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Hi,
Has anyone actually managed to install the Hancom Apps on OZ 3.5.1 and if so, could they please post an idiot's guide (and I mean very simple) to explain how to install it all and make all the necessary preparations. Would be so cool
Thanks!
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While we're on the subject, does anyone have Open Office for the Zaurus? (Why settle for something less?)
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I don't think they do a scaled down OpenOffice for embedded market
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I've installed Hancom word and sheet. I have a sl-5600 and have installed everything so far to my sd card which is formatted ext2. My procedure may or may not work for you.
In package manager, I defined a target "card" which points to /mnt/card. You will also need to install the compatibility libs. Find and download the older Hancom ipks (I could not get the 1.5.0s to work).
From terminal, I used ipkg to install from my cf card:
for sheet:
ipkg install /mnt/cf/hancomsheet-en_1.0.1_arm.ipk -d card -force-depends
(you can ignore the error concerning gpe-base since it is already in oz thus the force-depends)
Find out where the app resides (from terminal you can use "find /opt/ -name hancomsheet").
Then from terminal "makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/hancomsheet"
Also from terminal (if you are installing to card or cf) "ipkg-link mount /mnt/card"
For good measure go to "Settings" and then "Shutdown" and "Restart Opie". The icon for HancomSheet will then show up in the apps tab.
You can pretty much repeat this for Hancom Word. The app name is HancomMobileWord.
This is a little complicated but once you install one app like this, the rest are easy. HTH,
Robert
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I don't think they do a scaled down OpenOffice for embedded market
Gnumeric does however run at realistic speed under pdaxrom so would be worth being in OZ for GPE.
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and abiword
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If anyone can tell me how to get gnumeric and abiword working under OZ then that'd be fab too :-)
I don't really want to use the older hancom apps, the apps are subtly different and the difference especially when you open an app, does annoy me.
I know it's not a big deal to the OE/OZ developers, as they've so many other things to do, but if they could put a few resources into supplying a viable word processor and spreadsheet package for their system, I and most users would appreciate it. These are pretty fundamental needs for most PDA users, or so I would have thought.
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If anyone can tell me how to get gnumeric and abiword working under OZ then that'd be fab too :-)
I am in the process of getting gnumeric on my C860, I have compiled it but when you hit open it crashes. Currently debugging.
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Has anyone actually managed to install the Hancom Apps on OZ 3.5.1 and if so, could they please post an idiot's guide (and I mean very simple) to explain how to install it all and make all the necessary preparations. Would be so cool
Assuming you want the new versions, it's just not something an 'idiot' can do (and not really worth the effort for the differences imo).
There's a thread about this on the forum already. It may be mixed in with one about getting the Sharp ROM PIM apps running on OZ. Not 3.5.1 specifically but I see no reason why it should be different from the older versions.
The thread I'm talking about just links to the devnet (where the work was done and documented), so you'd best find it sooner rather than later.
Si
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not really worth the effort for the differences imo
In my experience, the older hancom apps start up with a file open dialog box which lists all the files they could possibly open as a giant long list, no indication of where they are located just a long list. And in the older hancom word, this long list is even longer as each file seems to be replicated three times.
In the newer hancom apps, they open with a blank document and the file open dialog actually allows you to browse through the zaurus for things.
I personally prefer this latter approach and personally think that having a PDA without a decent and functioning spreadsheet and word processor makes a PDA a bit of a pointless thing to have if you can't even have such standard and basic applications.
As per usual, I've tried OZ 3.5.1, I've really liked the look of it, but the fact that I can't use the hancom apps, I have to use word and excel files everyday, has forced me to go back to tkRom yet again.
Ok, I'm no developer and I apologise for not being one, because ranting about something I can't contribute towards seems extremely hypocritical even to myself, but I find the apparent lack of interest in developing the basic, core apps, like a word processor, a spreadsheet, a decent pim, a decent media player and a web browser for this platform to be extremely frustrating.
I consider myself to be a normal user that likes to do a few non standard things with my PDA, that's why I bought the Zaurus in the first place, the opportunity to do all the standard things, but flirt with more advanced things as well was the selling point for me. BUT, constantly and consistently with the Zaurus, and I'm guessing Linux PDAs on the whole, they've proven themselves to be purely niche products, aimed purely at geeks and the like, who are happy to put their barely used by the masses programs on them at the expense of more standard apps. Yet it's these standard apps and their functionality that appeal to the normal user and if these standard applications were actually decent and pleasant to use, you'd find more normal users using this platform and as a result more demand for it and thus more units sold and more development in linux PDAs and thus more toys for the geeks to put their less standard apps on.
I'm not surprised that Sharp has begun to abandon the platform outside of it's main market of Japan, no normal user is really interested in buying a PDA that they can't just use for their standard day to day tasks. They might as well buy a palm or a pocket pc that just do these things.
I just think that by ignoring the basics, the linux PDA platform is never ever going to take off in anyway and that it will forever remain a niche and that's just such a shame.
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As per usual, I've tried OZ 3.5.1, I've really liked the look of it, but the fact that I can't use the hancom apps, I have to use word and excel files everyday, has forced me to go back to tkRom yet again.
Fair enough. It will never become easier to use the later Hancom apps - take a look at the posts on the devnet, it really is a very messy process. One possibility might be to try OZ+GPE with the Yopy X11 based Hancom apps, not sure what version they are though.
but I find the apparent lack of interest in developing the basic, core apps, like a word processor, a spreadsheet, a decent pim, a decent media player and a web browser for this platform to be extremely frustrating.
PIM isn't that bad is it? Media player is okay, but the one lifted from the 6000 is nice I agree - not too far off though to get this functionality in Opie (once opie-mediaplayer2 starts working again ;-)). Web browser is more difficult; you can use Opera and Konq is getting better afaik.
The real problem with the word processor and spreadsheet is that they are rather large apps to develop (this has all been thrashed out before). I'd love to have a decent word processor and spreadsheet but I certainly haven't got the motivation to develop either myself (actually I would like to add graphing to opie-sheet..., one day, need more time, etc.).
Si
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I've installed Hancom word and sheet.
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Then from terminal "makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/hancomsheet"
Would somebody be so kind to tell me where do I find "makecompat"?
Would this make the spreadsheet work in the SL-5500?
Thanks,
-G-
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makecompat is part of the oz-compat pkg
dan
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I've tried makecompat (after fixing my HancomWord 1.5.0 ipk) and it says:
Could not locate application HamcomMobileWord
hancomsheet says the same thing. I've tried re-running makecompat (normal and compat libs) and it still doesn't work.
I also tried rebooting and doing:
/etc/init.d/quickexec start
No luck.
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Make sure the binary exists (i.e. you've run ipkg-link if needs be).
It does work.
Si
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This is slightly OT, and I'm sure covered in previous threads, but does makecompat work with the Sharp PIM's from the v 3.13 ROM? More importantly, would Intellisync 3.2 work with OZ 3.5.1 and these apps? I love OZ overall, and am largely indifferent about the PIM apps, but unfortunately Outlook at work is a necessity--including sync'ing text notes and e-mail attachments. . .
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but does makecompat work with the Sharp PIM's from the v 3.13 ROM? More importantly, would Intellisync 3.2 work with OZ 3.5.1 and these apps? I love OZ overall, and am largely indifferent about the PIM apps, but unfortunately Outlook at work is a necessity--including sync'ing text notes and e-mail attachments. . .
This is complicated.
The later Sharp apps are difficult to get running, and even then they don't run too well. This has been discussed (on the devnet, and more recently on this forum), and should be easily found with a search (search either for hancom or pim apps as all the new versions suffer the same problems). The compat libs will be required in any case (as the GCC version has changed - they do nothing but overcome the name-mangling differences anyway).
I'm not sure about the later version of Intellisync; you'd have to install samba, but it probably wouldn't work anyway, however it'd be interesting to know either way.
Si
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WOW! It seems excessively difficult to install stuff under OZ. I mean, on my FC2 laptop I can use yum or even rpm to do it. But so far I have failed to have even one application that I installed with ipkg work at all.
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I've installed Hancom word and sheet. I have a sl-5600 and have installed everything so far to my sd card which is formatted ext2. My procedure may or may not work for you.
In package manager, I defined a target "card" which points to /mnt/card. You will also need to install the compatibility libs. Find and download the older Hancom ipks (I could not get the 1.5.0s to work).
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What are the compatibility libs & where can I find them?
I had OZ 3.2 on my 5000d installed previously, and I don't remember having to install any compatibility libs.
This is what I had installed on OZ 3.2:
Hancom Mobile Word 1.4.4
Hancom Presenter Viewer 1.2.8
Hancom Sheet 1.0.1
Jeode 3.0.4
One nice feature with 3.5.1 is that I've found it syncs perfectly with Qtopia Desktop 1.7 running under my Slackware Linux. :-)
-John
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@peter_s_conrad:
WOW! It seems excessively difficult to install stuff under OZ. I mean, on my FC2 laptop I can use yum or even rpm to do it. But so far I have failed to have even one application that I installed with ipkg work at all.
I don't understand your difficulty. The installation of the latest Sharp ROM apps is not anything like the same as installing a normal package. These apps have to be copied across manually (including their entire lib dependency chain), this is what causes these specific troubles.
For a normal install, setup your feed (or use local files) and use 'ipkg install'. seems pretty easy to me (much the same as using rpm in fact).
What (which packages) are you having trouble with?
@johnw:
What are the compatibility libs & where can I find them?
they fix name mangling between GCC 2.95 & GXX 3.xx C++ apps & in the feed.
I had OZ 3.2 on my 5000d installed previously, and I don't remember having to install any compatibility libs.
No, you wouldn't have needed them as OZ3.2 was compiled with GCC 2.95 rather than GCC 3.xx.
Simon
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Yes, I use ipkg install. I've tried to install the Hancom apps as well as VisualQ, Qpaint and a couple others. One of two things always happens:
1. There's a dependency that it claims it can't satisfy, so I download the package to satisfy the dependence and it says it's not installing it because all the files are already provided by an identically named package that is already installed. For example, Qpaint requires qpe-base, which requires qpe-embedded. It tells me it doesn't have qpe-embedded, but then when I try to install qpe-embedded it gives me a bunch of "not installing foo because it's already provided by qpe-embedded" messages. I'm paraphrasing a little bit.
2. It seems to install okay, but doesn't run. This is what VisualQ seems to do.
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1. There's a dependency that it claims it can't satisfy, so I download the package to satisfy the dependence and it says it's not installing it because all the files are already provided by an identically named package that is already installed. For example, Qpaint requires qpe-base, which requires qpe-embedded. It tells me it doesn't have qpe-embedded, but then when I try to install qpe-embedded it gives me a bunch of "not installing foo because it's already provided by qpe-embedded" messages. I'm paraphrasing a little bit.
qpe-base is provided by opie-base, use -force-depends and ignore the message.
2. It seems to install okay, but doesn't run. This is what VisualQ seems to do.
Tried it from the command line? You probably need the compat libs.
Si
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Yeah, I used -force-depends last night and it didn't seem to work. I'll try again. I want to use this Zaurus to edit images and OpenOffice docs and surf the web wirelessly (including FTP) and that's it. If I could get those few things working I'd be happy.
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Hmmm... when I install qpaint I also get:
update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/portmap: file does not exist
Why does that file not exist?
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No idea, it's probably a something which a different package was trying to alter (as I see no reason for qpaint to be bothered with it), I'd ignore it.
The file in question probably has something to do with the portmap application (wild guess ;-)), I'm not exactly sure what it does, but it's probably not too important.
Si
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So, the portmap problem apparently has something to do with the default package manager (see the other thread (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7042&st=15&#entry47586) where you just replied to me). So I installed opie-aqpkg and now I"m at least getting different error messages-- the Hancom apps apparently don't specify an architecture now.
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So, the portmap problem apparently has something to do with the default package manager
No, I just said that I don't think it would be affecting what you're installing (or caused by what you're installing).
It's also not a problem with the package manager.
My guess is that some package has installed a script (as part of the ipk) which is trying to access portmap. I don't know why, I don't know which (but I've not seen this error so I presume it's something you've installed). You could try using grep to find out where it's called from....?
So I installed opie-aqpkg and now I"m at least getting different error messages-- the Hancom apps apparently don't specify an architecture now.
This is a documented problem with the control files in the hancom app ipks....
A quick search for "Hancom AND control" found a number of hits. Try this one:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...com,and,control (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6457&hl=hancom,and,control)
Simon
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As soon as I went to the Cacko ROM I was able to install and run Hancom, VIsualQ, and the other apps I've been having trouble with.
I'm going to chalk this up to OZ 3.5.1 really being more of an alpha than a beta
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As soon as I went to the Cacko ROM I was able to install and run Hancom, VIsualQ, and the other apps I've been having trouble with.
I'm going to chalk this up to OZ 3.5.1 really being more of an alpha than a beta smile.gif
No, this is because Cacko is based on the Sharo ROM (and uses the same crippled ipkg). OZ uses a different version of ipkg (read later, more robust, better IMHO ;-)), which is more choosy about the format of the control files.
With regards to running things the same holds true - Cacko is based on the Sharp ROM, whereas OZ is moving forward (to GCC 3.x and a later libc) which is why you need the compat libs.
Glad you've found what you were after anyway.
Si
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Make sure the binary exists (i.e. you've run ipkg-link if needs be).
It does work.
Si
It definately exists and runs *something*, then takes a while for it to complain about something missing.
After trying from the command line I get this:
./hancomword
qeclient_sendcommand(): failed to connect() (after 20 sec wait)!
Looks like a quickexec problem, so I:
/etc/init.d/quickexec start
Now if I run from the command-line it returns right away. If I run from the launcher it comes back right away with the "could not find" message.
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I meant hancomsheet for those, not hancomword. I just tried uninstalling, reinstalling, and running makecompat anew, but it still does the same thing...
I just realized that it's actually outputting the name of the binary before quitting. Like this:
root@collie:/# hancomsheet
/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/hancomsheet
root@collie:/#
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I think you're trying to use the wrong version.
You need to use the version which came with the original 5500 2.xx ROMs.
I don't get the error which you're talking about and it does work on my Z.
Simon
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I've just tried using HancomSheet (up until now, I'd just started it and done some random typing to ensure that it didn't crash).
The bad news is that although it runs, the numbers displayed in the cells are not the same as those which you input.
I had been wondering where this -soft-float incompatibility had gone and it looks like this is where.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I do wonder whether HancomWord/Presenter/Opera will work (assuming they don't have to do floating point calcs - which is probably assuming far too much ;-))
Si
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@ lardman
I saw this from one of your previous posts:
What are the differences? I thought the main one was that the older apps could save rtf and the new ones can't. The reason why the newer ones can't be installed easily is Sharp's closed source drivers. If you really want them then a group of us did get them working, there are two threads about it on the devnet:
http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...,features&st=15 (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...,features&st=15)
http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=3351& (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=3351&)
Now this is curious, there was more info in the first thread but I can't seem to find it. There was a posting by drboom "Posted on: May 16 2003, 07:28 PM" which doesn't seem to be there any more, but can be found with the search function.
Ah, ha - look here: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...opic=3250&st=10 (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...opic=3250&st=10)
Of course, DevNet is now down for good. . . is there anywhere else to take a look at these? The mirror of the site here at ZUG seems to be unavailable too. . . I'm giving a shot at getting the Hancom apps, Sharp PIM's, and/or Opera installed and working (just for something to do. . . ). If I succeed at any or all I plan to write HOWTO's based on 3.5.1.
On a related topic, in terms of the packages themselves I can't seem to get the ones packages for the Sharp ROM to install. . . ipkg complains. OZ packages are based on the ar format, right?
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If I succeed at any or all I plan to write HOWTO's based on 3.5.1.
I don't think this will work due to the soft-float thing.
Of course, DevNet is now down for good. . . is there anywhere else to take a look at these? The mirror of the site here at ZUG seems to be unavailable too
I think offroadgeek was going to try to integrate this stuff, best ask him as I don't have any copies of this stuff (I don't think).
Opera is easy to install (it used to install and work fine on 3.3.6pre1), it'll probably install fine on 3.5.1, but it may not work (I've not tried it yet), again due to the soft-float thing.
The Hancom and PIM apps from the 3.xx Sharp ROM are difficult because of libsl and quicklauncher (is that the name). If you want to try to get these to run, good luck ;-).
On a related topic, in terms of the packages themselves I can't seem to get the ones packages for the Sharp ROM to install. . . ipkg complains. OZ packages are based on the ar format, right?
OZ ipkg can handle ar or tar.gz ipks; the problem is that some of the control files in these packages are not formed to ipkg's liking. I can't remember off the top of my head what it is about them, but this has already been thrashed out elsewhere on the forum, so I'd try a search for it.
Si
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If I succeed at any or all I plan to write HOWTO's based on 3.5.1.
I don't think this will work due to the soft-float thing.
That's too bad- I really hate having the older apps put my files in arbitrary folders.
The Hancom and PIM apps from the 3.xx Sharp ROM are difficult because of libsl and quicklauncher (is that the name). If you want to try to get these to run, good luck ;-).
I was planning to grab copies of quickexec, libsl and libzdtm (although the latter is part of the Sharp PIM's packaged by tKc) from the Sharp ROM and seeing if I could package them up.
On a related topic, in terms of the packages themselves I can't seem to get the ones packages for the Sharp ROM to install. . . ipkg complains. OZ packages are based on the ar format, right?
OZ ipkg can handle ar or tar.gz ipks; the problem is that some of the control files in these packages are not formed to ipkg's liking. I can't remember off the top of my head what it is about them, but this has already been thrashed out elsewhere on the forum, so I'd try a search for it.
I did see this in one of the other threads, and I'm working on it using the Ipkg HOWTO on the OpenZaurus.org site. The error I'm getting now is "can't find file hancommobileword. . ", even though I know I'm pointing ipkg towards the right place. So, I figured it was because I packaged it with tar.gz instead of ar.
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That's too bad- I really hate having the older apps put my files in arbitrary folders.
Even the older apps will suffer from this I'm afraid (at least HancomSheet does - that's all I've tried).
The error I'm getting now is "can't find file hancommobileword. . ", even though I know I'm pointing ipkg towards the right place. So, I figured it was because I packaged it with tar.gz instead of ar.
No, this is due to the control file.
Si