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Konqueror dependencies not on OZ feed, want browser. NOTHING works for me... story of my life. Any input?
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Konqueror dependencies not on OZ feed, want browser. NOTHING works for me... story of my life. Any input?
You need libcre0_4.4-r1_arm.ipk from the upgrade feed and you should install the service-release.ipk also from the same feed.
I had to force install the konqueror ipk to work properly.
Greg
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/me can't find that package
EDIT: found!
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Ok, I'm not seeing libcre anywhere. SL-5500, installed OZ 3.5.2, installed Konq from feed, it wouldn't load (complaining about libcre). I installed pcre (in the 3.5.2 unknown folder), it loads, and will at least load a directory. Try to open a text file, does just fine. Try to open an HTML file and it sigsevs. Any ideas?
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libpcre0 and the service release are both in the upgrades feed.
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*selfsmites* Ahh, there it is. For those who are like me and apparently can't see the word "upgrades" in the list of folders in OZ's web browser...
http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/upgrades (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/upgrades)
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*selfsmites* Ahh, there it is. For those who are like me and apparently can't see the word "upgrades" in the list of folders in OZ's web browser...
http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/upgrades (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/upgrades)
OZ's web brower? OZ has a brower?
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Of course - we have even four:
* Konqueror/Embedded for Opie,
* Dillo, Firefox, and Minimo for GPE.
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Of course - we have even four:
* Konqueror/Embedded for Opie,
* Dillo, Firefox, and Minimo for GPE.
I meant does it COME with one? But no. BTW, excellent work Mickeyl
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Anybody know the ipk of Opera 7.55, I heard it is already release.
Opera 7.3 works w/ oz+compat lib, but it crash too easily.
(Probably becuase of the flash.....)
Opera seems the only browser support Chinese
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Collie owners only: Hmm why are you folks so inclined to have a browser installed per default? Is it more important than PIM? What would you be able to sacrifice for having konq/e in the default image?
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I'd settle for a better FAQ section that outlines, if you want Konqueror as a web browser, install libcre0, and service-release, before installing the konq.ipk.
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I think that faq is located at http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstabl...upgrades/README (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/upgrades/README)
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@Mickeyl
I like the idea of a browser by default for one reason only. Packages are a pain to get down through normal means (we have very strict network policies in here ) and it's much easier to bring them down over wireless. Wireless needs authentication, and a browser install seems to be the easiest way to set up the facility to authenticate.
But then, I don't use the PIM. Ever. My goals have always been 'laptop substitute'
And a browser is a quick win if you want to show off what a zaurus can do.
Harry.
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Harlekin: That's right. I'll think about having a fourth OZ image flavour per default - something like "Admin's tool", with no PIM, but instead a Browser and a couple of network admin tools, i.e. Wellenreiter and friends.
Would that sound interesting? What else would you like to have in that image?
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For me, useful things would be
vnc client (have to support windows + *nix environments),
nmap +wellenreiter,
good wireless support (already there)
openssh (dropbear gives sftp errors when using pscp from windows.
good bluetooth support (unsure about whether that's in place),
and of course the browser.
A MAJOR selling point for me would be good authentication / privacy options in the event of theft, but to be honest I'd have difficulty defining examples of this.
That being said, the top 4 on the list are dealt with in the new Hentges + default cardfs solution that coredump and teletubbie have released.
I'm going to give rdesktop a shot in the near future. Should be easier than tunnelling vnc through ssh (ssssllllooooowwwwww - and I've not got it working on the zaurus yet ). If that works out it'd replace vnc client on the above list.
If I think of anything else, I'll add it.
Thanks for all the great work.
Harry.
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vnc client (have to support windows + *nix environments),
nmap +wellenreiter,
good wireless support (already there)
openssh (dropbear gives sftp errors when using pscp from windows.
The problem with all these apps is, that it will be damn hard to put them all into
an initrd.bin. Might work if one drops PIM, styles, themes, and most stuff in Settings.
The ROM would barely be usable but for these apps *and* you won't have any free space in / to speak of.
Of course one can install the missing stuff to a SD card, but you can already do that with the stock ROM.
Just my 2 cent.
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I'm another person who'd like to see a version of OZ that comes without the pim functionality.
I'm a sysadmin and I find myself needing to check my systems for security issues now and then so Off the top of my head my dream image may include:
Konquerer, Calculator, QPE-Gaim, Wellenreiter, Nessus (Not in the feeds, Once the openembedded site comes back up maybe I'll try my hand at getting it compiled), nmap, fbvnc and vncviewer, kismet,zsafe, and tcpdump.
Maybe a option would be to offer a 'base' opie package that does include anything other than konsose installed as a application and then use cardfs images like cordump made to install bundles of packages for different tasks.
Since I dont have a way to Sync the Zaurus with my Mac the pims end up just a waste of space for me.
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good bluetooth support (unsure about whether that's in place),
and of course the browser.
The bluetooth support is not realy good. Some kernelmodules are missing to get things work. I want to compile my own kernel for the Zaurus. I've read some howto's and I think it's to heavy for me
I think that we have to compile a kernel with so much modules as possible. The needed kernel modules can then be dowloaded from the website.
I think also that a base opie package and bundles of software would be a good idea
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Harlekin: That's right. I'll think about having a fourth OZ image flavour per default - something like "Admin's tool", with no PIM, but instead a Browser and a couple of network admin tools, i.e. Wellenreiter and friends.
Would that sound interesting? What else would you like to have in that image?
OO! OO! That would be cool! Usb storage. My Z carries a 1gb sd and 1gb cf card at all times so this would be handy.
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OK, I installed libpcre0_4.4-r1_arm.ipk and service-release-1-oz-opie_3.5.2-r1_arm.ipk on my 5600 running 3.5.2. When I try to install konq with ipkg -force-depends install konqueror-embedded_20030705-r3_arm.ipk I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".
I can't imagine what gunzip process it could be referring to as I haven't gunzipped anything yet on my Z. Any suggestions??
Mark
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I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".
I get the same error. Same conditions. ??
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Mickeyl,
forgive the quetstion if it implies an inordinate pain......
But..how hard would it be to compile minimo agaoinst qt as well as gtk (2 different versions of course), and concentrate on a single versatile gpl browser for oz and all other oe spawn? I suggest minimo because from what I ahve seen on my 5600 firefox is really too heavy, Konqueror embedded has had problems digesting some buggy visual basic stuff (I have to be able to talk to a school based version of Maximus called icue) dillo doesn't do ssl, and opera isn't gpl.
This isn't really a mememeee question. My district (I'm a teacher)is looking to provide pe teachers with light portable devices to do attendance and such. OPera works, but a supply of reasonable priced zaurii just doesn't exist and sharp leaving the us makes 'em nervous. wince and kin simply don't do the job (though a friend is trying to find a way to get linux on the axim ---any oe builds for axim?). the obvious solution seems to be familiar on ipaqs w/gpe and minimo. That got me thinking..like mplayer.. that concentration a single good gpl application that is compiled in versions for opie and gpe wiould be a very good thing all around. Is this feasable? or ist like suggesting that a submarine that doubled as a helicopter would be cool?
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Of course, it would be a fine thing to have. But: Porting an application huge as a browser to a different GUI toolkit is a job that can take from several manmonths to several years.
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Thanks.
In that amount of time i might even learn enough to be helpful
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X forwarding anyone? I don't know how much that would help a network sysop, but it can be really handy in other situations. Even on my 5600 mozilla forwarded through pocketworkstation and displyed through pw's fbvnc is pretty snappy, and extremely powerful. Other heavyweight apps that might be used while raoming a campus come to mind readily. It would be really nice if it worked with the tap of a button in gpe (or e?) Would it be hard to set a button that did an x-query? or more versatile in that it will talk to win remote desktop (though maybe licenses are an issue?) an NX query of some kind?
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What about a similar approach to the hentges.net ROM and the cardfs binary - at install time, it asks if you want to install the apps in the cardfs binary. These then get installed to the SD card. It would be great to have all these extra admin/network/etc. apps preconfigured and ready to install at flash time.
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looking at the way the feed is setup, and given the existence of the bootstrap rom I can easily see doing this with OZ, or OZ going that way. All that would really be needed would be some text menu stuff. you know.. load the boot strap, load some script called "install-selector" or something then go through an easy(please) network and feed config, then options.."Do you want to run X or QT?" "default install desination root or sd?" "Do you prefer gpe/matchbox or e? "Do you want dpkg/debian repository compatibility or openzaurus feed?" "do you want pim? y or n?" Do you want nework admin packages y or n?" One would, obviously retain the ability to install and remove software.That, in conjunction with the out-of-the-box gpe and opie feeds ('m assuming here that if you are ..say .. a network admin, you are aware of it ) would make OZ/oe spawn incredibly powerful and flexible. It might also give the OE guys a chance to pare down the "core" setups for opie and gpe a little, If that was desired.
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OK, I installed libpcre0_4.4-r1_arm.ipk and service-release-1-oz-opie_3.5.2-r1_arm.ipk on my 5600 running 3.5.2. When I try to install konq with ipkg -force-depends install konqueror-embedded_20030705-r3_arm.ipk I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".
I can't imagine what gunzip process it could be referring to as I haven't gunzipped anything yet on my Z. Any suggestions??
Mark
Should I start another thread for this? This thread started off on installing konqueror but now it's spun off on another discussion. I'm just trying to avoid duplicate posts.
Thanks
Mark
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sorry.
I sometimes try to jam ideas wherever i think they might fit.
This might be kinda obvious wrong and or unobservant. ( I haven't messed with konq in 3.5.2) but it sounds kinda like you have a "wrong" or corrupted ipk.. If it hadn't occurred to you yet you ight try to re dl it and give it another go. Best i got- hope it helps
adf
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msjones,
I was able to get konqueror to work on my 5600 by installing libstdc++6 from the 3.5.1 feed. If anyone out there knows of a better way to get konqueror working on a 5600 please post it.
hope that helps... if you still have questions feel free to send me a PM
dale
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I was able to get konqueror to work on my 5600 by installing libstdc++6 from the 3.5.1 feed. If anyone out there knows of a better way to get konqueror working on a 5600 please post it.
I've got Konquerer working on my 5600 with just the 3.5.2 feed packages. Here's my install:
grog@poodle:~$ ipkg info konqueror-embedded
Package: konqueror-embedded
Version: 20030705-r3
Depends: pcre (>= 4.4), libstdc++6 (>= 3.4.2), oz-compat (>= 0.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5+1.2.6rc5), libz1 (>= 1.2.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2+cvs20040726), libjpeg62 (>= 6b), libgcc1 (>= 3.4.2)
Status: install user installed
Architecture: arm
Installed-Time: 1103052597lHaven't done much with it yet, but seems to work ok. HTH
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I would like to recommend Opera 6.0 as the browser to use with OZ 3.5.2. From what I've heard, higher versions of Opera are too unstable. Mozilla related browsers are too slow. I can tell you from experience that Konqueror-embedded (which you find in the opie feed) will cause you problems by putting cache on your romdisk, and it will crash while parsing java script.
So, use a creator to rip opera from the sharp distro, then install the pkg. Make a link from /usr/share/opera to /opt/QtPalmtop/opera (this fixes a bug). Use "Libraries" settings prog (that came with oz-compat) to make opera use the alternate libs.
OZ is great, and we should all help it along, but sometimes we want STABILITY in our lives, so stick on opera as well so you can breathe again after konq gets you angry.
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So, use a creator to rip opera from the sharp distro, then install the pkg.
Cool. I guess that means I need to reinstall the Sharp ROM to do that? And I can see operacreator in the ZUG feed, so I guess I'll use that one, right?
Thanks for the tips. seeyah
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You can get the opera ipk from the zug downloads iirc.
No need to flash another ROM just to extract it.
Si
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I would like to recommend Opera 6.0 as the browser to use with OZ 3.5.2.
Thanks for your replies. I have no problem with Opera. I thought I read that it was only for GPE and that the only browser for OPIE was konq.
BeKind,
Will OPERA install on OPIE as you suggested?
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Opera 6 was great but there was one big problem for me... I couldn't use the directional pad!!! I can on Opera 7 though, so I unfortunatly have to stick with that (which does crash all the time). Maybe the konqueror from 3.5.1 will work better than the current one???
Opera does work in opie (with compat libs), it's Firefox that doesn't.
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Maybe the konqueror from 3.5.1 will work better than the current one???
Unlikely, because it's still the same. The Konqueror/Embedded team has abandoned the version for Qt/Embedded 2.x a lot of months ago. AFAIK they're working w/ 3.x now.
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I have no problem with Opera. I thought I read that it was only for GPE and that the only browser for OPIE was konq.
No, Opera is only for Opie. Opie also has Konq.
GPE has: minimo; firefox; possibly Konq but I'm not sure.
Si
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Mickeyl,
I'd like to second the frustration of having a restrictive network. We have Novell BorderManager, which redirects browsers to an authentication page before allowing temporary internet access. I had thought of some kind of work-around using wget, but opted to use my home wireless network to get the browser. An admin image like you mentioned would be useful. vnc (keypebble or some other) and rdesktop are also good candidates for an admin image.
Thanks,
Brian
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I think that we have to compile a kernel with so much modules as possible. The needed kernel modules can then be dowloaded from the website.
There is very little reason to compile most things as modules. The amount of flash used by the kernel is fixed in size around 1MB. If we compile everything as a module the kernel becomes 500k and half of that is unused. The space for modules now gets taken out of the space for your root file system. If you compile them in you get the extra space on your file system and you leave less flash unusable.
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I dunno.... My exerience with OZ is that most stuff ends up on my sd card anyway.... I'd be perfectly happy to have just basic functions and a ton-O-modules on the internal flash and everything else (more or less--what makes "basic funcions" would be an issuemaybe the gui pim and the controls?) on sd, if the modules were actually needed. I don't know that such a radical system is required, just that it would be of little ultimate difference to the end-user in pratical terms... infact if one of those modules was journalling filsystem support the end-user might be better off...
just a thought,
adf
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OK, I installed opera 6 from the zug downloads as well as ozcompat and opie-sh from the 3.5.2 feed. I did ln -s /usr/share/opera /opt/QtPalmtop/opera. I ran makecompat from terminal and followed the promps to link opera to the ozcompat library. Rebooted. Opera icon shows up, I click icon and opera opens up. Opera opens up an html file.
Problem is the menus at the top are not appearing. All I can see is a square where each menu item should appear but there is no identification. If I click the squares, menu items will open up but I cannot tell what each one is untill I actually open it. Is there any way to correct this?
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OK, I installed opera 6 from the zug downloads as well as ozcompat and opie-sh from the 3.5.2 feed. I did ln -s /usr/share/opera /opt/QtPalmtop/opera. I ran makecompat from terminal and followed the promps to link opera to the ozcompat library. Rebooted. Opera icon shows up, I click icon and opera opens up. Opera opens up an html file.
Problem is the menus at the top are not appearing. All I can see is a square where each menu item should appear but there is no identification. If I click the squares, menu items will open up but I cannot tell what each one is untill I actually open it. Is there any way to correct this?
Sounds like there is a problem with your symlink between the source of /opt/QtPalmtop/opera and the destination of /usr/share/opera
Your symlink would appear to be going the wrong way.
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Sounds like there is a problem with your symlink between the source of /opt/QtPalmtop/opera and the destination of /usr/share/opera
Thank you JohnKiniston
I am a little new to linux. I reversed the symlink and all is well!
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Collie owners only: Hmm why are you folks so inclined to have a browser installed per default? Is it more important than PIM? What would you be able to sacrifice for having konq/e in the default image?
For me, vastly more important. I keep my phone numbers, appointments, etc. either on paper or on my cell phone. I purchased my C750 so that I could have a pocket-sized computer capable of all the essential tasks I use my desktop for, web browsing being chief among them. If I just wanted an electronic organizer, I would have stuck with my old Palm III.