the same installers I used before.
Anyway any insight is appreciated, I have to say the GUI is quite nice, I love the icons.
And for the first time since I have owned the 2: SL-5600 + SMC2642 wifi card, the card never would see any networks now it sees my Airport basestation and gets signal. This is a first.
But it never finalizes after intializing.
Thanks again for working on the ROM.
TJ
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Hmm, the filename issue could just be a minor error... I've never had an issue.
Try going into the Terminal, and changing to the directory where the IPKs are stored.
i.e. if it's in the internal flash:
cd /home/zaurus/Documents
OR
cd /home/zaurus/Documents/Install_Files
or on a SD card...
cd /mnt/card/
OR
cd /mnt/card/Documents/Install_Files
If you know basic Linux you should have no trouble.
Once you're in the correct directory, use "ls" to list the files.
Type in (I'll use froot as an example)...
mv froot<Hit tab to autocomplete the rest> froot.ipk
This simplifies the name as much as possible, hopefully stopping it complaining. Try installing again.
EDIT: Oh yeah, theoretically you could use the GUI document tab to do this as well. Just tap-and-hold on the package, and hit "Rename".
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Hey Chaos I tried what you said, (I'm not that good with the terminal yet, but I tried from the GUI) GUI did not work, I clicked to rename and nothing happened. Then I realized I had the put all my installers in a seperate folder on my Compact flash card. I moved one App right to the "root" of the card, and viola it was able to install. I guess it was a directory confusion. The apps are working fine now. THanks again.
TJ
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Hmm, did the directory you originally had them in have a space in it or some symbol or something, perhaps?
Having a space or any other non-alphanumeric character (also excluding -, _, and .) may have caused the problem...
Oh yeah, Busybox will be 1.00 (they released it today). And that's if I can get my current 200 KB busybox binary down small enough (down to about 150 KB or 100 KB). Maybe using strip I can get it to do it...
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I don't know, I never checked on that level; like the script of the location of where the installers were.--sorry.
I wonder if you can provide any insight as to how to connect to my wifi network. I have the WEP (hex) and it sees the network, gets signal but does not finalize. Just intializes. It's a SMC2642. Which is a Prism 2.5 chipset. And I'm trying to connect to a Snow Airport basestation.
Again Thanks.
TJ
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Hmm, try turning off WEP on your access point (just for a short time) and see if it can connect with no WEP, maybe.
If it can, then the problem is narrowed down significantly, to being either a WEP issue with the card, a WEP issue with the ROM, or a general issue between some combination of the above and the access point.
Hmm, it might have something to do with being Prism 2.5 based, as opposed to the Prism 2 based that most of the other common Prism chipset cards are (like the Linksys WCF12 that I have). I really don't have any great ideas for a solution, unfortunately. I did a ZUG search and a Google and still came up pretty dry... Others have had issues with this card, but it supposedly does work.
Edit: On Busybox... I'm leaving the binary at just over 230 KB because overall it's smaller, since I setup wget and vi both to run through busybox instead of standalone binaries. Also removed ash since having sh, bash and ash seems really overkill. So at the end of this process, I ended with about 200 KB of extra space compared to before. Looks like adding back in QT/Opie Reader might happen.
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Chaos-
Just gave your ROM a try and all I can say is "WOW".
It has everything I've been looking for in one very nice looking package.
Feeds work perfect! Great selection of Apps!
Looking forward to 1.6.
Thanks for the hard work
Jim
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Just gave your ROM a try and all I can say is "WOW".
It has everything I've been looking for in one very nice looking package.
Feeds work perfect! Great selection of Apps!
Looking forward to 1.6.
Thanks for the hard work
Thanks! I'm going hard on 1.6, so it's bound to be real nice. More apps (with the use of Busybox 1.00 [now including wget and vi in it, instead of standalone], and removal of the real useless ash [we have sh and bash, so why need another shell??]), like QPDF2 added.
The feed is going to be slimmed down in 1.6, because I don't use the games, nor a couple other packages (so I can't test them to ensure their workability; I do know some don't work properly - I want it all to work; bit of a perfectionist when it comes to computers). So it's going to be cut down to basically the good apps that I use (NeIC, opie-oxygen, and a few others), along with some network security testing tools (like Kismet, Nmap, Zethereal, Nemessis, a few others). Fun stuff like that.
Look forward to 1.6.0 on Oct. 24th, unless I run into problems. Probably I won't though. Once you get the hang of things, ROM building is easy enough to have fun with it.
Also, it's really great to get compliments from a ZUG co-admin.
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I gotta say I was pretty excited today when I went to work with your ROM Chaos, cause with no additional settings I was able to access my jobs wireless network. Whammo your website came up. Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I would have tried to change the settings on my Apple Basestation but I don't have my Mac right now. By the way my job has all Basestations without WEP. Thanks again.
TJ
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I gotta say I was pretty excited today when I went to work with your ROM Chaos, cause with no additional settings I was able to access my jobs wireless network. Whammo your website came up. Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I would have tried to change the settings on my Apple Basestation but I don't have my Mac right now. By the way my job has all Basestations without WEP. Thanks again.
TJ
So that might mean the WEP on the Apple basestation is causing the problem...
Hmm, you're card is an 802.11b card, right? And the basestation also uses 802.11b? (802.11b is referred to by Apple as "Airport", whereas 802.11g is often referred to as "Airport Extreme" by Apple.)
If it's both 802.11b, then I'm pretty stumped. I've never played with WEP much (my network is totally unsecured since I've never had time to make it encrypted), but my school has WEP, and I'm currently trying to crack it (since the network admin is annoying and refuses to give out the WEP key, he wants to enter it himself [which I don't want anyone touching my Zaurus] - of course it's also a learning experience for me). Once I do I'll be able to confirm that WEP does work (at least on the WCF12) on Watapon, hence narrowing down the problem to either the Apple basestation, or the specific wireless card (or a combination thereof).
Of course anyone else is welcome to confirm that WEP works themselves before I get the chance to.
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First I have to say thank you for a great ROM. I had been looking for a new ROM specifically for the 5600 and yours was the best one I had found (so far....)
Secondly, I am having some problems installing files from the Terminal
I'm trying to install some Libraries for XMMS (for some reason the included media player does not work, at least in my case). I use the following command : ipkg -install <filename>
I continually get back this error:
<ERROR> File not found: /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/WataponFeed
You probably want to run 'ipkg update'
zcat: <filename>: not in gzip format
zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from <filename>
What am I doing wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
J
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First I have to say thank you for a great ROM. I had been looking for a new ROM specifically for the 5600 and yours was the best one I had found (so far....)
Secondly, I am having some problems installing files from the Terminal
I'm trying to install some Libraries for XMMS (for some reason the included media player does not work, at least in my case). I use the following command : ipkg -install <filename>
I continually get back this error:
<ERROR> File not found: /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/WataponFeed
You probably want to run 'ipkg update'
zcat: <filename>: not in gzip format
zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from <filename>
What am I doing wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
J
The XMMS 0.00007 release is in the OZ package format. Not compatible with Sharp based ROMs. From the errors, that's where I assume you're installing from.
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An update on 1.6... Not coming out this weekend, as originally planned, as I've fallen in love with the KDEPIM/Pi suite, and am integrating it. Expect a beta version (1.5.x) though, with KO-KA-OM/Pi integrated. Unfortunately, I'll probably have to take out the QPDF2, and QT/Opie Reader to fit them... But they're so nice that it'll be worth it.
Also might have some issues with the first boot configuration... as that works with the DTM-based address book for adding in the owner info. Although there's a good chance it'll just skip that step if it can't find the original address book.
So look forward to that on (probably) Sunday.
And the final 1.6? Dunno when, exactly, as it'll be largely dependant on when the 2.0 of KDEPIM/Pi comes out. The version that should have all the (possibly) nasty bugs squashed.
Although when using 1.9.7, I haven't noticed anything except that the trio is a huge fast-load memory hog...
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Chaos- Just let us know when you have something ready. I'll be more than willing to test it out for you.
Really like the idea of the KDEPIM/Pi suite.
Jim
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I've got an initrd built with KDEPIM/Pi suite in it, but of course it's almost a megabyte too large. Also removed the Text Editor, since it uses the DTM, which I removed.
So my plans are to remove the HancomSheet to an IPK (it's an over 2 MB application - more than enough extra room), and throw in a nice text editor. Maybe another application if I have the room for it (something small, like again throwing in Opie Reader). Anyone else got an opinion? Good idea? Bad idea?
So expect a nice beta late tomorrow or sometime Sunday.
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w00t!
Thanks Chaos!
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I've got an initrd built with KDEPIM/Pi suite in it, but of course it's almost a megabyte too large. Also removed the Text Editor, since it uses the DTM, which I removed.
So my plans are to remove the HancomSheet to an IPK (it's an over 2 MB application - more than enough extra room), and throw in a nice text editor. Maybe another application if I have the room for it (something small, like again throwing in Opie Reader). Anyone else got an opinion? Good idea? Bad idea?
So expect a nice beta late tomorrow or sometime Sunday.
Why not just rip out Hancom Word to IPK also. That would really open up some room for you to put some more apps in
Never much cared for Text Editor anyhow no loss to me.
I'll be looking out for the beta!
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So my plans are to remove the HancomSheet to an IPK (it's an over 2 MB application - more than enough extra room), and throw in a nice text editor. Maybe another application if I have the room for it (something small, like again throwing in Opie Reader). Anyone else got an opinion? Good idea? Bad idea?
First of all... your Watapon rom v1.4 works great and looks good.(although I still use the Special kernel v1.3 with it)
I think that making Hancom Sheet an optional ipk is a good idea and I like the Opie Reader.
Chaos, I always hate to ask anyone that is donating so much free time to do anything else... but since you ask... lardman has made a usb-storage module and 2 scripts that work with it on a 5600 when installed manually but the ipk does not work properly. Ahhh... usb-storage, that would (and maybe could) be a very nice feature for your rom.
Greg
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Ack, double posted a wrong message by accident...
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tajipa, I'll take your suggestion. Hancom Word, to an IPK.
Greg2, point me to the files and I'll see what I can do.
On another note, does ANYONE, EVER use the help files? Because if not, then they go bye-bye, for a little more space.
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My vote goes for Bye-Bye help files
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How about adding a Reboot button to the Qt Menu?
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i been using your 1.4 rom for 2 weeks now and been happy with it (keep up the good work) goahead and rip out the help i dont use it
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Make Help go away!
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Greg2, point me to the files and I'll see what I can do.
OK... great!
Here's a link to the original thread of lardmans, and a link to the thread of maslovskys that has an ipk that works on a 5500 with sharp based rom for comparison.
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...wtopic=1996&hl= (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1996&hl=)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...&hl=usb+storage (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2129&hl=usb+storage)
I just found out that the attachments are gone in lardmans thread so here's a link to his site with the ipk to remove the module and scripts to use.(Sharp pxa ipk)
http://sgp.zaurii.net/binaries/ (http://sgp.zaurii.net/binaries/)
Let me know if you need anything else or if I could explain anything better.(or test)
Thanks
Greg
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Help gone, and I built an initrd.bin, and tested it...
But ERRORS popped up on the bootup after a format. A hell of a lot of errors.
From what little I can read (as it scrolls by FAST) it appears to be tar errors, possibly resulting from the new busybox. That would fit with the later errors complaining about not finding a file that should get untarred into /home... I'm thinking I did something wrong with busybox, or it just randomly didn't work. So I'll play with it some more, and if all else fails, back to the Sharp-default busybox... :/
Anyone else got some ideas, maybe? It's all linked properly, and everything, just it seems to spit out lots of errors...
Addition: Thanks, Greg2. I'll work on that as soon as I get this busybox stuff sorted out.
Later addition: I think I may be the stupidest person who's ever compiled busybox... I was looking through the config, and guess what wasn't in there? MOUNT AND UMOUNT! And those *are* busybox-handled on the Zaurus... Well, I'm re-compiling, and I think this should fix my idiocy.
Another addition: After much pain and suffering, I still have not gotten my Zaurus to fully boot, probably because removing ash, which sh linked to, screwed up stuff. So I added it back in, and I have yet to test this new version because I'm getting a headache from sitting here working on it too long. I'll try it later tonight or sometime tomorrow. If it boots into Qtopia properly, I'll release it for general testing... Even if some stuff doesn't work. Because one person testing something is rarely enough.
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Chaos, thanks for all the work on this rom. I just installed it and it on my 5600 and it looks great.
I noticed that it comes up as the root user. Is this intentional? Is there some way that I can have it come up as zaurus instead? I always get nervous running as root.
Thanks,
radioz
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Chaos, thanks for all the work on this rom. I just installed it and it on my 5600 and it looks great.
I noticed that it comes up as the root user. Is this intentional? Is there some way that I can have it come up as zaurus instead? I always get nervous running as root.
It runs as root to eliminate the possibility of permission problems that seem to crop up on the Zaurus fairly frequently.
Although its made that way, you can probably set it up to run as Zaurus by editing /home/QtPalmtop/qpe.sh and changing the following lines:
export QPEUSER=root
export QPEGROUP=root
to:
export QPEUSER=zaurus
export QPEGROUP=qpe
Beware it may cause problems, as it's set up to run as root, meaning the permissions are for root.
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I got problem using the wifi connection. Using a d-link DCF-660W with a linksys wireless router. I can't connect when I choose to off my ssid broadcast and idea why?
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I got problem using the wifi connection. Using a d-link DCF-660W with a linksys wireless router. I can't connect when I choose to off my ssid broadcast and idea why?
No, not a clue why. I'm not a wifi genius, nor do I use a D-Link card...
And if you mean turn off the SSID broadcast from the wireless access point so it isn't actively promoting itself, so to speak... Well, I don't see a point for doing that. If you want security, encrypt it, because turning off an SSID broadcast still allows some sniffers like Kismet to pick it up when there's some form of traffic... It's only something to stop the REALLY casual user from connecting, from what I understand...
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how many bit of encryption u using? 64 or 128? Wat can of mdiea player is compartible for watapon? Cos the sharp player can't play some of my movies. Can't seems to be able to install opie-media player.
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hey randonsg ... If you've turned off the beconing on your linksys ap ... make sure that your qpe scheme (which is what the net config is changing) is set the the name of your ap.. and not the "any"
Btw ::: Kismet will still see the network .... and the ssid is in the header info of the 802.11 accosciate packets (which does not have encryption).... . So the network ssid will be disclosed as soon as someone (like you) connects to the network. not any protection there :
The flip side, is that progrmas like netstumbler won't find it on pocketPC... because it only sends out requests, and shows networks that respond. It doesn't put the card into RFMON mode like kismet does. ((From my understanding))
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For 1.6 there will be no Sharp Media Player, as it's terrible.
Instead there will be an IPK available of Mplayer, which is command line only, but works very well... There will also be some basic usage instructions.
Although if anyone can find a GUI confirmed to work on the 5600, please, tell me.
Well... I got the test to boot. Just... It spits out a few errors booting, then freezes at the Qtopia loading screen...
I think the booting errors are from something missing in the busybox config... The freeze while loading may also stem from busybox.
Would anyone terribly mind if busybox 1.00 was left out for now, because it's causing more trouble than it's worth in my opinion?
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You can wait till 1.8 for busybox 1.00
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Well, replacing busybox with the original got it back booting with no errors, but unfortunately, Qtopia seems to freeze while trying to launch.
So I'm trying to sort out what's going on there. Time to enable QPE boot logging...
Apparently its the libzdtm.so that I removed that's causing errors... I guess it's used for more than just the DTM...
And it's size looks like it'd push the initrd.bin size over the edge... Forcing me to remove something else...
Edit: Scratch that, it fits, with like 20 KB to spare in the initrd... Now to see if it works now.
Well, it gets further... But when trying to fastload KOPI/KAPI, it kinda chokes... Maybe I'll set no fastload apps, and let users do it themselves...
Turns out it does work, but kinda messily... So out goes fastloading.
Uploaded 1.5.5, which should boot, but I've not tested it (yet, but I will very shortly)... Find it here: http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapo...00_1.5.5.tar.gz (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapon_SL5600_1.5.5.tar.gz)
The feed with all the packages for it will be found in a while (once I put them all together) here: http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/1.5.5 (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/1.5.5) (stuff like the Hancom apps, etc.)
One thing to note, in the first boot process, just hit "Next" when it says its opening the PIM dialog. It doesn't do it, because the addressbook was removed.
I've been playing with 1.5.5, and it is VERY nice. The KDEPIM/PI is AWESOME. Fastload on KOPI and KAPI, since OMPI is the fastest to load of the three (about 5 seconds). The memory usage is very acceptable. No changes planned between this and 1.6, except updated KDEPIM.
Next weekend: 1.5.6, with KDEPIM 1.9.10...
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Looking very good Some things are different from what I'm used to in Zynergy :::: BUt over-all I like the feel better.
One thing I noticed is that the sync with the usb cradle is missing. (Or i'm not looking in the right place) .. I tried hitting the hardware sync button :: and nothing ran :: so it's eithe rmoved or removed. I generally synced with SSH over usb ::: but I'll figure it out ... I'm probably missing it cuz I'm tired and worn out :: tomarrow is another day more hacking to play with.
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OUch :: : : I just went to do a reboot ::; and it got caught in a loop before it was able to load qt.
The Watapon "this is a linux box" banner came up (Very Slick looking by the way) .... then it went back to the black terminal with INIT runlevel 5 wait5,4,3,2,1 ... Going back and forth that way .
I changed the qpe.sh to user zaurus and group qpe :: that *might have somethign to do with it.
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Looking very good Some things are different from what I'm used to in Zynergy :::: BUt over-all I like the feel better.
One thing I noticed is that the sync with the usb cradle is missing. (Or i'm not looking in the right place) .. I tried hitting the hardware sync button :: and nothing ran :: so it's eithe rmoved or removed. I generally synced with SSH over usb ::: but I'll figure it out ... I'm probably missing it cuz I'm tired and worn out :: tomarrow is another day more hacking to play with.
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OUch :: : : I just went to do a reboot ::; and it got caught in a loop before it was able to load qt.
The Watapon "this is a linux box" banner came up (Very Slick looking by the way) .... then it went back to the black terminal with INIT runlevel 5 wait5,4,3,2,1 ... Going back and forth that way .
I changed the qpe.sh to user zaurus and group qpe :: that *might have somethign to do with it.
On the first one, I did remove qtsamba, because I (incorrectly) assumed it was useless except for syncing. It'll be replaced next version, if I can make enough space...
And the reboot, probably because you changed the user/group. It's really not dangerous on a Z to run as root.
Just at the Wait...5... prompt, hit / and then a. You should come to a login prompt. Enter "root" and hit enter. Then just use vi to modify the /home/QtPalmtop/qpe.sh file back to root and root.
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Well Flashed up 1.5.5 no problems
Pulling all the apps from the feed, finished no problems
All the apps run so far no problems as if I'm surprised
Wait take that back zethereal errors "error while loading shared libraries: libgmodule-1.2.so.0: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory"
Other than zethereal everything looks great!
Thanks for the great work Chaos!
Jim
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One other quick thing icons seem to be missing for Snake and Word Game.
I was able to sset the Icon for Word Game but there is no icon for snake.
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One other quick thing icons seem to be missing for Snake and Word Game.
I was able to sset the Icon for Word Game but there is no icon for snake.
Yeah, some of those IPKs need work... I don't use them, so no testing done, really... I'll try to get them setup better for 1.6...
Edit; Maybe tell me what doesn't work, and/or what files are missing, and I'll be able to fix them easier.
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The two games work fine just messed up icons. zethereal seems to be missing the lib file mentioned in my first post.
Otherwise everything is great. Just finished install all my other favorite apps and they all work.
Thanks again,
Jim
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The two games work fine just messed up icons. zethereal seems to be missing the lib file mentioned in my first post.
Otherwise everything is great. Just finished install all my other favorite apps and they all work.
Thanks again,
Jim
Oops, missed the first post.
I'll have that fixed up for 1.5.6.
libglib (the entire thing, even libglib, which is currently in the ROM itself) will be in an IPK.
Moving libglib itself to an IPK will also allow me to add back in that qtsamba. Heh. Should free enough space for qtsamba.
Allright, current todo for 1.5.6 is KDEPIM 1.9.10 (unless zautrix gets out another version by next weekend ), game IPKs fixed, add in qtsamba again, full libglib to IPK. Hmm, maybe libopie1 to IPK too, as it's not used in the default config by anything... Free up a bit more space to play with.
Sound good to everyone else so far?
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Sounds great here Chaos!
I don't use anything that requires libopie anyhow.
Samba I use alot!
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Sounds great here Chaos!
I don't use anything that requires libopie anyhow.
Samba I use alot!
qtsamba is the sync application, which I thought to be useless with KDEPIM/Pi.
But apparently it's also called when the Zaurus is plugged into the USB cradle, and starts up everything needed for a connection... So when I plugged it into my Mac, under 1.5.5, it kinda sat there, and didn't do anything...
Oops, I guess. Live and learn.
libopie1 is pretty useless except for two apps in the feed, which I'll just tell them libopie1 is a required package. The two are keypebble and oxygen (which I use for chemistry in school some)... So, really, it's a pretty niche thing to be used.
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Choas
Except for the few minor bugs already discussed. Everything works good.
With hancomlibs, hancomword, hancomsheet, qpdf2 and more installed to SD-card and working great... there's plenty of room for everything I use.
Thanks
Greg
PS- I think the screensavers broken
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PS- I think the screensavers broken
More detail on the error? It's only supposed to turn on with the A/C power, if you don't know/didn't remember that...
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Screen Saver work fine for me.
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More detail on the error? It's only supposed to turn on with the A/C power, if you don't know/didn't remember that...
It's no big deal... I was kinda joking
I'm not sure how to give you an error... it simply doesn't start when set at any amount of min. in the light settings> external power> screen saver> 5 (or whatever) min.
Greg
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Screen Saver work fine for me.
OK... mine works to
I had installed the qtopia-rotation.ipk and had never restarted Qtopia after install, (this has been a problem before on other apps for me) a simple restart and everythings fine.
Thanks
Greg
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OK, so the screensaver *does* work in the end!
Update on what I'm doing for the next release:
libopie1 IPK: 100% done
libglib1.2 IPK: 100% done
Dependencies for packages that need those: 100% done
qtsamba back in: 100% done
KDEPIM/PI 1.9.10: 30% done (directory structure set up (for tarring up and then plopping into the rootfs), although not in the rootfs, and no links) - Note: The new PWM/Pi (password manager) will not be used, until very stable (since it's sensitive info, passwords), and only will be used then if it's smaller than zsafe. Or a heck of a lot better.
Game IPKs fixed: 0% (not started, heh - lower on my priority list )
So, nothing else to add to that list?
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That pretty well covers everything I know of!
I put the ROM on both of my 5600's and been going through eveything in detail today.
I can't find any other "bugs".
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is there any included app that let me rotate my screen when playing videos?
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There isn't one included but there is one that works well.
I'll try and run down the links for you.
Jim
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There isn't one included but there is one that works well.
I'll try and run down the links for you.
Jim
Thanks tapjpa.
Chaos, possible to included sharp player as a ipk? I kind of like to use it as mp3 player. Mplayer console based thus bit hard to use it to play my mp3 on the move. Thanks.
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Hmm, sure, why not.
I don't like/use it, but it wouldn't be too hard to package up...
Just a note, I'm still going to play with mplayer and create a shell script that'll use some good default playing options for movies. Like --quiet, etc. Just something like mplayer-run.sh.
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OFFTOPIC: Oh yeah, on your stylus issues (read sig), one of the Tungsten T styluses work pretty well. It's about 1-1.5 cm longer than the default ones. I think the one I have is the T3 stylus... If that's still too short, you'd be better off with one of those pens that has a stylus tip built in... There's one that's a stylus, a pen, a laser pointer and a LED light all in one, if I remember correctly...
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radonsg-
I put up a link to the 2 ipk's to make rotation work on a 5600.
http://www.jpanderson.net/dl/ (http://www.jpanderson.net/dl/)
Download both ipk's install rotate_0.0.2_arm.ipk then istall qt-embeded-rotation-fix_2.3.2-4_arm.ipk
Should do the trick for you.
Jim
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Hmm, sure, why not.
I don't like/use it, but it wouldn't be too hard to package up...
Just a note, I'm still going to play with mplayer and create a shell script that'll use some good default playing options for movies. Like --quiet, etc. Just something like mplayer-run.sh.
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OFFTOPIC: Oh yeah, on your stylus issues (read sig), one of the Tungsten T styluses work pretty well. It's about 1-1.5 cm longer than the default ones. I think the one I have is the T3 stylus... If that's still too short, you'd be better off with one of those pens that has a stylus tip built in... There's one that's a stylus, a pen, a laser pointer and a LED light all in one, if I remember correctly...
does the stylus fit nicely into the stylus holder? I seen before stylus that can extend, if I can find that that fit nicely & securely into the holder that be great.
Thanks tapjpa for the link. Will to wait til the weekends to try it out. Real busy these few weeks.
Looking forward to version 1.6.
When will it be released? Few weeks time?
Chaos, it be great if you can package the sharp player for version 1.5.5 so that I can switch over. Thanks.
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I am also using the T3 stylus it fits great. When you want to use the stylus just press the top, it extends and you grab it easily. It fits just snug enough in the silo that it won't fall out on you when your carrying your Z around.
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Is there a charger that allow charging from an usb connection to sl 5600 directly? I know there is one for the sl-5500 not sure abt 5600. I don't wish to bring my big & bulky original charger to & from home & office. Anyone has any idea on this?
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You can use the same cable but there are 2 little "ears" you need to clip off.
The ears are used on the 5500 to hold the cable tight but the 5600 doesn't have the same config for the connector so there's no sopt for the ears to latch in.
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does the stylus fit nicely into the stylus holder? I seen before stylus that can extend, if I can find that that fit nicely & securely into the holder that be great.
Thanks tapjpa for the link. Will to wait til the weekends to try it out. Real busy these few weeks.
Looking forward to version 1.6.
When will it be released? Few weeks time?
Chaos, it be great if you can package the sharp player for version 1.5.5 so that I can switch over. Thanks.
The T3 (I think it's the T3, anyway...) stylus does fit into the slot nicely. The unfortunate sideaffect is that it kinda stretches the slot a little so the original stylus no longer clicks in place. And as I cannot remember which one it is exactly, just bring your original stylus along. It's the Tungsten stylus that is almost exactly the same size as the original.
1.6 is coming whenever zautrix gets out KDEPIM/PI 2.0. It's gonna be near-perfect long before that, though. I expect 1.5.6 to be almost 100% perfect. Just holding off on final for that 2.0 release. I'd personally rather avoid using an under-heavy-development set of apps in a non-beta release. Meh, you'll probably find 1.5.6 or 1.5.7 to be perfect though. (Oh, yeah. Once I've gotten every bug worked out, except the KDEPIM upgrades, I'll try to make it so you just have to flash, not re-format. i.e. the /home will not change, just the stuff in the read-only part.)
I'll try to package the Sharp Media Player this weekend for 1.5.6 (also this weekend, maybe Friday at earliest).
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I tried the stylus T3, it can go in but cannot come out. Need to use somethin to dig it out. Any idea?
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I tried the stylus T3, it can go in but cannot come out. Need to use somethin to dig it out. Any idea?
That's the one with the telescoping end, right?? If so, try poking the telescoping end of it with your old stylus, or a small stick...
If that doesn't work, you *could* (BE VERY CAREFUL) take a *SMALL* bit of strong glue on the end of a SMALL STICK, and BARELY TOUCH it to the end of the stylus. Let it dry and CAREFULLY pull it out. You might want to wait for other's suggestions before trying this one though, as, for obvious reasons, it could be dangerous to the Zaurus.
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Mine "stuck" like your describing at first. It took a "little" breaking in to work well.
A few people here have taken some real fine sand paper and and knocked down the diameter of the plastic cap a bit.
But definitley be very carefull trying to get it out, using the old stylus to get it to pop up is probely your safest bet.
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i went to a shop to try it out, they managed to dig it out. When I saw that, I never get the stylus already. So meaning to say I need to do something to it before I can use it?
tapjpa:
When u say "breaking", can u describe in more details?
Chaos:
U did not have the struck problem?
tapjpa:
You can use the same cable but there are 2 little "ears" you need to clip off.
The ears are used on the 5500 to hold the cable tight but the 5600 doesn't have the same config for the connector so there's no sopt for the ears to latch in.
Meaning to say, the thing will be quite loose. Right? Cos don't have the "ears" to hold in in place.
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The breaking in I was refering to was wearing the plactic cap of the stylus down a bit, probably a bit of the case plastic as well. The original stylus still fits like it should.
With out the ears the cable still fits snug. I have only had it come loss once or twice and that was my own stupidity pulling the cable tawt. Even with the ears it more than likely would have pull out.
Cutting the ears off is the solution given by the vendor for using the cable with the 5600.
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Chaos:
U did not have the struck problem?
Nope, my T3 stylus was 100% perfect. Worked like an absolute charm. Actually, I got a three-pack of them, and *all* of them worked perfectly. I've swapped them around a bit, as to keep a nice semi-fresh stylus all the time. I'm a bit obsessive that way.
Anyway, I suppose we should get back on the topic of the ROM itself sometime here. Once all the immediate problems with stylii and cables have been sorted out, anyway.
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yeh. I don't know when will I sort out my stylus problem. Nevertheless, I will have to wait til this friday evening or weekend before able to test out the 1.5.6. Real busy with work, reached home everyday 10+pm. No time to try it out.
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Nice, just built an initrd.bin, and it's got about 200 KB to spare. Still holding off on 1.5.6 until the weekend though, as to just check it over...
Nice amount of bumper-zone space (that 200KB), unless anyone has any 200KB large bright ideas?
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Did you ever put together mplayer in the ROM or build an IPK for it?
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Did you ever put together mplayer in the ROM or build an IPK for it?
Will build an IPK.
Not enough room for Mplayer in the ROM itself (it's like over a MB large executable).
The KDEPIM suite is like... 8 MB itself, not leaving much room for other stuff there...
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How about having both PIMs (Sharp and KDEPIM) as IPKs?
In that way we may pick and choose which one suits better our needs.
Mike
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How about having both PIMs (Sharp and KDEPIM) as IPKs?
In that way we may pick and choose which one suits better our needs.
Mike
Because, to put it simply, the KDEPIM is way more advanced than the Sharp PIM. It's just several hundred years more advanced. Props to zautrix, by the way, for that. I'd prefer to have the more advanced one in by default.
If you haven't given the KDEPIM a try, I *highly* suggest you do.
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any changes of getting gaim and xmms as ipkg? It be nice.
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I once tried using XMMS, and it didn't work for me...
Same thing with GAIM. It just didn't work.
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Chaos Posted on Oct 29 2004, 03:28 AM
I once tried using XMMS, and it didn't work for me...
Same thing with GAIM. It just didn't work. sad.gif
That is sad.
Anyone using the usb tcp/ip connection with a linux machine.
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I have watapon 1.4 installed on my 5600 and gaim is working perfectly for me. You just have to follow the instructions on the qpegaim website in order for it to work. There is a missing library file that you need to dl. A complete package of gaim and the library would probably help out a lot of people.
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randonsg: 1.5.5 network over USB connectivity is broken.
Will be fixed in 1.5.6.
vemp: I'm not stupid. I followed the libpng instructions and it wasn't that kind of error. It kept trying to write the preferences to /.gaim or to ~/.gaim, but failing. I tried every trick I could make up (symbolic links, creating empty files, etc.) and it didn't work for me. Not on Watapon, not on Sharp, not on tKC, not on Zynergy.
It worked a while ago, but doesn't anymore, oddly.
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Chaos:
Ye. I discover that. Now I having a headache cos I lost connectivity to my sl-5600. Wondering how I can transfer the 1.5.6 to my compact flash when it's is ready. Any idea on that?
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Chaos:
Ye. I discover that. Now I having a headache cos I lost connectivity to my sl-5600. Wondering how I can transfer the 1.5.6 to my compact flash when it's is ready. Any idea on that?
Got CF network card? Use that directly to the CF card, and then just untar it there.
If not, I'll see what I can do...
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k. I now using my wifi card to down the 1.4.1. Hope the connection is stable enough for complete down. So will the 1.5.6 be released today?
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good work, I hope to prove your new ROM, there is possibility of translating it to the Spanish?
some tool to do?
thanks from spain
sorry for my inglish
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Any chance of sticking a rotate app into a future release ?
I am enjoying playing with your ROM - makes the 5600 useful !
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stormer-
If you go back a couple pages in this thread I posted a link to 2 ipk's that will provide rotation.
It works well with chaos's ROM.
Jim
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Tried those but they seem to freeze for about 3 mins, then crash the gui causing a restart !
Will try again on a completly clean install, I was wondering if they could be part of the ROM image ?
I loaded up lots of stuff trying to get bluetooth working consistently so I may have caused problems with libs.
Any new ETA on 1.6 Chaos ?
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Yo no sé traducir Qtopia en español... Y mi español no esta perfecta.
(It's been a while since I've done much in Spanish.)
I'll consider the rotation if I can figure out a way to get enough space into it. I've only got about 200KB free, which is not enough for the rotation...
And as said, 1.6 will be out once the KDEPIM suite reaches 2.0.
(1.5.6 will be out later today, after I get some food into me.)
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Well, the rotation app can be installed easily using the link tapjpa provide and it worked nicely. Only thing is that it will sort of hang there for about 30s to a min before it finished.
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The delay is a qtopia restart. The rotation is not "on the fly"
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ye. I know that. The sl-6000 will be nice, 640x480. Might no need to rotate the screen.
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(1.5.6 will be out later today, after I get some food into me.)
Chaos:
Any word on when 1.5.6 will be out?
radioz
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Unless you guys want a version I haven't made sure even boots, it'll be another day...
Got an extreme load of homework dropped on me... :/
But if you want a 100% untested one, I can have it up in 10-15 minutes time...
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haha.
No hurry Chaos. Take your time. I went back to 1.4.1 cos I want my usb connectivity back. I'm also busy like hell with my work. Just let us know when it's ready. Thanks a lot.
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Should be ready tomorrow evening.
KDEPIM 1.9.12, should be. They keep updating it! So maybe I'll be 1.9.13 by tomorrow!!
I've been through hell the past week or so, so I'm sorry. Too much work, too little sleep... :/
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I've been through hell the past week or so, so I'm sorry. Too much work, too little sleep... :/
offtopik
Chaos whem work begins to obstruct your pleasure give up work
/offtopik
will you use ZSafe or KPI password manager?
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off the topic,
Happy birthday tapjpa
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off the topic,
Happy birthday tapjpa
Thanks radonsg!
Jim
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Chaos-
Any updates on releasing 1.5.6? Understand your busy just looking for something more to play with.
Jim
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Yes, well, happy (belated) birthday for one thing, and for two... Tomorrow. I can ALMOST 100% guarantee that.
I get four (yes, count them, four) days off. Here in Canada, November 11th is Remembrance Day, so I get a little mini-vacation.
So yup... 99% chance of it tomorrow.
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1.5.6 uploading as I type this... Will update the feed once the ROM itself uploads.
ROM at http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapo...00_1.5.6.tar.gz (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapon_SL5600_1.5.6.tar.gz)
Feed for 1.5.6 at http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/1.5.6 (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/feed/1.5.6)
Have fun. I haven't tested it yet, but I will very shortly. The USB connectivity should be restored this release, along with KDEPIM 1.9.13 updated.
Feed uploading now... Done. Have fun with it. I'll edit this post when I know if it actually works.
Flashed fine... Formatted fine...
Booting now... Hello first boot process. Seems to work fine. I'll confirm after it gets into full Qtopia.
I still can't get USB to work... Anyone else confirm that it does/doesn't work? Maybe it's just my computer...
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Well the additions to the ROM seem to work good, KDEPIM runs good, don't use the cradle so can't test USB at the moment.
Zethereal is still broke same error. And the games are still missing icons. Otherwise looks great.
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Well the additions to the ROM seem to work good, KDEPIM runs good, don't use the cradle so can't test USB at the moment.
Zethereal is still broke same error. And the games are still missing icons. Otherwise looks great.
The games I didn't have time to re-do yet, unfortunatly.
You installed libglib1.2 and Zethereal still spits out an error? Because it shouldn't... Maybe try a restart (might just not be sensing the libs or something...)?
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I see every glib file from the libglib1.2 but the one stated in the error "libgcc_s.so.1"
Restart didn't help any.
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Have you made the rom more secure at all? I'm currently happy with TheKompany rom. Does this work with the 5500? I'm too lazy to flash it right now, too tired.
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The ROM is not secured any differently than the other Sharp based ROMS.
It will not work with the 5500 it is specific to the 5600.
If you do have a 5600 it's a great ROM, cleaner than the TK ROM and a little more modulare.
Jim
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Chaos:
Confirm usb sync not working for me as well. Still testing others.
Btw where is the mplayer ipkg?
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Ok, I'll see about that USB sync... I must be missing something painfully obvious...
The mplayer IPK isn't built yet. I'll try to get that one built soon though.
Zethereal is complaining about a libgcc? Why would it need something (assumably) related to gcc? Hmm, I'll have to dig into this a bit more...
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well 1.5.6 is looking pretty good
I've found some quirks with the file manager application.
clicking and holding to bring up the menu works fine ... but when you open a file as text, it just dies. Possibly becasue the mime type is only set to .txt?
I often use this method to look at files like network.opts and alot of .conf files, just to see how thier made. It's alot easier then firing up a Konsole with VI each and everytime I want to check something.
Any tips on how to fix this?
The terminal application also won't allow me to paste a string into it. I can copy from it ... but pasting won't work. I often use the file manager to find where I want to be (it's easier to see) .. then just copy/ paste the location into the terminal.
I'm also have problems connecting with a wpc11 linksys card. it's reconized, but it wont' connect to a wide open linksys default router. Not sure what's going on, but I'll explore further. I copied over my old wlang-ng.opts file but none of the entires are being reconized by the network manager. Anyone else have a problem with this card?
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Well shoot. I've been slowing customizing my 5500, and then discover the Watapon ROM with everything I was looking for.
Are there any plans for a 5500 compatible ROM? Right now, I've been considering waiting for the Trolltech ROM.
~Ceffyl
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As said many times before, this is NOT a 5500 ROM, and I don't own a 5500, so I can't really make it into one either.
The 5500 is also way too limited to have what this one has in the default config (5500s have like 8 MBs less internal flash room).
loji, I don't know how to solve those problems exactly, but I'll look into the mimetype one. I didn't even realize you can paste or copy in the terminal, so no clue on solving that one...
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I got the wireless card working fine now.....Reflashed and formatted.... I'll just have to add all my network settings manually....small price to pay for such a goood ROM
I was thinking the name of the text program has changed. Since you added this better text editor...I imagine you erased the old one. They probably went under different names...so when the filemanager tries to open the default textmanager it just dies becuase it can't find it....a symlink from the old name to the new editor should fix that I bet...
Anyone know the name and location of the default sharp texteditor.
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great stuff everything works very smooth .. but I'm noticing the battery is draining alot faster than it used to. . . Am I just crazy? I was on the net for 20 minuets or so, and had the Z on for about an hour this morning.. . but it's already down to 25% . Does doing alot of installing drain more of the battery? that's all i was doing all morning during class
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this ::: or if there is something I set wrong that is sucking the juice. I seemed to get about 2 hours of active wifi use before my battery died with my old rom.
btw: opie rotation is amazing!! First time I installed it it works fine (and from an SD card too) Veery useful to have landscape mode.
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Is the Kmail/pi the newest version? It's really unstable for me. Does anyone else use it? Whenever I try to delete anything it crashes. Delete mail, crash ... delete a mail profile, crash... etc.. It's great having it intigrated with ko/pi, but only when it works. .. . Anyone else notice this?
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great stuff everything works very smooth .. but I'm noticing the battery is draining alot faster than it used to. . . Am I just crazy? I was on the net for 20 minuets or so, and had the Z on for about an hour this morning.. . but it's already down to 25% . Does doing alot of installing drain more of the battery? that's all i was doing all morning during class
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this ::: or if there is something I set wrong that is sucking the juice. I seemed to get about 2 hours of active wifi use before my battery died with my old rom.
btw: opie rotation is amazing!! First time I installed it it works fine (and from an SD card too) Veery useful to have landscape mode.
I haven't noticed any difference in my battery life.
I get around 2.5 -3hrs with my wifi on and get around 6 without.
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Chaos,
any news for the usb fix for 1.5.6?
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arrgghhh. I'm selling my 5600 to cover the cost of a new 6000. This is a better rom than I'm getting.
trivial stuff....
X/QT works well on watapon. the xqt > pocketworkstaion hack does too... lot of fun there
There was a version of xmms, with mplayer that worked .00005, or something much like that. I'll try it out. If I rmember though mplayer would drop frames of some recordings whe called through xmms.... we'll see
Thanks for all the work.
adf.
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xmms 0000.5 works and there is a same version embedded mplayer to go wth it.
adf
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Ok, just quickly writing up a reply here to update everyone... I've been terribly busy lately. I haven't had any time to work on the ROM. I should in a few weeks though, around the beginning of winter holidays. So I'll get an updated/fixed version out then, or I should... Once again, sorry for the lack of recent work.
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Though for some reason mplayer plays back a touch too slowly. Very weird, but I bet fixable.
DrZ's works great., so it isn't the rom or the box. The mplayer (even if old) thing might be worth persuing at some point.
adf
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Chaos-
Any news on getting the current issues worked out and getting an update out?
Thanks,
Jim
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Think it would work on my 5500?
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Think it would work on my 5500?
No, this ROM is strictly for the 5600.
Jim
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Have tried it and love watapon.
I have a few questions though.
Is iptables supported? Can find iptables.
how about glibc 2.3 and libdb3.so.3 ... I am trying to run dsniff on my Z
Thanks!
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I informed Justin (aka Chaos) about the new Qtopia 2.1 relaease. I also asked him about the Watapon 1.6 release - he wrote back and told me that he is currently busy with a project and will work on the Watapon release this weekend (if he can). He thinks that Qtopia 2.1 might be (if works with 5600) part of Watapon 2.0 release.
just wanted to share with you guys.
BTW. I bought a nice leather case from Expansys (USA) tan/black color and it is for sale for 20 %off. nice staff - fits 5600 nicely.
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Thanks for the update.
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Is the Kmail/pi the newest version? It's really unstable for me. Does anyone else use it? Whenever I try to delete anything it crashes. Delete mail, crash ... delete a mail profile, crash... etc.. It's great having it intigrated with ko/pi, but only when it works. .. . Anyone else notice this?
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I did install 1.5.6 Watapon rom last night, tried the e-mail this morning and so far so good, nothing crashes. I received / sent and deleted bunch of mails and it was stable. No crashes so far. I just downloaded the 1.5.6 last weekend and am not sure if Justin has made any changes since the time you downloaded the rom from his homepage?
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I am having the connection problem with my Linksys WCF12 card and Linksys wireless router. Had no problem with theKompany.rom prior to the Watapon 1.5.6 installation. I don't think it is either the card or the router but something with the Watapon rom?
Follow up:
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Thanks to Jim, my wireless is now working. It was simple as setting the SSID and the WEP key (in addition to the domain name). I should have better notes. Note: reinstalling the rom did not make any difference. The WCF12 related entries were in the config file.
thanx again.
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Chaos:
Confirm usb sync not working for me as well. ...
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I did install the Watapon 1.5.6 last night and usb syncing is not working.
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Ok, I have a little less work for the moment...
So I'm busy trying to get some updates in. I *think* I know what went wrong with USB. And I think I can fix it. KDEPIM/Pi just release 2.0 stable, so that's going in.
And I'll see what else I can fix/etc.
If all goes well, 1.6 soon... and I'm really sorry about being away for the past like 3 months...
Addition: and on KDEPIM 2.0, I'm going to skip using the PWM at this stage, as Zsafe is smaller and more familiar to me... I mean it's a lot smaller than PWM/Pi...
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Chaos,
I've been using your 1.4.1 ROM for a few months now, and am looking forward to trying the next version 1.6. I've read talk in this post about the KDE PIM. Are you putting this in the next ROM instead of the Sharp PIMs? I've been using them since I got my Zaurus back in September, and think this would be a great addition to your ROM. Another thing I just noticed is that the player does not play OGG files. I have just started ripping my CDs to my MythTV box. After doing quite a bit of research, I decided that the OGG format would work best for me at home. Would it be possible for you to include this capability in your next ROM? Or at least let me know how to add this capability to the included player or leave the player out, so we can choose the player that works best for each of us.
Keep up the good work!!
Thanks,
Al
aka komoman
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The Sharp Media Player is already gone in 1.5.x, and KDEPIM has replaced the Sharp PIMs in 1.5.x too. Just have to get a few more things fixed before releasing 1.6 (like the annoying USB sync thing).
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I don't have a 5600 anymore, but I did like watapon. Keep an eye on the pxa optimized mplayer! it should run really nicely on watapon.
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Anything we can do to help?
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take a look at the new kino thread and the new mplayer thread..that should give you plenty of info. Also MrSquishy has mostly written an opie-sh script for use with mplayer based on his snes9x script for openzaurus, you might ask him about that, and graft it in the watapon feed or something...
I think based on this that watapon (with maybe soemwriting of a mplayer.config file? or use on one maslovsky is doing for kino (if there is no kino for the 5600 (I'm not sure if there is or not) will give watapon good media playback with point n click interface.
worth a shot, I think--if this is what you meant
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I think based on this that watapon (with maybe soemwriting of a mplayer.config file? or use on one maslovsky is doing for kino (if there is no kino for the 5600 (I'm not sure if there is or not) will give watapon good media playback with point n click interface.
worth a shot, I think--if this is what you meant
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Actualy current testing kino2 version 0.4.1 (see corresponding thread in Software) should support 5600. Give it a try and let me know how it goes.
Also, I forgot that I can pin topics in this forum, so I'll make this pinned, so that it gets more attantion
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just wanted to say i really like watapon, tried oz for a while but it had so many things i didn't like. oh and anyone know how to quickload all the pim applications? i want the pim stuff to load so much quicker than it is...
i wish i had the rotate app like in oz tho, that was a really nice feature. i would try the one found earlier in the forums, but i read it took like 30 seconds to reorient itself. curious why the server has to restart (in oz it didn't have to i'm guessing).
probably will start looking into getting fbvnc and snes emus running at some point. that is, if the usb thing could be fixed...
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well i can't really find any snes packages that aren't for oz, can anyone link me up?
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how to quickload all the pim applications? i want the pim stuff to load so much quicker than it is...
i wish i had the rotate app like in oz tho, that was a really nice feature. i would try the one found earlier in the forums, but i read it took like 30 seconds to reorient itself. curious why the server has to restart (in oz it didn't have to i'm guessing).
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To quick load apps ... just press and hold the stylus over the run icon, and you'll get a screen that allows you to quick-load that application. . *it will take longer to boot, becasue it's going to run directly into memory *
as far as the rotate app :: it's right here in this thread read through it all a few pages back, and you'll see links to the right files you need for the rotate app. (the 5600 needs the correct version of rotate to work correctly) .. I have rotate working fine on my Wapaton 1.5.6 .. it takes a short while to switch into landscape mode, but it's worth it for real surfing or reading those PDFs
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i appreciate the info on the quickload. knew about the rotate app a few pages back but decided it would probably be too slow for my use.
i'm using 1.5.6 right now...i've downloaded some ipkg but can't get them to work.. it's probably on oz file, but i can't find libsdl for sharp... is there a feed for ipkg in sharp format somewhere? i was also curious if there was any reason watapon still uses the sharp packaging system--i'm guessing oz deviated for a good cause.
EDIT: well i got snes9x working but i can't quit it... lol.
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I think OZ derviated for a good cause too. The problem is that OZ isn't stable yet, and sharp is.
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Justin and other Watapon users,
here is something I recently found: under the gwcalc, the unit conversion was not working. I had to create a softlink for the gwcalc.units which installs under the /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/gwCalc but missing under the .../PIM/...gwCalc directory.
Also, I think the "tasklist-applet_1" will be a nice addition to the 1.6 version of the Watapon.
thank you.
Zaf
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Hi,
I am using the rom since 2 month a go. And I found it amazing.
However I realized that I have a problem with my WIfi card (w12). I 've seen that this was a issue time a go.
I am using 1.5.6
Any idea how to solve it?
I have another issue:
My zaurus processor is: PXA-255
Do I should use the disabled kernel?
Thanks
Jose
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I installed the rotate application mentioned a few pages back, but I didn't like it. Is there a rotate application like the one on OZ? I am replacing an iPaq 4705. On that, I often have to rotate the screen without losing what I am working on. The rotate application previously mentioned closes any running applications and reloads the GUI. How can I rotate without closing all applications?
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Hi all. I've installed 1.4.1 & I'm having the same problems as others here with my SMC2642W cf wifi card. I'm going to upgrade to 1.5.6 (really looking forward to getting the pisync apps back :?>) & I'll report back. thks
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Hi all. I've installed 1.4.1 & I'm having the same problems as others here with my SMC2642W cf wifi card. I'm going to upgrade to 1.5.6 (really looking forward to getting the pisync apps back :?>) & I'll report back.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69442\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I've flashed 1.5.6 & have pretty promising results so far. First off, KUDOS!! Great rom. I love the default theme & the selection of packages is strong. It's so nice to have the kde pim apps again (I used them in OZ). FWIW the first thing I added were the openssh packages for remote connectivity. I added the ZUG feed, but there's no watapon feed on the ELSI yet. Anywhere else I can get stuff?
I managed to get connected with my wifi card, but only after disabling all security settings on my router & entering all non-specific settings on the Z. So that means to me it's not a driver problem. One thing I did notice though is that on the Config tab of the Network settings when I unselect Non-specific ESS-ID to enter the router's info, the only two network type selections available are Infrastructure & Ad-Hoc. IIRC I had to set the type to Managed when I was using OZ. Could that be the problem? (I'm no network wiz either, so this is just a shot in the dark )
As well, still no USB connection to speak of. Do I understand correctly that this is still an issue in 1.5.6?
thanks again
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Hey grog what problems do you have with the SMC2642 card? I have it, I have 1.4.1 and everything is working fine. It's a little quirky sometimes but it works.
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Hey grog what problems do you have with the SMC2642 card? I have it, I have 1.4.1 and everything is working fine. It's a little quirky sometimes but it works.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69488\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Hi TJRCHKA. My problem is basically what I outlined in my previous message, I have to disable WEP on my router to be able to connect. I think it might have something to do with the type selection not having managed available, but I don't know, and there's no place I can find to change that, so I'm stuck. What settings do you have on your own router that work?
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My w12 (CF wireless card) used to work with 1.5.6, How ever I needed to reboot everyonce in a while in order to maintain it working. I do not know why, but the w12 make my Z semi-freeze, the screen images startsd for example to desapeard, like vanished. I just needed to eject the w12, an the Z cames to live again.
I believed that was a matter of modile-kernel, since I have a pxa 255, so now I am using watapon 1.5.6 but with the original kernel.
And my Z is working much better. It does not freeze, and thew12 is working better ( is not respoonding as use to do it with the original rom, but almost )
So may be the problem with the 1.5.6 and wireless card only appears in the Z with pxa 255.
Hope this help
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Hey grog I have this in my router settings:
Enable IEEE 128 bit Shared Key security
then a 26 digit password, which I have in the zaurus. I also have them corresponding in terms of channels. I also use a name for my router.
These are the setting I have in the zaurus:
config:
uncheck non-spec EDD-ID: the name of my router here
network type: infrastructure
[if you want to change your channel, just put network type ad-hoc, and then you can change the channel to match your router]
tehn WEP:
which is the 26 hex (I made it all numbers)
authentication : open system
everything else auto.
Try those settings let me know
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My w12 (CF wireless card) used to work with 1.5.6, How ever I needed to reboot everyonce in a while in order to maintain it working. I do not know why, but the w12 make my Z semi-freeze, the screen images startsd for example to desapeard, like vanished. I just needed to eject the w12, an the Z cames to live again.
I believed that was a matter of modile-kernel, since I have a pxa 255, so now I am using watapon 1.5.6 but with the original kernel.
And my Z is working much better. It does not freeze, and thew12 is working better ( is not respoonding as use to do it with the original rom, but almost )
So may be the problem with the 1.5.6 and wireless card only appears in the Z with pxa 255.
Hope this help
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I have 5600 with pxa 250 and the same Linksys CF card running against a Linksys router (B/G compatible) and having no problems at all. Actually, if I am connected and I turn the Z off and then back on, the connection is there This is watapon 1.5.6 rom.
Zaf.
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Hey grog I have this in my router settings:
[...snip...]
Try those settings let me know
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I've gone through the hoops one more time with no joy ;(. Tried exactly what you have, reentered my WEP key several times to make sure no mistakes, but the only thing that works is when I diable WEP on the router (a Netgear MR814 in case that makes any diff) and leave all the Z's settings on auto. I'm not going to leave my network unsecured, but it's frustrating having to disable everthing just to connect my Z.
On another topic (USB), I tried running this script that I used under OZ 'cause the latest rom has a bug that it loses it's USB connectivity so you have to reload the network modules:
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/rmmod pxa_bi
/sbin/rmmod net_fd
/sbin/rmmod usbdcore
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/kernel/drivers/usb/device/usbdcore.o
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/kernel/drivers/usb/device/net_fd/net_fd.o
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/kernel/drivers/usb/device/bi/pxa_bi.oWell I didn't really think it would work with a sharp-bsed rom, and it doesn't, but after I run this my w2k box at least recognizes that the Z is there (the USB tray icon shows up), but I still can't connect (& AFAIK I haven't changed any settings that allowed me to connect with the sharp rom). Does that at least give anybody any clues as to what might be going on with this problem?
thanks again.
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Try using 64 bit WEP instead of 128. I use 64 on many Aps and haven't had any lasting problems. .
A 128 bit hex key of all numbers is less secure than a 64 bit alphanumeric key.
If all else fails you should be able to use iwconfig to set up everything, although You'll need the wireless-tools ipk installed.
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Try using 64 bit WEP instead of 128. I use 64 on many Aps and haven't had any lasting problems. .
A 128 bit hex key of all numbers is less secure than a 64 bit alphanumeric key.
If all else fails you should be able to use iwconfig to set up everything, although You'll need the wireless-tools ipk installed.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69791\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Hey loji. Tried that, same story. What I've finally done is to disable WEP on the router & just set up a MAC address access list. Not really that secure, but it's something until I can figure out this problem.
I really like this rom, especially with the inclusion of the kde pim, but this & the lack of USB connectivity may eventually be the show stoppers to get me to move elsewhere. Not about to give up yet, so if somebody has more suggestions then please fire them my way. I'll keep hammering at it too & let yah know if I come up with something.
Thanks again for the help.
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what kind of router was it again? ?
if you do an iwconfig after running the network applet... does it show the parameters have been changed?
what happens if you set a static IP instead of trying to use DHCP: : sometimes wep interferes with getting assigned an IP within the timeout period.
if none of that is still working .... check for any new drivers, or switch drivers ..(from prisms to hostap or something)
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Try using 64 bit WEP instead of 128. I use 64 on many Aps and haven't had any lasting problems. .
A 128 bit hex key of all numbers is less secure than a 64 bit alphanumeric key.
If all else fails you should be able to use iwconfig to set up everything, although You'll need the wireless-tools ipk installed.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69791\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Hey loji. Tried that, same story. What I've finally done is to disable WEP on the router & just set up a MAC address access list. Not really that secure, but it's something until I can figure out this problem.
I really like this rom, especially with the inclusion of the kde pim, but this & the lack of USB connectivity may eventually be the show stoppers to get me to move elsewhere. Not about to give up yet, so if somebody has more suggestions then please fire them my way. I'll keep hammering at it too & let yah know if I come up with something.
Thanks again for the help.
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Justin is currently working on the 1.6 release which will (hopefully) fix the syncing problem. In his email he says it is in his to do list for this weekend (3/12/05)
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Justin is currently working on the 1.6 release which will (hopefully) fix the syncing problem. In his email he says it is in his to do list for this weekend (3/12/05)[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69939\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Now that would be fantastic!! And much appreciated. Maybe he should start a new thread for the new version, though. This one is getting kinda long .
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what kind of router was it again? ?
Netgear MR814 (b-class)
if you do an iwconfig after running the network applet... does it show the parameters have been changed?
I installed wireless-tools (version 25). Is this (http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html) the right page for instructions? I'll have more time on the weekend to go over the basics so I can figure out how to use it.
what happens if you set a static IP instead of trying to use DHCP: : sometimes wep interferes with getting assigned an IP within the timeout period.
I can't seem to get it connected when specifying a static ip, only when I leave it at dynamic. Not a biggy 'cause i already have the router set to give that MAC the same ip all the time, but i should be able to if I needed.
if none of that is still working .... check for any new drivers, or switch drivers ..(from prisms to hostap or something)[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=69849\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I think I asked that question before. How do I specify a different driver? IIRC there was a CF applet in 1.4.1, but not in 1.5.6.
I'll report back after I've had time to play with iwconfig. thks
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Great work on Watapon, it is everything Ive been looking for..
I had a 5000d a few years ago but I broke the screen on it and I have been Zaursless for almost 2 years now.. I picked up a 5600 off ebay for a steal at $202, I used to use OZ so I flashed that from the get go but was very disapointed in how unstable it still is and how it has since split and wasent compatible with the tkc apps I had for my 5500..
I just flashed 1.5.6 and all i can say is WOW, very clean and stable.. I think i'll stick with Watapon even tho usb syncing isint working.. I can live with moving everything over by hand via my flash writer until 1.6 comes out.. ive got 2 CF wifi cards now, I wonder if I can set up my old Z as a wireless router so I can get on the network still here at home..
I installed kino2 on my Z and it works very well, if it'll fit it would make an excellent default media player..
http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/kino.html (http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/kino.html)
-dreadlocks
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Chaos, I hope you dont mind but I added Watapon to the embeded linux software index..
http://www.elsix.org/index.php (http://www.elsix.org/index.php) or directly to http://www.elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=Watapon_5600 (http://www.elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=Watapon_5600)
I'll be happy to maintain it for you, but if you want controll of the listing then just email me and I'll give you my login (you can change the login and registration info afterwords
finding out about this project took alot of digging. so maby this will make it easier for other people to find it
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Hi all. Haven't had any time to get my wifi woes solved yet, but I'm wondering if anybody has managed to get usb connecivity working with watapon at all, which is actually a hotter topic for me at the moment? I know that chaos had mentioned that it might be solved with version 1.6, but anything we can do now? thks
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I'll be happy to maintain it for you, but if you want controll of the listing then just email me and I'll give you my login (you can change the login and registration info afterwords
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It really doesn't matter to me who maintains that listing. If you feel comfortable doing it, go ahead.
Hi all. Haven't had any time to get my wifi woes solved yet, but I'm wondering if anybody has managed to get usb connecivity working with watapon at all, which is actually a hotter topic for me at the moment? I know that chaos had mentioned that it might be solved with version 1.6, but anything we can do now? thks
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The USB will be solved in 1.6. I couldn't figure out what the heck I did to mess it up in the first place, so I'm going back to an older rootfs and redoing the changes from one where it worked. Since I know what does and doesn't work (this is one before I started messing around really heavily from 1.4.x), it should be a cleaner ROM than the later 1.5.x ones. And it should be released Friday (maybe early Saturday), because I have that day off.
I know I keep delaying things, but I keep getting more and more work to do from school... It's really slowed down everything else I do. But this time is for real. I have a 2.5 or so week vacation after one last day.
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..., but I'm wondering if anybody has managed to get usb connecivity working with watapon at all, which is actually a hotter topic for me at the moment? I know that chaos had mentioned that it might be solved with version 1.6, but anything we can do now? thks
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The USB will be solved in 1.6.
[...snip...]
I know I keep delaying things, but I keep getting more and more work to do from school... [div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=71052\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Hey man, no need to apologize. I know I can speak for all of us watapon users that you're doing a great job, it's a really cool rom. Look forward to the update when you can get to it. thks
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1.6 is completed and the tar file is uploading now (when I post, it's finished ). I'll update the IPKs and website tomorrow or later tonight if I get bored.
http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapo...5600_1.6.tar.gz (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/files/watapon_SL5600_1.6.tar.gz)
It works, it works well, and the USB works. If you run into any other problems (OTHER THAN IPK PROBLEMS! Report IPK problems once I fix what I know is broken tomorrow!) please say so!
And dreadlocks, please hold off on updating that ELSI info until I fix up the IPKs and website.
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Webpage updated.
Feed partially updated. I'll be doing some more work on the feed over the next two weeks, when I get the chance to SSH into my machine at home (I'm going to be on vacation ).
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Thanks Chaos for all your work on this ROM!
I have installed 1.6 but am having trouble syncing with the KDE PIM. From the PC everything looks great, and the sync seems to work, says items are sent, but on the Zaurus, nothing shows up in Ko/Pi or or KA/Pi. I try to use the sync to Sharp DTM in Ko/Pi, but that seems to do nothing.
Am I doing something wrong? Anyone else having the same results?
Thanks!
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Yes, thanks for the ROM!!
I installed it, however I still having problems with the wireless card (sometines does not work, sometimes works but crash the Z etc etc) and also the email progrma does not starts.
I f I can help in something just tell me
Thanks again for all what you do for us
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Installed here too. USB! USB WORKS!! kewl. Thanks chaos!! Installed the openssh ipk's & they work just fine too. Will report any problems. thks
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great work once again, any hope on getting a working zethereal ipk?
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Hi,
OMPi was not working becuase it needs openssl, I installed it and it is working fine.
Hope helps
jmp
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having a problem with my linksys WCF12 card ...
I updated to the 1.6 ROM ... formated and flashed anew ::: But whenI put in my CF wireless card it isn't showing me the network applett.
ifconfig shows nothing
iwconfig shows etho has no wifi extensions.
cardctl status shows the card is suspended
cardctl resume flashes the light for 1/2 a second, then it goes back into suspend immediatly
cardctl reset doesn't change anything
i checked /etc/wlang-ng.conf and it's got the correct settings there for my card.
System app shows that the prism2_cs and prism drivers have been loaded.
Very very strange ::: Anyone know why this might be happening? The card worked fine before I updated the ROM. . Anyone else have this problem?
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I found that kopi needs to have another package to get the Sharp DTM to work. The executable that it tries to use is called "db2file", but I couldn't find it anywhere on the net. I did however find that there is a package called "zdbat" that you can install and then rename zdbat as db2file and the calendar sync then works.
You can get zdbat from:
http://tbox.jpn.org/wiki/linuzau/wiki.cgi?zdbat (http://tbox.jpn.org/wiki/linuzau/wiki.cgi?zdbat)
This appears to be web page from Japan, but there are download links near to bottom. Alternatively, you can do a google search for zdbat.
Once you install the package, you'll need to get a shell on the Zaurus, cd to /home/QtPalmtop/bin, and run "ln -s zdbat db2file".
I still haven't figured out how to get anything other than the Calendar sync'ed with Windows and Outlook yet.
Of course now you have to sync with the PC and then you have to tell KO/PI to sync with DTM. Too bad we couldn't get back to a one step process. At the moment, the greatly improved KO/PI interface over the builtin calendar justifies the extra work...
-David
Thanks Chaos for all your work on this ROM!
I have installed 1.6 but am having trouble syncing with the KDE PIM. From the PC everything looks great, and the sync seems to work, says items are sent, but on the Zaurus, nothing shows up in Ko/Pi or or KA/Pi. I try to use the sync to Sharp DTM in Ko/Pi, but that seems to do nothing.
Am I doing something wrong? Anyone else having the same results?
Thanks!
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Hi,
OMPi was not working becuase it needs openssl, I installed it and it is working fine.
Hope helps
jmp
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Yep, it was useful - thanx. Downloaded libssl0.9.7b from killdefiz.
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I started repacking some of the programs I use the most. Some software that gave me issues installing on Watapon, They "should" install and operate seamlessly now. I have also included some of the offical repacks done by chaos. Most of the repacks are nothing more than a cleaner version of the original so they integrate with watapon nicer, while a few I created from scratch to make life easy.
My "Unoffical" Watapon Feed is at
http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed (http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed)
I havent tested every singe repack as of right now but I will later tonight. If there isint a repack then the original installs perfectly with no need for modification, forward any comments or problems to my email..
I have created packages for the missing db2file, the missing libssl, a fixed version of rotate, and best of all is nano and libncurses5 packages amongst other things
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Hi,
OMPi was not working becuase it needs openssl, I installed it and it is working fine.
Hope helps
jmp
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=71737\")
My mistake. I forgot the SSL libs. They're added in 1.6.1, which should finish uploading in 5 minutes. I'll upload the webpage with the updated links then.
I started repacking some of the programs I use the most. Some software that gave me issues installing on Watapon, They "should" install and operate seamlessly now. I have also included some of the offical repacks done by chaos. Most of the repacks are nothing more than a cleaner version of the original so they integrate with watapon nicer, while a few I created from scratch to make life easy.
My "Unoffical" Watapon Feed is at
[a href=\"http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed]http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed[/url]
I havent tested every singe repack as of right now but I will later tonight. If there isint a repack then the original installs perfectly with no need for modification, forward any comments or problems to my email..
I have created packages for the missing db2file, the missing libssl, a fixed version of rotate, and best of all is nano and libncurses5 packages amongst other things
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=72589\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Cool! I'll have to look at those! I'll probably add a link on Watapon's page when I get back home in early April.
Edit: You appear to be after my job! Many thanks, you've saved me much work, especially on the kino2 and mplayer repacks. Thank you very much.
having a problem with my linksys WCF12 card ...
I updated to the 1.6 ROM ... formated and flashed anew ::: But whenI put in my CF wireless card it isn't showing me the network applett.
ifconfig shows nothing
iwconfig shows etho has no wifi extensions.
cardctl status shows the card is suspended
cardctl resume flashes the light for 1/2 a second, then it goes back into suspend immediatly
cardctl reset doesn't change anything
i checked /etc/wlang-ng.conf and it's got the correct settings there for my card.
System app shows that the prism2_cs and prism drivers have been loaded.
Very very strange :::Â Anyone know why this might be happening? The card worked fine before I updated the ROM. . Anyone else have this problem?
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You have added a network connection in the Network Settings program, right? The network applet won't appear until you have. And the network applet is now in the subapplet tray, to save space.
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nice, I updated the project on elsi..
if you have room may I suggest adding qpesearch and the brigtness applet to the next rom image (both are in my feed)
and some ideas for when you fork off 1.7..
hostap instead of wlan-ng?, without hostap I cant connect to the WPA encrypted wlan @ work.
5600 special kernel v1.3 from zug, (wireless extentions and overclocking)
Im not after your job... Not yet anywase :-P But if you do have anything on your to-do list relating to software dev let me know.. Soon I plan on getting a dev environment working so I can compile some tools for Watapon (like zethereal, python-libgmail & gmailfs). Feel free to link my feed or steal some of my repacks.
-nayr
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<--- Completely re-f**Cking-tarded
lOL Sorry man :: I didn't check the extended taskbar
feeling a little newb this morning :::
Dreadlocks niiiice feed ... thank you
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Hi,
I newbie at Zaurus World. A few days ago I test OZ 3.5.3 at my poodle and I had many problems cos Sharp Camera not works, mplayer play divx files so slowly...
Today I flash to Watapon 1.6.1 and I very very surprised. All that things runs perfect!!! Thanks Chaos for this ROM and Thank dreadlocks for feed.
I wish help you! But I don't know how.
On the other hand, I have a question for you cos at OZ I get a script to move root filesystem to SD Card. How can I solve storage problems at Watapon? Can I install all the new packeges at SD Card without problems.
Thanks.
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Hi,
I newbie at Zaurus World. A few days ago I test OZ 3.5.3 at my poodle and I had many problems cos Sharp Camera not works, mplayer play divx files so slowly...
Today I flash to Watapon 1.6.1 and I very very surprised. All that things runs perfect!!! Thanks Chaos for this ROM and Thank dreadlocks for feed.
I wish help you! But I don't know how.
On the other hand, I have a question for you cos at OZ I get a script to move root filesystem to SD Card. How can I solve storage problems at Watapon? Can I install all the new packeges at SD Card without problems.
Thanks.
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You should be able to install most (all?) ipks to the SD card.
There is no way to make / or /home on the SD, not without heavy work. It's not worth it, in my opinion.
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Ok. Thanks!
At this moment I'm very very happy with this ROM. The most things I need runs perfect!
Now I'll try to install Apache + Php + MySQL.
Why these packages not in feed?
Can I have my own feed?
What is the future for this ROM?
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They arent in the feed because I dont need them personally..
I'll throw them in my feed today but I wont have a chance to test them out for a while since my dsl is down for the next week while I move to a new house..
If anyone thinks something should be added to the feed pls email me and I will be happy to do it..
I know chaos is currently working on adding the new KDE/Pi version to an upcoming 1.6.2 release, and I am working on a host-ap package but I dont expect it to be ready until after this semester. All in all I dont see a lot of changes, just sime minor tweaks here and there.
-dreadlocks
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Packages Added, I have no idea if they work or not so let me know. I created the apache package with little more than the binary and as far as I know its the only package with php5
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Hey dreadlocks thanks for packages!!
MySQL runs ok but Apache says "error loading share library: libexpat.so.1"
I download libexpat.so to my Z and I do symbolic link to /root/usr/lib and /usr/lib with ".1" but I get the same error. I don't know zaurus filesystems.
What do you mean with "repack" a package?
Thanks!
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try this ipk and let me know if it works (so I can add it to my feed)
http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0....95.7-r0_arm.ipk (http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/base/libexpat-bin_1.95.7-r0_arm.ipk)
repacks I have not compiled anything, I usally unpack it and change the directories arround if need be, remove any help files (help browser removed in watapon), change the icon and application description.. I perfer the way chaos dosent specifically name the program icons.. eg, Opera is called webbrowser and ZSafe is password manager.. I do the same for like ZBedic is Dictionary.. also Watapon does not have the same default tabs as the Sharp rom so I re-organize icon locations to be more logical.. most of the stuff is cosmetic specific to Watapon.
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When I try to install the ipk I get next error:
zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file
ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from libexpat-bin_1.95.7-r0_arm.ipk
On the other hand, I can't install Apache, MySQL, Openssh, etc directly on the sd card. Can I move it then? How?
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Hi!
I have the latest Watapon. After install fbvnc server and zlib, connecting to my SL5600 causes it to freeze!
Please help/advice.
Thx in adv!!
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Ok. Thanks!
At this moment I'm very very happy with this ROM. The most things I need runs perfect!
Now I'll try to install Apache + Php + MySQL.
Why these packages not in feed?
Can I have my own feed?
What is the future for this ROM?
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dreadlocks provided you with the packages, so I'll skip to the other questions...
They aren't in the feed, because I don't use them. The feed I maintain only has the packages I use in it. I believe it's more or less the same with dreadlocks' feed, but I think he may have more time to devote to packing IPKs than I, since he seems open to some requests.
If you feel like making your own feed, go ahead... But I doubt anyone would do it for you.
Watapon doesn't have much of a direction that it's heading at the moment. The major plans are to keep 1.6.x mostly up to date, with semi-frequent updates, when new versions of programs (such as KDEPIM/Pi) are released. The larger picture is to eventually swap over to Qtopia 2.1, but that's bound to take a LOT of work, so it'll be the summer at least before I work on that.
When I try to install the ipk I get next error:
zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file
ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from libexpat-bin_1.95.7-r0_arm.ipk
On the other hand, I can't install Apache, MySQL, Openssh, etc directly on the sd card. Can I move it then? How?
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Oops, it's an ar package, not a tar.gz package!
Try this one, which I simply repacked as a tar.gz IPK. [a href=\"http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/stuff/libexpat-bin_1.95.7-r0_arm.ipk]http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca/stuff/libexp...95.7-r0_arm.ipk[/url]
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Sorry!! I know I'm very slow but I don't get it.
It shows the same error. I try to untar the file manually but in the result files I don't find the lib, only a binary file xmlwf.
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just got internet back at my house, i'll take a look at it this weekend and try to have it fixed for ya
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Hi!
I'm a OZ user and I decided to give a try to Watapon.
It looks very good and everything is working fine. Anyway I have two questions:
-How come that the / partitions is almost empty? In the OZ is almost full with aproximately the same amount of software.
-I installed Media Player package from Watapon feed. The problem is that all the options from Media Player menu are deactivated. This way I can't play anything. Am I doing anything wrong?
Thank you
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Hi!
I'm a OZ user and I decided to give a try to Watapon.
It looks very good and everything is working fine. Anyway I have two questions:
-How come that the / partitions is almost empty? In the OZ is almost full with aproximately the same amount of software.
-I installed Media Player package from Watapon feed. The problem is that all the options from Media Player menu are deactivated. This way I can't play anything. Am I doing anything wrong?
Thank you
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1. The true / partition is almost stuffed, but it read-only, like all Sharp-based ROMs, so what you're seeing is the almost-empty nature of the /home partition.
2. I suggest using Kino2 from dreadlocks' feed as a media player.
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Hi!
I'm a OZ user and I decided to give a try to Watapon.
It looks very good and everything is working fine. Anyway I have two questions:
-How come that the / partitions is almost empty? In the OZ is almost full with aproximately the same amount of software.
-I installed Media Player package from Watapon feed. The problem is that all the options from Media Player menu are deactivated. This way I can't play anything. Am I doing anything wrong?
Thank you
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1. The true / partition is almost stuffed, but it read-only, like all Sharp-based ROMs, so what you're seeing is the almost-empty nature of the /home partition.
2. I suggest using Kino2 from dreadlocks' feed as a media player.
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Hi!
Thanks for the info.
Is [a href=\"http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed/]http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/feed/[/url] the dreadlocks feed?
If it is, it is not working (23:00 GMT 2005-04-28).
If its another, can anybody tell me?
Thanks
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yes that is my feed and its working fine for me.. im trying to get it hosted at elsix but have not heard back
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yes that is my feed and its working fine for me.. im trying to get it hosted at elsix but have not heard back
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Hi!
Now its working for me. I tryed yesteday and I coudn't access it.
Thank you very much
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Hi guys,
I have been using watapon 1.6 (with updates). I am not really a KOPI user/fan and want to "cleanly" remove it from Watapon. Any suggestion which files to remove.
I have the original Sharp PIM ipk, and like to use it for it's simplicity. Can ftp or email it to anyone needs it.
thanx a million.
Zaf
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Hi guys,
I have been using watapon 1.6 (with updates). I am not really a KOPI user/fan and want to "cleanly" remove it from Watapon. Any suggestion which files to remove.
I have the original Sharp PIM ipk, and like to use it for it's simplicity. Can ftp or email it to anyone needs it.
thanx a million.
Zaf
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In simple terms... No, there's no way to remove it*. It was one of the things majorly requested back under 1.4.x/earlier... So it's in 1.6. I had to choose who to please, so I chose the one that'd please me the most.
* You'd have to dig into the read-only part of the FS to truely remove it. Just removing the icons, and deleting the symlinks for the alarm apple in /home/QtPalmtop/plugins/applets/ is the best way to remove all appearance of it...
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Hi guys,
I have been using watapon 1.6 (with updates). I am not really a KOPI user/fan and want to "cleanly" remove it from Watapon. Any suggestion which files to remove.
I have the original Sharp PIM ipk, and like to use it for it's simplicity. Can ftp or email it to anyone needs it.
thanx a million.
Zaf
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In simple terms... No, there's no way to remove it*. It was one of the things majorly requested back under 1.4.x/earlier... So it's in 1.6. I had to choose who to please, so I chose the one that'd please me the most.
* You'd have to dig into the read-only part of the FS to truely remove it. Just removing the icons, and deleting the symlinks for the alarm apple in /home/QtPalmtop/plugins/applets/ is the best way to remove all appearance of it...
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You think maybe it would be possible remove all PIMS to an IPKG and let the user then choose which PIM they'd like? You can then use the extra room to add say.... Bluetooth. Just my two cents. I'm back to 1.4 after failing miserably to get 1.6 to sync.
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ppl, is there any ebook reader to recomend? Thanks.
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Hey everyone, I've been thinking I love my Zaurus 5600 with the Watapon ROM (Made it more useful-thanks again Chaos for all your help [wifi problems especially] ).
Its more of a hobby tool for me, but I don't have any time for it.
I would like to unload my Zaurus 5600 with the pxa 250 processor.
[Moderated. Please, post this info in "For Sale/Wanted" forum]
TJ
Again thanks Chaos for the tech support and your hard work on the Watapon ROM.
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I got problem using the wifi connection. Using a d-link DCF-660W with a linksys wireless router. I can't connect when I choose to off my ssid broadcast and idea why?
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but i have 3-4 pages to go and don't want to forget about it.
I found that using non letters in the ssid keeps it from connecting. well using a ' does it. Im guessing at other characters. make your ssid short and simple and keep adding things to it until it stops working.
my ssid was something like "bob'splace". When i changed it to "bobsplace" it worked great..
again sorry if this is a dupe. I just didn't want to forget to post the info.
Also, while im at it, are you still taking requests for ipkg feeds? If so, can you get rdesktop to work with your distro? I think it would be very handy for general running around the building type network troubleshooting, which is what im building my zaurus to be.
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shew make that about 13 pages to go.. brain fried now. But, I didn't see a iron clad resolution to your problem so check your ssid.
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the ' is going to throw it off, any characters that are used by the shell for various reasons are going to need to need a \ infront of..
if your ssid is "bob'splace" then try entering this "bob\'splace"
if you go to console you will note if you type:
$ echo bob'spl'ace
bobsplace
it dosent echo the '
however if you type:
$ echo bob\'spl\'ace
bob'spl'aceit does echo the '
just added a qtrdesktop repack to my feed, havent tested it out.. let me know if it needs any libraries..
-dreadlocks
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the ' is going to throw it off, any characters that are used by the shell for various reasons are going to need to need a \ infront of..
Doh. Forgot everthing goes through the shell in *nix... well i guess it does in windows also but its alot less obvious. that will work except its not letting me type the \ in the ssid window. Ehh no biggy. It didn't work in the plain sharp rom either.
Thanks for the qtrdestop. Works great. Although, I cannot tell you if it needs libraries since I have been trying to manually install some librarys to get some other progs to work (Zethereal and opie reader specifically... without success unfortunately)
opie reader will run but it has no icons or menu pics. There is an issue with the libpng.
libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.9
libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.2.5
libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library
QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image reader
over and over about 50 times. I was getting a zlib error but i manually installed the libs and its not complaining anymore.
zethereal blows up good though. the ipk and the gz files appear to be corrupt on the main site. I cant seem to get all the libraries.
zethereal: error while loading shared libraries: libglib-1.2.so.0: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory
On a side note. how do you repackage ipk files? i have just been opening them up in winrar and extracting files.
Thanks again for the rdesktop. i finally got the "Holy S***" i was digging for from the sysadmin today .
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see http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/bin/ (http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/bin/) for the scripts I use.
ya I had problems with zethereal as well, and I think chaos tried to get it working as well and had the same issue..
it is definatly on my to-do list, semester is almost over (last final on monday) then I should be able to find the time to get the following packages for watapon: zethereal, hostap, wellenreiter
you need a version of opie-reader compiled aginst libpng 1.2.5, I dont have time right now but once I get my development environment working I should be able to compile it for watapon.
-dreadlocks
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see http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/bin/ (http://www.nayr.net/zaurus/bin/) for the scripts I use.
ya I had problems with zethereal as well, and I think chaos tried to get it working as well and had the same issue..
it is definatly on my to-do list, semester is almost over (last final on monday) then I should be able to find the time to get the following packages for watapon: zethereal, hostap, wellenreiter
you need a version of opie-reader compiled aginst libpng 1.2.5, I dont have time right now but once I get my development environment working I should be able to compile it for watapon.
-dreadlocks
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I think the read permission is not set for the files in the url.
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Is anyone syncing to anything with Watapon ROM installed? Please relate your experiences, if so.
What I want to do is sync to iCal and Addressbook, mostly, bi-directionaly. With the old PIMs I could sync with Outlook, then sync my Palm with Outlook, then sync my Palm with the Mac. It was round about, but it worked great.
Now, I can't seem to find any way to sync KA/pi or KO/pi with even a Windows PC at all. I guess I'm just missing something?
Please help! Thanks!
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Is anyone syncing to anything with Watapon ROM installed? Please relate your experiences, if so.
What I want to do is sync to iCal and Addressbook, mostly, bi-directionaly. With the old PIMs I could sync with Outlook, then sync my Palm with Outlook, then sync my Palm with the Mac. It was round about, but it worked great.
Now, I can't seem to find any way to sync KA/pi or KO/pi with even a Windows PC at all. I guess I'm just missing something?
Please help! Thanks!
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I'm working on getting a way of syncing KO/pi and KA/pi with OS X. It might not be perfect, but it should at least provide a basic structure to syncing it all. Although it may take some time...
And 1.6.2 is taking much more time than intended...
KDEPIM/Pi keeps getting bigger and bigger... I need to remove something from 1.6.2 to even fit Kopi/Kapi/Ompi... Might remove Zeditor to an IPK...
Or just make the PIM user-installable (Sharp or KDEPIM) and use the 3 or so freed up megs for some real useful stuff.
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Next stable release may be 1.8 with the optional PIM. I'll see how large a change it is, overall.
So, start suggesting 3-4 megs worth of software to fit into where the PIM was.
Preferably stuff almost everyone uses/should use.
Addition: Apparently I have 4115104 bytes of space in the raw initrd.bin...
And the initrd's size is 18953568...
The raw (uncompressed) root is... 36802560
So there's a fair bit of space for things in there. Maybe 6 uncompressed megs?
Current list of things being considered for inclusion in the next release (with optional PIMs):
openssh-client
nano + ncurses5
bzip2
rotation
opie-sh
brightnessapplet
qpdf2
(Oh yes, by the way dreadlocks, the jeode in your feed - is it a newer version or something? Because if it is, that'll replace the older one.)
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My humble opinion,
- nano + ncurses5 - Should make a nice suppliment to VI. Might VI be replaced with VIM?
- bzip2 - I'm for this either included or as an IPKG. I always install it, but that's just me.
- rotation - Very much for this. Will all the needed fonts be installed as well?
- opie-sh - No coments, used it a few times, and removed it.
- brightnessapplet - Much for it.
- qpdf2 - Much for it.
- How about Bluez? I guess the lack of a fully functional GUI config tool makes this harder to justify.
- All the libopie stuff. Not sure if that's in to some extent, but I'm certain I had to install some additional opie libs to get Wellenreiter (SP?) to launch. It didn't work, but it launched after the extra lib install.
- Voice Recorder to IPK. I use it, but am willing to have it moved to an IPK in favor of another app.
- Opie-Today - Good app which I never got to work properly from the feed, probably my fault. ;-)
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I got that version of jeode off the ZUG site, its distributed by Sharp for the 3.10 ROM and works flawlessly on watapon.
I think we should only add apps that enhance the basic features for everyone, stuff like nano, bzip2, opiesh, jeode should be kept on a feed (they are on mine btw) and installed by those who specifically use them..
programs that would better watapon being installed by default are:
brightness applet
rotation
qpdf2
maby kino2 and mplayer, proably not
im trying to get my feed moved to the watapon project elsix, if I can get it before the release I think it would be good to have it as a default feed in watapon
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dreadlocks - I'm perfectly happy having your feed as the main one. In fact, if you want to do that exclusively, excepting maybe a few things like the user-choosable PIM, I'd be happy.
And on another note, having feeds pre-added doesn't seem to work.. :< It at least has some issues. But I'll definitely link heavily to that feed on this next release.
CURRENT LIST OF TO-ADD STUFF (? = unsure/maybe):
qpdf2
nano + ncurses5
brightness applet
rotation
bzip2
opie-sh
kismet? (many people use it - heavily worth it if one has a wireless network card - which many, many people seem to)
Wellenreiter? (if not kismet, then this? Never used it myself, but if anyone can provide some evidence that it's better than kismet...)
NeIC? (IRC - might be worth it, if enough people who use Watapon use IRC...)
And on the voice recorder to IPK... 1) It's not that large. 2) Only if I run out of room. Remember, trying to FILL space, not SAVE it currently.
(Maybe I should look into Qtopia 2.1? In fact, if everyone's ok being at 1.6.1 for a bit, I think I shall. Maybe build a ROM more or less ground-up, instead of a modification off of Sharp 1.32. )
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IrDA not working:
I've got my SL5600 with Watapon 1.6. Great rom! I like it very much, and prefer it over OZ/GPE and OZ/OPIE.
Anyways, I can't get the IrDA to work properly. If I go into "Send/Receive" and enable Infrared, my W2K computer "sees" the device come up. If i try to send a file to it, it fails. same this for the other way around.
I've also tried to send or receive something from my Sony Clié t615c, same problem.
Any clues? What can I check to run some tests and pinpoint the problem?
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IrDA not working:
I've got my SL5600 with Watapon 1.6. Great rom! I like it very much, and prefer it over OZ/GPE and OZ/OPIE.
Anyways, I can't get the IrDA to work properly. If I go into "Send/Receive" and enable Infrared, my W2K computer "sees" the device come up. If i try to send a file to it, it fails. same this for the other way around.
I've also tried to send or receive something from my Sony Clié t615c, same problem.
Any clues? What can I check to run some tests and pinpoint the problem?
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Watapon is indeed a great rom.. kudos to chao!!
.. I also having the same problem with Irda.. whenever I try to send some files from my PC, winxp gives this error msg "no connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.." I have enabled the Irda on my poodle..
Same when I try to beam my cellphone(siemen sl65) with it..
..however, I have no problem with the Irda previously while I was on Opie and Sharp Rom..
Can anyone advice if there is any settings to be make??
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Might be some specific bug... I'll work on it as I work on getting Qtopia 2.1.1 compiled.
But I have a quick suggestion to try first... Disable any fastloaded programs (especially KDEPIM/Pi), and then try. I have a couple more ideas if that doesn't work too.
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Might be some specific bug... I'll work on it as I work on getting Qtopia 2.1.1 compiled.
But I have a quick suggestion to try first... Disable any fastloaded programs (especially KDEPIM/Pi), and then try. I have a couple more ideas if that doesn't work too.
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Hi Chaos..
Nope.. the irda still won't work. I have disabled all fastload. Is there anything else I can try??
..by the way.. I email you about this Irda problem sometimes back..
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Sorry, but I'm out of ideas...
Like I said, once I get Qtopia 2.1.1 under way, I may be able to find the root of the problem..
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Chaos: Do you know if there are ways I could go around and test the functionality of each piece of the puzzle for the IrDA?
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Actually, after reading up on Qtopia 2.1.1, it might not be such a great thing to use. No mail program (which isn't a huge deal...), and no IR support in the free version (which, judging by the recent problems with IR, is more of a required thing)...
So I'm considering trying Opie 1.2 instead. I don't know yet, and I probably won't have much to show for it for a month or so. But Opie 1.2 looks so good... And if I do things right, it should be able to retain it's compatibility with most other Zaurus apps, unlike the hoops you have to jump through for OZ. And for those who want Qtopia still, I can probably continue to do some light maintenance on a default Qtopia version, with the original PIMs, if that's what people want.
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So far with OPIE, I'm building it on my dev machine... Once it finishes, I'll start working on the cross-compiling part of the whole ordeal, although I can't find any set in stone instructions on precisely how I can do that. But I'll figure it out, or find something somewhere. OPIE looks pretty easy. QT/E not quite so much... It's probably just a couple ./configure switches to set. And then the hard part comes in the form of actually putting together a bootable ROM image, and seeing if THAT works.
OPIE is a very sexy GUI, mind you, which is why I've decided to use it...
Might as well start a mini feature list...
*Opie 1.2
*Most of the core Opie programs
*Opera 7.55 (since it's a great browser)
*Most of the programs added to the Qtopia 1.5 Watapon image
*Probably Opie's PIM, since KDEPIM is getting rather massive... Or maybe IPKs of both
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Opie on Watapon would be a fantastic combination. Not least because opie can rotate the display on the fly !
Are there any parts of the testing that you want to spin off to the rest of us lemmings?
BTW -does anyone think that we need a new thread???
So far with OPIE, I'm building it on my dev machine... Once it finishes, I'll start working on the cross-compiling part of the whole ordeal, although I can't find any set in stone instructions on precisely how I can do that. But I'll figure it out, or find something somewhere. OPIE looks pretty easy. QT/E not quite so much... It's probably just a couple ./configure switches to set. And then the hard part comes in the form of actually putting together a bootable ROM image, and seeing if THAT works.
OPIE is a very sexy GUI, mind you, which is why I've decided to use it...
Might as well start a mini feature list...
*Opie 1.2
*Most of the core Opie programs
*Opera 7.55 (since it's a great browser)
*Most of the programs added to the Qtopia 1.5 Watapon image
*Probably Opie's PIM, since KDEPIM is getting rather massive... Or maybe IPKs of both
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Opie on Watapon would be a fantastic combination. Not least because opie can rotate the display on the fly !
HERE HERE!! I thnk it great too. That's a whole lot of work , Chaos (& I say that with a lot of jealousy too. I wish i had the time to do that kind of development ;(). I know I can speak for all of us that we really appreciate it.
BTW -does anyone think that we need a new thread???
That would be a awesome. What about asking the powers that be for a WATAPON ROM section?
Might as well start a mini feature list...
*Opie 1.2
*Most of the core Opie programs
*Opera 7.55 (since it's a great browser)
*Most of the programs added to the Qtopia 1.5 Watapon image
*Probably Opie's PIM, since KDEPIM is getting rather massive... Or maybe IPKs of both
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As I decided a while ago to standardize on the kde apps whereever I go, I'd vote strongly to keep them in, or to at least have the ipk's available. PLEASE! If you'd want to have more in the base ROM, then make ipk's of the PIM apps altogether so we'd have a choice of what we use without wasting the space.
IMHO
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Opie on Watapon would be a fantastic combination. Not least because opie can rotate the display on the fly !
I've used Opie rotation before (an early OZ for 5600) and it's really great.
Are there any parts of the testing that you want to spin off to the rest of us lemmings?
No testing needed right now - I'm playing with OPIE on my devel laptop right now, deciding what apps to compile in, what to skip. And where to put them - ROM, IPKs, etc. When I have something bootable, I'll let you know.
BTW -does anyone think that we need a new thread???
A new thread, or a new section, could be good... When Opie is on Watapon, we'll be the "odd ROM out"... not OpenEmbedded, not Sharp, not pdaXrom. Maybe when I get a little further into development (i.e., a bootable image), we could request a section. A new thread could work too. I'll start a new one, if I get un-lazy about it in the next few days.
HERE HERE!! I thnk it great too. That's a whole lot of work , Chaos (& I say that with a lot of jealousy too. I wish i had the time to do that kind of development ;(). I know I can speak for all of us that we really appreciate it.
Good to know it's appreciated. It'll take me some time, even though it's the summer off, because it is somewhat complex, and I have some other things going on (other projects).
What about asking the powers that be for a WATAPON ROM section?
Like I said, once I have something bootable, Watapon will be truly the "odd ROM out". I'll ask when I have something to show for it.
As I decided a while ago to standardize on the kde apps whereever I go, I'd vote strongly to keep them in, or to at least have the ipk's available. PLEASE! If you'd want to have more in the base ROM, then make ipk's of the PIM apps altogether so we'd have a choice of what we use without wasting the space.
A choice is definitely the way I'm leaning. Personally I like how the Opie apps work, and I don't like the size of the KDEPIM apps. But I'll give a choice, and stuff the ROM itself with more useful tools - probably a bunch of internet-related ones.
I'll probably keep most of the Opie apps, where it's practical. Many of them are really nice. I'll probably redo the tab structure, as usual. Make it the same as the original Watapon structure - PIM, Internet, Apps, Games, Utilities, Settings, Documents.
I'm definitely keeping the opie games, in IPKs. Some are damn addictive...
I'll also keep many of Opie's default applets, and IPK the ones that I don't keep. The Today app will be part of the Opie PIM, since that's where it's used... It's a brilliant app.
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Hi everybody!
This is my first post!
I've read all 18 (ouch!) pages... after that I've tried to install watapon 1.6.1 on my Zaurus 5600.
Everything work great but..... (ther's always a but!)
my wireless card.. it doesn't want work....
after a hard day working I've looked for information on google and I've found out my wireless card model (AMBICOM WL1100C-CF) is unsupported.
is it right?
THank you all and sorry for my poor english
Lorenzo
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I've got a Ambicom WL1100C-CF, and it works just fine.
Can you provide more details?
Post output of dmesg after plugging your card in while the power is on to see if the card is recognized.
radioz
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I to think opie would be better than qtopia for the next major version of watapon, as always I am more than happy to contribute to package and distribute a full repository of software.
as for the current version, it is the most stable and rich rom for the 5600 in my opinion.. I dont think it should be abandoned but in its current state its nearly perfect.. if we could get irda working and maby the pim's into ipk's then it would be a great finished rom and wouldent really need any further development..
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I've got a Ambicom WL1100C-CF, and it works just fine.
Can you provide more details?
Post output of dmesg after plugging your card in while the power is on to see if the card is recognized.
radioz
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First of all thanks for reply.
dmesg:
init_module: prism2_cs.o: 0.1.12-shp Loaded
init_module: dev_info is:prism2_cs
prism2_cs: index 0x01:Vcc 3.3, irq 39, io 0xf6000000-0xf600003f
hfa384x_coreset: hfa384x_coreset not supported on pcmcia. Use driver service COR access funtion instead
hfa384x_docmd_wait: hfa384x_cmd timeout (1), reg= 0x8866.
hfa384x_drvr_initialize: Initialize command failed.
hfa384x_drvr_initialize= Failed, result=110
prism2sta_initmac: prism2sta_initmacdrvr_initialize() failed, result 110
hfa384x_docmd_wait: hfa384x_cmd timeout (1), reg= 0x8866.
hfa384x_drvr_initialize: Initialize command failed.
hfa384x_drvr_initialize= Failed, result=110
I've copied (by hand) the result.
ifconfig tell me eth0 is configured with the IP I set it on, with my netmask my gateway ad my DNS.
but iwconfig tell me
lo no wireless extensions
eth0 no wireless extensions
after making a connection I see the led on my wireless card flashing, for a whie, the it stops.
In Network program, under Current, I see
Avaible service:
WlanService offline
MacAddress: (MYMAC)
Access Point: Unable to detect
essid:
Signal:
Quality:
Here is it!
Thank you
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hostap instead of wlan-ng?, without hostap I cant connect to the WPA encrypted wlan @ work.
5600 special kernel v1.3 from zug, (wireless extentions and overclocking)[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=72609\")
Hey dreadlocks. I was searching though the forum to try to get my wireless finally working (can't specify *anything*, ssid, wep, etc, or else I can't connect). I was trying to figure out how to get a hostap driver loaded when I came across your post. Is [a href=\"http://www.zaurususergroup.org/UpDownload+index-req-viewsdownload-sid-53.phtml]this[/url] the kernel you mentioned? And would that help with my wifi connection, or do I need to source the hostap driver somewhere else, and if so, then where? tks
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(asking about hostap...)[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=88417\")
An update. I installed the hostap drivers I found [a href=\"http://www.zaurususergroup.org/modules.php]here[/url], and they seem to load:
[zaurus@grond]<~>$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
kbdsim 1008 0 (unused)
pxa_bi 21328 0 (unused)
net_fd 25024 1
usbdcore 34544 0 [pxa_bi net_fd]
usbdmonitor 5248 0
hostap_crypt_wep 3152 0 (unused)
hostap_cs 40720 1
hostap 82480 0 [hostap_crypt_wep hostap_cs]
sharp_mmcsd_m 26256 3Strange warnings from iwconfig though, but eth0 didn't show any wireless extensions at all before, so maybe on the right track?
[zaurus@grond]<~>$ iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.
Warning: Driver for device eth0 has been compiled with version 12
of Wireless Extension, while this program is using version 13.
Some things may be broken...
Warning: Driver for device eth0 recommend version 13 of Wireless Extension,
but has been compiled with version 12, therefore some driver features
may not be available...
eth0 IEEE 802.11-DS Mode:Managed
Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
usbd0 no wireless extensions.But now the card doesn't power up, network applet no longer shows up & I cardctl doesn't have any effect (device busy). I removed the package & the prism2 driver reloaded & my settings thankfully came back, so I'm at least not further back then I was.
Where can I go from here? thks
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Note that I'm sorry for not having anything done yet. =) I'm on vacation, and I don't have a Linux box with me. But this is high on my list for things to do when I get back. I should return to home... Oh, Wednesday I believe. =)
(I forgot to mention that I'm on vacation before I left last Sunday - I was a bit busy around that time getting things ready to go.)
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Hey, Chao.. any update on the development of the latest version of Watapon?
/a side question; anyone using Dlink DCF-660W for their poodle on watapon? any issues from this cf wifi??
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Dear Justin (aka Chaos), may I recommend moving the PIM's to separate IPKs , fixing the syncing and IR problems for the Sharp compatible Watapon before you stop developing that version and moving to the new Watapon?
I purchased some software from theKompany and as far as I know they are only compatible with the current Watapon. Will theKompany products will work on the new Watapon? Given that your busy schedule, I don't think you can test it. I will be happy to test them for you on the new Watapon. If they don't work, then I have to use the existing Watapon which I believe will be absolutely perfect platform when IR, Syncing problems are fixed and PIMs are removed to IPKs as options to the users. Doing so will give users more flexibility for personalization of their Watapon and make it more popular among Z5600 users. I like some of the theKompany software and there might be others currently using or might want to use similar software on their Watapon based Z5600.
Thank you again for a "close to perfect" OS on Z5600 and good luck with the new version.
Zaf
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Justin, this is from the OPIE homepage:
The Open Palmtop Integrated Environment is a 'fork' of the [WWW]Qtopia environment developed by [WWW]Trolltech.
Given that theKompany applications (as far as I know) are compatible with Qt of Trolltech and I believe will work on your OPIE based Watapon. My offer to test the applications I have from theKompany is standing. If they do work, I am going to write to Shawn Gordon - theKompany President to inform him and maybe let them mention Watapon in their homepage for Z5600. They tried to create their OS but it failed (the guy who was developing theKompany rom took the PDA and disappeared )
Just let me know.
thanx
Zaf
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Hi,
Just got a 5600 and still using 1.32 from Sharp. Want to try Watapon, but has anybody out there had any success using IR? Need it for synching with my phone and for my keyboard. What about hostap? Need to use WPA-PSK. Thanks in advance!
-Phil
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Hi, Just got a 5600 and still using 1.32 from Sharp. Want to try Watapon, but has anybody out there had any success using IR? Need it for synching with my phone and for my keyboard. What about hostap? Need to use WPA-PSK. Thanks in advance! -Phil [div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=92660\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I use my pockettop keyboard successfully with my poodle with watapon. I haven't tried my ir with anything else , though. HTH
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Hi,
Just got a 5600 and still using 1.32 from Sharp. Want to try Watapon, but has anybody out there had any success using IR? Need it for synching with my phone and for my keyboard. What about hostap? Need to use WPA-PSK. Thanks in advance!
-Phil
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keyboards work fine with Watapon, it seems the file transfer is broken.. hostap still needs work tho
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Watapon IR works for transfering from a phone (nokia 6230) to a 5600 without anyy heroics. Don;t know how to transfer the other way though!
Hi,
Just got a 5600 and still using 1.32 from Sharp. Want to try Watapon, but has anybody out there had any success using IR? Need it for synching with my phone and for my keyboard. What about hostap? Need to use WPA-PSK. Thanks in advance!
-Phil
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keyboards work fine with Watapon, it seems the file transfer is broken.. hostap still needs work tho
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Chaos,
Must say you have done a great job from the looks of it.
I have tried OZ3.5.3, Hentges, etc. All seem to have issue with the 5600.
Loaded this up in desperation yesterday instead of going back to Sharp and everything I have tried works. Especially with my Socket WLAN Wireless card.
Do you have a PayPal account for donations?
(Also, Dreadlocks, thanks for your efforts too).
I have found several more of my old apps that work Out-of-the-box just fine like PalmStudy, Powerchord, eng-spa.dict, etc. I will be loading up more today and testing.
Does anyone know what the best (fastest) app to review digicam pics with? The imageviewer "works" but it is so slow.
Thanks much,
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Hi Chaos,
For starters, great ROM. Just what I was looking for for my 5600.
I like your idea for moving to OPIE, was using OZ/OPIE on my 5500 until I upgraded.
Any idea if Jeode will still work, I think most of the issues with OZ/OPIE and Jeode (of which there are many) come for the fact it doesn't use GCC 2.95. Will the new Watapon ROM use 2.95?
On an aside I found this thread in the QT development forum (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13936) about a DSL based Zaurus development environment. It makes setting up a dev environment alot easier. I was wondering if it might be an idea to see if someone could create an environment based on this for the new Watapon ROM. Might make life easier if app need to be recompilied?
Looking forward to see Watapon 2.0....
-MF.
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Alright. This topic is already at 19 pages and 280 replies! Please start a new topic when version 2 comes out. :-)
(Thanks for version 1.x, btw)
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Hey Chaos, any news on version 2?
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A couple questions about the ko/pi apps.
How do I set filters in the mail program?
and, how do I configure my personal "vcard" thing?
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Terribly sorry for my recent 'disappearance'... :/ I've been hellishly busy.
I've been working on other things, but I've decided to try to put those on hold for a while (various websites, other minor non-paying projects), and concentrate on this. Other than one particular website I have to design, Watapon is my main project now.
First, I'll work on 1.6 and give it a final cleanup, fixup, and re-release for the PIM things, etc. Maybe release it as 1.8.
Next, I'll work on version 2. Which will be a basically from-scratch Sharp ROM-style (i.e. RO filesystem with symlinks, GCC 2.95, etc.), using Opie instead of Qtopia.
I'll look into the IR problems in 1.6, but I can't guarantee anything, as my selection of IR devices is rather limited (i.e. a few people with Palms I know)... If someone else can figure out a fix, I'll incorporate it.
For 2, I'll look into the hostap drivers heavily, along with everything else. I also plan to use a custom-compiled 'special kernel' style kernel - but of course you can always use your kernel of choice, as always.
So, with any luck I'll get that clean up of 1.6 done in a week or so, and 2.0 coming along pretty well in a month or so.
As to the PayPal question... Sorry, I don't have any accounts. Maybe I'll look into it when I finish 2. As then I'll actually have something other than just a Sharp ROM-based thing... Something that not just anyone could do easily.
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I'll look into the IR problems in 1.6, but I can't guarantee anything, as my selection of IR devices is rather limited (i.e. a few people with Palms I know)... If someone else can figure out a fix, I'll incorporate it.
Oh cool, I was just going to post about that. I tried sending an address from my dad's 5600 (on the stock sharp rom) to mine but the IR on my zaurus with watapon didn't even try to recieve anything. Good luck and thanks for all the work on the 5600. I would also love to donate money for 2.0
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does the Sandisk CF 128MB + Wifi card works in this ROM?
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Thank you very much for this superb rom =)
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ppl, is there any ebook reader to recomend? Thanks.
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Sorry, if I am blind, but I never saw this question get answered. This is the one thing I miss from my old handspring (palm os). I used to us isilo. Are there any good doc readers for the zaurus, specifically that work with watapon?
Never mind... I found OpieReader on [a href=\"http://www.elsix.org/]http://www.elsix.org/[/url] It seems to work without problem.
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Hi all. Back on watapon (at least for a while). Any update on 1.6.2 or 2.0/opie?
Anyway, the real reason for my post. Anybody else experience power management not working when they're wifi card is active? My Z suspends and or goes into lo-mode (depending on whether it's cradled or not) fine EXCEPT when my wifi card is active. Then it'll never suspend.
Any ideas for a fix? thks
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Sorry, nothing new... I've been really busy. It always happens when I try to do something.
And are you sure that it not suspending when the wifi card is active (which I take to mean connected) isn't what's supposed to happen? Because it seems logical that it'd not suspend when it's connected, to me...
If it's not suspending when it's simply in the Z then there's something unusual...
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Sorry, nothing new... I've been really busy. It always happens when I try to do something.
Hey, no worries. I know *exactly* what you mean . I am primarily curious about getting a ROM with working hostap drivers for my WEP connection @ home. I have to leave the router open to allow my Z in. I do have an access control list of hw addresses enabled, so at least that's some security.
And are you sure that it not suspending when the wifi card is active (which I take to mean connected) isn't what's supposed to happen? Because it seems logical that it'd not suspend when it's connected, to me...
Now that you put it that way, it _does_ make sense. I just found it annoying that I can be surfing the net on my couch, put the Z down for a while & find that it's still wasting battery life. I guess I'll just have to remember to suspend it when not in use.
If it's not suspending when it's simply in the Z then there's something unusual...[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=106408\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Nope. When the network is disconnected & the card off (but still inserted), it suspends just fine.
Thanks for the reply Chaos. be happy.
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Hi all. Back on watapon (at least for a while). Any update on 1.6.2 or 2.0/opie?
Wow! I just read through all 20 pages and what a ride! Made Christmas Eve exciting!
The only tech forum that compares to this, of which I am aware, is the Puppy Linux one.
It occurs to me that there may be a possible symbiotic relationship between watapon and Puppy as Puppy is also optimized for small, simple, effective, and quick while still providing a robust OS. http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/ (http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/)
Puppy also has some parallel development and forked versions for specialized users, e.g. one for those needing an emphasis on graphics apps.
I am considering the purchase of a 5600 (I do have a little used 5500 I will then sell) and am very encouraged by what I am reading here.
One question I have never read on any of thr several dozen sites and threads I have read about the 5600 is re. printing. Is there any way that a file may be sent directly to a printer from the 5600 or must it first go to a PC and then to a printer?
Thanks! doc
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To all using Watapon... I'm sorry. I just don't have the time to continue it's development currently.
I have left the most recent 1.4 and 1.6 versions available on Watapon's website (http://zaurus.duelmonsters.ca) along with the rootfs used to build it, if anyone's interested in trying their hand at it. Those will stay there for as long as I can possibly keep them there (probably a very long time).
If someone's interested, then feel free to download that, poke around a bit, and maybe send me an e-mail if you don't understand how to build or use something there. If you can continue the project, go for it. I would, but I'm sorry... I just don't have the time.
Thanks to everyone's support... It's been fun, and a good experience for me. Maybe next project I work on will be one when I have more time on my hands...
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To all using Watapon... I'm sorry. I just don't have the time to continue it's development currently.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=113203\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I hope I can speak for all of us when I extend my thanks for the work you've done. It is much appreciated. Don't feel bad, I'm sure someone will pick up the torch. You concentrate on your 'real' life now
take care
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To all using Watapon... I'm sorry. I just don't have the time to continue it's development currently.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=113203\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I hope I can speak for all of us when I extend my thanks for the work you've done. It is much appreciated. Don't feel bad, I'm sure someone will pick up the torch. You concentrate on your 'real' life now
take care
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I agree with Grog, thanks for a great ROM, now go have a life, you deserve it.
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too bad that another Zaurus distro goes into dust
In OpenZaurus team we are unable to help poodle (sl-5600) users mainly due to lack of hardware (no device). We are trying to release images which work because it does not take much time but sooner or later it could finish in abadonland...
I hope that someone will take care of developing distros (Watapon or other) for poodle.
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I have assembled a Dev enviroment for anyone wanting to continue this ROM
It uses the Sharp SDK / DSL / and QEMU
You can use the DSL.iso image to boot directly off a CD
Or Qemu to run inside windows
I got the info here:
http://kopsisengineering.com/kopsis/SharpZaurusSdkDsl (http://kopsisengineering.com/kopsis/SharpZaurusSdkDsl)
^ Follow the instructions to make an ISO,
Download the DSL ISO here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distri...ent/current.iso (http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/current.iso)
and DL the Z-SDK tools here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyqplay...sl.zip?download (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyqplayer/sharp_zsdk_dsl.zip?download)
Use a tool like Magic ISO to browse the current.iso image and copy the (unzipped) SDK tools to the root. now re-save the .iso
When you boot, be sure to use the boot command
"dsl mydsl"
^ the default path is the CD drive.
You should see it probing, and loading the mydsl modules. Once it's loaded fluxbox
USe
dsl@box:~$ . dev-x86-qpe.sh
to enter the enviroment.
Happy hacking :-) And Thanks Justin!!
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too bad that another Zaurus distro goes into dust
In OpenZaurus team we are unable to help poodle (sl-5600) users mainly due to lack of hardware (no device). We are trying to release images which work because it does not take much time but sooner or later it could finish in abadonland...
Hopefully later. Hentges has recruited at least some level of beta testers for 3.5.4 and poodle (I was one of them). Seriously nobody on the OZ team has a poodle? Anyone have one to donate or want to pitch in to get them one?
I love OZ on my poodle, but for the life of me I cannot get my IrDA keyboard to work with it, and I've never met anyone that could. Perhaps we should donate one of these too?
-Phil
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Hopefully later. Hentges has recruited at least some level of beta testers for 3.5.4 and poodle (I was one of them).
My OZ 3.5.4-test program got more then 10 poodle users. There was some feedback but noone found how to fix some bugs which that machine looks to have.
Seriously nobody on the OZ team has a poodle? Anyone have one to donate or want to pitch in to get them one?
Currently noone has poodle in OZ team. We have several collie machines, few c7x0 ones, iirc 2-3 tosa (mostly used for developing 2.6 kernel support), 2 akitas, 2 spitz, there are also few company developers with borzoi machines which can test sometimes our code. I have collie and c760.
I love OZ on my poodle, but for the life of me I cannot get my IrDA keyboard to work with it, and I've never met anyone that could. Perhaps we should donate one of these too?
Irda keyboards.. I do not know do we have developer with one or not. Did you tried irk variants from OZ? I'm curious how irda keyboards works at all ;)
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What are currently the big problems with OZ on the 5600?
What aspects of the Watapon ROM made it better?
I can take a quick look at the the major issues and port any patches in the Watapon buildroot over to the OE tree, but unfortunately I don't have the time to take it on as a project.
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What are currently the big problems with OZ on the 5600?
What aspects of the Watapon ROM made it better?
I can take a quick look at the the major issues and port any patches in the Watapon buildroot over to the OE tree, but unfortunately I don't have the time to take it on as a project.
I used OZ 3.5.2 for a long time on my 5600. I was wary of 3.5.3 because of bugs people seemed to be encountering. (I also bricked my Z at one point while reinstalling OZ, but that was my fault. Nonetheless, it made me a bit gun-shy.) I installed OZ 3.5.4 with GPE, which looked absolutely fantastic (in 3.5.2 I was using Opie). However, as in 3.5.2, most of the internal flash was taken up by the ROM, which I didn't like. I wanted more room on the internal, in case I needed it for anything at all. Granted, most of what I was doing was linked on the SD card, but there were times when I wanted more than a few megabytes of memory. GPE seemed to run very slowly, and I was finding various bugs in different apps. Sorry I'm not giving enough specifics here - I'm just trying to give some general impressions.
Watapon was really a breath of fresh air for me. Everything seems to "just work" - I have very few problems with it. And it also takes up a relatively small amount of room on the internal flash - right now the PDA is filled with pretty much every app I need and then some, and I still have 17 mb left. Those are the two main reasons I like Watapon - usability and its small footprint.
For example, I had tremendous problems with Konqueror. Granted, it's amazing to have it working. And I'm a staunch supporter of free software - I run nothing but Linux on my home computers, and find it painful to have any proprietary stuff on them. I think the only thing I have that's nonfree right now is Java, which drives me insane since I'm trying to learn it. At some point I'd like to remove it entirely and just use something like gcj. But the browsing under 3.5.2 was just ridiculously difficult for me. Some pages would load fine. I'd say a third of the time it worked ok. But at other times, either the browser couldn't load a page in a readable way (text would run off the right side of the screen and it's just too annoying to read something by constantly moving the horizontal scrolling bar back and forth), or it would just crash. Even for something seemingly simple, like the documentation from www.python.org, loading from my own SD card, would crash.
On the other hand, Opera can compress most pages to fit in a column, and has far, far fewer crashes - I can probably count on one hand how many times it's crashed.
I like to think of Watapon as the Ubuntu of the Zaurus 5600 world, at least from a usability standpoint. This is not to point fingers as anyone - this has as much to do with me as with anyone else. I could have filled out bug reports, and I could have tried to do more to help with Openzaurus. But I simply don't have enough time. Nothing would make me happier than to have an entirely free Zaurus, but I need to be able to use it as well.
I wish the work on Openzaurus all the best - I think it is probably the most important work being done in the Zaurus software world by far. And I wish development on Watapon hadn't stopped - but the developer didn't have the time either. Hope what I wrote is helpful.
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Two Poodles were donated to OZ recently, and
work on a kernel 2.6 port (http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/kernel-26-on-poodle-status-page/) has already begun
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Does anyone have the feed for the watapon rom? Chaos apparently isnt allowing users to access the feed webpage anymore, and I reinstalled the 1.4.1 version.
I like the 1.4.1 version best imho.
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Here is the closest thing to a feed for the Watapon ROM that is still up. Not sure if it current or not.
http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/feed/ (http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/5600/watapon/feed/)
Jim
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Try here.
Watapon 1.6 and 1.6.1 hosted.
http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/77 (http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/77)
EDIT:
The uploads are corrupted. I'm going to reupload them for Antikx.
Edit 2:
Reuploaded and verified. The links should be good.
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Bringing this back up from the dead...
All my Watapon stuff is back online (images, feed, themes, and misc other stuff) @ http://zaurus.nayr.net (http://zaurus.nayr.net)
I will try to keep it up for as long as is reasonable, if I have forgotten about it again and its unavailable please send me an email dreadlocks _at_ gmail _dot_ com
its been known for a while but I am going ahead and announcing the END OF LIFE for Watapon.. Without any development in the last several years I think it is safe to say there will be no future development into this project.
Best compliment I have gotten in a while, Watapon is the Ubuntu for Zaurus.. that was our goal at the time and it makes me happy to hear it..
Ive had alot of fun on this project and I want to thank everyone, epically Chaos for making this niche rom such a success.. its a testament to the OSS community. I still have my 5600 sitting on the shelf in the closet.. I used it as a usb wifi router for a while before retiring it.. I just didnt have much use for it when I was done with school.. I have moved on, I now work for Jabber and have a plate load of projects that time does not permit for. What I learned working on this has been carried on in many other projects.. from embedded routers and carputers to commercial plug in appliances.
The Zaurus will always be a big part of me, it was a revolutionary device that allowed me to work in extraordinary ways.. This little device made getting my degree a snap, and when I bricked my 5000D in the middle of a semester I realized how much I relied on it for absolutely everything.. I carried no book bag, pen, paper, or pencil to class.. I had my Zaurus and my IR keyboard in my pocket and that was all I ever needed.. Taking notes, recording lectures, watching daily show while standing in line for hours for basketball ticket, hell I even met a cute cheer leader who wanted my notes; I was completely lost without my Z.. I sold belongings to buy a 5600 that I still have, I glided through the rest of my classes with everything I would need in my pocket and my head..
Thank you and Take Care Zaurus Community.
Ryan Hunt
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Out of retirement you come my little poodle!
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I still have my 5600 sitting on the shelf in the closet.. I used it as a usb wifi router for a while before retiring it..
I have a Poodle and although I found Watapon one of the best ROMs I've ever come across, I've eventually found myself back to the Sharp ROM. I would like to know how you managed to get this working though.
The Watapon ROMs were surely difficult to find but thankfully, I managed to unearth them. This is a great rom and I hope it is picked up and built on again.
Thanks for hosting it, dreadlocks!