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Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on December 08, 2004, 08:14:20 pm

Hello All,

I'm in the market to get a pda, been eyeing the SL-6000, that I can create tunes with, thinking more the lines of sequencing my own samples and general sound editing. Any Zaurus musicians on these boards have experience loading apps (ie. Ardour, Trackers) and if so which ones do you find work on this portable scale?

Also how is the mic sound quality on the different zaurus? This probably won't be an issue since I'll be recording most of the samples in the studio, but maybe for field recordings of machinary, animals, neighbors having sex...

Peace Out!


c1t1zen

www.c1t1zen.com

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: Mickeyl on December 08, 2004, 08:31:35 pm

I'd like to see someone adding Qt 2.x support to CheeseTracker, a nice ImpulseTracker clone.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on December 09, 2004, 01:14:48 am

Yeah Impulse Tracker is a fun lite app. what's Qt 2.x is that the abreviation for the desktop Qtopia?

I have a few tracks I did in Impulse Tracker at www.c1t1zen.com/puter
Enjoy.

Can anyone fill me in on the mic (mono) quality? 16bit 44.1khz?

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: cybersphinx on December 09, 2004, 06:29:47 am

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I'd like to see someone adding Qt 2.x support to CheeseTracker, a nice ImpulseTracker clone.

I started that a while ago with the Embedix toolchain, but stopped when some math stuff didn't work (compiling my current tree stops with "implicit declaration of function `int lrintf(...)'"). And aside from the missing math stuff, it's probably slow because of floats...

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: Mickeyl on December 09, 2004, 08:14:50 am

Cool, now that OZ has more than 1000% floating point performance compared to the SharpROM this may be turn out to be usable. Can you post your patch anywhere, please?

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: cybersphinx on December 09, 2004, 09:34:29 am

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Can you post your patch anywhere, please?

Well, what I meant with "stopped when some math stuff didn't work" was that it didn't compile with the Embedix toolchain because of missing lrintf etc. I haven't touched anything with Qt yet...

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: Fromwithin on December 09, 2004, 11:59:58 am

I've just found and compiled FunktrackerGOLD (http://jsno.leal.com.au/proj_linux/funk.html). It was originally a DOS-based tracker, but converted to Linux.

I've tried to load the example files and it doesn't work. I'll have a look at it later. For now though. I've placed it here (http://fromwithin.com/files/funkgold). Just copy it to the Zaurus and run it via a terminal.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: soundwave106 on December 09, 2004, 03:52:46 pm

What I *really* would love to see is Rosegarden, MuSE, or seq24 working on the Zaurus. I am thinking though processing power wise you can't do that much, but at least seq24 (MIDI only) should be possible. Unfortunately QTopia doesn't support ALSA as far as I know.

CSound has been compiled for the Zaurus, at least.

I was thinking of building a simple phrase sampler for the Zaurus (e.g. tap on an icon and it plays an assigned wave file; maybe even record too). Probably a good easy project that I can learn Python on, once I finish up with my Windows MP3 stream ripping project.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: Fromwithin on December 21, 2004, 12:56:02 pm

I've written a multi-track playback mechanism, No GUI for it or anything at the moment, but everything streams very nicely. It supports a block-based audio data approach, like on most digital recorders, so you'll be able to drag around music sections and the like. I'll be adding recording capability to it at some point, and eventually get round to doing a GUI for it. I haven't managed to do any QT stuff yet though.

I was thinking of turning it into a tracker, but that would mean adding sample rate conversion which is not necessary for multi-track recording. Also, everything streams from disk at the moment and a memory-based approach is better for trackers. I'll think about it.

Hmmm....

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on December 25, 2004, 10:34:54 pm

>>>Fromwithin wrote a multi-track playback mechanism<<<

Interested in hearing how that project turns out...
Looks like I'll be getting my sl-6000 next week or so.
can't wait.

Later, c1t1zen

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: the_oak on December 26, 2004, 10:10:33 am

c!t!zen:
Listening to your c1t1zen-Kevlar.mp3 now as I type this. Very, very nice. Thanks!!

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on December 26, 2004, 05:37:26 pm

Soundwave106 I like the idea of an icon based phrase sampler! The touchscreen is begging for use in an audio editor. Where you could draw and sketch out sound ideas like filters and effects.

How about Csound is it possible to install a GUI for Csound I read something about Cecilia? I understand the VGA setting in the Sl-6000 causes a lot of porting issues.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: soundwave106 on December 27, 2004, 04:01:39 pm

Yeah, most of the GUIs that I know of for CSound would have to be heavily ported. Qtopia is way different than most of the standard Linux GUIs, so it seems.

I'm not the best Linux C guru, unfortunately. I wouldn't mind seeing CSound GUIs ported, that would be pretty cool.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on January 06, 2005, 04:13:47 pm

I got my sl-6000 now  
So Far:
Installed Csound, and Gaim (with help from these forums)
still trying to get xmms installed (Glib errors can't allocate 529mb) but that's for another thread.

Downloaded the FunkTrackerGOLD, any one have success with this? I don't even know really where to start. read the readme... seems like a few library's are needed that aren't in the package from that site. I'll look more into it, report back. But if anyones got a start on it let me know.

Any scripts out there I can borrow from you guys, like the multiple files playing simultaniously?

Also one last question should I jump into OZ for more music app options? don't really use the PIM functions.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: c1t1zen on March 07, 2005, 03:16:23 pm

csound HELP

I'm getting (csound tidy up segmentation fault) when I try to run csound, downloaded a few example .sco .orc files from the csound site.

EDIT: I just reinstalled it seems to work now.

C1t1zen

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: lpotter on March 07, 2005, 03:59:36 pm

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What I *really* would love to see is Rosegarden, MuSE, or seq24 working on the Zaurus. I am thinking though processing power wise you can't do that much, but at least seq24 (MIDI only) should be possible. Unfortunately QTopia doesn't support ALSA as far as I know.

CSound has been compiled for the Zaurus, at least.

I was thinking of building a simple phrase sampler for the Zaurus (e.g. tap on an icon and it plays an assigned wave file; maybe even record too). Probably a good easy project that I can learn Python on, once I finish up with my Windows MP3 stream ripping project.
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One thing the Zaurus lacks is a midi device. and arm devices lack a FPU, so audio manipulations are more difficult. Most audio and video apps out there use floating point.
I created audio recording software for the PDAudio cf card. The Zaurus could not even handle the vu meters. It barely handles 2/44100 sound. The Archos PMA400 has decent audio/video hardware, but lacks ALSA.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: cho1ce on March 07, 2005, 09:16:09 pm

hi you might want to look at this thread:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...707&#entry69707 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11079&st=0&p=69707&#entry69707)
theres also some more threads that i started as well as others that are trying to make music on the Z also
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...7902&hl=tracker (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7902&hl=tracker)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...7712&hl=tracker (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7712&hl=tracker)

theres definetly a want for this type of thing, its just finding someone with the know how to be able to get things to work properly
ive tried quite a few things to get music making on the Z from trying to get atari trackers to make sound to running soundtracker in qtx (i think its called)
ive been successful with getting c64 trackers running on frodo on my Z5500G but the control is really hard to figure out so far

also ATM i am trying out the Qpose emulator to see if i can get one of the music roms to work on it but so far it seems really way too slow

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: Mickeyl on March 13, 2005, 07:17:22 am

There should still be Roland MPU401 compatible serial MIDI interfaces around which could be used with a Zaurus. The floating point unit is an issue, but not that bad thanks to soft-floatl.

Title: Zaurus Musicians
Post by: plaka999 on April 06, 2005, 06:48:22 am

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One thing the Zaurus lacks is a midi device. and arm devices lack a FPU, so audio manipulations are more difficult. Most audio and video apps out there use floating point.
I created audio recording software for the PDAudio cf card. The Zaurus could not even handle the vu meters. It barely handles 2/44100 sound. The Archos PMA400 has decent audio/video hardware, but lacks ALSA.
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ah, so that's the answer.   [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9518]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9518[/url]
Sad to hear, the Z would be interesting as a portable recording platform (w/ cf card + ADC + preamp)