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Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 14, 2004, 06:14:02 am
I've volunteered to get gpe-image in good working order (ish) for the release of OZ 3.5.1 next week. I've been making good head-way, but I'm just one person and it's unlikely that I'm going to catch all the major bugs before release, so I've made the most recent ROM image I've built available for download here http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cil103/pub/ (http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cil103/pub/) - If anyone has any spare time for testing, that'd be greatly appreciated. The kernel image here is 64-0, but any recent OE kernel should work fine if you'd prefer a different RAM configuration.

Known bugs/problems:
-rosetta doesn't work properly
-miniclipboard doesn't work*
-gpe-gallery crashes on some images
-Some gpe-conf programs don't work or are made for the ipaq
-File open dialog requires double-tap to open folders

* In this image it is due to a missing icon, but I've fixed that and it still doesn't work - If you'd like to experience the new error, edit /usr/share/applications/miniclipboard.desktop and change 'paste.png' to 'paste.xpm'

I will update the URL with other GPE packages as I add/fix/build them, check back often.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: CoreDump on September 14, 2004, 11:11:03 am
Recent OE kernels (Sep. 13th) for Z5000 & Z5500 can be found here:
http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/ker...xa3-embedix-r6/ (http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/kernel/OE-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r6/)
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: cycojesus on September 14, 2004, 01:35:45 pm
but as always nothing for the 5600...
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 14, 2004, 01:35:58 pm
I just dusted off an old 5500 that had been sitting in a desk drawer forever.  I'd be willing to take it for a spin.  
Just loaded it.  
Damn,....  very nice.  Right off the bat I like it better than opie, but that's just first impression.
First question of course is sync options with Evolution?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 14, 2004, 03:14:44 pm
There's a plug-in for multisync, which allows you to sync with Evolution (among other applications) - You can find it here, I think: http://gpe.handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/source/ (http://gpe.handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/source/) (source only)
I've not tried it, so I couldn't say if it worked or not..

The front-light brightness control doesn't work in the most recent image I've provided at the moment - I'm compiling another version now which will be available tomorrow where it should work fine. Will post here once it's uploaded, as well as any other changes that are made.

cycojesus - This image should build fine on the 5600 I think, however I don't own one so I couldn't say. I'll see if I can build an image for it tomorrow and upload, but it'll be completely untested, so I can't even say if it'd even boot or not.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 14, 2004, 03:50:35 pm
I'm running debian and there was no binary for gpe, so I'll have to try it out when I have a bit more time.
I did get it connected to my usb natted out so I was able to pull up a few web pages.  
I got to run but I made time to try out x2x.    
gpe Nebie wiki (http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie)
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# I heard that I can use my desktop's mouse and keyboard. How do I do that?

Just install x2x on your Linux desktop, execute on the iPAQ in a rxvt "xhost 192.168.0.1" and on your desktop: "x2x -to 192.168.0.2:0.0 -east". Now when you go with your mouse on the right out of your desktop's screen you come in to the left of your iPAQ. The best: keyboard follows mouse. Of course 192.168.0.1 needs to be substituted with your desktop IP and 192.168.0.2 with your iPAQ's IP adress.

There's also the "teleport" applet in the default dock, which lets you move some running applications to a new display. (Not all X apps work with it, though - is it only GPE apps? GTK ones? Someone please explain more...)

I am too easily entertained but this is by far the coolest thing I have ever done in linux
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Mickeyl on September 14, 2004, 05:05:16 pm
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but as always nothing for the 5600...
Of course not. 5600 owners are isolated guys which don't want to participate on open source projects.

Seriously, could you please stop complaining to us about you 5600 guys not working on the 5600 specifics in OpenZaurus?
OZ 3.5.1 will be released also for the poodle, but - as I layed out in a previous post - probably once again by me blindly compiling an image for a device which i never touched or even seen in my life.

Guess how much testing it will receive that way...
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 14, 2004, 10:06:29 pm
Should we post back here when we find things thtat don't work.  Also I'd be willing to contribute effort towards writing documentation.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Chaos on September 14, 2004, 11:06:52 pm
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Of course not. 5600 owners are isolated guys which don't want to participate on open source projects.
That's a little rude there.

Personally I would work on OE, but for one factor. TIME. I don't have enough of it to devote most of my Zaurus use to testing OE over and over again. I did create a Sharp ROM based image, but the thing is, I don't have to build it from something known to be under heavy development (meaning rapid changes that one would have to keep up with). I'm only planning on updating this project of mine once every... Oh, 4-5 months when I get some time off school. OE is just moving too rapidly at this state...

I think the root of the issue is that few people have 5600s. There are some, but many people use 5500s, or have gone for the C-series (often 760s or 860s). The 5000D, 5600 and to some degree the 6000 are less used than the C-series (which are all pretty cross-compatible, except the kernel image), and the 5500. The 5000D of course is like the C-series. It's very compatible with the 5500. That sorta leaves the 5600 and the 6000 as the odd ones out...
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: devedge on September 15, 2004, 03:23:41 am
Hi I have installed it and it looks very good.

Are there any packages available and has anybody got the usb-network settings up and running?

Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: cycojesus on September 15, 2004, 03:47:12 am
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but as always nothing for the 5600...
Of course not. 5600 owners are isolated guys which don't want to participate on open source projects.

Seriously, could you please stop complaining to us about you 5600 guys not working on the 5600 specifics in OpenZaurus?
OZ 3.5.1 will be released also for the poodle, but - as I layed out in a previous post - probably once again by me blindly compiling an image for a device which i never touched or even seen in my life.

Guess how much testing it will receive that way...
The isolated guy has been trying to oemake opie-images and gpe-images for weeks, always failed... The isolated guy think, innocently, that if you managed to get a workable 5500 image it *should* only be a matter of changing a few lines in local.conf to build the same image for the 5600, apparently too much work.

Who are the "us" you stand for ? I was not attacking anybody, not even complaining, just saying with a taste of despair that there where also people with 5600 Z around here that apparently nobody but ourselves (the 5600 guys) cares about. Now almost every 5600 user (at least Chaos and myself) is starting to build its own distro due to the lack of interest of others and the existing 5600 oriented distros getting outdated.

I'd LOVE to test OZ 3.5.x, even more as apparently (I like this word ) it have a standard like organized filesystem, a thing that I miss a LOT in Sharp or OZ 3.3.x roms. But if I can't build an image and NOBODY make one available so I could contribute it'll be a bit hard...
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Mickeyl on September 15, 2004, 05:09:38 am
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The isolated guy has been trying to oemake opie-images and gpe-images for weeks, always failed...
I don't remember any posts from you to oe@handhelds.org describing your build problems.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 15, 2004, 06:26:07 am
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Are there any packages available and has anybody got the usb-network settings up and running?
I don't know about package availability,  but usb-networking is available.
Check this link for usb networking (http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08s02.html).
Here is a quick summary.
This isn't the only way to do it, but this worked for me.  YMMV
 Under Settings-->Network Setup-->usbd0:
1. Select static
2. Give your Z an ip address.  I used 192.168.129.201
3. Netmask: 255.255.255.0
4. Broadcast: I left this blank
5. Gateway:  This will be your pc.  I used 192.168.129.200
Under Settings-->Network Setup-->global: set the ip for your dns server.  I don't use a proxy so I left those two blank.

On your pc: 1. modprobe usbnet
I used two scripts from the above link for the next steps.  
zconnect:
Code: [Select]
[#!/bin/bash
ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up
route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0
echo "Z networking configured, ready to go."
/CODE]

and znat:
[CODE]#!/bin/bash

echo "Activating forwarding on host ..."
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward        # turn on forwarding

echo "Activating NAT on host ..."
iptables -t nat -F              # optional, depending on your situation
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 192.168.0.1

for 192.168.0.1 use the ip address of your pc's ip.

Lastly, for shiznits and giggles, I got this from the GPE Site. (http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie)
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Just install x2x on your Linux desktop, execute on the iPAQ in a rxvt "xhost 192.168.0.1" and on your desktop: "x2x -to 192.168.0.2:0.0 -east". Now when you go with your mouse on the right out of your desktop's screen you come in to the left of your iPAQ. The best: keyboard follows mouse. Of course 192.168.0.1 needs to be substituted with your desktop IP and 192.168.0.2 with your iPAQ's IP adress.

If we can get this working well for the Zaurus.  I believe GPE will offer more than others, especially once GPE package management for the zaurus becomes more available.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: cycojesus on September 15, 2004, 06:53:39 am
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The isolated guy has been trying to oemake opie-images and gpe-images for weeks, always failed...
I don't remember any posts from you to oe@handhelds.org describing your build problems.
true, I'm in the phase 1 : "Let's figure out what's going on"...
Beside that, I don't like the way openembedded is conceived, all that portage-like stuff p*** me off so I don't know if I really want to spend a lot of time digging into it ; but that's not the problem. The problem is that I want to understand how this kludge works so I could ask the right question or fix the stuff myself when the time come.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 15, 2004, 02:01:53 pm
cycojesus - Not really sure what you're complaining about now... Tell you what - buy/send me a 5600 and I'll provide everyone with working gpe/opie images for it

Anyway, back on topic - Will be uploading a new image tonight with a couple of fixes, and possibly some more packages... Stay tuned
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: devedge on September 15, 2004, 04:13:46 pm
Hi

Under Settings, the Control Panel app does not launch.

Are there any feeds? How do we install new packages?

thanks
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 15, 2004, 04:26:16 pm
I second the new package question.  Also, is it like apt-get or will we have to reconcile dependencies ourselves?
And has anyone gotten gpe-multisync to compile per this page http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync (http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync)     I keep getting errors.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: jh on September 15, 2004, 04:37:11 pm
Cool, I've been meaning to give GPE a try... I'll try to tear myself away from KO/Pi and install it on my 5500 tonight.

For those of you considering trying it out & have existing data you don't want to lose... you might want to check out ozone (http://www.wi1se.f2s.com/ozone/).  I've made a few backups with it, but haven't yet restored from one of those backup files (only because I haven't tried, not because it didn't work).  

Is this from a standard OpenEmbedded GPE build?

jason
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: henrysviper on September 15, 2004, 05:13:08 pm
First of all, congratulations to everyone involved!

Question: is there an image for C750 owners so that we can help too?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: panyo on September 15, 2004, 08:03:33 pm
Asside from a disconcertingly slow first startup, it looks nice.

Four quick points:
1) Vi does not work right. Try typing a line and the carriage return. The line will disappear, and status lines will accumulate at the bottom of the screen.

2) I am glad to see a volume control was added. On the earlier version posted in this thread
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=5611 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5611)
I was able to use filte
http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/ (http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/)
but without volume controle. I am using the binary from my SD card. However, there is a serious problem.  Flite just speaks chipmunk giberish now. I think it is an issue with a speed setting for the DSP that I read about somewhere.

3) My SD card mounts, but my ext2 CF card does not. I think that was covered here in the last week or so, but just mentioning it.

4) Keyboards: The fitaly on screen keyboard is great, but I need help figuring out how best to implement dvorak on the built in keyboard.

Details:
This was my first time seeing the fitaly keyboard. It is in the virtual keyboard settings tab. It is really great! Will have to adapt my thumbnail for one handed typing.

However, the builtin keyboard is still crucial for those situations that require typing without looking, like taking notes at conferences etc. For that I have adapted my keyboard by using Elmer's glue to stick rough bits of pineapple leaf to the home keys so I can touch type. My prefered keyboard layout is dvorak. In addition to letting me stay in the key layout I have memorized, I would contend that this is a better keyboard for thumb typing as well as ten finger typing. In particular,  having most of the action on the home row lets you do most typing by rotating and swiveling the thumbs, rather than moving and then having to find home again. Also the alternation between hands continues to give a speed advantage.  

Question:
When I thought I had bricked my Z5500 on my first attempt to flash this I found out about the 'd p' reset in which I have to hold down d and p while pressing the reset button in the battery compartment. One of the menue items related to the keyboard. This item went through all the keys, asking me to press the corresponding key on the keyboard.  It seems I could remap the keys this way. I suspect this will also affect the number, symbol, and function keys,  which is not such a good thing. Is there a better way to remap the key?  Only doing so in X would be ok. I see that there is a file called 40xmodmap in Xinit.d which just calles xmodmap for one key under some condition. However, xmodmap is not in this rom. I suppose if it was included I would be able to adjust my keys in the same way as all other X enviroments? Can this be included? Or is there some other way of mapping my keys?

Finally, is there a PowerPC or onboard version of the OE environment ?
Also, sorry, but the URL button does not work on the version of Firefox I am using on OSX.

PS:
Also, Image Gallery does nothing, Program Manager always slides back to the top program, the screen brightness control panel only lets you set the brightness to 10,  but the icon at the bottom of the screen does let you adjust brightness. Can't get the mixer to go away once it has been launched, can only minimize it.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Lexx on September 15, 2004, 09:54:12 pm
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but as always nothing for the 5600...
cycojesus,

Try this link.

http://handhelds.org/~pb/oe/images/poodle/ (http://handhelds.org/~pb/oe/images/poodle/)

1. You will need the updater.sh from OZ for this to work.
2. Rename the zimage file as just zimage
3. Rename the  gpe-image file as initrd.bin

Flash as you normally would.

I've tried this on my 5600 and have reported my findings, so I will warn you now that the touch screen has major issues at the moment so you may wish to wait for a newer image to appear.

Hope this inspires some hope.

Not sure if you use IRC, bu I logon to #GPE and #Handhelds.org on irc.handhelds.org. The people there are very friendly and helpful.

A quick thank you to all developers involved in these projects.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Lexx on September 15, 2004, 09:58:28 pm
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cycojesus - Not really sure what you're complaining about now... Tell you what - buy/send me a 5600 and I'll provide everyone with working gpe/opie images for it

Anyway, back on topic - Will be uploading a new image tonight with a couple of fixes, and possibly some more packages... Stay tuned
This sounds like the begining of a great idea. Any way to setup some kind of fundraiser where we could donate some funds or items which could then be sold in an effort to raise some cash to get you that SL-5600?

Lexx scrounges around for stuff to donate....  
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 15, 2004, 10:04:25 pm
I have an old scsi raid card I could donate
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 16, 2004, 03:45:08 am
Lexx - As much as I'd love that, there are other projects much more deserving of money/items (OpenEmbedded itself, for example  hehe)... Still, feel free to start your own initiative
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 16, 2004, 01:14:21 pm
New image up!

Changes:
-Upgraded gtk+ (2.2.4 -> 2.4.4)
-Fixed battery power reporting with the matchbox battery applet
-Changed default settings for applets, clock and icon-size
-Added rotation panel applet
-Various other upgraded packages

and I'm uploading a feed as I speak that contains all the packages that are included in the image, as well as gpe-nmf and gaim (along with all their dependencies of course) - Completely untested however, please say if they work or not.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Deviant25 on September 16, 2004, 03:27:07 pm
is it done uploading, and is it supposed to be 1.5mb for the flash
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 16, 2004, 04:09:36 pm
Sorry, my connection must've broken without me realising - I'm re-uploading now, it should be there in around 10 minutes... Hopefully the feed is fine. Thanks for pointing it out!
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Deviant25 on September 16, 2004, 04:20:58 pm
awesome, im always a bit cautious cause i dont have a cf reader, so i would have to wait till my friend comes back from vacation for him to use his zaurus to upload a good image onto my cf
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Deviant25 on September 16, 2004, 04:29:43 pm
for GAIM what of those dependancies are already installed? or do i need them all
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Deviant25 on September 16, 2004, 05:24:14 pm
actully the gaim  ipk dosent appear in the package manager to be able to be installed.. so might mean the feed got screwed up, or i might just be an idiot
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 16, 2004, 06:29:43 pm
I'm not sure if gpe-package displays available packages properly yet - You need to edit /etc/ipkg.conf and add the feed there, then run 'ipkg update', then you should be able to install the packages with ipkg (and possibly the package manager, although that'll only install to root, so I recommend you use ipkg) Do that all as root of course, it just won't work otherwise.

I've tried installing Gaim and the packages do work fine, so if after doing that the feed doesn't work, post again and I'll upload it again. Sorry for the inconvenience
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 17, 2004, 05:22:35 am
root terminal seg faults when using vi.
When using vi as normal it doesn't cooperate.
A text editor whether emacs or vi is, imho, critical.
control panel doesn't come up when clicked on.
clock won't display analog
the pim stuff seems to work well.  
I couldn't get gpe-sync to compile so I couldn't test multisync with evolution.
The light setting in Screen Setup remains at 10, to change it you change it from the task bar.
Also, I had to remove taskbar icons and re-add them or else they would cover part of the clock.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 17, 2004, 05:35:57 am
vi works ok for me in both terminals, but it doesn't display quite correctly and scrolling right or left too fast crashes the terminal - I've no idea why this is... gpe-edit works fine however - I'll see about getting a more comprehensive text editor installed perhaps, but there's not anything I can do about vi/rxvt at the moment I don't think - The bug with the incorrect display happens in opie-console as well, I don't know what causes it.

As for the control panel, I don't think it's necessary - most of the gpe-conf sub-apps work fine, I think the control panel is just a hub for them - I'll ask the GPE people about this though, as well as about gpe-clock.

I'm not sure what causes the tray apps to act funny when covering parts of each other, certain orders of apps seem fine though - the default order should display ok... I think this might be a bug in matchbox, hopefully it'll disappear with time.

I've not tried gpe-multisync yet, I'll get around to it when more stuff works  I'm working on getting gpe-nmf working at the moment, an audio-player I think is a pretty critical app. I'll update the feed later if I'm successful.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: cycojesus on September 17, 2004, 05:45:41 am
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but as always nothing for the 5600...
cycojesus,

Try this link.

http://handhelds.org/~pb/oe/images/poodle/ (http://handhelds.org/~pb/oe/images/poodle/)

1. You will need the updater.sh from OZ for this to work.
2. Rename the zimage file as just zimage
3. Rename the  gpe-image file as initrd.bin

Flash as you normally would.

I've tried this on my 5600 and have reported my findings, so I will warn you now that the touch screen has major issues at the moment so you may wish to wait for a newer image to appear.

Hope this inspires some hope.

Not sure if you use IRC, bu I logon to #GPE and #Handhelds.org on irc.handhelds.org. The people there are very friendly and helpful.

A quick thank you to all developers involved in these projects.
I love you  I will try it as soon as possible ! (this afternoon I'll have my card reader back so I'll be able to unbrick my Z  Time to get back to experimentation Youhou!!)
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: h2gofast on September 17, 2004, 05:54:44 am
I tried to install gaim using ipkg -d ram install gaim and ran out of space.
I'm still a little foggy about the separation between memory and storage on the Zaurus.
Internal Flash (Mounted at / )totals 14 MB and Sytem Memory totals 60.9 MB.
I thought the -d ram flag would install to memory. I'm not sure what I'm missing here.
Sorry about the newbie question.

aghh, forgot my morning coffee and that this was a 64-0 kernel.
I really need to wake up before I post.

I couldn't successfully flash with kernels from CoreDump's link
http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/ker...xa3-embedix-r6/ (http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/kernel/OE-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r6/)
I don't have an sd card so I'm limited for testing new packages.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: aking on September 17, 2004, 09:16:20 am
Thanks for the images Cwiiis!  I just tried the latest image you posted and here's
my results:

  - control panel still doesn't open
  - toolbar works much better than the previous image.  I don't
    see any problems with it now.
  - rotation applet no longer rotates the screen.  It did with the
    previous image
  - power save mode/auto lcd shutoff still doesn't work.  This is really
    the only thing stopping me from using this image fulltime
  - WEP/wireless works great.  I don't use usb networking
 
One other question - is there a package I can install to play ogg files?
gpe-nmf doesn't seem to work and there's no xmms available.  Thanks!
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 17, 2004, 02:08:05 pm
I love how clean GPE looks compared to OPIE!

I prefer Gnome to KDE on the desktop and GPE has a similar, simple, almost restful appearance.

Is there a good place to find apps for GPE? Rather than just a feed listing, am looking for some sort of description to actually tell me what each app does.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 18, 2004, 06:49:55 am
I also love how GPE looks too, and I'm dedicated to getting it working nicely for the same reason I use Gnome instead of KDE  (and I used to be a huge KDE advocate, so it's not like I haven't tried both).

Significant changes coming in today's (hopefully) image:
-Working gpe-nmf (Mostly done)
-Single-click interface changes (in progress)
-gpe-games (in progress)

aking - The control panel is a redudant link, meant for gpe appmgr (what was used before mb-desktop) - I've removed it now. Ogg support works great in gpe-nmf, stay tuned  I'll see what I can do about the auto shut-off of the LCD, but no promises on that one... That and keylaunch seem to be the last big problems with GPE on the Zaurus, which is nice
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 06:59:11 am
Awesome

Will it be able to suspend and resume using the on/off (cancel) button?

Do you know any word processor/spreadsheet programs that run on GPE?

Even a basic spreadsheet would be nice.

Would also love to get apache and mysql working on it too.

I love the way that GPE gives the Zaurus a total face lift. The same way that changing from XP to Gnome on my laptop was such a dramatic and yet (mostly - apm and linux still is a pain) welcome change!
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 18, 2004, 07:13:46 am
Suspend/resume has been working with gpe-image for a while now, so yes, that'll work  hehe - gpe-word doesn't work at the moment apparently, so I can't build that... I might see about insisting it gets uploaded so I can have a try for myself though...

Someone was saying yesterday that Gnumeric works quite well in GPE, once you customize the toolbars and such - I can compile that, but it's a Gnome app, so it pulls in a lot of large dependencies.
Looking at AbiWord, it doesn't make any mention on the website that it requires Gnome libraries, so I might see if I can add that to OE - but again, it's probably not great on such a small screen.

App availability for GPE isn't great yet, but we'll get there soon
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 07:36:52 am
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Suspend/resume has been working with gpe-image for a while now

The image that I grabbed thursday night didn't seem to want to work with suspend/resume

I've a 128mb SD card, so if I can utilise that, I should hopefully be able to add some larger programs onto the system, though am afraid they might not work very well, not sure how fast they'd find my 5500!

Is there a central repository for GPE compatible apps? Like the killefiz.de database, though those seem to be mostly OPIE apps.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 07:39:09 am
On a separate note, is there a beginner's step by step guide to how to get into the whole app building/testing/fixing etc for this sort of thing, I'm sure loads of people would like to get involved, like myself, but don't know quite how to start or know what skills they need to learn, etc.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Wouter on September 18, 2004, 08:51:46 am
I've also flashed the GPE rom, and I have to say it looks very nice indeed! (thanks Cwiiis :-)) Nice to do some experimenting with the zaurus again ;-) I'm now trying to run the whole thing from a SD card instead of the internal flash...
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 09:28:25 am
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I'm now trying to run the whole thing from a SD card instead of the internal flash...

Is that doable with OE/OZ 3.5? If so, how?

I tried that with OZ 3.3.5, using the linux-migration.org notes, and while it works, everything seems a lot slower.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 18, 2004, 10:58:22 am
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Is that doable with OE/OZ 3.5? If so, how?

From what I understand it should work in much the same way.

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I tried that with OZ 3.3.5, using the linux-migration.org notes, and while it works, everything seems a lot slower.

It will be as SD card access is slower than accessing the ROM.


Si
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 11:10:56 am
Is there a way to put the quick bits back on the ROM and the slow bits and storage on the SD card?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 18, 2004, 11:13:44 am
I suppose so, or you could put infrequently used parts on SD and the rest on the ROM. Symlink fun  


Si
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: omro on September 18, 2004, 01:33:07 pm
*sigh*
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 18, 2004, 05:34:29 pm
I'm working pretty hard on getting various bits and pieces up to scratch in OE before release, so there won't be any more 'preview' releases before the actual OZ release.

Here are a few changes I've made since the last lot I mentioned:
-Update all matchbox-related packages to the latest versions (gives a slight speed-boost, probably fixes some bugs)
-Remove gpe-timesheet from the base image
-Add matchbox-panel-manager to the base image
-Add gpe-games to OE (gpe-go, gpe-lights, gpe-othello and gpe-tetris)
-Update libgtkstylus and libgpevtype

And a few changes I'm working on:
-Get gpe-nmf working completely correctly (it plays songs at the moment, but doesn't display elapsed time/song-length and doesn't progress to the next song when one finishes)
-Get minilite to stop acting funny in the panel
-Fix rxvt-unicode to use a decent font (not started)
-Get screen dimming/auto-shut-off working (not started)

Given that I don't even have 24 hours left to do this, not all the changes I'm working on will make it (especially the last two) - If they don't, I'll carry on working on it for the next release and I guess I'll carry on release preview images
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: auburn74 on September 18, 2004, 09:07:56 pm
will oz 3.5.1pre1 sunc with outlook and win xp?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 18, 2004, 10:09:41 pm
With the opie-image, possibly, with the gpe-image, no. At least, not as far as I know anyway.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: oxstone on September 19, 2004, 05:13:07 am
I installed it. It's very nice. However, there's no fdisk, and I need to re-partition my CF card to install more programs... How can I do that?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 19, 2004, 06:10:38 am
Install it from one of the OZ 3.3.6pre1 feeds - fdisk is command line, so it doesn't matter whether you're running Opie or GPE on top.


Si
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: oxstone on September 19, 2004, 06:37:53 am
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Install it from one of the OZ 3.3.6pre1 feeds - fdisk is command line, so it doesn't matter whether you're running Opie or GPE on top.


Si
I'll do that. Thanks for the info.

I'm having a really annoying problem: the keyboard window does not open. Therefore, I can't input anything while my zaurus is connected to the cradle. I can't upgrade the packages and so on...
I'd like to reboot my zaurus, but there's no reboo, halt nor shutdpwn command!!!  
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: oxstone on September 19, 2004, 06:55:33 am
That's probably a bug: I logged out. Then, there's only the keyboard layout displayed. I can't login anymore, I have to reboot.

Ouch!!! The same happened after a reboot! I'll have to reflash!  
That problem happened after I changed the owner information.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: jscriv on September 19, 2004, 10:16:53 pm
I just had the same issue - after changing owner info, and specifying that it should be shown on the login screen, I then logged out and could not log in again. Needed a re-flash.

Loving the look and speed of GPE and OE... fantastic. Has given a new lease of life to my 5500...

Thanks,

Jeremy.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Airwolf on September 20, 2004, 03:57:01 pm
Thought i would dust off my 5500 and give GPE a try. (Been using a P900 for a few months and not really had any need to use the Z.

Really impressed by the speed and clean look of the interface.

Prior to me trying the new OZ 3.5.1, i was wondering if there is an email application available under GPE that support POP and IMAP?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: oxstone on September 20, 2004, 05:01:01 pm
I found 2 other bugs:
- console (rxvt) closes when executing a simple ls. It does not happens each time. I'd say it depends of the contents of the directory one tries to display.
- the zaurus isn't recognized by my desktop. I don't manage to establish a connection between my zaurus and my desktop each time I try.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: oxstone on September 20, 2004, 05:08:14 pm
Another bug: /etc/resolv.conf contents is quite strange! It indicates a file as a nameserver address.

I'd have liked to get a feed URL in /etc/ipkg.conf instead of having to write it by myself (I'm a bit lazy!   )
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: macwiz on September 20, 2004, 06:23:54 pm
I can't find the image(s) mentioned at the start of this thread. Is it about to be released?!
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Elleomea on September 21, 2004, 01:42:29 pm
Just tried the GPE release from openzaurus.org and had the same problem someone else mentioned with the testing releases. I had the package manager crash attempting to do a list update and had to reset. Now GPE is completely unusable with just a keyboard positioned in the middle of the screen and a single input box, instead of the login manager. A full reset does nothing to help the situation.

GPE appears great and runs very nicely, but with this bug it's not very practical for actual usage.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Cwiiis on September 21, 2004, 02:04:30 pm
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Just tried the GPE release from openzaurus.org and had the same problem someone else mentioned with the testing releases. I had the package manager crash attempting to do a list update and had to reset. Now GPE is completely unusable with just a keyboard positioned in the middle of the screen and a single input box, instead of the login manager. A full reset does nothing to help the situation.

GPE appears great and runs very nicely, but with this bug it's not very practical for actual usage.
Please read the release notes on the wiki - You could've avoided this situation. OZ 3.5.1 is not a stable release and thus does have problems, known and unknown.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Elleomea on September 21, 2004, 02:43:33 pm
Ah sorry, I'd looked at the release notes a day or two ago and it wasn't listed as a problem, just didn't think to look again.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: Hrw on September 21, 2004, 07:00:27 pm
fdisk is built-in in busybox - run /sbin/fdisk
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 21, 2004, 07:38:25 pm
How does one suspend?

I couldn't find a suitable command (there's also nothing on the 'Start Menu', and 'apm --suspend' complained.


Si
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 21, 2004, 08:00:37 pm
One more thing, apm (probably) isn't working correctly.

My 5500 thought it was charging when it wasn't (reflected in the GUI task bar icon as well as the apm output - though the former probably uses the latter anyway).


Si
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: jscriv on September 21, 2004, 10:08:26 pm
lardman - the Cancel/On-Off button suspends and resumes fine for me on my 5500.

Did you mean something else?

Jeremy.
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: franktj2000 on September 22, 2004, 12:01:35 am
does wireless networking work on this image?  I inserted my socket wlan card, but the led doesnt even light up.  Also on settings, I see both wlan config and network setup, but looks like there are similar settings on both, so I dont know where to start.  I know my wlan works on my opie-image setup.   I have a 5500 with openzaurus 3.5.1 and a 5000 with gpe, so I can try both roms at the same time :-)
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: macwiz on September 22, 2004, 04:23:02 am
I am not having much luck with the package manager in GPE. How do you install ipks?

I would learn ipkg, but the help that comes up is unreadable on my small screen in the terminal. I tried redirecting it to a text file, but just got blank. Does anyone know where I find the original ipkg help file in the file structure so I can read it better wrapped in a text editor?

Or any good advice on getting things to install in GPE.

Thanks!
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: lardman on September 22, 2004, 05:11:35 am
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lardman - the Cancel/On-Off button suspends and resumes fine for me on my 5500.

Did you mean something else?

Jeremy.

lol, I've been running unstable GPE distros on my 5500 for so long (with which the on/off button either wouldn't work, or would require a hard reset to resume) that I'd completely forgotten about it.

Thanks :-)


Si

P.S. Is there a software command to suspend - to be added to the 'start menu'?
Title: OZ 3.5.1pre1 + GPE testing
Post by: clive_2004 on September 22, 2004, 07:48:29 am
Sounds great!

Is there any chance of a build for the C860 please?  

..Clive