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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => 6000 - Tosa => Topic started by: nevarrie on August 11, 2004, 03:11:26 pm
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I was able today to get a build made with openemebedded of GPE to flassh and run on an SL-6000L. I will try to get screen shots and picture on the internet. There is also a second 6k running GPE so it looks like it is repeatable. Right now I do not know what all works and what does not but at least it boots. 6k user may finally have an alternitive and it runs X.
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Cool!
Does it have any onboard development tools? I was looking through the OpenEmbedded packages and I'm not sure if the tools stay on the developemnt PC. They may get compiled and included in the package installed on the target machine.
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here are a few pictures of my Z running my build of GPE with openembedded:
Zaurus SL-6000 running GPE (http://www.thegrantclan.org/pics/zaurus.php)
As of right now there are still several things that do not work, such as WiFi and APM(Suspend and sleep lock the Z requiring a hard reset). Hopefully I will be able to find what is still missing form the kernel and have a build that will work on the SL-6000L. I will keep the zug posted on my progress.
dino...as of right now it is just a base rom so that I can fiugure out what needs to happon to get OZ working on the SL-6000. ,,I am not sure what development tools are already setup for build to be onboard but I am sure there is a way to add ones you would want ot the oe system if they are not already there...
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what's the performance like?
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Over all I fell it is faster then the default sharp rom in responce to clicking on an icons. But since I really do nto have much on the rom I built I can not tell you how well it runs programs yet. I am building a new kernel right now that should give me network access and then I will try out a few more programs.
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You are a hardcore dude, my friend. My hat is off to you. Keep up the good work for all of us lamers out here who arent nearly as gifted as you....
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I not so sure I would call myself that gifted...the people that have put OE together are the ones that are gifted...I am just willing to take a risk and see if I can make it work on my zaurus(Praying that it will not break my Z) and see what errors I get and see if someone can tell me how to fix it...
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nevarrie,
Any updates on network access? did you get it working?
I am >this< close to taking the plunge with an alternate image on my 6000. Can you post the procedure you used? I am well versed with Linux on the PeeCee but this embedded thing is a whole new world.
I feel 100% at home with the layout of RedHat/Fedora and Slackware. How does the openembedded distro compare?
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I have nto got the wifi working yet...I have finally got the kernel module to load and see that card but I have not had the time to get further then that on WiFi...I have been working on both a binary package that is using sharps stuff to uses the wifi using wlan-ng 0.2.0 and getting oe to build 0.2.1 pre21 for uses...
I did get my usb keyboard to work with OE though the biggest problem other then the networking right now is that apm does not work. This means that the z does not suspend correctly. It does go to sleep after 15 minutes and then requires the battery to be removed and then pressing the reset switch before it will power on again...I also have to uses the battery trick if I isssue a shutdown -h now.
As for you question on how the embedded distros compare to a desktop distro, OpenZaurus built using OpenEmbedded follows Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) (http://http://www.pathname.com/fhs/) so most files are where you would find them in redhat and other distros that follow this standard. In many ways I like OpenZaurus better then the default sharp rom since it does follow this standard and has an init structure like that find in redhat will sharp uses and init structure like that found in slackware and bsd.
As it is right now I run OpenZaurus during the week and then restore to Sharps rom for the weekend so I can uses my Z when I am going to school. Sharps restore works very well for getting you back to where you where before flashing a new rom. THe only thing I have found in flashing back and forth is that you must uses a cf card to flash the sharp rom onto you z, where as I flash OZ all week from my sd card.
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So you _have_ OZ running on your 6000? Or the OpenEmbedded as you mention? Be interesting to try this w/e, if it is OZ---which version, and was there anything special to be done as far as flashing?
---Matt
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OpenEmbedded (OE) is the build system used to build OpenZaurus (OZ) which is the distro for the Sharp machines.
As far as versions go, it's probably something like 3.5.1 - yes the number is correct and not a typo - (though there are no official versions at the moment).
Si
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So you _have_ OZ running on your 6000? Or the OpenEmbedded as you mention?
Write down 1000 times: OpenEmbedded is a build tool which happens to build OpenZaurus, OpenSIMpad, familiar linux, and others.
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So you _have_ OZ running on your 6000? Or the OpenEmbedded as you mention? Be interesting to try this w/e, if it is OZ---which version, and was there anything special to be done as far as flashing?
---Matt
As serveral have already said, I used OpenEmbedded to build an OpenZaurus kernel and jffs2 image. Flashing was not hard. Here is what I did:- put updater.sh, zImage.bin, and initrd.bin in the root of my sd card
- reset my Z then pressed the OK button while pressing the power botton.
- Selected Update from the menu that come up
- After the z printed the it was writing the kernel and image it asks you to reset
- After resetting the Z I have been pressing OK while powering on then selecting format from the menu. I am nto sure if this is needed though I have had a few times that it was stuck at the OpenZaurus boot image and would nto go further till I did the format, and the sharp room will not except screen input till the format has been issued.
- After format Z will reboot and you will see the GPE screen with OE at the bottom.
The is what I did to flash my 6k to run OpenZaurus using GPE. I will verify all this when I flash again today to try out the wlan-ng package.
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Any more news on OZ for your sl-6k ?????
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Gtreat going, Nevarrie, I have been following you in the OE IRC channel. I will be OEing my 6K next.
Need to back out my Sharp fs into a new initrd.bin, cause dont want to loose all my stuff, when I go back and forth. Then I am going to build a task-bootstrap, first, rather than a meta-gpe or meta-opie, cause I want to play with it in mode 3 first. Not really interested in the GUI's...
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Any more news on OZ for your sl-6k ?????
I had finals this weekend at school so I have need my Z working so that I could study. I have a new image built with the Wlan-ng that I hope to test later this weekend after I do I backup.
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Gtreat going, Nevarrie, I have been following you in the OE IRC channel. I will be OEing my 6K next.
Need to back out my Sharp fs into a new initrd.bin, cause dont want to loose all my stuff, when I go back and forth. Then I am going to build a task-bootstrap, first, rather than a meta-gpe or meta-opie, cause I want to play with it in mode 3 first. Not really interested in the GUI's...
the backup and restore in the sharp rom works really well. I have backs on both my win2k at work and I have made backups to my sd card that I have restored from...it takes me BACK TO THE WAY I was just before the restore...I have not had a problem with it yet..I like doing the backup o teh sd card better then the win2k machine since it creates one file whn backing up to the sd card while the win2k backup is a derectory...
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Any progress?
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Maybe they were posting from their Zaurus and turned it into a brick. The only reason I don't mess with mine. I don't mine botching up something in Linux on my computer cause I can always format the drive and reinstall if it's that bad, but a device that cost me big bucks that even the manufacturer will stop supporting is a different story.
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Maybe they were posting from their Zaurus and turned it into a brick.
Most of the time I do post from my Z, so I guess that could be a problem if I do brick it...though so far I have always been able to flash the sharp rom back on so taht I have a working Z again.
Alright for those interested here is where I am at currently...I have gpe working, some of the configuration apps are not working such assigning what the buttons do, fn key does nto work so no numbers through the builtin keyboard(uses the unscreen for now), I am able to suspend using "apm -s" though it always logs me out when I resume, and the biggest problem I have that I am workign on trying to get around is that the built in wifi is powered off and I cna not power it on with OZ as of yet.
A short discription of the problem is that sharp powers the usb wifi card on and off when it is used. The z boots up the wifi card off. Sharp uses /sbin/usbctl {on|off|status} {0|1} to turn the card on and off...the program is sending something to /dev/usb/host-ohci...
I have figured out eh usb host adapter is 0 and the wifi card is 1...The program will run on my gpe image but since I have nto created /dev/usb/host-ohci it gives me file not found...
Any one with ideas?
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I have wifi working on the 6k...right now I still have the uses /etc/init.d/wlan start/stop to uses it but that does not bother me if I can get online....I have been browsing the net wirh firefox once I issued:
xst write MATCHBOX/composite str off
So far I have not found it any slower or faster then Opera was on the sharp rom.
For those that are willing you can find a tar file of the initrd.bin, zImage and updater.sh that I am currently using at:
http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/gpe-t...20040916.tar.gz (http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/gpe-tosa-20040916.tar.gz).
I will try to keep people updated on my progresss...any help would be welcome...
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Hey Nevarrie
Thanks for making this available. I will flash my 6000 tonight!
Looking forward to having X on my Z.
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Let us know how it goes rospahr.
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Wow! I flashed the Z, and it looks nice. Once you get the keyboard Fn keys working, and just a few more things like apm, I could actually use this as my daily machine.
Keep up the great work!
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With OE/OZ on the 6000, what kind of sync options are we looking at for LInux computers?
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qtopia desktop, kitchensync, multisync
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Besides syncing with scp, another great program is "Unison". This is especially helpful since the Qtopia-desktop on linux does not sync with the SL-6000 and the Sharp rom 1.12
I do wish I could have a desktop version of the addressbook and calendar that was always able to be in sync with my Zaurus.
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Tried it out. Looks like it will be pretty cool when all the bugs are worked out.
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Ok, i wil download and flash my zaurus too...
It is very important for me having LInux on my SL6000
Is it possible write what are the bugs to solve ? and what are full functional things ?
HOW CAN INSTALL THE ROM ??? I've never flash a zaurus.... Thanks !
SORRY I HAVE SOLVED MY PROBLEMS !!!!
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hi,
HELP!!!
i flashed my 6K with OE/OZ just to check it out and it looks cool. but i now have problems getting back the original sharp ROM (v1.12) which i downloaded from http://www.zaurus.com/dev/tools/rom.htm (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/tools/rom.htm).
when i try to follow the instructions - unzipped the archive on a fat16 CF card, connected power to the zaurus and hitting the reset button after keeping Q & T keys pressed, i do get the power and mail LEDs glowing but they just stay like that and never go off. have tried to leave it for more than an hour. if i press reset the the OE/OZ boots up so presumable the flash hasnt been overwritten.
any help much appreciated.
thanks in advance,
/bazmi.
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Are the files in a folder or seperate? They have to not be in a folder. It does work, did it with mine. Although it is a different version than what came on mine. I had to do a restore from my zaurus after I reflashed from the website. If it still doesn't work redownload the zip file and try again.
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As BarryW said all files have to be in the root of the cf card. I have seen the problem you are seeing before' and usually it was do to having the wrong initrd.bin file on the cf card or one of the other files where missing. I would try removing all fo the files from the cf card and unzip them on there again.
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Actually I really like the hardware of the 6000 with its USB port, but I hesitate to buy it because of the limited number of working OS & softwares. The most important thing I would need to be working (after Wi-Fi and an ethernet CF card) would be SSH X11 forwarding. Does it actually work with OE/OZ on the 6000? Also, is APM still not working?
Thanks!
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the sun is shining again! thanks a lot. the problem seems to be with my CF card. i tried formatting it and copy files again and again but no luck. changed the CF card and everything worked fine.
thanks guys. and the OE/OZ looks super. great going!!
/bazmi.
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hi,
HELP!!!
i flashed my 6K with OE/OZ just to check it out and it looks cool. but i now have problems getting back the original sharp ROM (v1.12) which i downloaded from http://www.zaurus.com/dev/tools/rom.htm (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/tools/rom.htm).
when i try to follow the instructions - unzipped the archive on a fat16 CF card, connected power to the zaurus and hitting the reset button after keeping Q & T keys pressed, i do get the power and mail LEDs glowing but they just stay like that and never go off. have tried to leave it for more than an hour. if i press reset the the OE/OZ boots up so presumable the flash hasnt been overwritten.
any help much appreciated.
thanks in advance,
/bazmi.
just a question...Did you flash oe/oz with opie or gpe???
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The one nevarrie is working on is GPE.
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The one nevarrie is working on is GPE.
Yes I have that one too but I thougt he was talking about another one.
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The one nevarrie is working on is GPE.
To tell the truth I have an opie 3.5.1 image too...The biggest problem with it is that the Touch screen does not respond...though I am also having the problems with the touch screen on gpe for my newer images...though I can go back to the Sharp 1.12 and the touch screen works fine so I know I have not Bricked my Z yet...
Current Issues I am trying to work out:- Touch Screen not responding after calibration on gpe
- Touch Screen not responding at all on opie
- fn key combinations not working
- apm -s returns the user to login prompt
- Get power button so that it suspends
- make wlancfg on gpe so that it will uses wlan-ng and the builtin wifi card
- add "xst write MATCHBOX/composite str off" so that firefox works
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yes, i was using GPE.
btw, i read from nevarries posts that he was using firefox. when i tried to launch firefox, it didnt come up and all i got was a window in the middle of the screen with nothing in it. i had to kill the firefox process manually.
/bazmi.
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yes, i was using GPE.
btw, i read from nevarries posts that he was using firefox. when i tried to launch firefox, it didnt come up and all i got was a window in the middle of the screen with nothing in it. i had to kill the firefox process manually.
/bazmi.
you need to run this command in and x-terminal to get firefox to work. I need to figure out what needs to be changed so this it not needed. Thanks for reminding of this.
xst write MATCHBOX/composite str off
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I though I would let people know I have a working opie image for the 6k now. wlan-ng is still just from console to start and stop, hopefully someone will show me how to fix this. I have been pointed to opie-sh but have not had the time to look into it.
Any one that is intereested in finding problems with it you can download it from http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-...20041008.tar.gz (http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-tosa-20041008.tar.gz)
to get the dpad orented correctly install:
http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/libqt....7-r18_tosa.ipk (http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/libqte2_2.3.7-r18_tosa.ipk)
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Thanks for making this available. Have you had any luck in getting the Fn keys to work? How about the opie control panels, are they functioning more than the gpe ones?
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Have you had any luck in getting the Fn keys to work?
In opie the fn key works though NUM lock and CAP lock is still not working.
How about the opie control panels, are they functioning more than the gpe ones?
I know that the brightness control is not working...Though most other things I have tried at least come up unlike GPE...Suspend works as long as you do nto have the screen rotated, if the screen is rotated then it suspends but when it unsuspend it rotates back to portate and then waits 5 seconds before shutting off again...after that point it does that over and over again till you reset...I have not had time to work with it more then that other then to install konqur and make sure it worked...
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Just flashed my sl-6000 with the opie rom. Looks really nice! Can't seem to get the wlan0 up in the console. What am I missing? What is the command you use to bring up the wireless?
thanks!
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Okay I'm a dumbass, flashed the new opie rom to my z. Looks really cool, but still not quite there yet. Anyway I lost the origional rom . So, I pm'd nevarrie to see if he has the rom, havn't got an answer yet. So, anybody have a copy of the rom??
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Just flashed my sl-6000 with the opie rom. Looks really nice! Can't seem to get the wlan0 up in the console. What am I missing? What is the command you use to bring up the wireless?
thanks!
Assuming you've correctly setup your wireless settings, using the gui interface or iwconfig then you should be able to use
ifup wlan0
Some pepople have reported that a reboot can often get a wireless card working if it won't play.
There is also a fair bit of information on the OE wiki release notes.
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Nope that doesn't seem to work. Looks like it doesn't see the wireless at all.
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Opie looks really nice. If I could get the wireless to work, I could use this as my day to day OS. I can bring the wifi up, but can not get the wep to work. ifconfig does not see a wlan0 device.
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I can bring the wifi up, but can not get the wep to work. ifconfig does not see a wlan0 device.
Try the following to see if your wep key data has actually been remembered by the GUI config:
iwlist wlan0 key
If this returns no key data then try setting the key manually using the iwconfig command like so:
iwconfig wlan0 key s: [1]
notes:
- The "s:" option allows you to enter the wep key in plain text (omit if you want to enter your key in hex - hardcore++ )
- The - represents the number of the key, wep keys are normally numbered 1-4
- *If wlan0 isn't working for you, try the same procedure with eth0. I'm not entirely sure on the reasons for it (I need to do more reading) but I believe that the orinoco_cs drivers use eth0 and hostap_cs uses wlan0*
*Anyone who actually knows the answer to this: Please feel free to correct me on the above if I've got the wrong end of the stick.
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Anyone can tell me if there is another link to download the new gpe for sl6000;
links in nevarrie post doesent work.....
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Just flashed my sl-6000 with the opie rom. Looks really nice! Can't seem to get the wlan0 up in the console. What am I missing? What is the command you use to bring up the wireless?
thanks!
when reflashing to day I relized that I do an extra step that I had not documented. In /etc/init.d/wlan you have to comment out that if statment for $HAS_HOTPLUG
if [ $HAS_HOTPLUG = 'n' ]; then
wlan_bring_it_up $DEVICE
fi
For some reason that hotplug does tno see whent he the wifi is turned on, and I had b een looking into make it work but have nto got anywhere yet. After you comment out those line wlanup shoudl work.
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Nevarrie why http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-...20041008.tar.gz (http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-tosa-20041008.tar.gz) is down ??? i'm interested in trying the new rom...
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Opie looks really nice. If I could get the wireless to work, I could use this as my day to day OS. I can bring the wifi up, but can not get the wep to work. ifconfig does not see a wlan0 device.
I have found using wep with wlan-ng you have to include the WEP key for all 4 slots to get it to work right. I have no idea why this is but I found sharp does that same thing. Here is what my wlancfg-vmlgrant looks like that is adhoc/wep:
#=======WEP===========================================
# [Dis/En]able WEP. Settings only matter if PrivacyInvoked is true
lnxreq_hostWEPEncrypt=false # true|false
lnxreq_hostWEPDecrypt=false # true|false
dot11PrivacyInvoked="true"
dot11WEPDefaultKeyID="0"
dot11ExcludeUnencrypted=true # true|false, in AP this means WEP is required.
# If PRIV_GENSTR is not empty, use PRIV_GENTSTR to generate
# keys (just a convenience)
# add-ons/ in the tarball contains other key generators.
PRIV_GENERATOR=/sbin/nwepgen # nwepgen, Neesus compatible
PRIV_KEY128="true"
PRIV_GENSTR=""
# or set them explicitly. Set genstr or keys, not both.
dot11WEPDefaultKey0="44:A7:A3:6A:44:77:49:64:66:AA:1E:00:00"
dot11WEPDefaultKey1="44:A7:A3:6A:44:77:49:64:66:AA:1E:00:00"
dot11WEPDefaultKey2="44:A7:A3:6A:44:77:49:64:66:AA:1E:00:00"
dot11WEPDefaultKey3="44:A7:A3:6A:44:77:49:64:66:AA:1E:00:00"
#=======SELECT STATION MODE===================
IS_ADHOC="y"
#======= INFRASTRUCTURE STATION ===================
# What kind of authentication?
AuthType="opensystem"
#======= ADHOC STATION ============================
BCNINT="100"
CHANNEL="10"
# on regulatory domain)
BASICRATES="2 4"
OPRATES="2 4 11 22"
and her is my wlancfg-Acad that I uses at school:
#=======WEP===========================================
# [Dis/En]able WEP. Settings only matter if PrivacyInvoked is true
lnxreq_hostWEPEncrypt=false # true|false
lnxreq_hostWEPDecrypt=false # true|false
dot11PrivacyInvoked="true"
dot11WEPDefaultKeyID="0"
dot11ExcludeUnencrypted=true # true|false, in AP this means WEP is required.
# If PRIV_GENSTR is not empty, use PRIV_GENTSTR to generate
# keys (just a convenience)
# add-ons/ in the tarball contains other key generators.
PRIV_GENERATOR=/sbin/nwepgen # nwepgen, Neesus compatible
PRIV_KEY128="true"
PRIV_GENSTR=""
# or set them explicitly. Set genstr or keys, not both.
dot11WEPDefaultKey0="33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33"
dot11WEPDefaultKey1="33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33"
dot11WEPDefaultKey2="33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33"
dot11WEPDefaultKey3="33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33:33"
#=======SELECT STATION MODE===================
IS_ADHOC="n"
#======= INFRASTRUCTURE STATION ===================
# What kind of authentication?
AuthType="sharedkey"
#======= ADHOC STATION ============================
BCNINT=""
CHANNEL=""
# on regulatory domain)
BASICRATES=""
OPRATES=""
I have found the authtype makes a big difference with wlan-ng when using WEP. It took me a few hours to figure out the correct setting to get on at my school...Most of my changes where in The AuthType before i could get on.
Hope this helps alittle...
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Nevarrie why http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-...20041008.tar.gz (http://zaurus.gethondo.com/roms/tosa/opie-tosa-20041008.tar.gz) is down ??? i'm interested in trying the new rom...
My friend that host that server is int he middle of moving it. I do have a copy of my current builds out at:
http://www.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/ (http://www.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/)
Hopefully we should have gethondo back up later on today. Though I will try to keep the latest at this site or get zaurus.thegrantclan.org up and running keep my files there also.
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Thanks nevarrie,
i see there are only jffs2 images ?
How can install it on my SL600L ?
May you put all script to refresh ZAURUS as you made some times ago ( on gethondo you have to download a full tar gz... why not here ?)?
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Thanks nevarrie,
i see there are only jffs2 images ?
How can install it on my SL600L ?
May you put all script to refresh ZAURUS as you made some times ago ( on gethondo you have to download a full tar gz... why not here ?)?
gethondo had a local build enviroment so I made tar files for myself to download to my Z...I have made the tar files up on thegrantclan.org. How I make them is rename the jffs2 file to initrd.bin, rename the zImage fiel to zImage and then tar up all three files...The zImage has not changed for a while and the updater.sh is still the same(Though I may change to another versin of updater.sh but have nto done that yet)...so you could just download the jffs2 file and rename it instead of downloading all the files...though initrd is the big file the others are not really that large so I will tyr to keep both a tar and individual files up there.
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May I use a SD insetad of a CF Card ?
problem was that after updating from my SD ( updating was success !) i push reset, then my zaurus doesent power up at all...so i cannot format it,
So i've rerstored my Z with a previous NAND backup.
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I've tried to use a CF but no GPE boot !!!
I follow theese steps :
Download gpe-image-tosa-20041007043643.tar.gz
unpack on my CF
Reboot my Z and pressing OK
Update programs start.......all is SUCCESS
I reset and My Z is died......no boot...nothing....
What is my mistake ?
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Have you renamed your image file correctly?
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What do you mean ?
When i upacked the tgz gpe-image-tosa-20041007043643.tar.gz in my CF I have 3 files :
zImage
updater.sh
initrd.bin
then i run the update program and nothing....
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If flashing the 6000 is the same as the C machines then you need to rename zImage to zImage.bin, that said, it may not be the same.
Si
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Thank you very much for my mistake....now all is up !!!
Thanks !!!
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On GPE :
The touch screen doesn't work at all. Is it right ? During the first boot the procedure tell me to calibrate the touch screen, i calibrate it but when the GPE desktop is loaded no icons can be selected with the pen, and the arrow of the mouse is always locked..... so i can't open any app and using the keyboard is very diffucult...
Why Touch screen doesn't work ?
I thought touch screen was ok now....Thanks
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On GPE :
The touch screen doesn't work at all. Is it right ? During the first boot the procedure tell me to calibrate the touch screen, i calibrate it but when the GPE desktop is loaded no icons can be selected with the pen, and the arrow of the mouse is always locked..... so i can't open any app and using the keyboard is very diffucult...
Why Touch screen doesn't work ?
I thought touch screen was ok now....Thanks
Touch screen is working correctly on OPIE but no on any of my current GPE roms right now...Something in the calibaration is not working correctly so it does not have any information for the setting...I have not done a build in over a week and I am hoping that something figured out how to include the fix they found for OPIE into GPE...The way I currently uses GPE is to login, bring up a root-terminal(can can uses the dpad to navigate through the icons), run "/etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop"(Use tab to get the dash), then start /etc/X11/Xserver & x-terminal, then click ont he xterm and type gpe-login...this can give you a working gpe...
I am hoping to get a new build tonight...I will let people know when I have more...I will also try to get the tar ball correct this time...
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ok, nevarrie thank you very much ....
Could you suggest me :
What is the best ? GPE or OPIE ?
I've tried both of them, and i like GPE very much.....
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I have fixed my tar files on www.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/ so that the zImage file is really the kernel image not the GPE image...so the tar files should work better now...I also have some of the ipk that I uses in /download/zaurus/ipkg/tosa/ like konqueror-embedded, bash, BitchX, and vim...though you can get most of this from the openzaurus feed I believe also...
Could you suggest me :
What is the best ? GPE or OPIE ?
I am not sure there is a correct anwser for this...
I really want to be able to uses gpe, but I also see my Z as a portable computer...though currently gpe needs some work before it is going to be usable by most people...
I have found OPIE to be really nice and most things are working on the 6k already...I found Konqueror-embedded a little harder to uses then opera, and a problem I have with suspnd has been my only real problems with OPIE...
I am hoping to get tot he point that OPIE can replace the sharp rom on my 6k till I can get GPE to the point it does everything I need...
My sugestion would be OPIE if you want usablitly...And GPE if you do not mind fiddling a little bit to make things work...
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Suggestion for opie on the C6000: start the jffs2 image at 0x00220000 to gain an additional 4 Mo that would otherwise be lost.
cf http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~rimemoon/zaurus/pic/nandmap.jpg (http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~rimemoon/zaurus/pic/nandmap.jpg)
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I want my Zaurus to be a portable computer, it is very important for me and my work !
So i will use OPIE.....hoping it will be the substitute to standard sharp rom !!!
What kind of ipkg can i use under OPIE ???
May i use packages from openzaurus ?
i see there is Opie Player 2 . is it runs on sl 6000 l ?
IS it possible using guylhem kernel patch for overclock sl6000l under opie ???
Sorry for theese questions but i 'm new in ZAURUS WORLD......
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Suggestion for opie on the C6000: start the jffs2 image at 0x00220000 to gain an additional 4 Mo that would otherwise be lost.
cf http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~rimemoon/zaurus/pic/nandmap.jpg (http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~rimemoon/zaurus/pic/nandmap.jpg)
I am not sure if this is possable or not...if someone can show me how this would be done then I am sure it could be added...what I see as a problem is does the initrd have to start at 0x00440000 so that when booting the kernel can find the image?
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What kind of ipkg can i use under OPIE ???
May i use packages from openzaurus ?
i see there is Opie Player 2 . is it runs on sl 6000 l ?
All; yes; possibly, but it seems to segfault on my 750 so I'd try xmms instead.
Si
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What kind of ipkg can i use under OPIE ???
I have pulled several packages fromthe OpenZaurus feed and got them to work just fine...After pulling oz-compt pkg form the OZ feed I was able to up irkd on my Z and uses it...I have not tried that many packages beyond that yet...
May i use packages from openzaurus ?
The ones I have tried have all worked excpt for the Opie-mediaplayer1...I never really looked into why it was not working yet...
i see there is Opie Player 2 . is it runs on sl 6000 l ?
I would think it shoudl be able to work though I have not tried...
IS it possible using guylhem kernel patch for overclock sl6000l under opie ???
yes...I have put this kernel on my 6000 when I was runnign opie...did not have time to really pay with it when I flashed it but it did boot...
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I've installed yor new rom :
during boot i see theese errors :
unresolved symbols
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/oricoco.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap-crypt_tkip.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/pcmcia/hostap_cs.o
why ?
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when you do the reset holding q and t, should the 2 led on the top right just be flashing. Been like this ofr about 45 minutes
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I figured it out and did the flash from the menu.
Now I need to get wifi up
How do I get back in to the gui from the terminal??
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I've installed last nevarrie build fo opie,
i've correctly setup the wireless lan using the gui
but when i execute
ifup wlan0
receive .....
wlan0 no such device......
Any helps to bring up my wireless
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same problem here
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I guess I didn't read the whole post
once I issued
/sbin/usbctl on 1
the card powered up
No access point here at work so I will try further when I get home
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I've installed last nevarrie build fo opie,
i've correctly setup the wireless lan using the gui
but when i execute
ifup wlan0
receive .....
wlan0 no such device......
Any helps to bring up my wireless
to the best of my knowledge I do nto believe tha the gui does any changes to the scripts in /etc/wlan/...these are the files that control the builtin wifi in the sl6000...the fines need to be edited by hand for right now...look earlier in this thread and you will find info on how those files work....
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now I cant even get the wireless to power on
tire /sbin/usbctl on 1
no such device
lsmod contains
pxa_bi
prism2_usb
p80211
usbdmonitor
usbcore
sharp_mmcsd_m
usbdcore
any ideas???
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guess I posted to fast.
I was missing
net_fd
usb_ohci_tc6393
insmod usb_ohci_tc6393
insmod net_fd
then
usbctl on 1
turned it on for me
did a usbtl on 1
and it is on
ifconfig shows it as ethernet with the approriate IP address
the mac address is all zeros and I have no connection
any ideas what I am missing
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usbctl on 1
turned it on for me
did a usbtl on 1
and it is on
any ideas what I am missing
usbctl on 1 just turns power on to the device...hotswap should detect that the devices is there and run the wlan-ng script and try to conntect to the network but it does not...this meant you need to run the wlan_bring_it_up wlan0 function in /etc/wlan/share. The way I do this is modify /etc/init.d/wlan so that lines 44 and 46 are commented out:
# if [ $HAS_HOTPLUG = 'n' ]; then
wlan_bring_it_up $DEVICE
# fi
then you can run wlanup to bring the interface up and wlandown to bring the interface down. I usually run dmesg to see if I get the line linkstatus=CONNECTED. If you see this you are connected to an access point and then can run ifup wlan0 to get an ip.
/sbin/wlanup also make sure that- usb_ohci_tc6393 is loaded
- /dev/usb/host_ohci exists
- /sbin/usbctl on 1 is ran
- prism2_usb is loaded
/sbin/wlandown will disconnect the connection and then power off the wifi card.
I have not had the time to made it so that the networking in OPIE and GPE can do this yet and have not found any one on either of those projects that is doign it either. So for now this is how I uses my z...
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the script appears to work, but the mac address is till all zeros.
I can't try to connec to an access point till I get home, but shouldn't the mac address be legit??
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Why no answer to this errors : ?
've installed yor new rom :
during boot i see theese errors :
unresolved symbols
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/oricoco.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap-crypt_tkip.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/pcmcia/hostap_cs.o
What is wrong ?
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I follow all the posts to configure my wlan :
i've all requested module inserted and comment out the strings in
/etc/init.d/wlan lines 44 and 46
when i type wlanup
receive many messagess...
Starting WLAN Devices: wlanctl-ng: Cannot assign requested address
prism2dl: Cannot assign requested address
load_cardpda failed, exting.
Unknow prism2 hardware type (), assuming SSF
Processing PDR file: /tmp/prism2_ssf.pda
prism2dl: Cannot assign requested address
Couldn't fetch PRI-SUP info
....and so on
I try to ping the address i've assigned to my wireless from the gui and it pings
but when i try to ping my access point id doesent ping at all, so i think wireless is powered on but not working....
Any helps ???
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the script appears to work, but the mac address is till all zeros.
I can't try to connec to an access point till I get home, but shouldn't the mac address be legit??
I had not noticed the mac address was all 0's before...On the sharp rom it does give a mac address though it looks like on OZ is it doing this...I quess there is still problems with wlan-ng that may need to be looked into...
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Why no answer to this errors : ?
've installed yor new rom :
during boot i see theese errors :
unresolved symbols
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/oricoco.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap-crypt_tkip.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/net/hostap.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3/embedix/pcmcia/hostap_cs.o
What is wrong ?
I had not noticed these errors has being unresolved symbols during boot...I though they were complaning about tainting the kernel witha binary only module...I will have to look into this more then I have time.
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I follow all the posts to configure my wlan :
i've all requested module inserted and comment out the strings in
/etc/init.d/wlan lines 44 and 46
when i type wlanup
receive many messagess...
Starting WLAN Devices: wlanctl-ng: Cannot assign requested address
prism2dl: Cannot assign requested address
load_cardpda failed, exting.
Unknow prism2 hardware type (), assuming SSF
Processing PDR file: /tmp/prism2_ssf.pda
prism2dl: Cannot assign requested address
Couldn't fetch PRI-SUP info
....and so on
I try to ping the address i've assigned to my wireless from the gui and it pings
but when i try to ping my access point id doesent ping at all, so i think wireless is powered on but not working....
Any helps ???
what does dmesg tell you? I have not get that error myself yet.
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ok Nevarrie here is my dmesg
MSDOS FS: IO charset utf8
usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
usb.c: registered new driver hub
usbdm: usbd_monitor 0.3 035 2002-06-12 20:00
monitor_connected: 1
monitor_load:
monitor_hotplug: agent: usbd interface: monitor action: load
monitor_modinit: finished
prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
usb.c: registered new driver prism2_usb
usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xf1000a00, IRQ 105
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
hoping this will help you to solve my wlan problem
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prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
usb.c: registered new driver prism2_usb
usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xf1000a00, IRQ 105
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
It looks to me as if the prism2_usb driver is being loaded before the ohci_usbhost is getting loaded...I am not sure if that is correct or not but that is what I see from dmesg...you maybe able to rmmod prism2_usb and then run wlanup and it may work...
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It does not work.....my wlan is still down....
1) Nevarrie i'm using the last build of opie made by you, after booting i've this module :
usbcore
sharp_mmcsd_m
pxa_bi
net_fd
usbcore
2)i've modified etc/init.d/wlan as you said
3) i think i have to insert some other modules
so i do
insmod usbdmonitor
insmod usb_ohci_tc6393
insmod p80211
insmod prism2_usb
IS THIS RIGHT ???
4) i type wlanup and see the errors i told you.....
( for information : Wlan POwer On and i can ping my wlan IP.....but noother...)
What am i missing ?
is it possible to have the rigth procedure for bringing up the Wireless Lan ?
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3) i think i have to insert some other modules
so i do
insmod usbdmonitor
insmod usb_ohci_tc6393
insmod p80211
insmod prism2_usb
IS THIS RIGHT ???
wlanup should load these for you...
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Ok Nevarrie i try this :
Booting Opie and simply...
wlanup
...still errors....
Hoping dmesg will help you...
pxa_pcmcia_init(0)
apm_get_event: resume notice
send_event: event=3
queue_event: event=3
pxa_pcmcia_init(1)
[SD]-clustsize = 4000
queue_event: event=3
get_queued_event: event=3
get_queued_event: event=3
usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xf1000a00, IRQ 105
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
usb.c: registered new driver prism2_usb
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
p80211knetdev_set_mac_address: Low-level driver failed dot11req_mibset(dot11MACAddress).
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out
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Has anyone had any experience booting from a flash card (I have a sandisk 128) attached to the usb port on the zaurus? If so, does the installation/reboot procedure differ at all?
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Has anyone had any experience booting from a flash card (I have a sandisk 128) attached to the usb port on the zaurus? If so, does the installation/reboot procedure differ at all?
I've been trying this the last 2 hours or so to do something similar. I don't have a SD or CF card (or flash driver) so I've been trying to flash it over USB using that option connected to my PC.
I'm connected to the cradle and in Windows.
I've downloaded the 5600 rom update from myzaurus.com. It has a ZaurusOSUpdate.exe that I'm trying to use for my SL-6000L. I have edited the files to include the standard zImage.bin updater.sh and initrd.sh that were mentioned in earlier posts. I have both Opie and GPE downloaded, not sure which I'm currently attempting.
I've cleared off all installed self-installed software.
I get to the point where it says "--- Zaurus USB Updater ---" on the zaurus.
The pc then connects, appears to send the updater.sh, but stops. The Zaurus says "please reset" or something.
I've tried various paths for the files:
/etc/update/
/etc/
/
/home/etc/
All no good.
I think the problem might be (although I'm guessing here) there's some errors when going into the USB Update option referring to "usbdevfs" "can not mount" "usb_ohci_?" and "/proc/bus/usb". Maybe that always happens?
It at least appears this approach is "hackable", but this is my first zaurus, and my first attempt at flashing it.
There may even be a ready to use ZaurusOSUpdate.exe for the 6000 out there somewhere...
Maybe someone else has a clue....
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Ok Nevarrie i try this :
Booting Opie and simply...
wlanup
...still errors....
Hoping dmesg will help you...
I have nto been able to do alot of working on this error...I know I got a simular error on my desknote with my D-Link 122 but I do not rember how I fixed it or got around it...I will let you know more then I have time to look into it more or see if I can simulate the error on my Z...
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ok nevarrie no problem,
please let we know when there will be an Opie Version full functional !
I see you have made a great work even if there are many things not full functional...
Waiting for an Opie version with less bug !
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Some of you may notice out on http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/ (http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/) that I have uploaded a new file called sl6000-20041028.tar.gz (http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/sl6000-20041028.tar.gz). This does have a newer version of OPIE built using OpenZaurus 3.5.2pre and it also uses my modified version of updater.sh that uses a menu system like pdaXrom. The GPE image in this file is the same as before ad the pdaxrom image does not work.
When you untar you will find it only has a tools.cramfs and the updater.sh. Just place these two file in the root of you sd or cf card and for the normal flash direction of the Power+OK. This time when your Z reboots you find yourself at a menu screen. Currently the resize does not work for the 6000 and I have not tried the home backup and restore. Anyone that wants to can play with it and let me know what problem they find.
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ok nevarrie no problem,
please let we know when there will be an Opie Version full functional !
I see you have made a great work even if there are many things not full functional...
Waiting for an Opie version with less bug !
I did get the error a few days ago so I have an idea to why you are gettign the problem you. It looks liek it maybe the p80211 module did not get loaded correctly. When I started getting this problem I found I could not unload the p80211 module. After rebooting and loading the module again everything worked. Not sure if the reboot will fix it for you or not.
I knwo that few other people have been improving appone the wlan-ng compile in OpenEmbedded so they may have fixed this so it will nto happoned now. I have nto seen this happon yet with my build from yesterday.
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When you untar you will find it only has a tools.cramfs and the updater.sh. Just place these two file in the root of you sd or cf card and for the normal flash direction of the Power+OK. This time when your Z reboots you find yourself at a menu screen. Currently the resize does not work for the 6000 and I have not tried the home backup and restore. Anyone that wants to can play with it and let me know what problem they find.
I hold OK+Power, Select Update, SD....
"Error starting terminal Linux"
Any ideas?
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I hold OK+Power, Select Update, SD....
"Error starting terminal Linux"
Any ideas?
It sounds as if it did not mount the cramfs image correctly. I have made a new copy of what is on my sd card and I am currently uploading it to zaurus.thegrantclan.org. Try that and see if it works for you. If it does then I know I uploaded the wrong stuff.
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Hello nevarrie,
I have just tested your cramfs dated yesterday October 29 I just want to let you know that I found the installation menu brought up correctly, I used it to install OPIE and everything went fine.
I noticed that suspending pressing the On/Off button begins a suspend/resume loop. I needed to reset to stop it. But suspending from the Opie menu is just fine.
Now if only we get backlight tuning and WiFi running... we could say goodbye to that standard Sharp ROM.
Great work!
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Hello nevarrie,
i've installed and tested the new image (29 october) now it is more stable,
great work again !
1.How can i start my wlan in this image ?
I've configured the wlan0 from OPIE NETWORK then from consolle :
wlanup ;
the lan's led power up but i receive :
Starting wlan device: modprobe: Can't locate module wlan0
This is dmeg....
MSDOS FS: IO charset utf8
usbdm: usbd_monitor 0.3 035 2002-06-12 20:00
monitor_connected: 1monitor_load:
monitor_hotplug: agent: usbd interface: monitor action: load
monitor_modinit: finished
prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
usb.c: registered new driver prism2_usb
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=12)
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=12)
pxa_sd_wait_id_response: card removed (cmd=12)
pxa_sd_wait_id_response: card removed (cmd=12)
[SD]-clustsize = 4000
I've no access point at home only at work.....so i do not think if problemshould be this...
After wlanup command the icon in NETWORK GUI changed to an antenna with 802.11b description so i thing the lan should work...
Any help ?
2. In a terminal how can i recall a command just written.... up arrow / down arrow dont work so i've to write the same command again
3. I notice there are some yellow lines when i open ad close a window on opie,
in my desktop bar, and so on....
..maybe some anti alias problem or what else???
Thanks Gabriele
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Okay now what am I doing wrong?? I am trying to reinstall the sharp rom. I unzip all the files from the 20040217SL6V112.zip file to the root of my cf cards and sd card (have tried 4 different cards.). I've tried doing a cf update by holding the ok button then choosing update. I've tried doing a cf and sd update from the diagnostics menu. It starts then errors. I've tried a nand restore from here as well and it says it is missing files. Any clues??
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Redownloaded, working now!!
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Hello nevarrie,
I have just tested your cramfs dated yesterday October 29 I just want to let you know that I found the installation menu brought up correctly, I used it to install OPIE and everything went fine.
This is good to hear.
I noticed that suspending pressing the On/Off button begins a suspend/resume loop. I needed to reset to stop it. But suspending from the Opie menu is just fine.
I have got the suspend problem myself...this maybe something with my build, since i have talked with some of the others that have build images for the 6000 and they have not had problems with suspend...
Now if only we get backlight tuning and WiFi running... we could say goodbye to that standard Sharp ROM.
Great work!
With the price fo the 6000 down as low as it is now more developers have 6000's now so hopefullly we can get these last few problems fixed for OPIE and have a nice alternive to the sharp rom.
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I noticed that suspending pressing the On/Off button begins a suspend/resume loop. I needed to reset to stop it. But suspending from the Opie menu is just fine.
That sounds exactly like the bug the released version of the clamshell kernel has. piro created a patch that fixes that behaviour. It is a part of the piro.patch and probably doesn't apply to the Tosa hardware, but could perhaps be easily adjusted to also work there. Anyone who wants to have a look at that?
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What about irda support ?
I've set up my modem card without any problems
I try to setup my GPRS connection but i cannot connect my cell to IRDA ( this works well with sharp rom)
has Anyone tested IRDA on OPIE ?
Thanks
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Hy Nevarrie i've
Tested WLAN ... works very well....
i've set all up from terminal, i know the gui doesento work yet.
i surf the web using KOnquerrorr..sometimes there is SIGSEGV error ......(I.E try to connect to google and i receive the error) other sites works well....
I try to update package-manager list and this work well even if i didint' install any packages (
i'm using http://www.linuxtr.net/oe/feed/tosa/ (http://www.linuxtr.net/oe/feed/tosa/) for updating ( i see in OpenZaurus this is the root for SL6000 support...)
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Hey,
i'm new to the SL-6000L, also i used a SL-5500 long time before. Some questions for the Opie-Img:
1. Why do i get everytime an error if i download a package from a feed (tosa feed or 3.5.1 feed as well) The Error is "invalid magic". I use opie-aqpkg and tried opie-packagemanager too. The command line version of ipkg writes the same Error message.
2. On SL-5500 i used /mnt/ram to install my packages. On the SL-6000 /mnt/ram is a tmpfs and /home seems to be the place to install packages on the Zaurus. The problem is that ipkg-link did not recognize /home correctly. What can i do?
Thx for the helping and for ignoring my grammar errors ;-)
Bedman
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Sounds like you are trying to install OZ packages with an ancient version of ipkg.
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Thx now it works. I just reflashed Sharp ROM and after being aware that this ROM still sux ;-) I flashed back to OPIE and all works perfectly. OK some error here and there but not big ones.
I changed the /mnt/ram in fstab to /dev/mtdblock3 and my home to tmpfs. (what is this???) So i have 32MB more space.
The Errors i came across:
the german Display Keyboard is bigger than the screen (in portrait).
there are some graphical errors (like said in the Mailing List)
and the performance of the display is not very good (very slow scrolling)
And last but not least one more question:
Where is the switch to mute the speaker? Or is the speaker mute when Headphones plugged in?
Thx Bedman
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I have installed ROM from http://www.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/ (http://www.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/roms/tosa/)
Problems:
In Opie and GPE I have graphical rubbish appearing in the screen. Some multicolored lines and dots.
Is there any way to fix it?
Also is there any hope to get touchscreen working in GPE?
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Don't want this thread to get too far down the page. Anyway any updates?? Sorry I'm no programmer or I'd help, but I can beta anything you throw out there.
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Yes, Why no news ?
I hope development go on !
I can beta-test anything you throw out there too !
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There is some mistery with GPE. Once you flas it everything works BUT with no detection of pointer on touchscreen.
Nevertheless, if you go to the black console, presing FN+Del, at least four times, and launch Xfbdev from the console, the X's appear with nothing on it, but the pointer works. What is this stuff. If just it was possible to have a term in this screen, surely we could mount Debian or any other thing using this Xserver. Anyone has tryied it?
smuelas
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There is some mistery with GPE. Once you flas it everything works BUT with no detection of pointer on touchscreen.
Nevertheless, if you go to the black console, presing FN+Del, at least four times, and launch Xfbdev from the console, the X's appear with nothing on it, but the pointer works. What is this stuff. If just it was possible to have a term in this screen, surely we could mount Debian or any other thing using this Xserver. Anyone has tryied it?
smuelas
The way I currently uses gpe is to login, bring up a root console, run /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop. This puts me to a console. Then I run "/etc/X11/Xserver & x-terminal". From the xterm then run gpe-login. This will give you a working gpe system with a few problems, like suspend does not always return. Not the easist way to run your Z but it was a waay I could do testing...
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Hi nevarrie,
I have tried GPE acording with your suggestions. I have tried also chroot with Debian.
The first thing to say is that the new GPE distribution is really nice. I would like it a lot...if it worked. It seems difficult to understand why the pointer doesn't work in standard mode. The same can be said about the wi-fi.
Debian runs badly and collapses very soon.
Summarazing, there is a lot of work to be done yet and we must let the creators one more year to finish tbeir work.
Xqt with Debian runs perfectly well changing from QT's to X's at une click and maintaining all the advantages of both. Perhaps with GPE it would be quicker...
smuelas
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Hello all,
I gave OZ/Opie and OZ/GPE 3.5.2 a try and both work. 3.5.2 seems much more polished and stable. See the OZ homepage for sources.
So far the only glitch I've run into is Opie will hang on mounting/unmounting media, not sure what I can do about it though..
Cheers, JJ
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In Opie and GPE I have graphical rubbish appearing in the screen. Some multicolored lines and dots.
Is there any way to fix it?
I'm currently using OZ/Opie 3.5.2 on a SL-6000, and I have the same problem... little vertical lines popping up, esp. when scrolling and such. I've seen something like this a while ago on my desktop while it was running X11, but I can't, for the life of me, remember the fix I found. Anyone know anything about this?
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Hi, alot of things have changed since this topic was first started, and it's a little long now...
Please continue the discussion in the pinned OZ on 6000 topic (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9141)
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I have the lines too, but not really bothered by it. What I want to know is why doesn't anything I've installed to my sd card show up?? The files are there, but nothing shows on the tabs.
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Hey BarryW,
it looks like there are missing sym-links. First try to dl. the upgrades from the upgrades feed especially the service-upgrade. Then open the console and type "ipkg-link mount /mnt/card" and restart opie!
That should work. What have you installed on the sd-card?
cya Bedman
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ipkg mount /mnt/card isn't an ipkg command, sorry. I have the updates installed. I've installed task opie games, apps, multimedia, bluetooth, and tn5250.
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Was anyone able to initiate wlan successfully? Everytime I try to bring it up it fails. I created wlancfg file with my ssid and wep setting. I'm not sure what else I need.
I also see vertical line but it's not that annoying. Once I refresh the screen it's gone.
One thing is that the power button does nothing. It used to do suspend in sharp rom. I'm not sure it's what it is supposed to be(it's my first experience with OZ). Even if I suspend it from the menu there is no way I can wake it up except reset.
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Open a terminal and try /etc/init.d/networking start . That should get your wireless working, I havn't been able to get wep to work though.
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I'm currently using OZ/Opie 3.5.2 on a SL-6000, and I have the same problem... little vertical lines popping up, esp. when scrolling and such.
Ditto here, in both Opie and GPE using 3.5.2. I noticed this only happens in vertical mode, not rotated. It's most noticable when doing freehand drawing; orange vertical stripes about 1cm high appear at the cursor when drawing with the stylus. Anybody know what's going on?
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Yes "mpi", i've the same problem too....and any version of opie running on my sl6000 that i've tested has this bug...
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Backlight tuning is not working yet, too. Has anyone tried launching the Light & Power executable from the SHARP rom?
Does the 6000 use different ioctl calls than the 5xxx/Cxxx models for the backlight?
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Open a terminal and try /etc/init.d/networking start . That should get your wireless working, I havn't been able to get wep to work though.
you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the networks you want to connect to. here is what I have in my interfaces file:
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
pre-up modprobe prism2_usb
pre-up /sbin/usbctl on 1
post-down /sbin/usbctl off 1
post-down rmmod prism2_usb
iface vmlgrant inet dhcp
wireless-type wlan-ng
wireless-mode ad-hoc
wireless-essid vmlgrant
wireless-enc on
wlan-ng-default-key-id 0
wlan-ng-key0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key1 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key2 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key3 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
pre-up modprobe prism2_usb
pre-up /sbin/usbctl on 1
post-down /sbin/usbctl off 1
post-down rmmod prism2_usb
iface grant inet dhcp
wireless-type wlan-ng
wireless-mode infrastructure
wireless-essid grant
pre-up modprobe prism2_usb
pre-up /sbin/usbctl on 1
post-down /sbin/usbctl off 1
post-down rmmod prism2_usb
iface airport1 inet dhcp
wireless-type wlan-ng
wireless-mode infrastructure
wireless-essid airport1
pre-up modprobe prism2_usb
pre-up /sbin/usbctl on 1
post-down /sbin/usbctl off 1
post-down rmmod prism2_usb
iface acad inet dhcp
wireless-type wlan-ng
wireless-mode infrastructure
wireless-essid vmlgrant
wireless-enc on
wlan-ng-default-key-id 0
wlan-ng-key0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key1 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key2 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
wlan-ng-key3 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx;xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
pre-up modprobe prism2_usb
pre-up /sbin/usbctl on 1
post-down /sbin/usbctl off 1
post-down rmmod prism2_usb
I can then uses ifup wlan0=vmlgrant and ifdown wlan0=vmlgrant to work with the interface if I want to specify the interface I want ot use...though I have found ifup wlan0 finds the networks avalible and connects to them if it can.
Hope that helps.
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Okay been messing around. When I put my 1GB sandisk sd card in I can't install to it. My 256MB lexar can have stuff installed. Tried the ipkg-link thing and nothing happened. Any new guesses?
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Okay I fixed it, sorta. The task-whatever packages don't work right. If I install the packages individually they work.
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Hi gang,
Well I took the plunge and loaded OpenZaurus 3.5.2 today. It very impressive.
I have a strange bug with Standby though.
If I standby using the button on the side of the SL-6000L it goes off fine.
Restarting it by pressing the same button, the unit comes alive for about 3 seconds and then goes into standby again??
Any ideas?
Has anyone else seen this behaviour.
By the way I have done the updates from the openzaurus site as well?
Catch Ya
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Hi Again,
Incidently, I notice that if you suspend from the OPIE menu all is fine?
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Greetings all,
I've spent the last few hours slogging through every post I could find on the OZ 3.5.2 release for the SL-6000L and my head is about to explode. I'm really seeking opinions of anyone who has used it yet or is currently running it. I believe that an opinion specific thread would assist 6000 owners thinking about taking the plunge a LOT. It would also save them the same hours of frustration that I have just experienced to get answers to simple questions that would enable them to decide if migrating is right for them.
Remember the point of this thread is to get YOUR OPINION on these issues rather than be a factfinding mission. I'm not hoping to teach readers of this thread how to install/use OZ, rather I'm trying to get them enough information and opinions so that they can easily decide for themselves whether it's even worth the effort for them to switch to OZ in the first place! Having said that PLEASE feel free to include facts/information that reinforce your opinions and leave links to places where the reader can get more info wherever possible.
Question 1.
Which release did you use OZ/Opie or OZ/GPE? Both?
Question 2.
In your opinion do major drawbacks still remain that would inhibit/prohibit the average 6000 owner from being able to install OZ and use it productively for both business and entertainment purposes? If so do those problems have existing workarounds and where can they be found? **Remember to specify concerning which distribution- Opie/GPE.**
Question 2.
In your experience does your existing productivity software, (such as but not limited to commercial apps such as TKC programs that the user has paid a signifigant amount of money for already), run under OZ? **Remember to specify concerning which distribution- Opie/GPE.**
Question 3.
In your experience does your entertainment software, (quake, doom, commercial games like Mighty Charms, etc.) run under OZ? **Remember to specify concerning which distribution- Opie/GPE.**
Question 4.
Do you feel that OZ supports your hardware and accessories as well as the Sharp Rom? **Remember to specify concerning which distribution- Opie/GPE.**
Question 5.
In your opinion what is your favorite feature of OZ/Opie and/or OZ/GPE?
Question 6.
In your opinion what is your most despised feature or bug in OZ/Opie and/or OZ/GPE currently?
Question 7.
Are you still using OZ or have you returned to the Sharp ROM.
Question 8.
With what you know now that you have used OZ in it's current state, are you glad you made the switch or do you wish you had waited until they had more of the problems fixed?
Question 9.
Where you able to find good ipk feeds that contained OZ compatible versions of your favorite programs? If so where? **Remember to specify concerning which distribution- Opie/GPE.**
Question 10.
Have you used Debian/XQT on your 6000? Which was better in your opinion Debian/XQT or OZ? Why?
Question 11.
On a scale of 1 to 10 what rating would you give currently to OZ/Opie? OZ/GPE? original Sharp Rom? Debian/XQT? (for comparison purposes)
Question 12.
Have you used the 6000's Expansion Jacket and if so are the extra battery, CF slot, etc. function and display in the associated applets and sysinfo etc.?
Let me take this opportunity to thank all the folks who have put so much work into OZ and the Open Embedded project! You have added immeasurable value to the Zaurus community and we are sincerely grateful!
Thank you for taking the time to answer any or all of these questions, you make the ZUG a better and even more helpful place!
If anyone thinks of any other questions that might help others decide whether it is right for them to switch please post them in this thread and I'll insert them into the above list.
Cheers,
-NeuroShock
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New update:
Byz had temporarily merged this thread with the main OZ/6000 thread in this forum. After a lengthy discussion he has decided to revert to keeping it as a seperate thread, (at least for now.)
The reason that this thread was begunn was in the hopes of making the average 6000 user more AWARE of the OZ Roms and hopefully encourage as many ppl as possible to migrate. The average user will simply not plow through the mega threads that now exist simply to find out if users who have already installed and put it through it's paces feel that it's really worth it and to help show us at-a-glance what is good and bad in their opinion.
So REMEMBER: This thread is for your OPINIONS based on your experience with OZ. While facts to support those opinions are more than welcome here, Byz (and myself for that matter), want "how do I do this" and "here is how to fix this" etc. kept to the main OZ/6000 thread.
Think of this thread as a place for opinions so that other users can get a feel for how OZ may or may not be for them. Think of the other thread as a place to ask or give the answer to "how do I do this?"
So PLEASE POST here about your opinions and experiences as related to the questions above, (or even about things the questions don't cover). By doing so we can bring maximum exposure of OZ to everyone and encourage as many new ppl to at least try it as possible. It would be a great tradgedy after the thousands of man-hours of work that has been poured into the new OZ/Opie OZ/GPE project to see such a great ROM die on the vine because of lack of interest!
So let your thoughts on OZ flow, it doesn't matter if you would recommend that others try OZ or not. What does matter is to tell us. YOU'RE opinion is valuable, and no ones opinion is WRONG. There will be no flaming or critisism of you because of what your opinion is, just say what you feel and why you feel that way. Please remember though, what you say will be used by someone else to determine if OZ is right for them.
The OZ team has slaved over this release to incorporate support for the 6000 series, the LEAST we can do is take a moment out and share how it has or has not helped us with the rest of the community!
We've been begging for alternate Roms for the 6000 for MONTHS, so show some support and post away!
Thanks a bunch,
-NeuroShock
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Well I certainly appreciate you putting out a new ROM. This is my first time running openzaurus so perhaps there are a few tricks that regular users are used to. Thank you for developing this for the 6000.
Now on to the bad stuff which Im sure you're just dying to hear...
I will try both opie and and gpe, first I tried opie.
The flashing process was not detailed in the readme (in the 6000 folder of the downloads section) but after reviewing the ZUG forums I was able to figure it out, no problems.
After successfully flashing (which was painless and I liked the interface) I rebooted with the CF card still in the Z. Everything loaded and I was confronted with a screen asking me about my CF card and what I wanted to do with it, the only problem was my stylus didnt work and using the keyboard provided no opportunity to exit and the power button didnt work. So I reset with the stylus, removed the CF card and powered back on.
This time, much better, after everything loaded I was given the opporunity to calibrate my stylus (which worked this time) and go through some menus, easy enough, and I made it to the desktop.
Small nitpick here... it would have been nice to have seen a 640x480 background rather than four 320x240s.
No problems, took a look around, looks pretty good, off to network configuration to get it hooked up to the wire. I bring up the wlan0 config menu and attempt to key in my ip address, but my number keys dont work. I try in the terminal and also the text editor but they dont seem to work at all. So I inputed my settings with the onscreen keyboard. Then I tried to bring wlan0 up again, but it just wouldnt. So I restarted.to see if that had any effect but unfortuneatley it didnt. Then I tried checking bring interface up automatically and rebooting, this worked ! and I was able to ping www.apple.com successfully.
On to the package manager to download a web browser and maybe some other software. I havnt used opie before so I wasnt familiar with the format of the package manager after playing with it for a bit I finally found a browser... konqeuror embedded... and tried to install it. Everything looked like it was going well until it told me that I was missing a library or something. It didnt stop long enough for me to get a good look at it so that I could download the library and try again.
One other thing that I noticed didnt work in my playing around was the screen brightness applet.
Now off to install the gpe rom. Once again, I'd like to thank whomever was involved in the development of this rom for the 6000.
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Just a quick reply this time...
I loaded gpe using the same method as opie, and it installed with no problems.
It then booted and the gpe splash screen came up. I was a little worried because I thought the system had hung ! although that wasnt the case it just took about five minutes (maybe, I wasnt actually keeping time) to get past the splash. I was prompted for a root password and and to set up a user account. Very nice.
Then into gpe, which is running X. First appearances were good and I checked out some of the games, they werent exactly optimized for the 6000's screen but they worked nonetheless. The other applications seemed work if I clicked on them but I wasnt exactly thorough. I was interested in networking...
The rather bare and cryptic network configuration program wasnt really much help so I fired up rxvt and started browsing though the forums for information on how to do it with the command line. Well after about half an hour of hacking away at the command line I still wasnt able to get my wlan0 up and connected. I did actually manage to get it up but I dont use dhcp on my home network so that was no good. I edited the interfaces file with my correct information (using vi no less) and tried to connect again, this time ifconfig revealed that the settings had in fact been configured but I still was unable to connect to my lan, I suspect it may have been on the wrong channel or some other wifi related thing because the wifi light never stopped blinking (it goes solid when you are connected to a network). Unfortunately Ive had to give up as I have some other things to do tonight.
Other things of note, the numbers work ! although the numlock button doesnt. The underscore "_" doesnt seem to work for some reason although that could be related to rxvt. I didnt check it against any of the text editors.
I couldnt find any way to suspend or shutdown the unit which was a little odd although I must admit I didnt look *too * hard.
X worked fine and I saw a minimium number of artifacts (described in the other thread) as I worked on the Z.
The gpe rom seems like a good foundation for running your Z as a little linux computer rather than a half pda / half workstation kind of thing (like how I think of mine).
Thanks again gotta run.
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Thanks AsLan for the good input. You've pointed out the one thing that I was sure would be the first thing commented about right now- It has a pretty steep learning curve and documentation is weak for 6000 installation and issues.
This was definitely a good start but remember what we really need is OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS! You know how you get tired of not being able to express an opinion in most threads without being gunned down?? Well this is the one thread where OPINIONS are welcome! It doesn't matter how caustic or how flattering, your opinion counts here and we want to hear it!
So follow AsLan's example and tell us how your experience went in trying to get OZ installed and then tell us what you liked and disliked along the way but when you're done don't forget to tell us if you think it was worth doing and if you plan to stick with OZ or go back to the original Sharp Rom.
Regardless if ya LOVE it or HATE it- we wanna hear about it!
-NeuroShock
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My opinion...
Opie and gpe need quite a bit of work to become usable. I wont be using either in their current incarnation simply because as it stands neither provide enough new features that I can see to offset the time cost involved in setting it up and getting it working.
I am interested in trying both again at a later stage especially gpe, I like the idea of running X on the Z and look forward to using it as my main windowing system in the future.
I would also like to see a decent overclocked kernel (I couldnt get the other one to work) and perhaps a 2.6 kernel, Im not sure why but I like the idea of running a cutting edge kernel.
On the applications side, in my opinion a web browser is a must. gpe comes with minimo but of course I never got networking working to give it a try and I didnt see too many browsers in the feed to give any a try on opie (well I did try konqueror).
Could some other people give these a try and tell us about your experiences, I'm not personally involved in the development of openzaurus but I sure do want to see more development for our 6000's and neuroshock needs our feedback.
nevarrie, BarryW, gab74, kmatthew, I know you guys arent afraid to try something, why not give this a try and (re?)document your thoughts here.
Cheers
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Having bought an SL-6000 recently I've read lots of messages and the first thing I felt for flashing the ROM was FEAR. Fear of not being able to revert to original state.
So as a new Z user I'm eager to trying OZ. Here are my thoughs. But before writing anything else I really suspect most people don't know what opie and gpe are.
Well here are my thoughts..
There must be an SL-6000 specific documentation for how to install OZ. Taking the possibility to do that either from SD or CF. I myself have not tried OZ yet. It is a time issue but I still have some fears.
Sharp ROM comes with commercial apps, and I think there must be some means of extracting them from Sharp ROM to OZ installation. There would of course be licencing issues, but I would like to be able o create ipk packages from my existing Sharp ROM and be able to install them on OZ. Those applications must cover Opera, Hancom Word and Hancom Sheet at least. Since all are includedin the price, all SL-6000 users must be eligible to use those software on their Zs.
I think this is a great opportunity for an open source project. I think almost all of the SL-6000 owners have the very same machine at their hands. SL-6000 with WiFi without Bluetooth. Can you imagine all the hardware is homogenous !!! That's not the case for SL-5X00. There are 5500 users and 5600 users.
My OPINION is the first thing to do is to encourage users to test OZ by providing necessary documentation to do testing without harming their original ROMs. And I think this is the first barrier to overcome. The FEAR of losing what already is present.
If I'm not mistaken There is no SL-6000 specific OZ website/section anywhere, or at least I could not find it.
Cheers.
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I got these, I think from a link to neavarrie's stuff. I haven't tried it, I can't guarzntee I have the right author. I am waiting for my 6k. nonrthelss I put it them in my 6k stuff and Think they sound reasonable. hope it helps
Installation of OpenZaurus 3.5.2
1. Extract the 2 files - tools.cramfs updater.sh - to the root of your CF or SD/MMC card.
2. plug in AC power.
3. Press and hold the "OK" button on the keyboard.
4. Turn the power on, you should see the service menu.
5. Select option 4 (flash/update).
6. You then have four options (1. USB, 2. CF, 3. SD, 4. Back)
7. Choose either option 2 or 3, depending on which media you put the files on.
8. Now select "1 Install new ROM"
9. Now select the rom you wish to install(OPIE, GPE, PdaXrom, or initrd.bin/zImage.bin in root of media)OPIE is the current Usable.
10. When it has finished flashing the Kernel and rom image it will ask to format the /home partition.
11. Then choice reboot from the main menu.
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My OPINION is the first thing to do is to encourage users to test OZ by providing necessary documentation to do testing without harming their original ROMs. And I think this is the first barrier to overcome. The FEAR of losing what already is present.
If I'm not mistaken There is no SL-6000 specific OZ website/section anywhere, or at least I could not find it.
VERY good point oyku! Strong opinion based on good reasoning- EXACTLY the kind of opinion prospective 6000/OZ users will want to know and that will help the OZ team improve their ROM in the future.
-NeuroShock
PS - Oyku, this Link (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9141&st=120) to adf's Dec 19 2004, 06:40 AM post in the Main OZ/6000 thread should be helpful.
PSS - Please insure when posting here that you include an opinion as those without one will be moved to the more appropriate Main 6000/OZ thread. If you wish to point posters of this forum to places where the answers are provided feel free to provide a link as I just did above, but also include/discuss some opinion that will help this thread move forward and stay on-topic.
Dec 19 2004, 06:40 AM
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Greetings people. I'm new to the Z forums - being in the UK, it's not been easy to get hold of a 6k, but now I have one and have flashed it with OZ-GPE 3.5.2.
I have worked my way through most of the problems that I've come across but am stuck on the whole suspend/resume thing and I've noticed it referred to previously but with no posted solution.
Symptoms are;
GPE running, battery power, press power button - nothing happens - won't suspend
GPE running, battery power, leave untouched - powers down
GPE running - mains power - nothing happens [this is OK]
Z powered down, press power button - nothing happens
Z powered down, press reset, press power button - reboots [sometimes]
So, in essence, if I leave the Z on battery power and let it power down, I can't get it to resume and it's difficult to presuade it to reboot. Has anyone else seen this on the SL-6000L?
I think that when I try and resume the Z, it is resuming sometimes [ I can ssh in via usbnet ] but the display isn't starting.
I've a fair bit of Linux under my belt and would be interested in helping out with the whole OZ debug thing, but this power problem is making OZ-GPE very difficult for me to use.
Any suggestions?
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Well, I'll chip in here. The 6000 was my first foray away from the trusty Psions which I've used for years. This is the first machine I've felt confident could do what I wanted - everything the Psion could do but updated to colour [sic - I'm in the UK!] screen and WiFi. Having worked on Unix since Version 7 on PDP-11, I really wanted to bring Linux to my palmtop. As a result, Sharp-Qtopia clearly was not for me and OZ-GPE was [short of doing it myself]. Having run OZ-GPE for about a week now, my comments are;
The installation docs are very sparse, I flashed from the SD and had a few failures until I realised I was missing a file. The README in the OZ directory doesn't mention that you need zImage.bin!!
As mentioned elsewhere, the GPE/OE splash screen gives the appearance of having hung. I reset a few times before I got to the calibration screen. Either a message to this effect or fixing this problem would be wise. It's a worrying time as you start to think you've bricked your new toy.
Being a unix dude through and through, the first thing I did is fire up the terminal. Shame it's only rxvt and that the default shell has no command line recall - hard to bootstrap yourself with so few facilities - but I pressed on. It was a voyage of discovery finding out where the keys where. I still haven't found CTRL-C! A README or motd could go a long way to addressing this.
Both my 1Gb CF and 1Gb SD were recognised no problem which helps installing apps when you've got no networking. I think a gzip of some optional apps would be nice - a bit like
usbnet was a breeze to get going [well done], which gave me access from the desktop. It also let me install bash and sshd which went in flawlessly.
WiFi was pretty tough to get going. I had to understand the whole wlan-ng thing which is not nice. I think this needs some work for general release. If you only have the Z's keyboard plus rxvt, poking around to get WiFi going will lose most people. I should mention that the network config gui doesn't seem to work.
It should be possible to ship with a couple of optional configs.
I think the run control scripts need a bit of work. Runlevel 2 is a weird one to chose - it's a multi-user machine with X running - sounds like 5 to me. Why is bluetooth started by default not WiFi?
I have major suspend/resume problems and, generally, support for the hardware buttons is non-existent which is a shame. I am planning to do VOIP, streaming media, and bespoke app dev when I've put together the toolchain. On this last point, a published 6000 toolchain would get more people bug fixing/porting. For example, I'd like to get a later gcc going (3.4 anyone) and a new kernel (2.6)
I can't comment on OPIE as I haven't installed - my experience with the Sharp ROM put me off ever going near it.
Generally, I should think anyone prepared to flash a new machine with stuff off the net is prepared to do a bit of work, but I think it's still too hard. There's some docs to write and a few bugs to iron out but it's looking great - keep it up.
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Following up on my own post, sorry
In GPE, the control characters can be sent using the calendar or contacts hotkey plus character.
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I have worked my way through most of the problems that I've come across but am stuck on the whole suspend/resume thing and I've noticed it referred to previously but with no posted solution.
Any suggestions?
The way I may gpe suspend is by running "apm -s" from the console. The only real issue I have with doign this is that it always logs me out, but that is better then rebooting every time. Other then that I have not found much to get around the suspend problem.
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Well since I am the brave sole that was willing to say I got OpenZaurus running on the SL-6000L Back in August I guess I shoudl put my opinions here...
My opinion would be that OZ on the SL-6000L is not ready for the common user. I would not wish most of the troubles I go through on a daily basis on anyone unless they are willing to work with those problems.
Now with that said I would recommend anyone that is willing to take the time and try OZ go for it and find a problem and fix it. This is what I did. I just had no one to tell me that I was not going to turn my $600 handheld, one years worth a savings, into a brick. I was willing to see if I could make X work on my Z so that I could run Firefox to be able to read my email through webmail on our exchange server at work(I never figured out how to make it work in Opera).
I have to admit that I flash from bootstrap to OZ/gpe to OZ/opie to Sharp to grantrom on a regular basis and can make all of them usable for me, but then again I run at console most of the time since ssh the the main thing I uses my Z for.
I guess the one thing people have to remeber is that OpenZaurus 3.5.x is a development version. Hopefully most of the bugs will be fixed byt the time 3.6.0 comes out, but this requires people being willing to find those bugs and document them. Though i also relieze that people like me need to document how those brave soles that are willing can backup their current Sharp rom, flash to the different OZ roms and then how to flash back to sharp rom and restore from backup(I will try to get this up on http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org (http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org) over the holiday vacation)
So to state my opinion again, OpenZaurus is usable but not by the average person, opie is almost there but gpe needs alot of work.
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I'm wanting to go OZ gpe on my 6000 (when it arrives). Nevarrie, How does one schange clockspeeds in gpe--there is surely no qclockchange?
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Hi, this is moderator here .. please keep this topic for opinions on OZ only. That means, if you can, try to keep the fact finding stuff in the regular thread OZ on 6000 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9141)
Threads may be moved from here if they go too far off topic.
thanks
byz
Edit: this message was posted prior to the merging of the 'Final opinions thread' with the main OZ topic. Feel free to put fact-finding stuff here! -- byz
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surely one could make a "suspend" icon for apm -s? it would be tidy, anyway.
can you change the clockspeed on a 6k in gpe?
adf
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Well, I took the plunge and installed OZ with the Opie image
I found it really quite straightforward to install - with the included instructions on http://openzaurus.org (http://openzaurus.org). After installing it, I need to say it's faster, the gui is more polished, the included apps are more comprehensive, than the standard Sharp ROM. I don't use PIM apps much, so ymmv.
Anyway, while it is a development build, it not as unusable as you might think from reading this thread. Wireless was the most difficult thing to get working - after fiddling about for an hour, I've got a setup. Details at https://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...indpost&p=62654 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9732&view=findpost&p=62654)
I installed and am happy with Opera6, Konsole, and opieftp. There seem to be a lot of great utilities for opie.
Anyway I have a few questions / problems:
1. Can i reconfigure power manager so it doesn't sleep as quickly with battery?
2. I can't get open-tetrix to work -- after install, clicking on the icon from the desktop causes a "could not locate application tetrix" error
3. How do I send control characters to the console?
4. I think the install is 32-32 (mnt/ram). Is there a way to reconfigure this 64-0 in the future? Or is there a reason for the 32-32?
5. All the games have really small displays - like pacman, solitaire, word game, etc. Is there any way to increase the screen size before I go blind?
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1. I don't know how the 3.5.2 release does with power management, but I compiled a newer version awhile ago that I tested and everything like the power suspending and backlight function worked great. So if you can wait for the next release I think the power stuff will be working. Check out the Light's and Power setting anyways because I seem to remember suspending to work. Should be able to set the timing how you like.
2. Never herd of textrix, but you may try to opening the icon file to see what it's trying to call. I think they're in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/*. If it installed it's binary into /opt/QtPalmtop/bin and that isn't in your path that could be your problem.
3. I haven't found a way to send control characters yet, even using the opie keyboard. It has to do with how everything is mapped in the kernel and Opie. If you figure something out let me know.
4. I don't understand the RAM thing either. I would expect to have one 64MB swap partition setup. I guess maybe there are two 32MB SDRAM chips inside that would explain it being split up (just guessing!). It doesn't look like it uses it for anything though, it just mounts them as temporary storage that nothing uses. I'm using GPE now, and the system information says I have 64MB of memory, and it's using a good portion of it. I didn't take a lot of time to investigate Opie to see what was going on.
5. Don't know about the screen size.
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Nevarrie, at zaurus.grantclan.org do you have a how to on setting up a flash from a homebuilt (oe) image?
I'd love to flash from my externe-kernel sharp setup to something feshly compiled and back, but have no idea how to use the oe built jiff image. I cn't solve the 6k harware issues, but I cn definitely check progress
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Nevarrie, at zaurus.grantclan.org do you have a how to on setting up a flash from a homebuilt (oe) image?
I'd love to flash from my externe-kernel sharp setup to something feshly compiled and back, but have no idea how to use the oe built jiff image. I cn't solve the 6k harware issues, but I cn definitely check progress
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the updater.sh that is on openzaurus.org does not easily allow for custom roms...my updater.sh makes it alittle easier to do this..you can get my updater.sh [a href=\"http://zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/files/updater.sh/updater.sh-20041112.tar.gz]Here[/url].
The tar file contains the tools dir and and updater.sh file. You would place the tools dir and the updater.sh in the root of your sd, or cf card. This updater.sh give you the option to put the .jffs2 file in tools/opie/, tools/gpe/, tools/pdaxroom/ or the root of the sd or cf card. This is how I flash between all of my roms as needed. I usually keep my most recent opie in tools/opie/, my most recent gpe on tools/gpe, my most resent grantrom in the root of my SD card, and I keep the sharp rom files in the root of my CF card. The menu system of the updater.sh allows you to choice which rom you are wanting to install except for the sharp rom(Requires doing the Q + T + Reset)...
Hope that helps...
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Just what I wanted to know, Thanks
adf
um... grant rom?? care to elaborate?
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um... grant rom?? care to elaborate?
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Grant rom is my custom rom. It started out as a striped down version of OpenZaurus GPE that included bitchx, firefox and the full version of vim. My current version is justa bootstrap with bitchx, screen, openssh, and vim that statys at console all the time and uses a usb keyboard. It has been my attempt to uses OE to make a rom that included the tools I wanted and took out the tools I would never use. It is in oe so others could uses it but it is not very usable last time I built it.
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ah,, the task--grant thing?
Cool, but I prefer nano
Thanks
Andrew
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There is an e-image target! (maybe this isn't news, but I just found it) It failed on ecore no-x-test, but it exists. veryy interesting
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anyone know about usb modules in OZ?
specifically, is there usb mouse, keyboard and storage support?
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anyone know about usb modules in OZ?
specifically, is there usb mouse, keyboard and storage support?
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Since I have not work with OE and OZ since before christmas I can not say this is current.
Last time I built a copy of 3.5.2 I had to go change the defconfig-tosa to so that the CONFIG_USB_* stuff was set to m so that it would build the modules I wanted for the keyboard, mouse, jumpdrive, usb cd-rw, and keyspan usb to serial adapter. Once I had them built I just installed the kernel-module-usb* that I wanted.
I have my kernel modules at [a href=\"http:///zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/zaurus/openzaurus/feed]http:///zaurus.thegrantclan.org/download/z...openzaurus/feed[/url] for both 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r16 and 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r24. not sure if either of those are for the kernel used with 3.5.2.
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thanks for the link. at this point, i might try shoehorning the modules into my "fastkernel" setup. The OZ camera module worked there... so maybe i'll get lucky again
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thanks for the link. at this point, i might try shoehorning the modules into my "fastkernel" setup. The OZ camera module worked there... so maybe i'll get lucky again
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any luck with the "shoehorning". I tried, but those ipks won't install, neither by the ipkg or the ipkg-new for opie. Does anybody have those usbmouse.o and usbkbd.o file? So I can manually drop into the appropriate directory.I can't resist the temptation of usbmouse and usbkbd for long. If I can't find those modules soon, I'd probably bread down and restore the stock kernel
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they were right there via nevarrie's link.
I was planning on dropping 'em in tonight or tomorrow.
I'll let you know .
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sorry, didn't notice they were ipks.
ripped and dropped usbmouse.o no luck
back to sharp kernel.
Maybe I will do a quick OZ on the way.
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sorry, didn't notice they were ipks.
ripped and dropped usbmouse.o no luck
back to sharp kernel.
Maybe I will do a quick OZ on the way.
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edit :before I get hasty, I think I may pioke at it a while
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Hi, new 6kL owner!
I liked OZ 3.5.2 Opie very much on my 5500 (well, I definately would have preffered X, but that's another thread, I am stuck with Opie for now- the opie pim apps are brilliant). I have tried flashing it using the instructions on the OZ site (using files: bootstrap.data, updater.sh and gpe.data/opie.data renamed to updater.data), but it doesn't seem to work. I go to maintenance menu, select update, select cf (and i've tried sd too), say yes, then it reboots, with the sharp screen, then init, then it can't find a usb module, then something about no such file or directory (i think because /proc is not mounted), then screen clears and "--CF Updater--" (or something similar) appears, then endlessly scrolling messages saying no such file or dir: /tmp/test168 (the number may be different- it has been test1[something]7 and test[something]8 so far, usually test[something]8).
But before I spend much time or effort, are either of the OZ versions worth flashing?
I guess I would like to have a look for myself anyway.
What about building a custom ROM? Or is that too hard to get 6000 support with?
Thanks
Simon
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I think OZ wants an ext2 cf. is yours fat16 maybe?
3.5.2 is a little rough. 3.5.3 is coming. .5.2 is definitley worth a look though.
There has been talk of a custom rom on the 6000 gerneral forum
pdaXrom now has a 6k and is gearing up to do a port... they are apparently in need of donations too.
i have become something of a "flash addict" since I bought my 6k
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Tried ext2 sd, fat16 sd, ext2 cf, fat16 cf, ext2 sd in cf adapter, none worked, same error every time.
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Hi, new 6kL owner!
I liked OZ 3.5.2 Opie very much on my 5500 (well, I definately would have preffered X, but that's another thread, I am stuck with Opie for now- the opie pim apps are brilliant). I have tried flashing it using the instructions on the OZ site (using files: bootstrap.data, updater.sh and gpe.data/opie.data renamed to updater.data), but it doesn't seem to work. I go to maintenance menu, select update, select cf (and i've tried sd too), say yes, then it reboots, with the sharp screen, then init, then it can't find a usb module, then something about no such file or directory (i think because /proc is not mounted), then screen clears and "--CF Updater--" (or something similar) appears, then endlessly scrolling messages saying no such file or dir: /tmp/test168 (the number may be different- it has been test1[something]7 and test[something]8 so far, usually test[something]8).
But before I spend much time or effort, are either of the OZ versions worth flashing?
I guess I would like to have a look for myself anyway.
What about building a custom ROM? Or is that too hard to get 6000 support with?
Thanks
Simon
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Had it doing that last night. Redownloading everything worked. Something got corrupted.