Post by: kahm on April 10, 2005, 09:57:00 pm
I've done a complete reset on my 3k and can't duplicate the crash after starting the wireless connection for the first time. Next step is to re-flash the Z and try again.
The DHCP problem that I had has, embarrassingly, gone away. I can properly DHCP from any device on my network now, including the previously problematic 860. The last time I saw the issue is when I tried the C3000 for the very first time. *sigh*
I've got tomorrow set aside for playing with the 3000 rom, so I'll try and build those 3k friendly packages for Opera, Apache+PHP, and Mysql.
Post by: svaslot on April 11, 2005, 04:49:17 am
I have a SL-C3000 since for mounth. I'm happy about this release cacko3k-alpha.
I have a stupid question. But is it possible to a have a downloadable copy or not at this time ??
Stéphane
Post by: euroclie on April 11, 2005, 05:13:23 am
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I have a stupid question. But is it possible to a have a downloadable copy or not at this time ??I'm afraid Andy made it clear that he intended to limit the number of alpha testers to only 5, so that he may start to get some feedback while he's (hopefully) enjoying two weeks of holidays but he didn't go for a public release yet, because he fears that some users may be upset or disappointed by the first unavoidables bugs and glitches with this alpha release, since he won't be able to provide any fix before he comes back.
All in all, given the high quality of this alpha release, though, I'm fairly confident that within a week or so after his return, there will certainly be something to download for everyone!
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 11, 2005, 03:18:51 pm
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Post by: slackwaresupport on April 11, 2005, 04:13:57 pm
Post by: euroclie on April 11, 2005, 09:38:02 pm
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I've got tomorrow set aside for playing with the 3000 rom, so I'll try and build those 3k friendly packages for Opera, Apache+PHP, and Mysql.I've almost finished building a 3k-friendly Opera 7.55 package... I've got a few cosmetic changes (background color) to make to the button's icons (I feel that 14x14 pixel is too small for my taste, so I have replaced the icons by bigger 32x32 icons), a few checks to make on my pre/postint scripts, and check also if it does install without complaining using the GUI ipk installer, but things are looking good so far!
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Post by: kahm on April 12, 2005, 01:06:57 am
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Well, since I went to the trouble of doing it before I saw your post, here's Opera 7.25 from the Cacko feed, fixed for the 3k.
Post by: euroclie on April 12, 2005, 11:56:24 am
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Well, since I went to the trouble of doing it before I saw your post, here's Opera 7.25 from the Cacko feed, fixed for the 3k.Hey, you're really too fast for me!
By chance, I worked on v7.55 so at least it's not completely useless even if (more than) a little redundant... At least now I have the tools setup properly to produce a .ipk package, which will certainly be useful later!
One question remains, though: should I remove entirely the voice stuff or not? I expect most C3000 users won't use it, so it could be nice to save a bit of space, but then it would be more difficult for the persons who want to try voice commands...
The voice command won't work if you don't install the whole IBM package, I think, in which case Opera would automatically be installed anyway (but with the usual problems), so it might be "safe" to remove the few voice-related files in the Opera package...
Otherwise the icons are now rendering much better (but then, I'm no artist, I merely used the icons of my current Opera skin on the PC), there's just a small (temporary) problem, probably with the transparency, on the help icon xpm file, while the application launches, but the icon displays fine afterward...
If someone has better icons (preferably not copyrighted...) just let me know and I'll be glad to include them in the package instead of the current ones. I simply couldn't calibrate my screen precisely enough to use the default 14x14 icons...
I've added scripts (thanks kahm!) for installation (creation of the required directories and symlinks), and for uninstallation as well (removal of all the symlinks but not the /hdd2/Applications/.opera* directories and their content so as to keep the bookmarks intact), this should install and uninstall rather cleanly.
I'd be interested to know if this works: i.e. if you keep your bookmarks after uninstallating/reinstalling, if you don't get strange error messages or unexpected behavior, etc.
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You can get the ipk file here (http://probbe.nerim.net/zaurus/feed/opera_7.55.6079-SLC3000_arm.ipk). Thanks for your feedback... be it on Cacko-3k or Sharp ROM!
Post by: Cyril92 on April 12, 2005, 01:04:39 pm
Have two question for all of you 3k users :
Did you try and manage to use VNCserver on c3k ? (it freezes)
Did you try programs that need SDL ? (does it need a special compilation ?)
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 12, 2005, 01:18:50 pm
Post by: euroclie on April 12, 2005, 03:11:33 pm
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Did you try and manage to use VNCserver on c3k ? (it freezes)No, didn't try that yet... if you have a good howto to help me setup this I might have a look, though.
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Did you try programs that need SDL ? (does it need a special compilation ?)Didn't try this either, but if I remember correctly, the Interstellar Flames demo requires SDL, right? I was able to run the demo on the 3k (Sharp ROM), but didn't give it more than a passing glance, just enough time to say "Wow!" when looking at the graphics, and "Boooh!" for the gameplay (landscape vs. portrait and resolution issue). It was displaying allright though, so it could be a good test to see if I can run this with Cacko3k.
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how can i decrease the size of the icons and such.. like a bigger desktop, i guess you would say. ive looked in the tab settings and all, cant find anything on size.You're talking about the launcher icons, aren't you? I haven't had the time yet to look at this so it's a blind guess, but if it's anything like Opera's menu bar buttons icons, chances are that replacing all the icons by smaller bitmaps might help. I had to do that to change the size and get bigger buttons in Opera 7.55... The trick is that if you change the size, especially when the original or resulting icons are small (and almost every icon I know fall in the "small" category), then resizing the icon usually lower its crispness and visual qualities, which means basically that you have to re-design them manually. This certainly requires more art skills than I'm capable of! :-(
Post by: sriley on April 12, 2005, 04:27:27 pm
Thanks!
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 12, 2005, 10:24:58 pm
Post by: euroclie on April 13, 2005, 01:44:03 am
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looking real good. im typing from it now :> idont think i have any beefs about it yet.Nice to hear that! I'm glad I didn't mess things up for my first ipk (re)package release.
As far as "looking good" goes, by the way, if anyone has a nicer icon for the menu button (the first on the left, just right of the Security (lock) icon), just let me know. I had to create this one myself, and its ugly because I have no graphic talent...
Post by: russell on April 13, 2005, 03:51:28 am
'The filename of this package includes character this application can't handle. Please change the filename and retry install.'
I'm not entirely sure what the problem is, I've tried renaming the filename, with no success, so I've reinstalled the previous version again.
Any ideas?
Russell
Post by: russell on April 13, 2005, 04:00:44 am
As I keep all my IPKs on a 256MB SD Card it wouldn't install it until I copied it. Very odd.
Looks great though, good job!
Russell
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 15, 2005, 09:07:41 am
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 15, 2005, 10:58:40 am
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my screen light like, dims and brightens really fast, almost where you cant see it, not all the way dark, just a little
Post by: euroclie on April 17, 2005, 04:50:21 am
I got a crash (well, a freeze, actually) on the 3000 the other day. It was just when I was trying to sart playing with the GSM/GPRS CF card, and I got a couple of "Bus error" messages when trying to type commands in the terminal (probably trying to access a binary located somewhere in the path while this partition was impossible to access, but that's just a blind guess). Anyway I had to remove the battery, as after a few seconds playing with my almost unusable Zaurus, trying to launch new programs (like the shutdown application) didn't work, and it finally froze. I haven't played again with the CF card, so I'll report if I get anything reproductible.
On another topic - but maybe it's related to the crash I experienced - it seems that the "Tab Setting" application doesn't work correctly. Basically, trying to move an application to another tab just produce a duplicate of the program's icon in the destination tab, but the original icon isn't removed. Deleting a program's icon or a tab doesn't work.
I had a look using the terminal, and it seems that the application creates .desktop files with the "zaurus" user instead of the "root" user. The groupe is correct ("qpe"). And the access rights are wrong as well (rw-r--r-- when the rest of the files are rw-r-----), so I suppose that the "Tab Setting" application might need to be run as root instead of zaurus user to fix this... Anyone else can reproduce this problem with Cacko3k?
Also, the swap part of the battery applet doesn't work anymore for me, I suspect the same kind of problem (suid root needed) than with the Tab Setting application, I'll try to reinstall the Cacko3k alpha to see if I can fix this.
Post by: sriley on April 17, 2005, 12:47:36 pm
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Tab settings work fine for me. I have a particular tab setup that's always the first thing I do with a new ROM and I've had no problems with it.OK, thanks for the report. I'm in the process of reflashing the Cacko3k alpha ROM, this should fix things...
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Before I perform the second reboot and loose the content of the hard drive, here are the few applications I've tested with the Cacko ROM on my 3000:
BDicty English/French Gold v5.2
Photo Storage v1.0.0-en
U-Bahn navigator v0.3.1
HandCom PaintEditor v1.0.1 (doesn't work right)
IconEdit v0.9.4
Tree!Explorer QT v1.7.0
QTAlamucho v1.0.0-vga
Opie Reader v0.7h
TkcZip v2.0-031205
FxConv v0.2.9-1
qcoptest v0.1.1
SafeDee v2.0.2
ZUC v1.1
NeoCal v2.0.2
PDF Viewer (qpdf2) freetype-2.2.1-20040217
Opera v7.55.6079
AQpkg v1.9
With the exception of HanCom PaintEditor which doesn't work quite right, the rest of the installed files showed a normal behavior, i.e. they work as good as on the Sharp ROM...
I'll do some more testing after the next reboot and once I've reinstalled all the stuff... <sigh>
Post by: ned on April 17, 2005, 07:29:33 pm
Is it available yet for download?, and if so, where should I be looking ?
Thanks,
Post by: sriley on April 17, 2005, 07:52:24 pm
The guy that put it together (iamasmith) is limiting distribution until he's convinced it's ready. I can't predict when that will be, but my guess would be a week, or two.
IMO, it'll be worth the wait.
Post by: ned on April 17, 2005, 11:03:04 pm
Post by: cybernetseraph on April 18, 2005, 11:45:01 am
sooon....soon
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 18, 2005, 02:43:10 pm
d9bbf880cae1eaabe354d944c49a9599 qpe-quake-data_1.5.0-1_arm.ipk
50af233a894cbf8abefff7b11a09ae30 qpe-quake_1.5.0-2_arm.ipk
Post by: kahm on April 18, 2005, 08:37:40 pm
I've been thinking on how to resolve the /home problem, without much luck yet. The next thing I'll be working on is repackaging LAMP (Apache, mysql, PHP) and the Open Media Lending Database for the 3000.
The OMLD (http://opendb.i-am-vegan.net/index.php) is a comprehensive media database - the last killer application I need for my Z. Unfortunately it is a PHP app, which involves more overhead than I was hoping for.
I've also got a USB CD-R drive I'll be playing with on the Z, as soon as I can find the A->A usb cable it came with.
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**I am lying.
Post by: euroclie on April 18, 2005, 11:23:46 pm
Back to testing (well, to reinstalling my apps and data, first).
Post by: kahm on April 18, 2005, 11:28:09 pm
Post by: orange on April 19, 2005, 04:37:22 am
just a small question can you run kismet without a dummy network connection? can you put your Wlan card in monitor mode?
if not is it hard to put that in the ROM?
Post by: kahm on April 19, 2005, 09:09:18 am
I've never noticed this one before - anyone else?
Post by: sriley on April 19, 2005, 10:46:15 am
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That's how the applet has always worked for me, I have to specify which swapfile I mean before I can take any action.
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I take it that the program allows you to have multiple swapfiles, one on each supported device? It seems counterintuitive to not tell you which ones are currently activated.
It works well enough. It just seemed odd that the selection disappeared. There is also no indication if you've generated the file in the first place. (What happens when you try to activate a swap file that doesn't exist? I haven't tried.)
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Yes, the applet allows you to have multiple swapfiles, one per supported device. Activated swapfiles are displayed graphically on the applet's Memory tab (the tab on the left), but all are added to a single swapfile so two 16MB swapfiles would be displayed as 32MB in one graph.
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Interesting. It's more understandable why it acts like that - anything more informative would mean a more complicated interface.
Post by: euroclie on April 19, 2005, 10:25:15 pm
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That's how the applet has always worked for me, I have to specify which swapfile I mean before I can take any action.I second that, this is also how it works with me...
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That being said, playing with swap files through the applet leads to some strange things. At the moment, the applet still shows a Total Swap of 67104 kB after I have manually set to Off the swap files on the HDD and SD card (no CF card inserted), and after I have also executed a 'swapoff -a' command in the terminal. There's no /home/zaurus/Documents/.swapfile or /mnt/card/.swapfile files that I can see using a 'ls -al' command in the appropriate directories, so I don't know how the applet can find those figures...
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That being said, playing with swap files through the applet leads to some strange things.Rebooting fixes that strange problem... except that the Zaurus froze during the reboot, I had to open the battery compartment and press the reset switch to force the reboot.
Well, that's why we're called "alpha testers", I guess!
Otherwise I was able to install mplayer/kino2 and play a (XVID) .avi file (though not fullscreen, and with a few glitches here and there on the display) with the sound. Nice!
Next I'll try to install Kismet / Wellenreiter - I might need this later this afternoon in the Linux Cafe in Akihabara!
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QuoteThat being said, playing with swap files through the applet leads to some strange things.Rebooting fixes that strange problem... except that the Zaurus froze during the reboot, I had to open the battery compartment and press the reset switch to force the reboot.
Well, that's why we're called "alpha testers", I guess!
Otherwise I was able to install mplayer/kino2 and play a (XVID) .avi file (though not fullscreen, and with a few glitches here and there on the display) with the sound. Nice!
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Did you happen to try "free" to see if linux thought the swapfile was still active, despite the swapoff commands?
I had the "Qtopia crash after starting the network for the first time" again today. There's definitely something up with that, but reproducing it seems problematic at the moment.
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Next I'll try to install Kismet / Wellenreiter - I might need this later this afternoon in the Linux Cafe in Akihabara!
You sure get around, don't you?
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Did you happen to try "free" to see if linux thought the swapfile was still active, despite the swapoff commands?No, I didn't think about that one... Will try this if the problem occurs again, though.
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I had the "Qtopia crash after starting the network for the first time" again today. There's definitely something up with that, but reproducing it seems problematic at the moment.I didn't have any crash after installing WellenReiter and Kismet, but launching WellenReiter caused some trouble: I got a dialog box warning me that I was running it without root privileges, so there might be restrictions in capabilities. I continued, and after that I couldn't exit the program, there was alwas the WellenReiter icon in the bottom taskbar, even when a "ps -ax" command didn't show wellenreiter running... and every now and then, WellenReiter would pop up in the front, and present me with the same dialog about root privileges... Annoying. I rebooted and got rid of this. I've activated the "execute with root privileges" for this application, I'll see tomorrow if this changes anything (right now I don't have a WiFi network close at hand to test it)...
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You sure get around, don't you?Traveling a lot has its good sides, sometimes!
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I haven't tried playing with kismet or wellenreiter on the 3000 yet. It looks like I'm going spend a couple of days resetting my 3000 trying to reliably reproduce that qtopia crash. After that I'll look into the scanning software.
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QuoteYou sure get around, don't you?ÂTraveling a lot has its good sides, sometimes!
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No kidding. I got to spend some time in Japan last October and had a blast. Missed seeing the Linux Cafe in Akihabara, though. I don't suppose you have a map of the area (or know of one online)? I'm curious as to where it is.
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I got to spend some time in Japan last October and had a blast. Missed seeing the Linux Cafe in Akihabara, though. I don't suppose you have a map of the area (or know of one online)? I'm curious as to where it is.Here you are, Sir:
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(the Linux Cafe is at the red blinking dot).
This map is from a PalmOS program called Akibamap which I used regularly. It's a pity there's no arm Linux version! It still works on the PalmOS simulator (on my PC) though...
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(the Linux Cafe is at the red blinking dot).
This map is from a PalmOS program called Akibamap which I used regularly. It's a pity there's no arm Linux version! It still works on the PalmOS simulator (on my PC) though...
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Extremely cool. Do you do something special for Japanese support? I tracked down and installed Akibamap on my (English) Clie TJ35 and, as expected, it's all mojibake The only other Japanese-language software I have for the Palm is Dokusha, and it includes fonts...
I *really* wish I'd had something like this when I went on my trip. Live and learn. I'll be better prepared for when I go back. (Of course, speaking Japanese at greater-than-kindergarten levels would help, too. Something else to put on my list of things to do. It's amazing to see the reactions of people over there when an obvious gaijin manages to string together more than 3 words of Japanese coherently. Choruses of "Jouzu, desu nee!" follow )
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Extremely cool. Do you do something special for Japanese support? I tracked down and installed Akibamap on my (English) Clie TJ35 and, as expected, it's all mojibake The only other Japanese-language software I have for the Palm is Dokusha, and it includes fonts...[off-topic]There's CJKOS and J-OS, those two solutions should provide a Japanese environment (fonts, basically, but also IME) for almost every PalmOS flavor, as far as I know. But they're commercial or shareware, require some RAM, and the fonts are not necessarily pretty... Your best bet would be a Japanese ROM reflash, I know that this could be done easily on pre-OS5 devices, but I think this has become difficult/impossible with OS5.[/off-topic]
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I *really* wish I'd had something like this when I went on my trip. Live and learn. I'll be better prepared for when I go back. (Of course, speaking Japanese at greater-than-kindergarten levels would help, too. Something else to put on my list of things to do. It's amazing to see the reactions of people over there when an obvious gaijin manages to string together more than 3 words of Japanese coherently. Choruses of "Jouzu, desu nee!" follow )I wish there was an easy way to make accented characters (for French) and Japanese Kanji/Kana coexist peacefully on the same device, but as of yet I've still to find a satisfactory solution, even on the Zaurus... Also, I'd like to see a Zaurus port of Akibamap, that would sure be pretty useful, especially with the Zaurus large screen! As it is, the Cacko3k ROM English localization is so good that there is virtually no Japanese leftover! Hmm... maybe I'll try to add Japanese support back later on!
As far as Cacko feedback goes (let's try to get back on-topic, sorry for the non-Zaurus digression), I've installed and run DoomDemo succesfully, and Quake as well. Doom runs fine (except that the keys are inverted but that's easy to fix) and smoothly, but Quake was choppy as hell in 640x400, I had to resize the display to 320x240 to get (marginally) better performances. I had not been tested this game before (on the Sharp ROM), does anyone know how well it performs on the Sharp ROM?
I followed the instructions I found here (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/) to install Doom, Quake, Kismet and Wellenreiter, everything seems to run fine (except the performance problem). I didn't do any real-field WiFi testing with Kismet or WellenReiter, though (I was too busy talking whith mammothrept this afternoon at the Linux Cafe!), all I can say is that my Zaurus did succesfully connect to their WiFi open network with a Planex CF card (GW-CF11X).
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[off-topic]There's CJKOS and J-OS, those two solutions should provide a Japanese environment (fonts, basically, but also IME) for almost every PalmOS flavor, as far as I know. But they're commercial or shareware, require some RAM, and the fonts are not necessarily pretty... Your best bet would be a Japanese ROM reflash, I know that this could be done easily on pre-OS5 devices, but I think this has become difficult/impossible with OS5.[/off-topic]
I'll see what I can do. I've got lots of ram in this thing, and it was retired ~6months ago when I got the 860 so I'm not doing much with it anyway.
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I wish there was an easy way to make accented characters (for French) and Japanese Kanji/Kana coexist peacefully on the same device, but as of yet I've still to find a satisfactory solution, even on the Zaurus...
That's an interesting point - I'm using lcfont as the application font for my 860 (Cacko v1.22lite), and it seems to support both Japanese and French characters. What kind of problems are you having?
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Also, I'd like to see a Zaurus port of Akibamap, that would sure be pretty useful, especially with the Zaurus large screen! As it is, the Cacko3k ROM English localization is so good that there is virtually no Japanese leftover! Hmm... maybe I'll try to add Japanese support back later on!
Once we get cacko3k finalized that's the first thing I want to work on - getting the Japanese back in I'll be updating the Howto I wrote as soon as we figure out the best way. As for Akimap, I assume there is some sort of update mechanism for refreshing the map, or do they just put out new versions of the program? (If they provide updates, porting wouldn't be a bad idea. If not, keeping a 3rd party port up to date would be...difficult.)
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As far as Cacko feedback goes (let's try to get back on-topic, sorry for the non-Zaurus digression), I've installed and run DoomDemo succesfully, and Quake as well. Doom runs fine (except that the keys are inverted but that's easy to fix) and smoothly, but Quake was choppy as hell in 640x400, I had to resize the display to 320x240 to get (marginally) better performances. I had not been tested this game before (on the Sharp ROM), does anyone know how well it performs on the Sharp ROM?
Quake doesn't perform well at all, apparently. 640x480 is definitely out. There were some questions going on regarding how to scale it to full screen from 320x240, but I haven't seen if they solved that one. That's one of the big advantages of Opie blowing backwards compatibility - they can use newer compilers and soft-float for better floating point performance. Don't know how much of a real difference it makes, though. I'll likely test Opie on my 860 once cacko3k is finalized.
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That's an interesting point - I'm using lcfont as the application font for my 860 (Cacko v1.22lite), and it seems to support both Japanese and French characters. What kind of problems are you having?Basically, many applications cannot display simultaneously French and Japanese characters. For instance, with the original Sharp ROM, Netfront can't display the French characters correctly unless you replace the Japanese fonts by western fonts. I didn't try very hard, though, it should be possible to find a font (unicode?) that handles both. The problem is that French is using single byte encoding but with "extended ascii"-like characters (code 128 to 255), which most Japanese software interpret as a multi-byte character, eating the following character in the process...
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Once we get cacko3k finalized that's the first thing I want to work on - getting the Japanese back in I'll be updating the Howto I wrote as soon as we figure out the best way. As for Akimap, I assume there is some sort of update mechanism for refreshing the map, or do they just put out new versions of the program? (If they provide updates, porting wouldn't be a bad idea. If not, keeping a 3rd party port up to date would be...difficult.)I think that they do release a new package every now and then, but all we should have to do is handle properly the .pdb file containing the data, and just omit the .prc file containing the executable. I'm sure that if we ask politely to Akibamap's author(s), we could get the permission to use their database. But then, I have the feeling that it doesn't get updated very often...
All in all, even a "simple" mapping program which would let you write a quick note (like "I found this super gadget at xxx JPY in this shop"), associate it with a shop (input the name manually, if needed, and point it on the map), and browse the notes afterward to locate the best price you found on a given product... yes, this would b useful, indeed.
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Quake doesn't perform well at all, apparently. 640x480 is definitely out.OK, I was a bit afraid that something was "broken" or missconfigured, but from what you write, I gather that the Cacko ROM provides normal performances.
Post by: kahm on April 21, 2005, 10:12:30 am
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Basically, many applications cannot display simultaneously French and Japanese characters. For instance, with the original Sharp ROM, Netfront can't display the French characters correctly unless you replace the Japanese fonts by western fonts. I didn't try very hard, though, it should be possible to find a font (unicode?) that handles both. The problem is that French is using single byte encoding but with "extended ascii"-like characters (code 128 to 255), which most Japanese software interpret as a multi-byte character, eating the following character in the process...
Ah. So it's an encoding issue on the application side. You'd need something like Firefox, which would let you switch encodings on the fly. (Or stop viewing anything but UTF8 encoded pages. )
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I think that they do release a new package every now and then, but all we should have to do is handle properly the .pdb file containing the data, and just omit the .prc file containing the executable. I'm sure that if we ask politely to Akibamap's author(s), we could get the permission to use their database. But then, I have the feeling that it doesn't get updated very often...
All in all, even a "simple" mapping program which would let you write a quick note (like "I found this super gadget at xxx JPY in this shop"), associate it with a shop (input the name manually, if needed, and point it on the map), and browse the notes afterward to locate the best price you found on a given product... yes, this would b useful, indeed.
Something to look at for my next trip over. (Which, unfortunately, won't be for a couple of years.
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OK, I was a bit afraid that something was "broken" or missconfigured, but from what you write, I gather that the Cacko ROM provides normal performances.
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Sounds like it. Last time I tried quake myself was on a 200mhz Ipaq. I'm always nervous when trying to use a $700 PDA like it's a $100 Gameboy. (Or a $300 PSP now, I suppose) So I rarely play any arcade/action style games on PDAs - just puzzle games.
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Ah. So it's an encoding issue on the application side. You'd need something like Firefox, which would let you switch encodings on the fly. (Or stop viewing anything but UTF8 encoded pages. )Opera does let you switch on the desktop version as well, I wish there was such a menu in the Linux ARM version! As for reading only UTF8 pages... Well, maybe it's time for me to apply for a new job in Japan, then?
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Sounds like it. Last time I tried quake myself was on a 200mhz Ipaq. I'm always nervous when trying to use a $700 PDA like it's a $100 Gameboy. (Or a $300 PSP now, I suppose) So I rarely play any arcade/action style games on PDAs - just puzzle games.I also never play those kind of games on my PDA. I might keep Doom to impress people - though at the current rate at which things evolve, your average PocketPC user has games much more impressive than this now - but I find that I have rarely time to play even puzzle games. My wife is more skilled at Bejeweled on PalmOS PDAs than I ever was!
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Post by: kahm on April 23, 2005, 09:34:47 am
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BTW, anyone else using Cacko3k has problem sorting contacts in the addressbook? I mean, it's not even a Japanese vs. English alphabet sorting issue, it's just that when trying to sort contacts by full name, they are not sorted at all! I thought that it sorted the categories separately, but even within a category I get strange results with contacts being displayed more or less in the same order that they were created...
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Yup. I use Ka/Pi, but I tried putting a bunch of stuff into the stock addressbook. Seems like the addressbook sorting is completely broken. Sorting the column by tapping on the header sorts in first->last or last->first entered, not alphabetically. The labeled tabs across the top don't select anything unless you click on "#", and entering text into the quicksearch field gets nothing.
Post by: euroclie on April 23, 2005, 10:42:09 am
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Yup. I use Ka/Pi, but I tried putting a bunch of stuff into the stock addressbook. Seems like the addressbook sorting is completely broken. Sorting the column by tapping on the header sorts in first->last or last->first entered, not alphabetically. The labeled tabs across the top don't select anything unless you click on "#", and entering text into the quicksearch field gets nothing.This pretty much sums up what I get, too.
Post by: kahm on April 23, 2005, 01:24:38 pm
I've also found something that annoys me about the 3000. I can't turn it on with the screen closed. When I'm using it as an mp3 player, with the 860 I would just reach into the top of my pocket and turn it on, then press play on the remote to launch the media player. With the 3000, I have to take the whole thing out of my pocket, open the screen, turn it on, then close the screen and put it back into the pocket.
Post by: euroclie on April 23, 2005, 06:38:21 pm
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I've also found something that annoys me about the 3000. I can't turn it on with the screen closed. When I'm using it as an mp3 player, with the 860 I would just reach into the top of my pocket and turn it on, then press play on the remote to launch the media player. With the 3000, I have to take the whole thing out of my pocket, open the screen, turn it on, then close the screen and put it back into the pocket.Do you have "suspend when the display is closed" checked in the Light Settings application? Does it make any difference if checked/unchecked?
Post by: sriley on April 23, 2005, 07:51:47 pm
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Another issue. Unzip doesn't work. It's in the rom as a link to zip, where in Cacko 1.22 it is a seperate program. Unzip ends up working exactly like zip - compress only. I copied unzip across from the 860 and it works fine.
Yep. I just found that out and came here to post, but you beat me to it.
Post by: kahm on April 24, 2005, 09:18:38 am
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QuoteI've also found something that annoys me about the 3000. I can't turn it on with the screen closed. When I'm using it as an mp3 player, with the 860 I would just reach into the top of my pocket and turn it on, then press play on the remote to launch the media player. With the 3000, I have to take the whole thing out of my pocket, open the screen, turn it on, then close the screen and put it back into the pocket.Do you have "suspend when the display is closed" checked in the Light Settings application? Does it make any difference if checked/unchecked?
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Suspend when display closed is the first thing that I turn off. I use it as an mp3 player so it spends a lot of time running when closed. I also like to leave it running in between using it at work, so it gets closed a lot. Having it suspend every time drives me nuts.
It doesn't matter whether the "suspend when display is closed" option is on or off - it won't turn on with the lid down. I suspect it's the inclusion of that option that prompted them to change the usage of the power button in the first place.
Post by: iamasmith on April 24, 2005, 11:59:20 am
What I would like now is a list of things that you discovered in the last two weeks (since my ininitial hitlist posting)
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voice recorder possibly to be added from 860 build.... to be tested.
Opera to be added
Wireless Monitor
Memory Monitor applet.. swapfile bits. - fixed in patch - just include.
Battery/CPU Frequency Application... Anton says he will work on this. (please don't start lobbying Aton for updates, he's not got a device to test with yet and is very busy on the regular Cacko stuff).
Remove the Shift toggle from keyhelper.xml
Media Player is screwed... missed pic144 directory... simple fix.
Remove samba from /etc/rc.d/init.d otherwise inetd dies when you sync.
DHCP in certain environment seems not to work... need more detailed info.
kahm, did you narrow down your DHCP issues any further ?
Oh, BTW: If you could consolidate your issues into single posts along with any workarounds that you implemented then that would be great.
Regards,
(very tired Andy.. up since 5.30am to drive from Carvoeiro to Faro for my flight)
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OK guys, I'm backHope u had a good break! All C3000 owners have been eagerly awaiting your return...
Russell
Post by: kahm on April 24, 2005, 07:24:51 pm
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OK guys, I'm back, I can see that kahm has been busy with Opera repackaging for the 3000. Great stuff.
What I would like now is a list of things that you discovered in the last two weeks (since my ininitial hitlist posting)
kahm, did you narrow down your DHCP issues any further ?
Oh, BTW: If you could consolidate your issues into single posts along with any workarounds that you implemented then that would be great.
Regards,
(very tired Andy.. up since 5.30am to drive from Carvoeiro to Faro for my flight)
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Welcome back, Mr. Smith
My DHCP issues, embarassingly, solved themselves. Somehow. Last time I saw the problem was the first time I fired up DHCP on the stock 3000. Works perfectly now.
Addressbook sorting is broken.
Unzip isn't working. It's currently a link to zip, where on v1.22 it is a seperate program. Copying the seperate program to the 3000 fixed it.
There *is* some sort of Qtopia crash triggered by the first activation of networking - I've seen it twice after resets, but the catch is it doesn't happen if the first thing you try after a reset is activate wireless. I'll spend a couple of hours resetting my Z on my next day off to see if I can find what sets it up. I should note that I haven't had any other Qtopia crashes so far - this one was observed at the exact same instant both times
Euroclie has repacked and modified Opera 7.55. Mine is 7.25. I want to tweak my scripts a bit and Euroclie's needs the (useless) multimodal stuff removed. I haven't tried the newer version yet. Something I'll get around to on Tuesday. (My next day off - I'm coming off of 7 in a row, so I've been a bit too busy to work on it. ) LMK if you'd prefer one or the other and I'll work with Euroclie to clean that up. (I don't know how urgent this will be, considering you're going to be adding it to the rom anyway. )
My next repack will be Apache, PHP, MySQL, as I need it for the OMLD. I'll do both the php4 and php5 versions, as the scripting should be pretty easy.
I've got a USB CD-RW I'm going to try on the Z. I just found the A->A USB cable it needs!
After that list gets done, I'll take suggestions as to what I should work on next We've got people beating down the doors wanting a copy of this!
Post by: kahm on April 24, 2005, 09:56:45 pm
The USB keyboard layout, while useable, is still a little wonky. Guyhelm is working on improved keymapping on the 6000 (Whose USB keymap is apparently basically unusable ), and had me send him the files from the 3000 to check out. We may hear more from him on that.
You can't play MP3 files off of USB media with the Sharp Mediaplayer. It refuses to recognize the existence of new mount points in the Documents tab. A link from HDD3, etc will probably be necessary to browse USB media for some apps.
There is a little strangeness with the USB stuff. Plugging in a partitionless USB device then removing it breaks something so that a properly partitioned USB device subsequently doesn't get detected. Plus, doing this with a USB keyboard on caused the USB keyboard to stop responding. Unplugging and plugging the keyboard back in resulted in a messed up keymap (BS=N, etc. Totally unusable. This has happened to me twice now, haven't got a reproducable sequence down yet) Rebooting cures both symptoms. I haven't tried missing with manually removing modules yet.
Post by: iamasmith on April 25, 2005, 04:26:55 am
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There is a little strangeness with the USB stuff. Plugging in a partitionless USB device then removing it breaks something so that a properly partitioned USB device subsequently doesn't get detected. Plus, doing this with a USB keyboard on caused the USB keyboard to stop responding. Unplugging and plugging the keyboard back in resulted in a messed up keymap (BS=N, etc. Totally unusable. This has happened to me twice now, haven't got a reproducable sequence down yet) Rebooting cures both symptoms. I haven't tried missing with manually removing modules yet.
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The safest thing with unpartitioned media types on USB is as follows..
eject /dev/sda
rmmod usb-storage
This will ensure that the usb-storage gets the IOCTL to eject the device (It also unmounts and syncs). Unfortunately the IOCTL doesn't seem to ever remove the sda device from the /proc/partitions entries like it does with my desktop 2.6 Kernel so I suspect that's a limitation with this old version of the usb-storage module. Since the device is ejected removing the module with rmmod gets rid of the sda entry in /proc /partititons.
You will notice that when using a properly partitioned device you will see /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 in the /proc/partitions file. If you eject /dev/sda then you still see the sda device but /dev/sda1 is gone... the eject patch for the card monitor that I put together issues an rmmod of the usb-storage module following the eject command to work around this issue.
The reason that the think messes up is that when you hotplug another storage device when the proc/partitions file shows sda it will use sdb instead.
I suspect that this older version of usb-storage isn't actually fully aware of hdd type usb-storage and triggers only a media eject rather than a device eject (i.e. for CD ejects the CD rather than the whole CD reader).
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 25, 2005, 05:26:42 am
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Glad to say that the USB CD-RW works perfectly as a reader. It became /dev/scd0 when I plugged it in, and I'm copying files off it as we speak. I seem to recall someone with a 6000 getting CD burning working, but I'll have to look it up for details. (Probably something along the lines of recompiling some commandline tools for ARM. I can just see it now - New and Improved Cakco! Now with CD-Burning! )
Usual location, called cdrtools_2.01_arm.ipk
Totally untested, I don't have a USB CD Writer at the moment.
Let me know if it does anything at all.
BTW: This package also includes mkisofs etc. it's the full cdrtools build.
Update: cdrecord -scanbus will probably fail due to the lack of /dev/pg0 etc. You can check the bus and device numbers through /proc/scsi/scsi contents.
- Andy
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Addressbook sorting is broken.
Unzip isn't working. It's currently a link to zip, where on v1.22 it is a seperate program. Copying the seperate program to the 3000 fixed it.
There *is* some sort of Qtopia crash triggered by the first activation of networking - I've seen it twice after resets, but the catch is it doesn't happen if the first thing you try after a reset is activate wireless. I'll spend a couple of hours resetting my Z on my next day off to see if I can find what sets it up. I should note that I haven't had any other Qtopia crashes so far - this one was observed at the exact same instant both times
Euroclie has repacked and modified Opera 7.55. Mine is 7.25. I want to tweak my scripts a bit and Euroclie's needs the (useless) multimodal stuff removed. I haven't tried the newer version yet. Something I'll get around to on Tuesday. (My next day off - I'm coming off of 7 in a row, so I've been a bit too busy to work on it. ) LMK if you'd prefer one or the other and I'll work with Euroclie to clean that up. (I don't know how urgent this will be, considering you're going to be adding it to the rom anyway. )
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addressbook sorting is now fixed. I'm not going to post an update... I'm going to wrap all stuff into beta1 and allow a much wider testing circle. (if you want you can fix by copying addressbook.so from a Cacko distribution in the /opt/QtPalmtop/binlib directory but will also need liben.so.* from the /opt/QtPalmtop/lib directories).
Can't crash Qtopia exactly as reported.. if you can provide me with a standard walkthrough that reliably recreates it I can do some testing... I have a suspiscion about some bit of code in the cardmon applet that I didn't like the look of... not absolutely sure though so a sureproof repro scenario would be good.
I'll take a look at Euroclie's version of the Opera package... sorry for missing your posting Euroclie, as I said I was tired when I got back.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: kahm on April 25, 2005, 09:30:37 am
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addressbook sorting is now fixed. I'm not going to post an update... I'm going to wrap all stuff into beta1 and allow a much wider testing circle. (if you want you can fix by copying addressbook.so from a Cacko distribution in the /opt/QtPalmtop/binlib directory but will also need liben.so.* from the /opt/QtPalmtop/lib directories).
Can't crash Qtopia exactly as reported.. if you can provide me with a standard walkthrough that reliably recreates it I can do some testing... I have a suspiscion about some bit of code in the cardmon applet that I didn't like the look of... not absolutely sure though so a sureproof repro scenario would be good.
I'll take a look at Euroclie's version of the Opera package... sorry for missing your posting Euroclie, as I said I was tired when I got back.
Regards,
Andy
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I'll be putting the CDRW stuff through the wringer tonight Thanks for the files.
I'll try and work out a walk-through for that crash. It happened to me the first time I tried wireless, then when I reset specifically to test it didn't happen. The second time was the first time I tried wireless after another reset - but I did other stuff first. It took me a day or so to get around to wanting to connect It's there, but something else seems to set it up.
Post by: iamasmith on April 25, 2005, 09:50:12 am
I quite like 7.55 although the forward/back button graphics are a bit mesleading when you first fire it up (looks like they are missing).
- Andy
Post by: kahm on April 25, 2005, 12:39:29 pm
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What's the consensus on the version of Opera in the ROM?
I quite like 7.55 although the forward/back button graphics are a bit mesleading when you first fire it up (looks like they are missing).
- Andy
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I haven't tried the 7.55 yet. I like the thought of the smaller icons in the orginal - less wasted screen space. (It isn't like they're super tiny)
What I would like is a slightly larger default font size (without having to magnify the screen.)
I'll try out the 7.55 package and see what it's like. Do we know if there are any functional differences between 7.25 and 7.55?
Post by: euroclie on April 25, 2005, 01:24:45 pm
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What's the consensus on the version of Opera in the ROM?I found that the original icons (14x14) were too tiny to my taste (not that I had troubles seeing them, mind you, just that I often found myself tapping on the adjacent icon because of limited digitizer accuracy), so I replaced them by 32x32 icons.Of course, this means losing 18 pixels in the top icon bar...
I quite like 7.55 although the forward/back button graphics are a bit mesleading when you first fire it up (looks like they are missing).
It seems, though, that Opera replaces the bitmaps of the disabled buttons by grayed-out versions when you're not supposed to tap on that button (for instance the back/forward buttons when you open the browser, and also the voice command icon in the top right of the icon bar).
I still have to iron out some artifacts (black dots) on the xpm files, probably caused by a buggy png->xpm format conversion, but otherwise I'm not sure about what can be done to make the bitmaps look better when grayed out... Maybe alter the original icon, I'd have to check but it may be that the grayed-out version is a simple two-bits depth of the original bitmap, with either transparent or anything else...
But then, if I'm the only one interested (i.e. if like kahm the majority of the users think that the original buttons are OK) then it's probably not worth the effort? Or in the worst case, I suppose I could always release the buttons in a separate skin package.
Oh, btw, it's good to know the adderss book sorting is fixed! It was making me crazy whenever I wanted to use the addressbook! (though the find menu worked OK).
Post by: sriley on April 25, 2005, 11:33:25 pm
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 12:47:29 am
Cdrecord complains missing /deg/pg*, but that's for parallel drives.
I looked around, but couldn't find the posts on cd-burning with the 6000. There was a link to kernel modules for sg and scsi built for the 6000, though.
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CD burning looks like a no go without the generic scsi kernel modules and /dev/sg*.
Cdrecord complains missing /deg/pg*, but that's for parallel drives.
I looked around, but couldn't find the posts on cd-burning with the 6000. There was a link to kernel modules for sg and scsi built for the 6000, though.
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OK, you shouldn't need a module, just the entry in /dev sg is linked into this kernel rather than as a module - that's standard Sharp config with this kernel.
mknod /dev/sg0 c 21 0
is probably all you need to do.
pg support isn't needed but screws up the scanbus option (may patch that out later). You can confirm the target ID of the device by looking at /proc/scsi/scsi and then using the channel, target & lun as the dev paramaters...
cdrecord dev=0,0,0 myiso.iso
Assuming that the /proc/scsi/scsi was reporting all zeros.
Just tried this with a pendrive because I don't have a USB CD Writer, it gets far enough to complain that it's a Generic Disk rather than a writer so I suspect that is all you need.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 26, 2005, 09:19:06 am
http://sg.torque.net/sg/u_index.html (http://sg.torque.net/sg/u_index.html)
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http://sg.torque.net/sg/u_index.html (http://sg.torque.net/sg/u_index.html)
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Shouldn't be required. I'm rebuilding now without the /dev/pg support. I'll post it up when I can do a proper scanbus.
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 26, 2005, 11:35:52 am
I dropped the pg driver (really simple, just removed a definition from a makefile) and have added a postinst script that creates the device nodes for /dev/sg0 through sg15.
Following standard linux conventions you need to be root to write to these nodes...
I don't have a USB CD Writer to test with but here's what happens with a 'Dazzle' SD card reader connected with a 128Mb SD card installed....
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bash-2.05# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J�g Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'.
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'Generic ' 'STORAGE DEVICE ' '0113' Removable Disk
0,1,0 1) *
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
bash-2.05# BTW: the sg driver doesn't initialise until you plug something in so expect an error if you don't have a USB device connected. Let me know if anyone can burn something. The suspense is killing me.
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Let me know if anyone can burn something. The suspense is killing me.I have a USB2 DVD writer at home (actually, it's an IDE internal writer, but I bought a simple, cheap USB2 to IDE adapter), I wonder if I could somehow make it work with the Zaurus... That would sure be cool! At last a simple way to perform a full backup of the microdrive! I'll try first to write a DVD at the lowest possible speed using one of my laptop's USB1 builtin connectors (normally I'd use a USB2 PCMCIA card to connect it), and if it works then I'll try doing the same from the Zaurus. But that'll have to wait until I'm back home (next week-end)!
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 12:29:14 pm
cdrecord -scanbus properly reports my Archos drive, and better yet, cdrecord -checkdrive -dev=0,0,0 properly recognizes it as a CD-RW drive.
Now to actually try burning....
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 02:31:13 pm
I created an ISO file out of the 412mb April version of the wikipedia file for the Z, and did a successful dummy burn at 2x. I initially forgot to include a speed parameter and it started off at a 16x burn. The buffer was all over the place, but it got as far as 50mb or so before I cancelled it. It said the fifo was never empty, but USB1 shouldn't be able to do a 16x burn. I'll leave experimentation on that for later.
I'm in the process of actually burning the file now to test if it works.
Post by: slackwaresupport on April 26, 2005, 02:41:12 pm
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-annou...4/msg00019.html (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00019.html)
the new project manager explains they only have about 40k in cash.. ruh ro
Post by: iamasmith on April 26, 2005, 02:50:52 pm
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The /dev/sg* entries seem to disappear on reboot. I had to manually create a /dev/sg0 again to get cdrecord to work.
I created an ISO file out of the 412mb April version of the wikipedia file for the Z, and did a successful dummy burn at 2x. I initially forgot to include a speed parameter and it started off at a 16x burn. The buffer was all over the place, but it got as far as 50mb or so before I cancelled it. It said the fifo was never empty, but USB1 shouldn't be able to do a 16x burn. I'll leave experimentation on that for later.
I'm in the process of actually burning the file now to test if it works.
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Awesome, right I'll take a look at the /dev structure creation for the beta ROM.
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 02:58:00 pm
Five years ago, if someone told me that I'd one day be burning CD's off of my PDA, I'd have thought they were nuts.
You could probably get away with a 4x burn, I've only tried 2x. But it works, and can be read on the Z and my WinXP box.
Post by: nilch on April 26, 2005, 03:21:07 pm
we, on the sidelines are watching this thread like keen hawks :-)
CD burning from the Zaurus, superb.
I can start visualising scenes where I pump in my CF card from the Camera into my Z, and burn all those great pics (and movies) to a CD having access to a CD burner at a friends place without access to my home computer even.
Great.
Now just a side question ? I am sure you are using CDRECORD util to burn (Kahm), but is there a GUI tool also which can be used (easily ported) on the Zaurus ? I think with this ROM (with CDBurning built in) many will be asking for a GUI tool too.
On my (linux) desktop I used to use K3B. I wonder what tools will be available which can be ported to the Z.
Thanks guys for the excellent testing and feedback cycle.
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 03:35:56 pm
It is only useful if you don't have access to *any* computer whatsoever. As soon as you have a computer with both USB and a CD-burner, you're better off dumping the data to the computer and burning from there. Including ISO generation, it took over 40min to write the CD.
Maybe I should try testing piping mkisofs through cdrecord. Hmm....
Had I owned this setup 6mo ago, I'd have taken it with me to Japan instead of a laptop.
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 03:44:02 pm
Traceroute especially, though.
I've also had that USB keyboard map issue become a little more annoying. It turns out that rebooting doesn't necessarily fix it. It sounds like some of the problems Guyhelm was having - A is Function, 1 through BS become a-n, etc. I tried rebooting, manually removing and reloading the usbkbd module, etc. I was about to give up on it when it seemed to fix itself. I'd unplugged and replugged the keyboard a half dozen times, and the last time just worked.
(does anyone else feel like we need a Mr. Anderson to go with our Mr. Smith?)
Post by: iamasmith on April 26, 2005, 03:57:03 pm
Thanks for the testing kahm, excellent work.
BTW: If you want to run XQT then I'm sure we can get k3b going... unfortunately a port to a QT interface will take a bit longer.
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(does anyone else feel like we need a Mr. Anderson to to with our Mr. Smith?)Ha! His ID would work for that too iamasmith (I am Agent Smith).
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Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 04:34:00 pm
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Right, I'll add traceroute, whois, nslookup and dig.
Thanks for the testing kahm, excellent work.
BTW: If you want to run XQT then I'm sure we can get k3b going... unfortunately a port to a QT interface will take a bit longer.
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I'm a lazy bastard, aren't I? These are all tested:
[a href=\"http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/]http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/[/url]
(MTR, Traceroute, Dig)
I'd suggest adding ncftp as well, as soon as I can track it down. It keeps a config file in the user's home directory, so I'll munge the ipk to simlink it off.
I'm supposed to be doing my taxes today. Anyone else notice how many views this thread has? Almost 3000 now...
Post by: iamasmith on April 26, 2005, 04:37:27 pm
I'm not wholly convinced of properly fixing the usbkbd issue until we have finished the userland stuff. This sounds like I'm going to have to backport some kernel patches to get it working reliably. Sorry this may take some time... we may have to go with a workaround initially.
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 04:41:22 pm
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Any more news on a repro scenario for the Qtopia crash kahm?
I'm not wholly convinced of properly fixing the usbkbd issue until we have finished the userland stuff. This sounds like I'm going to have to backport some kernel patches to get it working reliably. Sorry this may take some time... we may have to go with a workaround initially.
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I haven't had time to set and reset my 3000 10x in a row yet. It'll be done within the next 36hrs. If it's there, I'll find it.
I realize the USB stuff will take time to iron out. Consider my posts a stream-of-consciousness sort of thing - I'll just blurt out whatever I come across at the time. It gets the issues recorded and noted, nothing more. If I don't do it that way, I'll inevitably forget.
Post by: fastscirocco on April 26, 2005, 04:41:26 pm
I was one of the original 5, but a death in my family prevented me from flashing my C3000 before Iamasmith left on vacation.
Sitting here staring at my stock Z waiting anxiously for the next official release!
Keep up the good work guys!
Chris
PS I remotedesktopped into my file server at home, from that into my computer and from that to my wife's computer...and then launched tetris on her computer!
I was sitting on my couch laughing my A** off using 4 computers to play TETRIS!
Am I sick?
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 04:50:21 pm
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PS I remotedesktopped into my file server at home, from that into my computer and from that to my wife's computer...and then launched tetris on her computer!
I was sitting on my couch laughing my A** off using 4 computers to play TETRIS!
Am I sick?
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That may be the most CPU horsepower ever dedicated to a single game of Tetris. You're not sick, just a true Zaurite!
Sorry to hear about your circumstances. I expect that you'll be able to join in on beta1 RSN (Real Soon Now), so chin up!
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 05:01:09 pm
The Opera ipk just moved the files to /hdd2/Applications, which may not be the best idea. How about /hdd2/zaurus, owned by zaurus and part of the qpe group?
I ask because I want to get it straight before making any more modifications. Euroclie built some nice extensions on my Opera scripts. I'd like to finish those off properly and make a template out of them so that it will be easy to add 3000 detection and symlinking to Ipks. It'll be fairly trivial to add creation of the /hdd2/zaurus directory if it doesn't exist - that way they can be used on stock 3000s as well as Cacko3k'd 3000s.
Mr. Smith - let me know if you've decided on an Opera version. The IPKs for both have to be cleaned up regardless.
Post by: iamasmith on April 26, 2005, 05:56:27 pm
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Do you have any suggestions for standard places to symlink stuff off of /home/zaurus in our 3000-detecting ipks?
The Opera ipk just moved the files to /hdd2/Applications, which may not be the best idea. How about /hdd2/zaurus, owned by zaurus and part of the qpe group?
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Mr. Smith - let me know if you've decided on an Opera version. The IPKs for both have to be cleaned up regardless.
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I would suggest a subdirectory under /hdd2/Applications for application data since ~/Applications is symlinked to this location and it seems a sensible place to reasonable quantities of user data needing a functional filesystem. That way we keep all user data in the same location. This may be useful if someone wants to write a script to prune the backups for transfer between ROM versions.
I actually really like what Euroclie has done with the 7.55 Opera. How are the bitmap artifact issues progressing Euroclie ?
- Andy
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 06:01:24 pm
I've been playing around with test cases for symlinking, etc (Damn you Zaurus for making me learn bash scripting!) I've got a much safer script in mind now (The current script never fails, no matter what happens, it'll happily let the IPK go through). I'll put together a test IPK for ncftp for demonstration purposes so you can let me know what you think.
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 07:38:50 pm
It has the new scripts in place that I was suggesting, starting with creating the /hdd2/Applications/3000 directory if necessary. It errors out if there's a problem creating the linkages, and is uninstall/reinstall friendly.
LMK what you think and I'll start work on setting up other packages (Opera, Apache, etc).
For amusement value I put an (unresized, 5 megapixel, 900kb) image of my Zaurus work area up on my site. My "accessories" now include a 40gb, battery powered HD and a cd-burner - it's getting kind of silly!
But I like it
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 09:21:39 pm
Edit: Oops. There's a typo in one of the scripts, and I'm having problems connecting to fix it. Don't download it quite yet.
Edit again: Fixed.
There is one major problem with 7.55. The "small screen" option is optimized for the 320x240 5x00 series, so it bunches everything up into a 240 pixel wide area on the left side of the screen. The v7.25 of Opera doesn't do this. Does anyone know if this can be fixed? If not, I strongly suggest the older version. We should be able to apply euroclie's icon updates to it.
Post by: euroclie on April 26, 2005, 09:43:02 pm
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I actually really like what Euroclie has done with the 7.55 Opera. How are the bitmap artifact issues progressing Euroclie ?Sorry, I haven't had time to polish the icons yet (another internet-less long flight, another timezone shift), but I'll have them ready within the next 12 hours, I promise!
I'll do some testing with transparency and see if I can "hide" the voice command icon that way (since we're not going to use it anyway if I remove the voice stuff from the package).
As for kahm's comment about small screen rendering, I haven't looked at it yet, it might be worth investigating the issue before dumping 7.55 alltogether, but if needed I can certainly live with 7.3 if it works better! I'll let you know if I find anything useful on this subject...
Now, I just have a few minutes before the breakfast buffet closes in the hotel restaurant, if you guys don't mind I'll go and eat something!
Post by: fastscirocco on April 26, 2005, 10:26:27 pm
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For amusement value I put an (unresized, 5 megapixel, 900kb) image of my Zaurus work area up on my site. My "accessories" now include a 40gb, battery powered HD and a cd-burner - it's getting kind of silly!
But I like it
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OK had to take a look and damn I love it!
So I hope you don't mind I've uploaded your pic to my photobucket account and am sharing it here in as a thumbnail, click to see a bigger pic.
[a href=\"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/chrisanjenn/z-work-area.jpg][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/chrisanjenn/th_z-work-area.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /][/url]
Oh and I think that's the most number of PDA's let alone Zaurus' I have seen in one pic! LOL IS that a Sony I see poking out? I'm guessing there are a C3000, C1000, C860 and a 5600?
What I would really love to see is some screen grabs of Cacko3K!
Loving it!
Chris
Post by: kahm on April 26, 2005, 11:14:44 pm
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OK had to take a look and damn I love it!
So I hope you don't mind I've uploaded your pic to my photobucket account and am sharing it here in as a thumbnail, click to see a bigger pic.
Go ahead
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Oh and I think that's the most number of PDA's let alone Zaurus' I have seen in one pic! LOL IS that a Sony I see poking out? I'm guessing there are a C3000, C1000, C860 and a 5600?
Well, if it's PDAs that you want to see, I've uploaded 2 more shots to the directory, both large files.
the PDA army (850kb) (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/pdaarmy.JPG)
This has, in no particular order, a C3k, C1k, C860, 5500, 5000D, 2xIpaq 3635, Siemens FX56 (Aka HTC Wallaby), Palm Vx, Sony TJ35, and a PSP.
The Mobile Corps (530kb) (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/themobilecorps.JPG)
I can't find my digital shot of this pic, and my scanner is MIA, so this is a pic of the photo I took. It includes most of the above PDAs (save the CxKs and PSP, which I didn't have at the time, but including my Gameboy advance SP, my Wacom Intuos3 tablet, and a bunch of PCMCIA cards), and from left to right, in increasing order of size:
C860, Toshiba Libretto 50m, Libretto 110ct, Panasonic Toughbook M34, IBM Thinkpad 390x, Thinkpad a21p.
Missing from both shots is a Nokia 3650 (Symbian 60) cellphone.
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What I would really love to see is some screen grabs of Cacko3K!
Loving it!
Chris
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Well, Cacko3k looks basically 100% the same as Cacko 1.22.
[a href=\"http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/scrn001.jpg]Cacko3k 1[/url]
Cacko3k 2 (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/scrn002.jpg)
Cacko3k 3 (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/scrn003.jpg)
A little more on topic, I'm working on 3k-ing Apache right now.
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 01:59:21 am
1) Cacko 1.22 has bash v3.0. Cacko3k and the Sharp rom have bash v2.05. Among other things, v2.05 doesn't allow stdout redirection in a script (used to eliminate output from the individual commands. The two syntax I've seen tried for this are <command> &> /dev/null, and <command> 2> /dev/null. Hmm. Is that stdout or stderr redirection? I can't remember... In either case, any command that tries to make use of this fails. ) This causes the postinst script for apache to miss a number of commands and fail. If I elimitnate the redirection ( 2> /dev/null), it seems to work. I noticed this when writing my own bash preinst scripts, but didn't think much of it.
Edit: Nope. Scratch that. /bin/sh is linked to ash on the Z's. The redirection works in bash. The script worked under ash on cacko 1.22, but not under ash on cacko3k. Ash on both systems is the same size, built 2 years apart. I haven't found an easy way to get it to spit out version info. My head hurts.
2) Cacko 1.22 has tinylogin 1.2. Cacko3k and the Sharp rom have tinylogin 1.4. The "addgroup" functionality in 1.4 seems to have a bug wherein you must manually specify the GID. (addgroup -g <number> <groupname>). The proper functionality, and how it works on Cacko 1.22, is to use the next available GID if none is specified. This also breaks the Apache install script on Cacko3k.
Annoyingly enough, both of these bugs are present in the 1000 v1.01jp Sharp ROM, which will make the apache from the Cacko feed un-installable on the default roms. No wonder people have been having trouble with the damn things.
Edit: It's even worse, actually. Using addgroup -g <gid> <groupname>, which is the correct syntax according to the tinylogin homepage (http://tinylogin.busybox.net/TinyLogin.html) results in an incorrect group entry of <gid>:x:<gid>:<goupname> instead of <groupname>:x:<gid>:
Doing addgroup -g <groupname> works, though. It acts like addgroup <groupname> is supposed to. Notably addgroup -g <groupname> fails on Cacko 1.22.
Aaaaargh.
Now the $1,000,000 question. Do I work around it? If I do and we don't fix the bug, then I can make an IPK that will install on all clamshells. However, people who don't know about the bug will make ipks that don't work.
If we fix the bug then our ipkgs will install on Cxx0's, and Cacko on the 1k/3k, but not the default Sharp rom for 1k/3k. People who don't know about the bug will make ipks that work on Cacko, but not the Sharp rom for the 1k/3k.
You know what? If I didn't own three of these things, and run linux on my desktop, I'd never be able to figure what the heck is going on. I actually wish I had a 4th clamshell so I could compare to Sharp 1.4jp as well...
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 04:00:34 am
The downside is that the script will never error out if something truly unexpected does happen . The commands in there aren't that critical, though.
This really shouldn't be this hard, you know.
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 04:58:33 am
It should be pretty easy to sync the versions of these utilities with the 1.22 versions, that's not a problem. - We might however get Sharp packages that assume some particular type of behaviour from these utils so I would be inclined to stick with the 3K versions at the moment.
Basically I have built an overlaying system that unpacks a Sharp ROM, removes all the bits that we don't want and then patches in the additions from a tarball. This script handles the unpacking of the initrd, home structure, hdd1 and hdd2 - it then repacks everything recreating the initrd etc. So any such modification doesn't take much time to apply to the ROM. I'm calling your attention to this not just for the sake of adding these patches but to also say that creation of a Japanese enabled ROM (I think that you mentioned this) will be a natural progression when we have stabilised the 3K English ROM - we simply copy the structure and make some slight modifications and then run the ROM build process - leaving in all the Japanese stuff, input methods and locale bits.
As you point out though. If you want a 3K Sharp ROM friendly IPK though I don't see any other option than to check the bash version and work accordingly... strictly I don't see a necessity to redirect stderr or stdout during preinst/postinst as installation through the Add/Remove tool isn't going to display these messages anyway. - unless you need to output these results to something that you can act upon (temporary file).
BTW: How did you get QKconsole to appear in a floating window in the screenshot? I didn't know it supported that feature.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 05:48:53 am
If you want to keep /dev/sg0...15 across reboots recreate them in /home/dev.. the startup scripts populate the real /dev structure from this location.
+ I have built, tested and will include the following tools.
bind-utils 9.3.1 (nslookup, host, dig, nsupdate) (man that was a poor package to cross compile!)
whois 4.7.1
traceroute 1.4a12
Regards,
Andy
Post by: albertr on April 27, 2005, 08:40:43 am
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kahm,
If you want to keep /dev/sg0...15 across reboots recreate them in /home/dev.. the startup scripts populate the real /dev structure from this location.
+ I have built, tested and will include the following tools.
bind-utils 9.3.1 (nslookup, host, dig, nsupdate) (man that was a poor package to cross compile!)
whois 4.7.1
traceroute 1.4a12
Regards,
Andy
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Does anyone have Cack's ROM 1.22 filesystems as a tarball?
-albertr
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 08:44:22 am
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Does anyone have Cack's ROM 1.22 filesystems as a tarball?
-albertr
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Please clarify Albert... is this appropriate to this thread or the 3K at all ?
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 08:59:07 am
For Beta1 - REAL soon.
nslookup (real version, not busybox), dig, whois and traceroute to be added. - Tested - Done
Replace unzip (link) with app. - Tested - Done
Remove the Shift toggle from keyhelper.xml - Tested - Done
addressbook fixed by using the addressbook.so from Cacko 1.22 + liben.so.1.1.0 from Cacko 1.22 (linked to so.1.1, so.1 and so) - Tested - Done
voice recorder to be added from 860 build. - Tested - Done
Media Player is screwed... missed pic144 directory... simple fix. - Tested - Done
Memory Monitor applet.. swapfile bits. - fixed in patch - just include. - Tested - Done
Remove samba from /etc/rc.d/init.d otherwise inetd dies when you sync. - Tested - Done
For cefrnr build
On critical path for cefrnr....
Possibly a second Beta?
Battery/CPU Frequency Application. - I'm now looking at this.
Update the installer - make it zero and initialise the user partitions.
Persue the Qtopia crash (when I can make it happen.... kahm??)
Opera to be added when we come to a decision over 7.25/7.55 use.
More testing folks!
cefrnr merge back with Maslovsky's SL-C1000 ROM based stuff to produce official Cacko 3K ROM
On critical path for official Cacko 3K - Maslovsky producing SL-C1000 ROM
BTW: I'm assuming that nobody REALLY wants to burn DVDs across a USB 1.1 link so I made a snap decision not to build the dvd-tools package too.
- Andy
Post by: albertr on April 27, 2005, 09:24:19 am
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Does anyone have Cack's ROM 1.22 filesystems as a tarball?
-albertr
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Please clarify Albert... is this appropriate to this thread or the 3K at all ?
- Andy
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Oops, sorry, wrong thread...
-albertr
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 10:37:53 am
[update]The http-basic-auth on https seems to be an issue for 7.25 too[/update]
The issues with the black dots on the Bookmarks and Help icons can be shortcut by simply removing those XPMs. Opera then uses the PNG files and they don't show the dots.
In fact it seems you can remove almost all the XPMs except for one which controls the look of the blank square over on the right of the NAV bar.... looks distinctly splodgy without the xpms in the directory (was too lazy to find out which one).
I think I'm inclined to leave Opera off the list until we have really settled this.
Oh BTW: haven't heard a peep about Bluez... did anyone try it? It works for me without any hitches it would be nice to know that at least one other person has tested.
Cheers,
Andy
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 12:01:41 pm
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kahm,
It should be pretty easy to sync the versions of these utilities with the 1.22 versions, that's not a problem. - We might however get Sharp packages that assume some particular type of behaviour from these utils so I would be inclined to stick with the 3K versions at the moment.
I more or less agree. I'm just there to point out that it is breaking compatibility with existing ipkgs. There is *no* way anyone's successfully installed this Apache package on a 3k without doing it by hand.
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As you point out though. If you want a 3K Sharp ROM friendly IPK though I don't see any other option than to check the bash version and work accordingly... strictly I don't see a necessity to redirect stderr or stdout during preinst/postinst as installation through the Add/Remove tool isn't going to display these messages anyway. - unless you need to output these results to something that you can act upon (temporary file).
It may only be the stderr redirection. Regardless, it is just a visual thing. I haven't dug into many ipks to see how prevalent it is. It appears to be a very common thing among experienced bash coders - it's one of the first things they show you in the coding manual. I just hope we don't end up having to rebuild 1/3 of the ipkgs out there to work.
The thing about addgroup is more annoying and geniunely broken. I can't see a lot of programs using it though.
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BTW: How did you get QKconsole to appear in a floating window in the screenshot? I didn't know it supported that feature.
Right click on the title bar of an app with a mouse - there are a whole bunch of normally inaccessible options.
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 12:16:08 pm
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I think I'm inclined to leave Opera off the list until we have really settled this.
With an easy to install ipkg, it might be best to leave Opera for the feed for the time being. We'll have time to iron out the best version of the two if we aren't worrying about direct inclusion in the rom.
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Oh BTW: haven't heard a peep about Bluez... did anyone try it? It works for me without any hitches it would be nice to know that at least one other person has tested.
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I've got a couple of socket revE cards, but I haven't got them doing anything useful under 1.22 yet, never mind tried them on the 3000.
Post by: steliosx on April 27, 2005, 12:41:39 pm
would be so, so perfect if it worked!
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 12:44:17 pm
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QuoteBTW: How did you get QKconsole to appear in a floating window in the screenshot? I didn't know it supported that feature.Right click on the title bar of an app with a mouse - there are a whole bunch of normally inaccessible options.
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I like that!
(I'm wondering now if I could produce an applet to send a right click with the Stylus...hmmm)
Anyway. slc3kb1 is now up on the site for general download - you can get it from [a href=\"http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000]http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000[/url]
Thanks again guys.
Let the fun begin.
- Andy
Post by: steliosx on April 27, 2005, 12:52:00 pm
gonna get it and provide some input guys. thanks again!
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 01:22:25 pm
Release notes of the Cacko SL-C3000 pre-release Beta 1 ROM
Specifications
locale.conf switchover - default En, London/Europe
Hancomword updated to 1.6 - stock SL-C3000 on 1.11JP ROM was v1.0
Updated Cacko Card monitor. Implements SL-C3000 checking and hides HDD + Implements USB storage eject. - Automount of USB storage also included* (see note)
sudo
suspend/resume script architecture
Bluez Scripts from Cacko ROM
Bluez Dialup and PAN applets from Cacko ROM
OpenSSH
SAMBA configured to start from inetd
Cacko Antialias Fonts
Cyrillic Input method
Input Helper - Should autodetect a mouse connected to USB
Music Player 2 from Sharp
Escape to shell prior to Qtopia launch (hit / during 5 second countdown)
Tetsu Special Kernel 17h including all modules (Bluetooth and iptables etc)
Various useful command additions (file, strings, ar, nm, bzip2, zip and many more)
fdisk 2.12a
Voice Recorder from 860
cdr-tools package including mkisofs, cdrecord etc... yep it really works !
traceroute 1.4a12
whois 4.7.1
Bind utils from BIND 9.3.1 (host, dig, nslookup, nsupdate)
eject (USE IT if manually handling USB storage)
squashfs module and mksquashfs utility (2.1r2)
Removal of the Japanese support** (see note)
ICONS
About the installation process...
This is important!
This ROM will erase ALL of your personal data and ALL of the Sharp ROM.
Make sure you have whatever backup you need to ensure correct recovery - this is your responsibility.. suggest that you have a copy of the Sharp 1.11JP ROM install, a NAND flash image of the current ROM state and a user backup... assuming that you are on Sharp 1.11JP ROM then you should be able to completely recover by..
i. NAND flash restore.
ii. Sharp Upgrade.
iii. Device zero process (option 3, then 1 from the OK menu).
iv. Restore user backup.
Actually I don't do anything with the flash sizes on this release so the NAND flash is probably not needed but advised for completeness. The Sharp Upgrade should restore as closely as possible the basic shipped state.
To install copy all files to a CF or SD card, insert into the Zaurus and follow these steps.
1. Remove power and battery.
2. Reconnect power and battery and ensure the battery door switch is in the ON position (closed).
3. Hold down the OK button and power on.
4. Select option 4 from the Japanese menu then select either SD or CF from the next menu. You will then be prompted to confirm - hit Y.
The ROM will then install then you MUST do the following....
As soon as the install has completed re-enter the OK menu and select option 3, then 1. This will erase the user portion of the flash and hdd and extract the rest of the ROM. This will be encorporated into the user install process later.
Known issues/omissions from the Cacko ROM.
Opera - May add it in, don't like it but it's a finicky install on the 3000. may add it for ease of use by the user.
KEYSWITCHER script into inittab ! ? - This IS a beta ROM. KeyHelper/Cyrillic Input works whilst in Qtopia.
Battery/CPU Frequency Application - Probably wait until Anton has his 3000, don't like overclocking anyway.
The kernel is quite 'chatty' at startup particularly if you have an SD card in the slot. Ignore SD messages and ignore jffs2 messages - that's particularly chatty and what looks serious almost certainly isn't even an issue.
The application buttons are NOT preconfigured. Go to the settings tab and select your preferences. This is a good old 'can't be bothered to fix it' that also appears in the standard Cacko ROM.
Notes
* For USB storage to work your device must be partitioned and the automounter will use /dev/sda1. Many USB pen drives do NOT come pre-partitioned. Simply create a partition table with fdisk and format these devices and everything should be fine. I've done some testing and partitioning a pen drive like this retains Windows compatibility.
** Japanese support has been removed, this includes the CRIM, translator and dictionary applications and libraries. At this stage we are working on the best way of creating a non-japanese ROM but could add those bits back in easily later with the new build structure. There's a good reason to remove them and that is the SL-C3000 Sharp ROM hooks the libCRL and other translation libraries at various points - without the libraries installed the unit functions perfectly whilst set to an EN locale. With the libraries installed and set to EN then several mojibake artifacts remain (squares replacing characters in entire text blocks - notably WLAN config, Tab Settings, File Finder - some of these disappear if you preload the addressbook, some don't). So for now, for non JP use I have removed them. I anticipate that we will modify the script that generates the ROM later to skip their removal and simply revert the unit back to Japanese.
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 01:56:52 pm
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I like that!
(I'm wondering now if I could produce an applet to send a right click with the Stylus...hmmm)
- Andy
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Someone on the 6000 board a while back had said that they had found it with keyhelper and not a mouse.
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 02:14:33 pm
cdr-tools package including mkisofs, cdrecord etc.
traceroute 1.4a12
whois 4.7.1
Bind utils from BIND 9.3.1 (host, dig, nslookup, nsupdate)
Post by: steliosx on April 27, 2005, 02:22:35 pm
Post by: iamasmith on April 27, 2005, 02:35:33 pm
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sorry, forgot to ask, will this rom work on C1000 ? or its C3000-only?
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Sorry, it probably almost contains all the correct binaries for a C1000 but it's layout is for a Hard Disk install.
Post by: steliosx on April 27, 2005, 02:37:11 pm
thanks and please keep up the great work!
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 02:40:44 pm
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kahm! just a quick question since in one of these photos, namely http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/pdaarmy.JPG (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/pdaarmy.JPG) , I managed to find a D-Link DBT-120 USB Bluetooth Adapter ! I own one and im really satisfied with it, any chance you can check whether its working under cacko3k ?
would be so, so perfect if it worked!
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Nope. I didn't have an BT cards when I got the 3k, so the D-link was one of the first things I looked at. It doesn't work, and I seem to recall that it did something funny the the whole USB system when I tried.
I'll be looking into whether it can be made to work a little later. I've got a lot on my plate at the moment...
Post by: steliosx on April 27, 2005, 02:57:31 pm
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Quotekahm! just a quick question since in one of these photos, namely http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/pdaarmy.JPG (http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/pdaarmy.JPG) , I managed to find a D-Link DBT-120 USB Bluetooth Adapter ! I own one and im really satisfied with it, any chance you can check whether its working under cacko3k ?
would be so, so perfect if it worked!
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Nope. I didn't have an BT cards when I got the 3k, so the D-link was one of the first things I looked at. It doesn't work, and I seem to recall that it did something funny the the whole USB system when I tried.
I'll be looking into whether it can be made to work a little later. I've got a lot on my plate at the moment...
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k, good luck with all the things you have on your plate and please let us know if you find out something this useful!
Post by: fastscirocco on April 27, 2005, 03:32:20 pm
Alot happened in here over the last 24 hours!
OK time to download! :-)
Thanks for all the hard work!
Chris
Post by: euroclie on April 27, 2005, 04:19:46 pm
[img]http://probbe.nerim.net/zaurus/pics/Cimg5599xs.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /] (http://probbe.nerim.net/zaurus/pics/Cimg5599s.jpg)
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 05:55:28 pm
It's done! And better yet, it works on Sharp rom and Cacko. I haven't tested it specficially on 1.22, but it should work there as well.
/me runs to a corner and cries.
For the record, www is in /hdd2/www, instead of /hdd2/Applications/3000. Trying to put it under applications makes it a nightmare for apache's permissions. I could only get it to allow me to view webpages when the server was running under zaurus, which is a big security no-no. Hence, it goes in /hdd2.
Here's another omission, Iamasmith, although I haven't loaded beta1 yet. The stock rom and cacko 1.22 both include some extra directories in the path that you're missing, such as /home/QtPalmtop/bin/
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 09:12:48 pm
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 09:48:22 pm
1) The ipkg comes up with a message about seeming to depend on other packages. It doesn't, but I'm not sure how to get rid of the message.
2) You get a "failed" message when you first start the mysql server, but it starts anyway. You have to kill the server (killall mysqld), then you can start and stop it with the normal mysqlstart and mysqlstop scripts normally. I don't know why yet.
I'm going to put it aside for a little while. If someone's desperate, speak up, and I'll put it online for you, but otherwise I'm going to fix it a little later.
Post by: kahm on April 27, 2005, 11:37:18 pm
1) Clear the Z, throught the Okay menu 3,1
2) On boot go through the calibration.
3) I cancelled the personal info boxes, but I doubt that affects it.
4) I put in a CF card, navigated to it, and clicked on an ipk to install. (In this case the qtopia memory applet)
5) After it installs, I correctly eject the CF card.
6) Go to the settings tab, click on network, click on add.
7) I specified my SSID, used 128bit encryption, and left the other settings alone.
8) Insert CF Network card.
9) Click on connect.
10) Boom! Back to console countdown.
I tried it 4 or 5 times. It didn't happen when I tried installing opera off of the SD card, but every time installing the memory applet off of CF. I'm not sure if it is the program being installed, or something to do with the CF, etc. (I don't think it occurs after just inserting then ejecting the CF flash card - I had to install the applet first.)
But in any case, that 10 steps does it for me every time.
Post by: sriley on April 28, 2005, 12:59:27 pm
Andy (and everyone else working on this), excellent work! Thanks!
Post by: iamasmith on April 28, 2005, 02:33:08 pm
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I've duplicated that qtopia crash on alpha1.
1) Clear the Z, throught the Okay menu 3,1
2) On boot go through the calibration.
3) I cancelled the personal info boxes, but I doubt that affects it.
4) I put in a CF card, navigated to it, and clicked on an ipk to install. (In this case the qtopia memory applet)
5) After it installs, I correctly eject the CF card.
6) Go to the settings tab, click on network, click on add.
7) I specified my SSID, used 128bit encryption, and left the other settings alone.
8) Insert CF Network card.
9) Click on connect.
10) Boom! Back to console countdown.
I tried it 4 or 5 times. It didn't happen when I tried installing opera off of the SD card, but every time installing the memory applet off of CF. I'm not sure if it is the program being installed, or something to do with the CF, etc. (I don't think it occurs after just inserting then ejecting the CF flash card - I had to install the applet first.)
But in any case, that 10 steps does it for me every time.
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I don't suppose that you have experienced this at all with Beta1 yet ?
I follow pretty much the same process, the only applet that I installed though was battery plus and I didn't experience any of the problems.... I'm wondering if it is related specifically to the memory applet install... (now not needed because part of the ROM)..
BTW: NICE work on the apache-php IPK, I think that's superb work and actually I think the /hdd2/www location is a far better location for this particular type of data since it's a daemon rather than related to user data for the Zaurus user.
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 28, 2005, 06:16:04 pm
I have been working on prototype stuff for so long now that I forgot how useful it was to get my QwikiWiki available on my Zaurus. I just pushed the tarball back onto the Zaurus and it works SO well.
Some modifications that I would suggest are...
1. Add a webauthor user using UID 501 and GID 501 (matching the group).
2. Change /hdd2/www/conf/httpd.conf and edit the user nobody group nobody lines to user webauthor group webauthor.
3. Set ownership over htdocs to webauthor:webauthor
If you make these changes then the proper permission set is in place for most apps including QwikiWiki.
Without the update of httpd.conf (probably just for GID) you can't display images from subdirectories in htdocs.
Having apache-php again reminds me why I bought the 3K in the first place, thanks again kahm.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: gerenb on April 28, 2005, 07:48:31 pm
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QuoteI think I'm inclined to leave Opera off the list until we have really settled this.
With an easy to install ipkg, it might be best to leave Opera for the feed for the time being. We'll have time to iron out the best version of the two if we aren't worrying about direct inclusion in the rom.QuoteOh BTW: haven't heard a peep about Bluez... did anyone try it? It works for me without any hitches it would be nice to know that at least one other person has tested.
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I've got a couple of socket revE cards, but I haven't got them doing anything useful under 1.22 yet, never mind tried them on the 3000.
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When I tried the Tetsu Special Kernel on Sharp Rom 1.11JP, it didn't work with my Socket Bluetooth CF rev. H. It may be necessary to compile an enhanced kernel that doesn't break bluetooth compatibility. Socket Bluetooth compatibility is important for Cacko3K (at least for me).
Post by: iamasmith on April 29, 2005, 04:23:03 am
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...When I tried the Tetsu Special Kernel on Sharp Rom 1.11JP, it didn't work with my Socket Bluetooth CF rev. H. It may be necessary to compile an enhanced kernel that doesn't break bluetooth compatibility. Socket Bluetooth compatibility is important for Cacko3K (at least for me).
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Could you possibly give me some details of exactly what happened when you tried to test Bluez with the Tetsu kernel?
Did you use someone elses Bluez package with that Kernel? Did you install the IPK of Kernel modules that comes with that Kernel?
All this makes a difference and the first step is letting us know if you can get your socket card working with the BETA1 ROM. The BETA1 rom has all the Bluez kernel modules from the accompanying IPK that tetsu produced built in and handles loading and unloading of the Bluez stuff through hotplug/pcmcia rather than at system startup. - quite different from traditional Bluez IPKs knocking around.
- Andy
Post by: dadipaq on April 29, 2005, 06:03:33 am
IPKG say something wrong....
anyone know howto install it ?
thanks and thanks for this wonderful rom
sorry for my bad english
Post by: iamasmith on April 29, 2005, 07:08:58 am
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I got a problem when I try to install gaim...
IPKG say something wrong....
anyone know howto install it ?
thanks and thanks for this wonderful rom
sorry for my bad english
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gaim is notoriously fiddly.. here's exactly what you need to do.
1. Get a WLAN or other internet connection going from the Z.
2. Start Add/Remove programs
3. Select Install packages via networks
4. Tap the Switch button and create a new feed named gaim using the URL [a href=\"http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release]http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release[/url]
When you hit OK, if you don't see the packages go back, select the gaim entry (now in the Servers list) and hit OK again.
5. Install in this order..
libopie1
qpe-gaim
This will pull all the dependencies from the feed...
6. Install the libgaim-procotols that you need.
7. Close the installer.
8. DO NOT RUN YET. Start konsole and do the following..
mkdir Applications/.gaim
ln -s Applications/.gaim .gaim
9. Exit konsole, find the icon and using the stylus hold mechanism remove the 'Display with magnified screen option'.
Gaim should now run.
Other suggestions are...
a. Move to Network Tab using Tab settings.
b. Turn off Large Icons in preferences since the two lines of text used alongside the large icons look a bit ugly on the 3K.
c. Drop the feed if you don't need it any more.
Hope this helps,
- Andy
Post by: dadipaq on April 29, 2005, 07:39:43 am
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QuoteI got a problem when I try to install gaim...
IPKG say something wrong....
anyone know howto install it ?
thanks and thanks for this wonderful rom
sorry for my bad english
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gaim is notoriously fiddly.. here's exactly what you need to do.
1. Get a WLAN or other internet connection going from the Z.
2. Start Add/Remove programs
3. Select Install packages via networks
4. Tap the Switch button and create a new feed named gaim using the URL [a href=\"http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release]http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release[/url]
When you hit OK, if you don't see the packages go back, select the gaim entry (now in the Servers list) and hit OK again.
5. Install in this order..
libopie1
qpe-gaim
This will pull all the dependencies from the feed...
6. Install the libgaim-procotols that you need.
7. Close the installer.
8. DO NOT RUN YET. Start konsole and do the following..
mkdir Applications/.gaim
ln -s Applications/.gaim .gaim
9. Exit konsole, find the icon and using the stylus hold mechanism remove the 'Display with magnified screen option'.
Gaim should now run.
Other suggestions are...
a. Move to Network Tab using Tab settings.
b. Turn off Large Icons in preferences since the two lines of text used alongside the large icons look a bit ugly on the 3K.
c. Drop the feed if you don't need it any more.
Hope this helps,
- Andy
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thank you !! now, my zaurus is realy used by me !!
Post by: iamasmith on April 29, 2005, 11:10:37 am
http://atty.jp/?Zaurus%2Fmplayer#content_1_2 (http://atty.jp/?Zaurus%2Fmplayer#content_1_2)
With bvdd 0.3.1 and mplayer 1.1.2 I can now run bvdd for QVGA movies simply by passing the arguments -vm -fs and these options work from Kino2.
Tested with the iwmmxt version of mplayer on Cacko 1.23 beta1 for SL-C3000.
The only glitch is that mplayer doesn't preserve the screen and whilst the main portion of the screen repaints properly when you quit you will need to go into something else fullscreen to get the Status bar to repaint. (ScummVM is good, or Konsole ->switch to full screen then back).
- Andy
Post by: gerenb on April 29, 2005, 11:22:29 am
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Quote...When I tried the Tetsu Special Kernel on Sharp Rom 1.11JP, it didn't work with my Socket Bluetooth CF rev. H. It may be necessary to compile an enhanced kernel that doesn't break bluetooth compatibility. Socket Bluetooth compatibility is important for Cacko3K (at least for me). Â
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Could you possibly give me some details of exactly what happened when you tried to test Bluez with the Tetsu kernel?
Did you use someone elses Bluez package with that Kernel? Did you install the IPK of Kernel modules that comes with that Kernel?
All this makes a difference and the first step is letting us know if you can get your socket card working with the BETA1 ROM. The BETA1 rom has all the Bluez kernel modules from the accompanying IPK that tetsu produced built in and handles loading and unloading of the Bluez stuff through hotplug/pcmcia rather than at system startup. - quite different from traditional Bluez IPKs knocking around.
- Andy
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I'll install BETA1 this weekend and let you know.
Thanks!
Post by: kahm on April 29, 2005, 01:35:15 pm
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Right, got to say this again... THANKS kahm for getting that apache-php package and Opera working.
I have been working on prototype stuff for so long now that I forgot how useful it was to get my QwikiWiki available on my Zaurus. I just pushed the tarball back onto the Zaurus and it works SO well.
You're welcome Glad to see it works for someone.
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Some modifications that I would suggest are...
1. Add a webauthor user using UID 501 and GID 501 (matching the group).
2. Change /hdd2/www/conf/httpd.conf and edit the user nobody group nobody lines to user webauthor group webauthor.
3. Set ownership over htdocs to webauthor:webauthor
If you make these changes then the proper permission set is in place for most apps including QwikiWiki.
Without the update of httpd.conf (probably just for GID) you can't display images from subdirectories in htdocs.
I'll take a look at it. It will take a couple of days before I have time. I'm not too familiar with Apache security so I'm not sure of the implications of changing the username for it.
As for seeing the Qtopia crash on beta1 - I haven't yet. I only installed it yesterday, though.
Post by: gerenb on April 29, 2005, 10:54:42 pm
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Quote...When I tried the Tetsu Special Kernel on Sharp Rom 1.11JP, it didn't work with my Socket Bluetooth CF rev. H. It may be necessary to compile an enhanced kernel that doesn't break bluetooth compatibility. Socket Bluetooth compatibility is important for Cacko3K (at least for me). Â
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Could you possibly give me some details of exactly what happened when you tried to test Bluez with the Tetsu kernel?
Did you use someone elses Bluez package with that Kernel? Did you install the IPK of Kernel modules that comes with that Kernel?
All this makes a difference and the first step is letting us know if you can get your socket card working with the BETA1 ROM. The BETA1 rom has all the Bluez kernel modules from the accompanying IPK that tetsu produced built in and handles loading and unloading of the Bluez stuff through hotplug/pcmcia rather than at system startup. - quite different from traditional Bluez IPKs knocking around.
- Andy
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I've loaded BETA1 and my Socket rev. H card works! I only have one problem - the plug/globe only appears after entering the network applet. It doesn't appear upon insertion of the card.
Post by: perzianpride on April 29, 2005, 11:07:20 pm
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QuoteI got a problem when I try to install gaim...
IPKG say something wrong....
anyone know howto install it ?
thanks and thanks for this wonderful rom
sorry for my bad english
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gaim is notoriously fiddly.. here's exactly what you need to do.
1. Get a WLAN or other internet connection going from the Z.
2. Start Add/Remove programs
3. Select Install packages via networks
4. Tap the Switch button and create a new feed named gaim using the URL [a href=\"http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release]http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release[/url]
When you hit OK, if you don't see the packages go back, select the gaim entry (now in the Servers list) and hit OK again.
5. Install in this order..
libopie1
qpe-gaim
This will pull all the dependencies from the feed...
6. Install the libgaim-procotols that you need.
7. Close the installer.
8. DO NOT RUN YET. Start konsole and do the following..
mkdir Applications/.gaim
ln -s Applications/.gaim .gaim
9. Exit konsole, find the icon and using the stylus hold mechanism remove the 'Display with magnified screen option'.
Gaim should now run.
Other suggestions are...
a. Move to Network Tab using Tab settings.
b. Turn off Large Icons in preferences since the two lines of text used alongside the large icons look a bit ugly on the 3K.
c. Drop the feed if you don't need it any more.
Hope this helps,
- Andy
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Everything works fine when I follow your directions, but whenever I try to receive a message from somebody using the oscar protocol I get a response of
(There was an error receiving this message)
Have you come across this? How can this be fixed?
Post by: iamasmith on April 30, 2005, 02:48:14 am
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....
Everything works fine when I follow your directions, but whenever I try to receive a message from somebody using the oscar protocol I get a response of
(There was an error receiving this message)
Have you come across this? How can this be fixed?
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Sorry haven't seen that error (but I don't use OSCAR). Could we try to keep this thread for the 3K ROM please? rather than non ROM specific questions. Thanks, Andy
Post by: iamasmith on April 30, 2005, 03:01:00 am
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....
I've loaded BETA1 and my Socket rev. H card works! I only have one problem - the plug/globe only appears after entering the network applet. It doesn't appear upon insertion of the card.
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You have a Bluetooth dialup connection created? Card insertion should be bringin up those symbols as that's generic stuff - the ROM by this stage should already have recognised it as a Bluetooth card.
Does the card appear in the Card Manager applet ?
Could you also check the following for me please ?
lsmod before going into the Network Applet
lsmod after going into the Network Applet (don't think it will be different but may be).
cardctl status
cardctl ident
BTW: If you do stumble across something in the meantime, however trivial it seems, that makes the card work then please post to this thread - I would like to wrap any such changes in the next release. Unfortunately I don't have one of these cards to test with, all I have is an LSE0039 card - which, as you can guess works beautifully.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: ArchiMark on April 30, 2005, 09:24:01 pm
Installed Beta1 earlier today and so far it's GREAT!
Install went smooth on first try. All my data and apps were there after it rebooted!!
The boot splash screen is nice too!
Only one weird thing so far is that when I clicked the 'On/Off' button on the front edge of the C3000 it won't turn off!
Everything else so far seems to work well...
SD/CF card work fine and so do my Socket ethernet card and Ambicom WiFi card....
Again, THANKS for doing this Andy!!!
Mark
Very Happy Z Owner.....
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 02:03:54 am
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Install went smooth on first try. All my data and apps were there after it rebooted!!Did you perform the second reboot, enter the system menu and select option 3 then 1 as mentioned in the ReadMe?
I had the same pleasant surprise when I installed the alpha ROM, and only a few minutes later did I remember that second stage of the install that wipes the user data and reformats the partitions, installing the Cacko stuff. All worked fine during that few minutes though, which might indeed be misleading and lead you to omit the end of the install procedure...
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 04:49:54 am
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QuoteInstall went smooth on first try. All my data and apps were there after it rebooted!!Did you perform the second reboot, enter the system menu and select option 3 then 1 as mentioned in the ReadMe?
I had the same pleasant surprise when I installed the alpha ROM, and only a few minutes later did I remember that second stage of the install that wipes the user data and reformats the partitions, installing the Cacko stuff. All worked fine during that few minutes though, which might indeed be misleading and lead you to omit the end of the install procedure...
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ArchiMark, PLEASE, read the readme file. As Euroclie points out this is REALLY important. If you didn't do that then you are only running about 30% of the ROM because most of the good stuff relies upon the user partitions being setup and that only happens when you erase the unit.
Post by: Jondalar on May 01, 2005, 05:18:26 am
I installed the ROM to my C3000 this morning and I really do like the way it looks. To do more with it I would like to use my NetGear WiFi card. Running a Z5600 and the orinigal ROM on my C3000 it worked fine. The Cracko rom also recognized the card and calls it a ZCom XI300 - which is the same basically.
The only that does not work, is running WEP 128bit hex with a shared key. Does this work for anyone else? I hate opening my encryption here at home ... but without WLAN/WiFi the whole thing doesn't make any sense to me
I would like to see some logs but where would they be stored?
Also, I run an AMD64 with kernel 2.6.12-rc3 and would like to connect to the Z via USB-Net ... is there anyone who made that working? Under W2K everything works fine, but who wants W$
Thanks for any help and, IAMASMITH and the rest - keep the good work up!!! This ROM will be way much better than the Sharp original and make the Z even more interesting!!!
Cheers
J*
edit
By the way, running the WiFi without any encryption doesn't change the situation ...
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 05:42:59 am
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Hi all,
I installed the ROM to my C3000 this morning and I really do like the way it looks. To do more with it I would like to use my NetGear WiFi card. Running a Z5600 and the orinigal ROM on my C3000 it worked fine. The Cracko rom also recognized the card and calls it a ZCom XI300 - which is the same basically.
The only that does not work, is running WEP 128bit hex with a shared key. Does this work for anyone else? I hate opening my encryption here at home ... but without WLAN/WiFi the whole thing doesn't make any sense to me
Yes, this works for me, but I'm using a differen AP and card. (DLink DI-624 and Mercury NL-2511CF [prism2 not prism3 version]) card. BTW: Your PSK is initially for auth, there's still encryption on Open System.
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I would like to see some logs but where would they be stored?
The logs aren't actually stored, however, check the kernel ring buffer for a lot of useful information (dmesg)
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Also, I run an AMD64 with kernel 2.6.12-rc3 and would like to connect to the Z via USB-Net ... is there anyone who made that working? Under W2K everything works fine, but who wants W$
I think this should work fine, however, I have to say that I have only connected my Z by USB once to check that USB sync and storage worked in the ROM - that was under Windows. Everything else I do over WIFI (Sync with Outlook on a VMWare session over WIFI). If you hare having problems then check the kernel ring buffer on your host when you plug the Z in. Make sure that the Z is configured for network PC Link using IP.
Post by: ArchiMark on May 01, 2005, 09:55:09 am
Must have been too excited seeing that colorful new splash screen!!...
Meanwhile, any suggestions about the 'On/Off' button not working now??
Thanks!
Mark
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Did you perform the second reboot, enter the system menu and select option 3 then 1 as mentioned in the ReadMe?
I had the same pleasant surprise when I installed the alpha ROM, and only a few minutes later did I remember that second stage of the install that wipes the user data and reformats the partitions, installing the Cacko stuff. All worked fine during that few minutes though, which might indeed be misleading and lead you to omit the end of the install procedure...
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Post by: Da_Blitz on May 01, 2005, 10:34:05 am
edit: where is the documents folder now, cant seem to find it
Post by: ArchiMark on May 01, 2005, 10:40:34 am
OK, did that and now fully installed and working!
'On/Off' switch is even working now!!
All is good, except for having to get all my data/apps back again.....
Thanks,
Mark
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ArchiMark, PLEASE, read the readme file. As Euroclie points out this is REALLY important. If you didn't do that then you are only running about 30% of the ROM because most of the good stuff relies upon the user partitions being setup and that only happens when you erase the unit.
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 11:31:32 am
Today when I inserted the GSM/GPRS CF card (EagleTec GSM/GPRS CF+), I simply got a wild and instantaneous reboot, with a 5 second countdown that looped again and again. I had to press the reset switch to get out of it (didn't read the doc before, so I couldn't find a way out of that countdown). Later attempts showed a bit more succes as I was able to see a brief "New card: serial or modem" message box from the card monitor applet.
Trying to launch the Network application doesn't work (the application never displays anything, either it is stuck waiting for something that doesn't happen or it dies before displaying anything), and tapping the applet list applet icon caused another partial reboot (SLC3Kb1 logo then the countdown loop again).
I was able to start the text console from the countdown, and check dmesg, so I'll upload the log in a few minutes.
iamasmith, let me know what you want me to try if you need more data about this problem...
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 11:39:21 am
So that's probably the best 'telltale' symptom. If someone can't suspend and get an error with apm -s from the command line then they probably haven't zero'd the device.
- Andy
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 11:41:34 am
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 11:42:50 am
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OK, today I decided to play again with my GSM/GPRS CF Card. Last time I tried that, with alpha, I suffered all sort of weird problems (bus errors, most of the executables couldn't be found anymore by the shell). Subsequently, I encountered a lot of strange things (file & process ownership were wrong, so Tab Setting application and swap stuff were broken) until I reinstalled alpha from scratch.
Today when I inserted the GSM/GPRS CF card (EagleTec GSM/GPRS CF+), I simply got a wild and instantaneous reboot, with a 5 second countdown that looped again and again. I had to press the reset switch to get out of it (didn't read the doc before, so I couldn't find a way out of that countdown). Later attempts showed a bit more succes as I was able to see a brief "New card: serial or modem" message box from the card monitor applet.
Trying to launch the Network application doesn't work (the application never displays anything, either it is stuck waiting for something that doesn't happen or it dies before displaying anything), and tapping the applet list applet icon caused another partial reboot (SLC3Kb1 logo then the countdown loop again).
I was able to start the text console from the countdown, and check dmesg, so I'll upload the log in a few minutes.
iamasmith, let me know what you want me to try if you need more data about this problem...
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I think the first thing is cardctl status and cardctl ident information if you can get that far with the machine booted.
I haven't actually seen one of these cards but I would expect it to act as a serial device.
What happened with the stock Sharp ROM with this card ?
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 11:56:53 am
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The log ("dmesg > log3.txt" done just after the last crash) is here (http://probbe.nerim.net/zaurus/cacko3k/log3.txt).
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It looks like your HDD is hosed. This is obviously why Qtopia isn't loading any more.
If this is happening when you use that card (once with Alpha and once with Beta) then I would be a little concerned that the card is causing some problems on the CF bus.
I would suggest that you want to reflash and re-zero the device - looking at what you are seeing there's a good possibility that /hdd1 is hosed.
Incidentally this card is a 3.3v CF card and not a higher voltage card? (I think there are some other restrictions, you may want to search).
I would be tempted to say don't try using it again until you know more about this card and it's compatibility with the Zaurus.
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 12:20:22 pm
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QuoteThe log ("dmesg > log3.txt" done just after the last crash) is here (http://probbe.nerim.net/zaurus/cacko3k/log3.txt).
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It looks like your HDD is hosed. This is obviously why Qtopia isn't loading any more.
If this is happening when you use that card (once with Alpha and once with Beta) then I would be a little concerned that the card is causing some problems on the CF bus.
I would suggest that you want to reflash and re-zero the device - looking at what you are seeing there's a good possibility that /hdd1 is hosed.
Incidentally this card is a 3.3v CF card and not a higher voltage card? (I think there are some other restrictions, you may want to search).
I would be tempted to say don't try using it again until you know more about this card and it's compatibility with the Zaurus.
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Actually Euroclie, there's one other thing. You aren't by any chance using Battery Plus to overclock are you ?
I noticed that it reduces the VCORE to the 9 setting rather than the A (10) setting which is the default for the Z at 416Mhz when you set it back to 416Mhz. I pointed this out in a different posting on overclock. That's another possible thing that may contribute to unstable operation.
- Andy
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 01:54:44 pm
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I think the first thing is cardctl status and cardctl ident information if you can get that far with the machine booted.Yes, on a few attempts (for instance, if I leave the card inserted in the CF slot during the boot, it doesn't bomb as long as I don't touch the network-related stuff) I've been able to use that command.
cardctl ident correctly reports the card's info:
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Socket 0:
product info: "GPRS Modem", "GPRS", "", ""
manfid: 0x0279, 0x950b
function: 2 (serial)
Socket 1:
product info: "HITACHI", "microdrive"
manfid: 0x0319, 0x0000
function: 4 (fixed disk)
and cardctl status reports:
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Socket 0:
3.3V 16-bit PC Card [suspended]
Socket 1:
3.3V 16-bit PC Card [suspended]
I think that this is the cause of the problem: obviously, the socket 1 should not be suspended! Indeed, when I first tested the card using the Sharp stock ROM, I mistakenly performed a "cardctl suspend" instead of "cardctl suspend 0" to suspend the GSM/GPRS card, and it immediately hung the Zaurus...
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I haven't actually seen one of these cards but I would expect it to act as a serial device.Yes, it's a good Audiovox RTM8000 Clone, and it does act as a serial modem.
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What happened with the stock Sharp ROM with this card ?This card worked perfectly with the Sharp ROM, so I know it's not a problem with the card (unless it broke since I installed Cacko ROM, but that doesn't seem very likely).
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 02:01:25 pm
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I would suggest that you want to reflash and re-zero the device - looking at what you are seeing there's a good possibility that /hdd1 is hosed.A reboot (without the CF card inserted) fixes the problem, cardctl status reports that the Socket 1 is awake (3.3V 16-bit PC Card, function 0: [ready], [bat dead], [bat low]), as it does normally...
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Incidentally this card is a 3.3v CF card and not a higher voltage card? (I think there are some other restrictions, you may want to search).Yes, I've read about that voltage issue, but to be honest I have got it to work (with both minicom for the voice part, and the GUI for internet connection) without having to care more about this issue.
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I would be tempted to say don't try using it again until you know more about this card and it's compatibility with the Zaurus.As written in my previous post, it did work OK with the Sharp ROM (once I had figured out how to configure it).
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Actually Euroclie, there's one other thing. You aren't by any chance using Battery Plus to overclock are you ?I've not yet dared overclock or underclock the Zaurus. I did install Battery Plus some time ago with the Sharp ROM, but noticed that the main interest in using it was overclocking, and since I was more concerned by making the Zaurus work reliably than making it do things faster, I promptly uninstalled it and haven't played with it again since.
Post by: iamasmith on May 01, 2005, 02:22:03 pm
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QuoteI would suggest that you want to reflash and re-zero the device - looking at what you are seeing there's a good possibility that /hdd1 is hosed.A reboot (without the CF card inserted) fixes the problem, cardctl status reports that the Socket 1 is awake (3.3V 16-bit PC Card, function 0: [ready], [bat dead], [bat low]), as it does normally...QuoteIncidentally this card is a 3.3v CF card and not a higher voltage card? (I think there are some other restrictions, you may want to search).Yes, I've read about that voltage issue, but to be honest I have got it to work (with both minicom for the voice part, and the GUI for internet connection) without having to care more about this issue.QuoteI would be tempted to say don't try using it again until you know more about this card and it's compatibility with the Zaurus.As written in my previous post, it did work OK with the Sharp ROM (once I had figured out how to configure it).QuoteActually Euroclie, there's one other thing. You aren't by any chance using Battery Plus to overclock are you ?I've not yet dared overclock or underclock the Zaurus. I did install Battery Plus some time ago with the Sharp ROM, but noticed that the main interest in using it was overclocking, and since I was more concerned by making the Zaurus work reliably than making it do things faster, I promptly uninstalled it and haven't played with it again since.
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Hmm, OK, I think I'll have to roll a copy of the ROM with a default Kernel for testing. Can you live without Bluetooth for now ?
[UPDATE]Actually you may, if you feel like and experiment, want to try flashing just the default Kernel, most of the modules should work OK. Simply use my updater, and a zImage from the 1.11JP update on the Sharp website. Remove all the other files and the updater will install just that Kernel (just updater.sh and the zimage file on the card - no need to zero the device after this). If that works then let me know. I guess we will think about a specific Kernel for this image at some time rather than simply using tetsu's[/UPDATE]
- Andy
Post by: euroclie on May 01, 2005, 02:35:07 pm
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Hmm, OK, I think I'll have to roll a copy of the ROM with a default Kernel for testing. Can you live without Bluetooth for now ?As a matter of fact, I've been deprived of wireless (except for infrequent WiFi use at home) since I started alpha-testing the Cacko ROM, so I can certainly survive a bit longer without GPRS...
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Actually you may, if you feel like and experiment, want to try flashing just the default Kernel, most of the modules should work OK. Simply use my updater, and a zImage from the 1.11JP update on the Sharp website. Remove all the other files and the updater will install just that Kernel (just updater.sh and the zimage file on the card - no need to zero the device after this). If that works then let me know. I guess we will think about a specific Kernel for this image at some time rather than simply using tetsu'sI'll try that tomorrow and will let you know the result...
Post by: kahm on May 01, 2005, 02:42:05 pm
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Right, got to say this again... THANKS kahm for getting that apache-php package and Opera working.
I have been working on prototype stuff for so long now that I forgot how useful it was to get my QwikiWiki available on my Zaurus. I just pushed the tarball back onto the Zaurus and it works SO well.
Some modifications that I would suggest are...
1. Add a webauthor user using UID 501 and GID 501 (matching the group).
2. Change /hdd2/www/conf/httpd.conf and edit the user nobody group nobody lines to user webauthor group webauthor.
3. Set ownership over htdocs to webauthor:webauthor
If you make these changes then the proper permission set is in place for most apps including QwikiWiki.
Without the update of httpd.conf (probably just for GID) you can't display images from subdirectories in htdocs.
Having apache-php again reminds me why I bought the 3K in the first place, thanks again kahm.
Regards,
Andy
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I can't add a user in a script using the adduser command - it brings up an interactive password prompt. I could probably just cat a line onto the end of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but that's probably not a good idea.
Any suggestions?
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QuoteRight, got to say this again... THANKS kahm for getting that apache-php package and Opera working.
I have been working on prototype stuff for so long now that I forgot how useful it was to get my QwikiWiki available on my Zaurus. I just pushed the tarball back onto the Zaurus and it works SO well.
Some modifications that I would suggest are...
1. Add a webauthor user using UID 501 and GID 501 (matching the group).
2. Change /hdd2/www/conf/httpd.conf and edit the user nobody group nobody lines to user webauthor group webauthor.
3. Set ownership over htdocs to webauthor:webauthor
If you make these changes then the proper permission set is in place for most apps including QwikiWiki.
Without the update of httpd.conf (probably just for GID) you can't display images from subdirectories in htdocs.
Having apache-php again reminds me why I bought the 3K in the first place, thanks again kahm.
Regards,
Andy
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I can't add a user in a script using the adduser command - it brings up an interactive password prompt. I could probably just cat a line onto the end of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but that's probably not a good idea.
Any suggestions?
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Yes, as I recall adduser was actually broken in the Cacko 1.21 ROM (last time I did all this) so I ended up with a manual edit to add the user.
It should be feasible to loop through both files quite easily with a script, after all : is a simple delimeter to work on.
I would loop through the files, accumulate the highest UID/GID in a variable, add one to that and simply echo the line onto the end of the group/passwd file (obviously checking for a previous instance of the user/group whilst in the loop). - There are various methods for getting one line at a time out of a file.
Go on, give it a try. I know that you didn't want to learn bash but why waste a good thing . If you need some help let me know.
Regards,
Andy
Post by: kahm on May 01, 2005, 04:09:20 pm
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Yes, as I recall adduser was actually broken in the Cacko 1.21 ROM (last time I did all this) so I ended up with a manual edit to add the user.
It should be feasible to loop through both files quite easily with a script, after all : is a simple delimeter to work on.
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Actually, adduser seems to work fine (As opposed to addgroup which is *definitely* broken), it is a deliberate design decision on the part of tinylogin that prevents using adduser in a script.
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I would loop through the files, accumulate the highest UID/GID in a variable, add one to that and simply echo the line onto the end of the group/passwd file (obviously checking for a previous instance of the user/group whilst in the loop). - There are various methods for getting one line at a time out of a file.
Go on, give it a try. I know that you didn't want to learn bash but why waste a good thing . If you need some help let me know.
Well, I've already become acquainted with my new best friend "Awk" from the work I did last week on the install scripts. Doing the adduser manually is a little more complex than I expected, so I'll be leaving the modifications for my next day off instead.
I've noticed that the rom is missing some of the additions made to Cacko, such as libpcap. Plus, my Linksys WCF12 comes up under prism_2 in this rom, and host_ap in 1.22. (Which is causing me some "can't set mode" grief for packet capturing in wellenreiter. I'll get it changed around and let you know how it went)
o/~ o/~ And awking I wil go... o/~ o/~
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QuoteYes, as I recall adduser was actually broken in the Cacko 1.21 ROM (last time I did all this) so I ended up with a manual edit to add the user.
It should be feasible to loop through both files quite easily with a script, after all : is a simple delimeter to work on.
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Actually, adduser seems to work fine (As opposed to addgroup which is *definitely* broken), it is a deliberate design decision on the part of tinylogin that prevents using adduser in a script.QuoteI would loop through the files, accumulate the highest UID/GID in a variable, add one to that and simply echo the line onto the end of the group/passwd file (obviously checking for a previous instance of the user/group whilst in the loop). - There are various methods for getting one line at a time out of a file.
Go on, give it a try. I know that you didn't want to learn bash but why waste a good thing . If you need some help let me know.
Well, I've already become acquainted with my new best friend "Awk" from the work I did last week on the install scripts. Doing the adduser manually is a little more complex than I expected, so I'll be leaving the modifications for my next day off instead.
I've noticed that the rom is missing some of the additions made to Cacko, such as libpcap. Plus, my Linksys WCF12 comes up under prism_2 in this rom, and host_ap in 1.22. (Which is causing me some "can't set mode" grief for packet capturing in wellenreiter. I'll get it changed around and let you know how it went)
o/~ o/~ And awking I wil go... o/~ o/~
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Yes, in a discussion with Anton we talked about the Wireless extensions in the ROM and the Kernel driver support.
The Kernel as you recall is Tetsu's kernel and as such doesn't have some of the patches that Anton applies to the 2.4.18 Kernel for the SL-Cxxx devices. I think the next bit is to look at the Cacko patch set and come up with our own Kernel to implement the wireless extensions in as mature a way as the Cacko Kernel.
I'm not sure about libpcap at this stage, the modules obviously need to support promiscuous mode to work with libpcap. I would like to see how Anton is progressing with the SL-C1000 stuff before throwing too much effort at this as I'm hoping the patch sets will be fairly portable. - This also includes the extensions needed for WPA support.
- Andy
Post by: gerenb on May 01, 2005, 09:13:54 pm
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I've loaded BETA1 and my Socket rev. H card works! I only have one problem - the plug/globe only appears after entering the network applet. It doesn't appear upon insertion of the card.
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You have a Bluetooth dialup connection created? Card insertion should be bringin up those symbols as that's generic stuff - the ROM by this stage should already have recognised it as a Bluetooth card.
Does the card appear in the Card Manager applet ?
Could you also check the following for me please ?
lsmod before going into the Network Applet
lsmod after going into the Network Applet (don't think it will be different but may be).
cardctl status
cardctl ident
BTW: If you do stumble across something in the meantime, however trivial it seems, that makes the card work then please post to this thread - I would like to wrap any such changes in the next release. Unfortunately I don't have one of these cards to test with, all I have is an LSE0039 card - which, as you can guess works beautifully.
Regards,
Andy
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The card is recognized by the card manager applet as Socket Bluetooth Card v2.5.
The bluetooth dial-up connection is created and works properly (once plug/globe is present).
lsmod before entering network applet:
Module Size Used by
rfcomm 33680 1
l2cap 16432 2 [rfcomm]
hci_uart 12672 2
pxa_bi 24912 0 (unused)
net_fd 25216 0 (unused)
usbdcore 35504 0 [pxa_bi net_fd]
bluez 33200 3 (autoclean) [rfcomm l2cap hci_uart]
usbdmonitor 5488 0
usb-monitor 6496 0
sharp_mmcsd_m 41008 1
bvdd 10016 0
lsmod after entering network applet:
Module Size Used by
rfcomm 33680 1
l2cap 16432 2 [rfcomm]
hci_uart 12672 2
pxa_bi 24912 0 (unused)
net_fd 25216 0 (unused)
usbdcore 35504 0 [pxa_bi net_fd]
bluez 33200 3 (autoclean) [rfcomm l2cap hci_uart]
usbdmonitor 5488 0
usb-monitor 6496 0
sharp_mmcsd_m 41008 1
bvdd 10016 0
cardctl status:
Socket 0:
3.3V 16-bit PC Card
function 0: [ready]
Socket 1:
3.3V 16-bit PC Card
function 0: [ready], [bat dead], [bat low]
cardctl ident:
Socket 0:
product info: "Socket", "CF+ Personal Network Card Rev 2.5"
manfid: 0x0104, 0x0096
function: 2 (serial)
Socket 1:
product info: "HITACHI", "microdrive"
manfid: 0x0319, 0x0000
function: 4 (fixed disk)
Any ideas?
Post by: kooie on May 02, 2005, 04:13:34 am
Or is this ROM an alternative based on the apps mentioned above? Thank you in advance for any suggestions or help that can be provided.
Post by: prahs on May 02, 2005, 04:22:14 am
1. install apache and php and link files to hdd2 rather than leave in rom as you will run out of space (this www and everything below)
2. install mysql and edit my.cnf to make sure database directory is on hdd3
3. install phpmyadmin
4. run this and create database mambo and user mambo
5. download mambo unzip it on your pc to folder called mambo
6. now copy to zaurus to sit under htdocs
6. chmod 777 -R on all folders below mambo
8. create configuration.php and assign 777 to it..
9. now run http://localhost/mambo/installation/install.php (http://localhost/mambo/installation/install.php)
10. make sure your http and mysql is running - mysqld and httpd
if i can be anymore help please let me know
Post by: prahs on May 02, 2005, 04:31:42 am
but, i'm using sharp rom, i've got mysql, apache, php, phpadmin, mambo, phpbb, phpnuke and mono running with great performance. I use it foe demo's and i could sell these units by the bucket - i meawn can a pda get any better than this..
In addition I'm running opera, wireless sniffing, openoffice etc..
I downloaded the beta, and wow the work you guys have done is amazing, hats off to you people.
I could'nt get wireless to work and mysql crashed.
The question i'm asking is..what will i gain by moving to these other O.S's. If it means i am able to use ipkg search etc and basically make this PDA a true linux desktop, then wa-hey !!!!.
Thanks in advance....
Post by: iamasmith on May 02, 2005, 06:04:27 am
Prior to getting a proper bugtracking system up and running I'm collating issues with the ROM from this thread.
Here's the current hitlist.
For hotfix/Beta2
Zero the device during the updater.sh process
Socket BT Rev H doesn't show applet until you go to network settings - Probably Script related.
EagleTec GSM/GPRS CF+ crashes the unit badly - Tetsu Kernel or script? Euroclie testing with Sharp Kernel.
For cefrnr build
On critical path for cefrnr....
Possibly a second Beta?
Battery/CPU Frequency Application. - I'm now looking at this.
Wireless extensions/libpcap/WPA support - Kernel + other suff ? Possibly wait until ROM sync with 1K.
cefrnr merge back with Maslovsky's SL-C1000 ROM based stuff to produce official Cacko 3K ROM.
On critical path for official Cacko 3K - Maslovsky producing SL-C1000 ROM
Post by: ArchiMark on May 02, 2005, 09:02:47 am
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I am new to this forum, and have just purchased an excellent C3K from Conics. I am looking to use the device with the XT/Debian install so that I may have access to certain apps such as SSH, Openoffice and Firefox. Am I able to install this ROM before undergoing the Debian install?
Yes....this ROM is a modified version of the Sharp ROM...just nicer than the original one....
Have fun with your new Z!
HTH,
Mark
Post by: ArchiMark on May 02, 2005, 10:10:20 am
Mark
Post by: euroclie on May 02, 2005, 10:17:24 am
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OK, just found a little bug....in QKonsole, when I try and type the '/' symbol holding the shift key, I still get a ',' instead.I might be wrong, but I think that this is the normal behavior (i.e. ',' and '/' are inverted). All that changed from the alpha ROM is that the Shift key isn't sticky anymore, as far as I can remember (can't check now, I'm in a hurry! )
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QuoteOK, just found a little bug....in QKonsole, when I try and type the '/' symbol holding the shift key, I still get a ',' instead.I might be wrong, but I think that this is the normal behavior (i.e. ',' and '/' are inverted). All that changed from the alpha ROM is that the Shift key isn't sticky anymore, as far as I can remember (can't check now, I'm in a hurry! )
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Yes, this behaviour is by design. You can modify ~/Settings/keyhelper.xml to suit your own preferences.
- Andy
Post by: euroclie on May 02, 2005, 11:48:32 am
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Actually you may, if you feel like and experiment, want to try flashing just the default Kernel, most of the modules should work OK. Simply use my updater, and a zImage from the 1.11JP update on the Sharp website. Remove all the other files and the updater will install just that Kernel (just updater.sh and the zimage file on the card - no need to zero the device after this). If that works then let me know. I guess we will think about a specific Kernel for this image at some time rather than simply using tetsu'sI reflashed using the Sharp 1.11JP stock kernel, and the Steyla kernel, and both show the same symptom (Socket 1 gets suspended along with Socket 0 when inserting the GSM/GPRS CF card. I can recover before any crash by typing "cardctl resume 1" in the console before doing anything else, though... So it may be a script problem iso a kernel one. I'll have to reflash Sharp ROM to find out...
Post by: iamasmith on May 02, 2005, 03:46:34 pm
Post by: sriley on May 02, 2005, 11:47:04 pm
Post by: iamasmith on May 03, 2005, 11:35:32 am
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I, for one, eagerly await the release of that modified Battery and Overclock applet.
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Ok, the combined battery/overclock applet has been posted on the [a href=\"http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000]http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000[/url] page.
Installation will reboot your Zaurus (just to be on the safe side).
At the moment the only three options for clock change on the PXA270 devices are...
Overclocked (624Mhz)
Overclocked (520Mhz)
Standard (416Mhz)
If you take a look at ~/Settings/freqchange.conf following install you can add your own clock/vcore rates.
Here's what the file looks like as default....
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
1,Overclocked (624Mhz),2000218,e
1,Overclocked (520MHz),2000214,c
1,Standard (416Mhz),2000210,a
The lines starting with 0 are for non PXA270 models, lines starting 1 are for PXA270 models.
The next parameter is the text to display in the applet.
The next parameter is the clock setting (written to /proc/zaurus/CCCR on PXA270)
The final parameter is the vcore setting (written to /proc/zaurus/VCORE on PXA270).
NOTE: Although the applet itself is portable to non PXA270 devices please do NOT install on older devices. The ipk also carries a suspend/resume script specific to the 3K ROM.
The suspend/resume script in the IPK resets the zaurus to 416Mhz and appropriate vcore setting prior to suspend. Upon resume it sets it back to the previous overclock setting. This is to overcome potential stability issues with some of the panic suspend stuff and provide predictable battery usage (CCCR also controls other hw clocks).
At present tetsu doesn't indicate vcore settings for underclocking the zaurus so I didn't add underclocking options. When I have waded through the PXA270 manuals and found the appropriate settings I will add them to the settings file.
BTW: This doesn't indicate that I condone overclocking or even view these settings as 'safe'. Please refer to my original statement as regard to my feelings regarding overclocking...
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11753 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11753)
- Andy
Post by: sriley on May 03, 2005, 11:47:15 am
Overclocking isn't really my intent. What I want to do is underclock to extend my battery life while reading books.
Now all I need to do is go find and try out the underclock values. Thanks!
Post by: euroclie on May 03, 2005, 12:36:13 pm
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Ok, the combined battery/overclock applet has been posted on the http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000 (http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000) page.FYI, the link is broken in the mentioned page (the <A HREF="qtopia-combinedbatteryapplet_1.0.5_arm.ipk> tag probably misses a closing </A> tag), but one can still get the file by pasting the file name at the end of the page URL...
Post by: kahm on May 03, 2005, 02:43:45 pm
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For cefrnr build
I know you said somewhere to ask a classical guitarist what this meant. Lacking a classical guitarist, I googled for it and found 0 hits.
Please enlighten me!
Post by: iamasmith on May 03, 2005, 04:05:57 pm
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QuoteFor cefrnr build
I know you said somewhere to ask a classical guitarist what this meant. Lacking a classical guitarist, I googled for it and found 0 hits.
Please enlighten me!
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OK, I play classical guitar.
This is a quote that relates to a jamming session with a rock band as the guitarist on the morning after a heavy night. Having trouble tuning up. Gives up, says C.E.F.R'n'R and hits the overdrive pedal.
Any guesses ?
Post by: iamasmith on May 03, 2005, 04:10:57 pm
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QuoteOk, the combined battery/overclock applet has been posted on the http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000 (http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/c3000) page.FYI, the link is broken in the mentioned page (the <A HREF="qtopia-combinedbatteryapplet_1.0.5_arm.ipk> tag probably misses a closing </A> tag), but one can still get the file by pasting the file name at the end of the page URL...
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Thanks, missed that, FireFox is just too tolerant.... you didn't expect me to test with IE did you ?
Post by: fastscirocco on May 03, 2005, 05:08:07 pm
on the C3000.
TRIsoft's manual specifically says that you can't do a NAND restore on the C3000.
But yet the first rule before trying a new rom is do a NAND back-up!
ummm, anybody see my dilema?
Thanks
Chris
Post by: iamasmith on May 03, 2005, 05:37:33 pm
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OK I've searched and read and can't figure out how you do a NAND back-up
on the C3000.
TRIsoft's manual specifically says that you can't do a NAND restore on the C3000.
But yet the first rule before trying a new rom is do a NAND back-up!
ummm, anybody see my dilema?
Thanks
Chris
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OK, you can NAND backup the 3000 but that only takes an image of the Flash.
If you want a stateful backup of the entire thing then this is what I would recommend.
1. Upgrade to Sharp ROM 1.11JP if you haven't already - your restore point will be to Sharp ROM 1.11JP. Keep the upgrade software handy, that's the main part of your restore process.
2. NAND backup if you like, you are unlikely to need it for a Cacko 3K test because we don't modify partition sizes. A Sharp Install will overwrite anything that we did.
3. User backup your 3000 to produce the Sharp backup that can be copied off. This will store any English conversion that your vendor may have provided.
4. Copy the Sharp udpate, NAND image and backup to a CD for archive purposes. - just in case you rebuild your desktop whilst testing or something - do it now whilst everything is to hand.
Restore to your Sharp ROM would therefore consist of..
1. NAND restore - probably not needed as previously mentioned.
2. Sharp update process, this will install the Sharp Kernel, zImage and hdd1 etc.
3. Zero the device (OK menu, options 3+1).
4. User restore from the Sharp backup you previously took.
Please note. If you want to try Cacko 3K then you must zero the device for it to work correctly and you must NOT restore a Sharp backup to it - it will break if you do this.
Hope this helps,
Andy
Post by: euroclie on May 03, 2005, 05:43:16 pm
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TRIsoft's manual specifically says that you can't do a NAND restore on the C3000.AFAIK, the NAND Flash doesn't hold much on the 3000, only whatever is required to load the actual kernel and ROM image from the HD, right?
But yet the first rule before trying a new rom is do a NAND back-up!
As for me, I'm at ease on that matter since it seems that you can de-brick a 3000 following mammothrept's howto (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11019) even if you didn't perform a NAND backup first...
Post by: euroclie on May 03, 2005, 05:43:59 pm
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you didn't expect me to test with IE did you ?What's IE? I'm using Opera on my laptop...
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 04:44:43 am
Just edit ~/Settings/freqchange.conf and make the file look like this... (CHANGED)
0,Turbo,1e2,0
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
1,Turbo (624/312/156 MHz),a000218,e
1,Turbo (624/312/78 MHz),2000218,e
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c
1,Overclocked (520/260/64 MHz),2000214,c
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9
1,Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8
Then from the command prompt use..
qcop QPE/TaskBar "reloadApplets()"
You should now have the full range of options. Note that the numbers in brackets are CPU/Memory/LCD.
- Andy
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 10:06:43 am
I'll get that done this morning. Thanks!
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 01:10:58 pm
1,Turbo (624/312/156 MHz),a000218,e Some light screen flickering
1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e No problem
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c Heavy screen flickering
1,Overclocked (520/208/104 MHz),2000290,c Completely locks up my Z every time. Had to pull the battery
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a No problem
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9 No problem
1,Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8 No problem
FWIW, I didn't run any of the overclocked speeds for more than about 15 seconds, so YMMV over longer periods.
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 01:29:47 pm
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OK, since there's no CPU tab on the System Info app, I ran Fish 1.1.0 so I could have a visual indication of the different clock speeds. Here's what happens for me:
1,Turbo (624/312/156 MHz),a000218,e Some light screen flickering
1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e No problem
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c Heavy screen flickering
1,Overclocked (520/208/104 MHz),2000290,c Completely locks up my Z every time. Had to pull the battery
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a No problem
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9 No problem
1,Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8 No problem
FWIW, I didn't run any of the overclocked speeds for more than about 15 seconds, so YMMV over longer periods.
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OK, I updated the previous posting with some new values..
Here they are again..
Code: [Select]
0,Turbo,1e2,0
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
1,Turbo (624/312/156 MHz),a000218,e
1,Turbo (624/312/78 MHz),2000218,e
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c
1,Overclocked (520/260/64 MHz),2000214,c
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9
1,Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8I think that they should be more stable, at least the clock rates for memory are equivalent to the processor clock rate. You may get more flicker on the lower value display clock ones though. Again this may not be an issue if you are viewing video or something.
- Andy
Post by: kahm on May 04, 2005, 01:44:50 pm
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QuoteQuoteFor cefrnr build
I know you said somewhere to ask a classical guitarist what this meant. Lacking a classical guitarist, I googled for it and found 0 hits.
Please enlighten me!
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OK, I play classical guitar.
This is a quote that relates to a jamming session with a rock band as the guitarist on the morning after a heavy night. Having trouble tuning up. Gives up, says C.E.F.R'n'R and hits the overdrive pedal.
Any guesses ?
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Other than the obvious (Rock 'n Roll) no. At least nothing printable. It's probably still too early in the morning for me.
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 01:51:31 pm
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QuoteQuoteQuoteFor cefrnr build
I know you said somewhere to ask a classical guitarist what this meant. Lacking a classical guitarist, I googled for it and found 0 hits.
Please enlighten me!
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=78060\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
OK, I play classical guitar.
This is a quote that relates to a jamming session with a rock band as the guitarist on the morning after a heavy night. Having trouble tuning up. Gives up, says C.E.F.R'n'R and hits the overdrive pedal.
Any guesses ?
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Other than the obvious (Rock 'n Roll) no. At least nothing printable. It's probably still too early in the morning for me.
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Close enough for rock'n'roll
Post by: piku on May 04, 2005, 02:40:48 pm
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QuoteOK I've searched and read and can't figure out how you do a NAND back-up
on the C3000.
TRIsoft's manual specifically says that you can't do a NAND restore on the C3000.
But yet the first rule before trying a new rom is do a NAND back-up!
ummm, anybody see my dilema?
Thanks
Chris
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OK, you can NAND backup the 3000 but that only takes an image of the Flash.
If you want a stateful backup of the entire thing then this is what I would recommend.
1. Upgrade to Sharp ROM 1.11JP if you haven't already - your restore point will be to Sharp ROM 1.11JP. Keep the upgrade software handy, that's the main part of your restore process.
2. NAND backup if you like, you are unlikely to need it for a Cacko 3K test because we don't modify partition sizes. A Sharp Install will overwrite anything that we did.
3. User backup your 3000 to produce the Sharp backup that can be copied off. This will store any English conversion that your vendor may have provided.
4. Copy the Sharp udpate, NAND image and backup to a CD for archive purposes. - just in case you rebuild your desktop whilst testing or something - do it now whilst everything is to hand.
Restore to your Sharp ROM would therefore consist of..
1. NAND restore - probably not needed as previously mentioned.
2. Sharp update process, this will install the Sharp Kernel, zImage and hdd1 etc.
3. Zero the device (OK menu, options 3+1).
4. User restore from the Sharp backup you previously took.
Please note. If you want to try Cacko 3K then you must zero the device for it to work correctly and you must NOT restore a Sharp backup to it - it will break if you do this.
Hope this helps,
Andy
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To be clear, what exactly does zeroing the device do? Menu options 3+1. does it wipe /dev/hda3 with all your user data? can I store the backup of /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda1 on here to get myself moving again without having to download it from the computer?
Thanks,
Mark
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 03:12:06 pm
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....
To be clear, what exactly does zeroing the device do? Menu options 3+1. does it wipe /dev/hda3 with all your user data? can I store the backup of /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda1 on here to get myself moving again without having to download it from the computer?
Thanks,
Mark
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This should explain everything...
[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started_With_Your_Z&PHPSESSID=d4c3cb6585a74102a2374bc078028a6d]https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Gettin...2374bc078028a6d[/url]
Take a look at the bit about "Why do I need to erase..."
- Andy
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 03:42:33 pm
1,Turbo (624/312/78 MHz),2000218,e Immediately locked up, had to pull the battery. Went back the old values
1,Overclocked (520/260/64 MHz),2000214,c Works fine
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 03:49:05 pm
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My results with the new values:
1,Turbo (624/312/78 MHz),2000218,e Immediately locked up, had to pull the battery. Went back the old values
1,Overclocked (520/260/64 MHz),2000214,c Works fine
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Spooky, this was the value that BatteryPlus-1.0.6 used for overclocking to 624Mhz, I was sure that was going to be safe. OK, I haven't had a lockup myself but I haven't really put it through its paces.
Post your freqchange.conf and lets all try and see if things are stable on a range of 3Ks.
- Andy
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 03:58:11 pm
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0,Turbo,1e2,0
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
#1,Turbo (624/312/156 MHz),a000218,e
1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e
#1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c
1,Overclocked (520/260/64 MHz),2000290,c
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a
#1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9
1,Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8
Leaves only one setting for each CPU speed.
None of the above values cause lockups for me, I just commented those three lines out to unclutter the applet.
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 04:31:08 pm
Are you happy with the screen flicker at the lowest rate? I thought you wanted to read ebooks whilst underclocked.
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 04:55:08 pm
As for the screen flicker, that's why I used comments. When I have more time to really see how it feels I may try the other underclocked value to see which I like better. I just started with the lowest because it should have the biggest impact on battery life.
BTW, I was very confused about the difference between USB mini-A (host) and mini-B (device) cables until a recent post elsewhere on this site. I didn't want to buy a mini-A USB cable until I tried making one myself by cutting the connector open and soldering a short between pins 4 and 5. Finally got around to it, now my tiny Targus USB optical mouse with the retractable cable works. Very cool! I'm going to shorten my mini-A cable to about 12" tomorrow, and I need to go find a USB hub with a very low-profile power supply so I can connect other stuff.
Post by: iamasmith on May 04, 2005, 05:31:30 pm
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...
BTW, I was very confused about the difference between USB mini-A (host) and mini-B (device) cables until a recent post elsewhere on this site. I didn't want to buy a mini-A USB cable until I tried making one myself by cutting the connector open and soldering a short between pins 4 and 5. Finally got around to it, now my tiny Targus USB optical mouse with the retractable cable works. Very cool! I'm going to shorten my mini-A cable to about 12" tomorrow, and I need to go find a USB hub with a very low-profile power supply so I can connect other stuff.
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Yeah, I got a retractable mouse from Maplin in the UK recently, optical, scrollwheel, fits in your pocket without tangling and you can use it without getting cramp.... for £12, awesome! I guess that's about $20 or thereabouts. These things are fantastic and you can practically carry them in a spare pocket with your Z.
Man, I've got to get an X server running under QT that supports the mouse now... I think my next project may be to look at porting the QT framebuffer and touchscreen stuff as modular drivers into either XFree86 or XOrg so that you can actually use some of the other more standard stuff like the mouse support with the display server... (I just know that this is going to be one of those when I get around to it sort of projects though).
- Andy
Post by: sriley on May 04, 2005, 05:42:10 pm
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These things are fantastic and you can practically carry them in a spare pocket with your Z.
Exactly! That's why I'm going to reduce the length of the mini-A cable I made. I'll be able to get everything (mouse, power cable, LAN and wifi cards, and JumpDrive that takes SD cards, and maybe a super slim USB hub) in one very small camera bag.
Post by: kahm on May 05, 2005, 01:27:27 am
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QuoteThese things are fantastic and you can practically carry them in a spare pocket with your Z.
Exactly! That's why I'm going to reduce the length of the mini-A cable I made. I'll be able to get everything (mouse, power cable, LAN and wifi cards, and JumpDrive that takes SD cards, and maybe a super slim USB hub) in one very small camera bag.
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I've got a targus leather case that's about the same size as my Z, which carries 4 CF cards (3 data, 1 bt), my iRiver cable, a spare stylus, and my wi-fi card. A mini-mouse *might* fit, but it'd be tight. The Z itself is in my pocket.
Post by: kahm on May 06, 2005, 01:20:03 am
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Close enough for rock'n'roll
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Okay. You're right. I should have been able to guess that one.
Here's the new Apache IPK with the user Webauthor, group webauthor:
[a href=\"http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/apache-1.3.27-php-4.2.3_0.2-c3k-2_arm.ipk]http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/apache-1.3.27...2-c3k-2_arm.ipk[/url]
It's been quiet in here ever since the beta release...
Post by: iamasmith on May 06, 2005, 05:08:32 am
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QuoteClose enough for rock'n'roll
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Okay. You're right. I should have been able to guess that one.
Here's the new Apache IPK with the user Webauthor, group webauthor:
[a href=\"http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/apache-1.3.27-php-4.2.3_0.2-c3k-2_arm.ipk]http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/apache-1.3.27...2-c3k-2_arm.ipk[/url]
It's been quiet in here ever since the beta release...
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Yes, I release the battery applet update the other day, there are a couple of issues related to cards which may be script related that could do with being hunted down but I'm also talking to Bryan (stupkid) about getting a bugtracker set up.
I anticipate trying out the 18a Tetsu Kernel with this ROM too, currently it's using 17h. 18a updates a few bits here and there and adds the granularity stuff into the /proc/apm output (translate : Gives hi res % on the battery power )
Post by: collywobbles on May 06, 2005, 05:18:25 am
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I anticipate trying out the 18a Tetsu Kernel with this ROM too, currently it's using 17h. 18a updates a few bits here and there and adds the granularity stuff into the /proc/apm output (translate : Gives hi res % on the battery power )Andy - will you incorporate the new kernel/mplayer/other fixes into a new beta (or cefrnr) and if so do you have a timescale?
Thanks
Russell
Post by: iamasmith on May 06, 2005, 06:07:57 am
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QuoteI anticipate trying out the 18a Tetsu Kernel with this ROM too, currently it's using 17h. 18a updates a few bits here and there and adds the granularity stuff into the /proc/apm output (translate : Gives hi res % on the battery power )Andy - will you incorporate the new kernel/mplayer/other fixes into a new beta (or cefrnr) and if so do you have a timescale?
Thanks
Russell
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Currently there's only one 'verified' update. That would be the Battery Applet.
I started a new thread to discuss testing with the v18a Kernel before layering that into the Cacko3K beta because it requires an update to initrd and any full ROM release requires testers to zero the devices.
My thoughts about release interval are to stabilise as many features as we can so that testers don't get racked-off about zeroing their device and copying everything back - I think we all want to use our Zs as real devices too.
mplayer won't get 'built in' just yet. It can be installed fairly easily but if you took a look at atty's page he's pretty active on the project. It wouldn't make sense to put something that's in 'flux' into a ROM image.
We will hopefully have a bugtracker up and running soon to track reported issues as they come in.
Beta testing on this device, bug tracking and reporting is going to be really important because we can answer some of the questions before they are raised on the SL-C1000 build... if you don't know.. here's what's likely to happen..
1. Alpha, Betas and cefrr releases of Cacko3K on the SL-C3000, gathering stability data and developing applets/tools/background on the SL-C3000 models.
2. Possibly similar Alpha/Beta program driven by Maslovsky for the SL-C1000, gathering similar data. Slightly different focus - Maslovsky has more focus on unified kernel etc...
During this time there will be crossover stuff being passed backwards and forwards..
3. Crossover stuff encorporated into new 3K/1K betas etc..
4. SL-C1000 release.
5. Adaption system built to create SL-C3000 from SL-C1000 ROM + add any 3K specifics that for some reason aren't suited to 1K - and remove 1K specifics not suited to 3K (and yes there may be some).
6. SL-C3000 release.
The aim of this is really to converge the ROM creation of the two devices.
...so to answer the question, don't expect a ROM every week but there will be some activity and potentially some 'quickfix' stuff like the Battery Monitor/CPU Overclock.
Andy
Post by: iamasmith on May 06, 2005, 06:33:31 am
/home in the current ROM and in the Sharp ROM lives in flash, there are symbolic links from /home/zaurus/Applications to /hdd2/Applications and /home/zaurus/Documents to /hdd3/Documents so that using standard Sharp stuff all main storage requirements are handled by these locations.
I considered initially putting /home on hdd2 but my initial thoughts were that because /etc is actually in /home/etc that may cause problems with suspend/resume whilst we waiting for the hdd to resume.
This can actually be resolved quite simply by linking /etc to a different location in flash and making /home/etc a symbolic link to that same location in flash.
The advantages are going to be that users will not need to be extra careful about the use of storage in /home/zaurus (i.e. currently if you sftp a large file to the Z then you better make sure you don't put it in your home directory) and more applications will install 'out of the box' without custom tweaks (sorry for your efforts Kahm, this may be better in the long run).
Can anyone spot any obvious gotchas before I go and try this out? I know that the OZ team already do this but we are looking at Sharp ROM IPK compatibility here - I'll also obviously have to modify the 'device clearing' process so that it knows about the new locations.
- Andy
Post by: mammothrept on May 06, 2005, 10:03:31 am
Post by: iamasmith on May 06, 2005, 10:08:06 am
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Is there any way that the Cacko ROM can be tweaked to allow the Japanese input and dictionaries to remain? The Zaurus has a great dictionary built in and it would be a shame to lose it.
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This is covered in the readme file. Yes it should eventually be done but only when we have a 'milestone' ROM (either cefrr or official Cacko).
Post by: kahm on May 06, 2005, 02:44:59 pm
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There's a feature that I would like to discuss.
/home in the current ROM and in the Sharp ROM lives in flash, there are symbolic links from /home/zaurus/Applications to /hdd2/Applications and /home/zaurus/Documents to /hdd3/Documents so that using standard Sharp stuff all main storage requirements are handled by these locations.
I considered initially putting /home on hdd2 but my initial thoughts were that because /etc is actually in /home/etc that may cause problems with suspend/resume whilst we waiting for the hdd to resume.
This can actually be resolved quite simply by linking /etc to a different location in flash and making /home/etc a symbolic link to that same location in flash.
The advantages are going to be that users will not need to be extra careful about the use of storage in /home/zaurus (i.e. currently if you sftp a large file to the Z then you better make sure you don't put it in your home directory) and more applications will install 'out of the box' without custom tweaks (sorry for your efforts Kahm, this may be better in the long run).
Can anyone spot any obvious gotchas before I go and try this out? I know that the OZ team already do this but we are looking at Sharp ROM IPK compatibility here - I'll also obviously have to modify the 'device clearing' process so that it knows about the new locations.
- Andy
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Well, I say move it and save me the hassle of having to rebuild any *more* packages!
Quite seriously, though, the /home/zaurus on flash is the *worst* thing about the C3k by far. If it is possible to move it then please do, and I'll gladly test it to death for you
Post by: sriley on May 06, 2005, 03:20:23 pm
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I'll gladly test it to death for you
So will I. Add the new tetsu kernel and we can call it C3KB1A1(CEFRnR)
Post by: ArchiMark on May 06, 2005, 11:00:01 pm
Have Ambicom WL1100C-CF compact flash WiFi card. Was working OK before installing Cacko beta. Now doesn't connect...
I CAN connect to my home network, if put in my compact flash Socket ethernet lan card.
After trying to connect, I did the following in Konsole:
Code: [Select]
#iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.
Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 14 of Wireless Extension. While this program is using version 13.
wlan0 IEEE 902.11-b mode: Auto Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
Encryption key: offIs there something else I should check?
Post by: kahm on May 07, 2005, 12:28:56 am
Post by: iamasmith on May 07, 2005, 06:26:03 am
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Not sure if my WiFi card problem relates to Cacko beta or not or other problem, but here we go....
Have Ambicom WL1100C-CF compact flash WiFi card. Was working OK before installing Cacko beta. Now doesn't connect...
I CAN connect to my home network, if put in my compact flash Socket ethernet lan card.
After trying to connect, I did the following in Konsole:Code: [Select]#iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.
Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 14 of Wireless Extension. While this program is using version 13.
wlan0 IEEE 902.11-b mode: Auto Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
Encryption key: off
Is there something else I should check?
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Are you :-
1. Using the same profile in the Network applet to connect? If different please compare all settings.
2. Using DHCP at all? If so what type of DHCP server.?
3. Seeing the connection status appear on any logs on your AP device, then disappear.?
- Andy
Post by: russell on May 07, 2005, 12:41:25 pm
I've just installad the Cacko ROM and have also found that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF has stopped working. I only have the one profile so there's no confusing there, I am connecting to a DHCP server which works with all other machines without a problem.
I'm unclear to what the Cacko ROM would have changed to stop the card from operating correctly.
Has anyone got an Ambicom working correctly? When I insert the card it is recognised as a Z-Com XI300, is that correct or is that the problem?
Russell
Post by: ArchiMark on May 07, 2005, 02:33:04 pm
Again, my WiFi card worked great before Cacko....have checked all the setup items in Network....
I can connect to my network with my Socket 10/100 ethernet card easily with no problems.
Just remembered one thing that's now missing from the Network app by Sharp....
when you click on the Wizard button, it says that "Internet Wizard has not been installed".....
HTH,
Mark
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Hi,
I've just installad the Cacko ROM and have also found that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF has stopped working. I only have the one profile so there's no confusing there, I am connecting to a DHCP server which works with all other machines without a problem.
I'm unclear to what the Cacko ROM would have changed to stop the card from operating correctly.
Has anyone got an Ambicom working correctly? When I insert the card it is recognised as a Z-Com XI300, is that correct or is that the problem?
RussellÂ
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Post by: mulveyr on May 07, 2005, 05:47:08 pm
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Forgot to mention in my previous post about my Ambicom card that like Russel's card, mine too is recognized when I insert it as a Z-Com XI300 card....
Again, my WiFi card worked great before Cacko....have checked all the setup items in Network....
I can connect to my network with my Socket 10/100 ethernet card easily with no problems.
Just remembered one thing that's now missing from the Network app by Sharp....
when you click on the Wizard button, it says that "Internet Wizard has not been installed".....
HTH,
MarkQuoteHi,[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=78690\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I've just installad the Cacko ROM and have also found that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF has stopped working. I only have the one profile so there's no confusing there, I am connecting to a DHCP server which works with all other machines without a problem.
I'm unclear to what the Cacko ROM would have changed to stop the card from operating correctly.
Has anyone got an Ambicom working correctly? When I insert the card it is recognised as a Z-Com XI300, is that correct or is that the problem?
Russell
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And just to confuse the issue.... I have the same card, and it gets recognized as the Z-COM card - but the Ambicom works perfectly fine, connecting to my Linksys AP, using WEP. No problems with my work AP's either.
Post by: mulveyr on May 07, 2005, 05:49:57 pm
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QuoteForgot to mention in my previous post about my Ambicom card that like Russel's card, mine too is recognized when I insert it as a Z-Com XI300 card....
Again, my WiFi card worked great before Cacko....have checked all the setup items in Network....
I can connect to my network with my Socket 10/100 ethernet card easily with no problems.
Just remembered one thing that's now missing from the Network app by Sharp....
when you click on the Wizard button, it says that "Internet Wizard has not been installed".....
HTH,
MarkQuoteHi,[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=78690\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I've just installad the Cacko ROM and have also found that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF has stopped working. I only have the one profile so there's no confusing there, I am connecting to a DHCP server which works with all other machines without a problem.
I'm unclear to what the Cacko ROM would have changed to stop the card from operating correctly.
Has anyone got an Ambicom working correctly? When I insert the card it is recognised as a Z-Com XI300, is that correct or is that the problem?
Russell
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And just to confuse the issue.... I have the same card, and it gets recognized as the Z-COM card - but the Ambicom works perfectly fine, connecting to my Linksys AP, using WEP. No problems with my work AP's either.
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Though, I just noticed....
I set up a PPP connection for use with my mobile phone. But, the only connections I can use are WIFI - the network applet only shows the WiFi connections, and even when I go into the Network application and select the PPP devices - it won't connect to any PPP configuration. When I click on Connect, it brings up the Network applet and shows only the wifi configurations!
Is this Cacko related?
- Rich
Post by: russell on May 08, 2005, 04:43:32 am
I have a separate Cisco router which acts as the DHCP server, perhaps having a separate wireless AP and Cisco router is something to do with it. Although it has always worked perfectly in the past, before installing Cacko.
If DHCP is disabled in the Cisco router and on the Zaurus, it will connect for about 10seconds then announces:
'No Connection detected. Check your WEP Key settings and/or TCP/IP settings.'
Any ideas?
Russell
Post by: iamasmith on May 08, 2005, 05:14:00 am
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I've been investigating a bit further, my AmbiCom will connect ok using Ad-Hoc, from which I can use Wellenreiter and view my Intel AP; but it is still not possible to connect to it.
I have a separate Cisco router which acts as the DHCP server, perhaps having a separate wireless AP and Cisco router is something to do with it. Although it has always worked perfectly in the past, before installing Cacko.
If DHCP is disabled in the Cisco router and on the Zaurus, it will connect for about 10seconds then announces:
'No Connection detected. Check your WEP Key settings and/or TCP/IP settings.'
Any ideas?
Russell
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If a gateway is specified in the DHCP options it must be pingable, the Zaurus uses this as a comms check and displays that messsage as a general failure sort of message.
- Andy
Post by: slackwaresupport on May 08, 2005, 09:17:29 pm
Post by: kahm on May 08, 2005, 09:53:24 pm
Speaking of which, do we have a status update of how things are going, and what needs to be done next? It's been a bit since the beta release, but things seem to be pretty quiet right now.
Post by: slackwaresupport on May 08, 2005, 11:09:55 pm
1. in a network setup, a wireless network finder to show available networks.
2. syncing.
3. and i guess a final release :>
Post by: slackwaresupport on May 08, 2005, 11:11:41 pm
Post by: FRH on May 09, 2005, 09:01:50 am
Nice Work. The installation is very simple, just follow the "readme".
I've tested my linksys WCF12. I have to inserted it 2 times in order to be taken by the Z.
It works ok with WEP (it's not that secure these days, but...)
Thanks for the good job
F.
Post by: Da_Blitz on May 09, 2005, 09:25:10 am
i understand the modules are a tetsu thing, but i have a 4gig drive: space is no longer an issue so i think it might be a good idea to include these seperatly as an ipkg mabey? or perhaps in the distro itself as half my usb stuff requires hunting for drivers and the modules package that was posted recently has been removed from the guys site (and probely out of date considering the release cycle that tetsu has been keeping up with)
Post by: iamasmith on May 09, 2005, 02:54:41 pm
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I don't think the kernel is patched. I was talking to iamasmith about it, and he said the kernel patches were the next thing to work on.
Speaking of which, do we have a status update of how things are going, and what needs to be done next? It's been a bit since the beta release, but things seem to be pretty quiet right now.
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Yes, the kernel at the moment is lifted straight from tetsu. Maslovsky is doing some extra work now with getting an official Cacko patch set.. I'm assuming this will include wireless extensions necessary for WPA and stuff necessary for packet capture, although it would be daft of me to promise anything because that's down to Maslovsky at the moment.
Sorry that I haven't been as responsive lately, that's a reflection that things are returning to a normal level of activity at work and I don't have quite the same amount of time to put into this. I will keep on it, however, some of the stuff may end up getting fixed as part of the 3K to 1K conversion.
- Andy
Post by: ThC on May 10, 2005, 09:22:03 am
Thank you soooo much for giving my c3000 some other purposes than playing mp3
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Post by: slackwaresupport on May 10, 2005, 10:11:16 am
libcrypto.so.0.9.7 for qtrdesktop
and i think ssl.
i installed the ssl-devel
Post by: Boris on May 12, 2005, 01:09:35 am
It is possible to notify user that after installation of Cacko, his machine is open to the rest of the world via samba (config file lists all interfaces) and ssh ? May be even prompt for initial passwords right after first boot.
Its is possible to have smbpasswd added to the already rich and perfect set of utilities ?
And another, general question: how hard it would be to teach "Network" applet to configure network connections over USB ?
Post by: ThC on May 12, 2005, 11:37:27 am
1,Overclocked (617/247/61 Mhz),2000293,e (for those with flickering problems)
1,Overclocked (617/247/123 Mhz),a000293,e (for those without any flickering problems)
I did not have any flickering problem with any of the settings given
Btw, my zaurus hangs anytime when I try to get directly from the standard clocks to any 600+ Mhz overclocking without making a step @520Mhz ... any idea ? am I the only one ?
Post by: sriley on May 12, 2005, 12:04:52 pm
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0,Turbo,1e2,0
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9
I'm most comfortable with the display at 104MHz because a ) no lockups, so far, and b ) I didn't bother trying to determine whether the lockups were the whole system or just the display.
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Btw, my zaurus hangs anytime when I try to get directly from the standard clocks to any 600+ Mhz overclocking without making a step @520Mhz ...
But I didn't think to try that.
Post by: ThC on May 13, 2005, 06:41:29 am
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1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e
while playing a video
will cause the video to crash after about 1 minute. I've now used the values I've found for approx half an hour playing video without any problem (btw I got back to default clock speed because the bottom of my c3k became quite hot after this time)...
So here are my settings :
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0,Turbo,1e2,0I've kept the "Turbo" setting as it may work well for any other thing than playing video (untested yet)
0,Overclocked,162,0
0,Default (PXA255),161,0
0,Normal,242,0
0,Default (PXA250),241,0
0,Power Saving,121,0
1,Turbo (624/208/104 MHz),2000310,e
1,Overclocked (617/247/123 Mhz),a000293,e
1,Overclocked (520/260/130 MHz),a000214,c
1,Standard (416/208/104 MHz),2000210,a
1,Power Saving (208/104/104 MHz),0000110,9
1,High Power Saving (143/143/71 MHz),0200010b,8
None of the other settings are causing any crash, even using them for a long time ... and the best thing is that the "High Power Saving" setting let me play my old simpsons divx encoded @320x240 @80Kbps full screen
Post by: maslovsky on May 13, 2005, 08:21:58 am
Post by: euroclie on May 13, 2005, 01:24:14 pm
Otherwise, I'm pleased to report that the Qtopia development environment "dev_img-1.6" works great on the Cacko3kb1. I've been playing with it for a few hours, and everything works well (at least as good as with the Sharp stock ROM).
I still haven't been able to make Kismet actually work with my Planex WiFi card (though the card works perfectly to connect to my home network, or various WiFi networks I could (blindly) find... Certainly something to do with finding the appropriate drivers config in Kismet, I'll try to spend some more time on this later...
One last thing: I'm still playing every now and then with my GSM/GPRS EagleTec CompactFlash card, and with tetsu's V18a kernel and modules it still shows the same problem: inserting it will cause the microdrive (socket 1) to go to suspend mode along with socket 0. The card is correctly detected as "Serial or modem", though, and the crash can be avoided by typing "cardctl resume 1" before doing anything else upon card insertion... Are there any significant changes between the Sharp ROM and the Cacko ROM when it comes to CF slot handling? I don't have the /etc/pcmcia/* files from the Sharp ROM at hand to compare with what I have on the Cacko ROM right now.
Post by: ArchiMark on May 13, 2005, 01:34:56 pm
Bugs me every time I notice it...but never thought much could be done about it....
Meanwhile, still haven't been able to get my Ambicom WiFi card working....
Otherwise, all's well with Cacko3K b1/Tetsu 18a.....
Mark
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A (very minor) bug report for Cacko 3k Beta 1: in the Settings tab, the "Receive Data" application's icon legend is spelled "Recieve Data"... Not a big deal, but something that is easily fixed, so I thought I'd let you know!
Post by: euroclie on May 13, 2005, 02:04:47 pm
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Actually, I think it's been misspelled on all the C7XX/C8XX/C3K series I've seen....Well, editing the /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Settings/zaureceive.desktop file and replacing the "Name=Recieve Data" line by "Name=Receive Data" works like a charm on my 3000!
Bugs me every time I notice it...but never thought much could be done about it....
Post by: ArchiMark on May 13, 2005, 02:24:08 pm
Now if you can just get my Ambicom WiFi card working....
Mark
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[Well, editing the /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Settings/zaureceive.desktop file and replacing the "Name=Recieve Data" line by "Name=Receive Data" works like a charm on my 3000!
Post by: russell on May 14, 2005, 08:20:52 am
I can't try and manually set the configuration from a bash terminal either as iwconfig reports 'SET failed on device wlan0 : Operation not permitted.'
I can't su to resolve this issue either as the root user has a password which I don't know!!! I was told in a previous post that there isn't one on the Cacko ROM, but that's not the case on my install!
The Ambicom card is a great wireless card and works fine in my other devices and did in the SL-C3000 before installing the Cacko ROM, it would be a shame to render the card worthless now.
Russell
Post by: russell on May 14, 2005, 08:48:59 am
But the Ambicom still doesn't connect to a Managed AP; now iwconfig replies:
'SET failed on device wlan0 : Function not implemented'
What am I missing!!!
Russell
Post by: kahm on May 14, 2005, 12:30:11 pm
What drivers get loaded after it is recognized? (lsmod)
Have you disabled auto-connect and specifically entered your SSID? Have you tried re-entering your WEP key?
What happens when you try to connect using the network applet?
Post by: chroafjd on May 14, 2005, 05:37:23 pm
To all you senior Zaurus users now trying the Cacko3K Rom: Has there been any break through in getting the C3000 device to sync with a WindowsXP host PC using the english version of the software drivers?
So far syncing with this device has been limited to using the drivers and Qtopia version, which came with the distribution CD.
Thanks in anticipation of any response,
Ashu
Post by: iamasmith on May 14, 2005, 08:01:53 pm
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Dear All,
To all you senior Zaurus users now trying the Cacko3K Rom: Has there been any break through in getting the C3000 device to sync with a WindowsXP host PC using the english version of the software drivers?
So far syncing with this device has been limited to using the drivers and Qtopia version, which came with the distribution CD.
Thanks in anticipation of any response,
Ashu
There are good instructions on the TriSoft website on how to do this.
Post by: Omicron on May 15, 2005, 12:00:24 am
Thanks
Post by: kooie on May 15, 2005, 05:08:13 am
Any help is most appreciated.
Thanks,
Jensen
Post by: iamasmith on May 15, 2005, 05:39:33 am
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Small (and possibly stupid) Question! I have recently installed the C3K, and must thank all who put in hard work to allow us to use it. I can't seem to get the display correct when I swivel it to tablet mode. I get unreadable fonts, like '''ii''''') instead of english words! Funny thing is that all the icons display correctly. Haven't tried it with a wallpaper yet.
Any help is most appreciated.
Thanks,
Jensen
This works fine for me, did you clear the device after installation as instructed in the readme file ?
Any specific steps to reproduce ?
- Andy
Post by: russell on May 15, 2005, 05:49:21 am
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What does the card get recognized as when you insert it?
What drivers get loaded after it is recognized? (lsmod)
Have you disabled auto-connect and specifically entered your SSID? Have you tried re-entering your WEP key?
What happens when you try to connect using the network applet?
Intially the card is recognised as a 'Z-Com XI300 11Mb/s 802.11b WLAN Card', however I have added the following to wlan-ng.conf so that the card is recognised correctly:
card "Ambicom WL1100 11Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card"
version "Ambicom","WL1100 802.11b CF-Card","2.2"
bind "prism2_cs"
The card fails to connect whether auto-connect is on or off, with the SSID entered or not and after re-entering the WEP key, several times.
When trying to connect the card activity light illuminates, and the applet says 'Initializing' for about a minute before the card's light goes out and the applet says 'Network Offline'.
I've also tried switching DHCP off on the AP and entering the details manually in the network applet, but all that happens is it connects for about 15-seconds before replying "No Connection detected. Check you WEP Key settings and/or TCP/IP settings."
Any ideas anyone? What has changed in the Cacko ROM's network services compared to the original C3000 Sharp ROM?
Russell
Post by: Boris on May 15, 2005, 06:55:29 am
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This works fine for me, did you clear the device after installation as instructed in the readme file ?I have similar problem and it is easy to reproduce - launch HancomWord, type some text, select it and then set font to "helvetica/14" via "Format" menu. Any size greater than 12 points gives these funny bars. Please note that I have "qtopia-cyrillic-fonts-1.0.0" installed. Of course, device properly zeroed after installation.
Any specific steps to reproduce ?
Post by: russell on May 15, 2005, 07:44:00 am
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What does the card get recognized as when you insert it?
What drivers get loaded after it is recognized? (lsmod)
Have you disabled auto-connect and specifically entered your SSID? Have you tried re-entering your WEP key?
What happens when you try to connect using the network applet?
If it helps, here is part of the dmesg output, which seems to contain some sort of error:
Prism2 card SN: SN0000000001
linkstatus=CONNECTED
pxa_pcmcia_suspend(0)
hfa384x_docmd_wait: hfa384x_cmd timeout(1), reg=0x8888.
hfa384x_drvr_start: Initialize command failed.
hfa384x_drvr_start: Failed, result=-110
prism2sta_ifstate: hfa384x_drvr_start() failed,result=-110
Any ideas?
Russell
Post by: Glorin on May 16, 2005, 08:32:42 am
I install Cacko3k and X/Qt with debain, run X/Qt, run Xterm push button "/" and see in console "d", then i run xev push again "/" and then "d" and i see same key code 47 and keysum 0x64.
Somebody have ideas how fix that ?
Post by: iamasmith on May 16, 2005, 10:34:41 am
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I have found one intersting thing.
I install Cacko3k and X/Qt with debain, run X/Qt, run Xterm push button "/" and see in console "d", then i run xev push again "/" and then "d" and i see same key code 47 and keysum 0x64.
Somebody have ideas how fix that ?
Use khctl disable before running Xqt or add it to the startx script (khctl enable to re-enable afterwarrds). This is a known issue with PocketWorkstation/KeyHelper/CyrillicInput. XQT xlibs has some code to handle this but if you run a chroot Debian environment you will run the Debian xlibs. Have also tried to fix by substitution with the XQT version of the libs but have found khctl disable to be the best approach.
- Andy
Post by: iamasmith on May 16, 2005, 10:39:08 am
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QuoteThis works fine for me, did you clear the device after installation as instructed in the readme file ?I have similar problem and it is easy to reproduce - launch HancomWord, type some text, select it and then set font to "helvetica/14" via "Format" menu. Any size greater than 12 points gives these funny bars. Please note that I have "qtopia-cyrillic-fonts-1.0.0" installed. Of course, device properly zeroed after installation.
Any specific steps to reproduce ?
OK, I don't have the qtopia-cyrillic-fonts-1.0.0 installed, two things.
i. Are you sure that you have the right (rotated) fonts package installed.
ii. Are you sure that you even need it? This ROM includes all Cacko fonts from 1.22 so the Cyrillic fonts are built into the ROM.
- Andy
Post by: kahm on May 16, 2005, 12:21:45 pm
I was trying to use pico as a text editor, because I hate VI. When you run pico on Cacko and try to delete a line (ctrl-k), you get the undefined symbol: __umodsi3 error. Now, the Cacko FAQ suggests two fixes for this.
1) Install ncurses4. Works fine on the 860/1.22, but not on the 3000/Cacko3kb1
So I tried the second, which was:
2) create an /etc/ld.so.preload file containing /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so
Oops.
Now, my 3k isn't finishing resetting yet, so I'm not sure, but apparently that file doesn't exist, which causes any subsequent attempt to run *anything* to fail.
So don't do it.
So, any other options on how to fix that error?
Post by: Boris on May 16, 2005, 11:23:19 pm
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ii. Are you sure that you even need it? This ROM includes all Cacko fonts from 1.22 so the Cyrillic fonts are built into the ROM.Yes, you're right. Deinstallation of fonts package fixed this problem.
Post by: kooie on May 17, 2005, 12:02:52 am
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Quoteii. Are you sure that you even need it? This ROM includes all Cacko fonts from 1.22 so the Cyrillic fonts are built into the ROM.Yes, you're right. Deinstallation of fonts package fixed this problem.
Hi Andy,
u were right, I didn't reflash the ROM. Thanks. Everythings looks swell. I will be testing with Debian over the weekend. So that should be some fun!
Thanks,
Jensen
Post by: piku on May 17, 2005, 05:58:37 pm
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For all those playing with overclocking settings - remember that overclocking capabilities are very specific to each particular processor. This means that whatever options you find sutable for your own Zaurus may very likely not apply to another one! For example, all original overclocking options posted here by Andy worked for me (in fact I've sent them to Andy after testing on my Zaurus). But they don;t work for many other users here.
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=79586
Yeah I'm pretty stoked.. Mine works in turbo mode and barely gets warm at all. I beat marioworld on snes9x overclocked to 624MHz (but in low rez). Like the whole game.... Several multi-hour sittings.
Post by: socalluckdragon on May 18, 2005, 02:47:11 pm
I get an occasional reset when using Beam Receive. I haven't tried hard to reproduce it and it only seems to reset the Qt interface, not a full unit reboot.
Most recently, had just changed it to start receiving a file when it did it's trick. I've also canceled the file transfer from the sending host before attempting to cancel from the receiving host. That caused a Qt reset.
I'm also using the tetsu 18a kernel.
Other than that, I really dig this new rom. Thanks for the awesome work!
Post by: kahm on May 19, 2005, 04:45:12 pm
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I've duplicated that qtopia crash on alpha1.
1) Clear the Z, throught the Okay menu 3,1
2) On boot go through the calibration.
3) I cancelled the personal info boxes, but I doubt that affects it.
4) I put in a CF card, navigated to it, and clicked on an ipk to install. (In this case the qtopia memory applet)
5) After it installs, I correctly eject the CF card.
6) Go to the settings tab, click on network, click on add.
7) I specified my SSID, used 128bit encryption, and left the other settings alone.
8) Insert CF Network card.
9) Click on connect.
10) Boom! Back to console countdown.
I tried it 4 or 5 times. It didn't happen when I tried installing opera off of the SD card, but every time installing the memory applet off of CF. I'm not sure if it is the program being installed, or something to do with the CF, etc. (I don't think it occurs after just inserting then ejecting the CF flash card - I had to install the applet first.)
But in any case, that 10 steps does it for me every time.
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=7729
Well, guess what's back, this time on 3kbeta1. I had to reset the 3k a couple of days ago, due to that problem with ncurses. Since then the only things I've installed are kmicrokdelibs, korganizer, and korganizer-alarm, v1.2.1-1. I set my wireless options for the first time today and it crashed on the first connection attempt, exactly as before.
I haven't tried duplicating it yet - I'm swamped under this week - but the problem still seems to exist.
Post by: Da_Blitz on May 21, 2005, 09:37:30 am
why not in the next cacko use unionfs, put all esential files in rom and allow users to install programs to home which transperently go to the hard drive, that way you can mount home as read only and not have to worry about anything bad happening to it
i could find refrences to it running under 2.4 online in some articles, ethier that or wait till the openzaurus guys get 2.6 working (we have serial console!)
Post by: euroclie on June 09, 2005, 04:42:42 am
Just a small post to let you know about a potential (small, cosmetic) bug using the Calendar application: when you are in any view (week, day) and tap on an entry, you get to a detailed view of that entry, with a description line, a Date line, a Time line, and on the bottom of the screen a Location line and the Note field. On my 3000, the first line (description) doesnt' display properly. It seems that the "Description:" label is a bit too long, so it is displayed on top of the actual content of the field, and this results in the first character usually missing from the text string displayed right of the "Description:" label.
I'm not sure if this bugs would show as well on the original english-converted Sharp ROM, I suspect it's caused by Japanese labels being shorter than English ones. Not sure either how this can be corrected (basically, either the label is shortened or the data themselves are shifted a bit on the right).
Post by: euroclie on June 09, 2005, 04:59:56 pm
Post by: Stilgar on June 09, 2005, 09:04:58 pm
Post by: kahm on June 09, 2005, 09:18:50 pm
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Okay, am I the only one missing libpcap (for kismet) and libcrypto 0.9.7 for tcpdump?
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=83621
As was mentioned earlier in the thread, many cacko-specific enhancements are missing yet. They'll be added in to the CEFRNR release or the fusion release of 1.23 with Maslovsky.
Heh. Maybe we should skip calling it 1.23 and call it Cacko:Fusion
Post by: russell on June 13, 2005, 03:41:59 am
I seem to have encountered a problem since installing Cacko 1.23beta1, I've only just noticed it and am sure it wasn't always like it; but it seems several programs such as Kino2 and the Sharp MusicPlayer and VideoPlayer are unable to save their settings.
For example the Sharp MusicPlayer fails to recall which folder was open when it previously quit and Kino2 won't save any changes to its preferences.
Is there one folder where all these type of programs store their settings? It may have simply become read-only somehow. Eitherway I'm not entirely sure what is going on and would appreciate some assistance!
Thanks in advance!
Russell
Post by: kahm on June 13, 2005, 09:52:43 am
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Hi,
I seem to have encountered a problem since installing Cacko 1.23beta1, I've only just noticed it and am sure it wasn't always like it; but it seems several programs such as Kino2 and the Sharp MusicPlayer and VideoPlayer are unable to save their settings.
For example the Sharp MusicPlayer fails to recall which folder was open when it previously quit and Kino2 won't save any changes to its preferences.
Is there one folder where all these type of programs store their settings? It may have simply become read-only somehow. Eitherway I'm not entirely sure what is going on and would appreciate some assistance!
Thanks in advance!
Russell
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84024
I use the Sharp musicplayer extensively, and it almost always remembers the last folder played. It seems to lose it if it was on a CF card that was ejected and reinserted, but not always. I usually play stuff off of a 1gb CF card that's always in the 3000, and I don't have issues.
Post by: Jacknife on June 15, 2005, 05:25:36 am
I'm glad to say that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF is properly recognized and functional on C3K - I'm even able to utilize WEP encryption with my home network. Although I did noticed that I needed to use infrastructure mode instead of Ad-Hoc when attempting to communicate with my home network.
I haven't been able to get the Music Player to work. Once I click on an MP3 file, the hourglass icon and the words "Please wait..." will remain on the screen for over an hour. I get the same result if I attempt to launch the Music Player directly from the Multimedia tab. When this happens, Music Player will become non-responsive, and will either need to be killed, or the Zaurus will need to be rebooted. I haven't been able to find any errors logged within dmesg, but I think that I may have a configuration issue.
The USB connectivity worked for most of my 1.0 and 2.0 thumb drives, however one "high speed" thumb drive from DELL wasn't properly recognized by the automounter and dmesg captured some (spammy) errors. I'll try tweaking some settings and will report my findings on this later.
I also attempted to host a Sony digital camera, as well as an ImageTank (http://www.image-tank.com/) portable 40Gb photo storage device. I wasn't really surprised that the Zaurus didn't recognize either of these devices, but I'll post my configuration settings once I get these devices to communicate properly.
So far I'm quite pleased with C3K 1.23b1. I still have a lot more things that I'm wanting to test... Just need to find time to test them all. Again, great work on C3K everyone!
Post by: russell on June 15, 2005, 06:00:43 am
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Okay, I've had a little time this week to play around with C3K 1.23b1, and wanted to report some of my findings...
I'm glad to say that my AmbiCom WL1100C-CF is properly recognized and functional on C3K - I'm even able to utilize WEP encryption with my home network. Although I did noticed that I needed to use infrastructure mode instead of Ad-Hoc when attempting to communicate with my home network.
I haven't been able to get the Music Player to work. Once I click on an MP3 file, the hourglass icon and the words "Please wait..." will remain on the screen for over an hour. I get the same result if I attempt to launch the Music Player directly from the Multimedia tab. When this happens, Music Player will become non-responsive, and will either need to be killed, or the Zaurus will need to be rebooted. I haven't been able to find any errors logged within dmesg, but I think that I may have a configuration issue.
The USB connectivity worked for most of my 1.0 and 2.0 thumb drives, however one "high speed" thumb drive from DELL wasn't properly recognized by the automounter and dmesg captured some (spammy) errors. I'll try tweaking some settings and will report my findings on this later.
I also attempted to host a Sony digital camera, as well as an ImageTank (http://www.image-tank.com/) portable 40Gb photo storage device. I wasn't really surprised that the Zaurus didn't recognize either of these devices, but I'll post my configuration settings once I get these devices to communicate properly.
So far I'm quite pleased with C3K 1.23b1. I still have a lot more things that I'm wanting to test... Just need to find time to test them all. Again, great work on C3K everyone!
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84306
Are you sure you have an Ambicom WL1100C and not an Ambicom WL1100B? Several people, including myself, have not had much luck with the WL1100C and 1.23b, I'm very surprised that yours has just 'worked'!!! Any tips?
Post by: sriley on June 15, 2005, 09:06:25 am
Post by: mulveyr on June 15, 2005, 09:27:10 am
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Hi,
I seem to have encountered a problem since installing Cacko 1.23beta1, I've only just noticed it and am sure it wasn't always like it; but it seems several programs such as Kino2 and the Sharp MusicPlayer and VideoPlayer are unable to save their settings.
For example the Sharp MusicPlayer fails to recall which folder was open when it previously quit and Kino2 won't save any changes to its preferences.
Is there one folder where all these type of programs store their settings? It may have simply become read-only somehow. Eitherway I'm not entirely sure what is going on and would appreciate some assistance!
Thanks in advance!
Russell
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84024
I've had more or less the same problem. Occasionally the /hdd3 partition will become read-only. I've had it happen immediately after performing a resume, but also sometimes when I'm in the middle of working on something, like typing a document in Hancom. It's truly bizarre. I can't find any consistent reason for it.
So I just remount the partition as r/w, and it works fine again, until the next time it happens. ;-)
- Rich
Post by: russell on June 15, 2005, 10:24:16 am
I'll have a look, it may also be related to another problem I've been having with 1.23b in that when I disconnect the USB from the PC after filesharing the Internal Disk (Documents Folder), it unmounts and I've been having to reboot the Zaurus to restore it.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Russell
Post by: Stubear on June 15, 2005, 12:06:50 pm
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The USB connectivity worked for most of my 1.0 and 2.0 thumb drives, however one "high speed" thumb drive from DELL wasn't properly recognized by the automounter and dmesg captured some (spammy) errors. I'll try tweaking some settings and will report my findings on this later.
I also attempted to host a Sony digital camera, as well as an ImageTank (http://www.image-tank.com/) portable 40Gb photo storage device. I wasn't really surprised that the Zaurus didn't recognize either of these devices, but I'll post my configuration settings once I get these devices to communicate properly.
So far I'm quite pleased with C3K 1.23b1. I still have a lot more things that I'm wanting to test... Just need to find time to test them all. Again, great work on C3K everyone!
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84306
I've got a couple of usb flash drives that the maker didn't partition, when I plug them in the automounter fails although dmesg shows that the kernel recognises sda1, sda2 and sda4. (the automounter I use tries to load sda1 only) I can mount manually with sda4, but get a few read errors, but mounting /dev/sda works fine.
Stu
P.S. I'm testing Anton's hostap drivers for the upcoming Cacko for C1K and they work perfectly with my Ambicom WL1100C (I've even been able to turn my Z into a AP - although it's not very usefull unless I have usb network running through my PC, but it's cool to be able to do )
Post by: Jacknife on June 15, 2005, 02:08:58 pm
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Are you sure you have an Ambicom WL1100C and not an Ambicom WL1100B? Several people, including myself, have not had much luck with the WL1100C and 1.23b, I'm very surprised that yours has just 'worked'!!! Any tips? www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84314
I'm sure that my card is an AmbiCom WL1100C-CF card. However, this is my second card. The first one that I purchased was never recongized by my Z (even with tweaking the config files), so I exchanged it on the off chance that the card was bad. The replacement card has worked great, although it gets a little warm after a few hours of surfing.
I don't know if Cacko 1.23b1 erased all of the configurations that I made to get my card to work with the Stock ROM, but I'll try to check while I'm at work today. Anyway, I've gotta bail for now.
Post by: Jacknife on June 16, 2005, 03:55:07 am
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Are you sure you have an Ambicom WL1100C and not an Ambicom WL1100B? Several people, including myself, have not had much luck with the WL1100C and 1.23b, I'm very surprised that yours has just 'worked'!!! Any tips? www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=84314I've been looking around some since I've gotten home and have noticed that most of the configuration files have been overwritten by flashing to C3Kb1, however I did notice one of the old files that I modified was still on the system: /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf
I originally added the following entry to "/etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf" using the information that I noted from "cardctl ident 0" while still on the stock Sharp ROM...
Code: [Select]
card "AmbiCom WL1100 11Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card"
version "OEM", "PRISM2 IEEE 802.11 PC-Card", "Version 01.02"
bind "prism2_cs"I didn't notice any issues with the C3Kb1 versions of "/etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts", "/etc/pcmcia/spectrum.conf", nor "/etc/pcmcia/network.opts". However I do remember needing to edit them on the Sharp ROM in order to get my AmbiCom card to work with my home network.
Please also note my earlier comment about needing to use "Infrastructure" mode instead of "Ad-Hoc" when connecting to a Wireless LAN. Oh, and also make sure that the network is configured as an "Open System" and not set to either "Shared Key" or the "Both" options. (There appears to be some bugs associated with these settings.)
Hope this helps!!
Post by: Bart Beumer on June 18, 2005, 12:37:55 pm
First flash of my device (flashing allway's makes me a bit worried). Everything seems to work fine. Some minor problems though:
1) USB mouse
Absolutely no problem. I've even found out that it is possible to use the right mouse button and the scroll button. GREAT!
2) USB Keyboard
USB Keyboard seems a bit buggy. Keymapping is not OK, but I guess that is due to changed mapping of the zaurus it's own keyboard. Initializing of the keyboard is not completely ok either. Sometimes it won't work (haven't found out a pattern).
3) SSH
SSH is standard on in cacko. This itself is no problem, but the absence of a password for the root account is a security problem. Maybe 2 extra lines in the readme?
3) Wlan Prism2
No problems. here. Got kismet running. WPA would be nice though.
Overall I think this is a very nice ROM for the zaurus. It's without a doubt better than the standard rom. Maybe later I will switch to a ROM that uses X for the GUI, but in the meantime this is very nice
Post by: asola on June 20, 2005, 05:35:53 pm
I have recently had a problem with sudo (kills the APM and you cannot suspend the C3000 after you have installed it) but this seems to be a generic problem, not Cacko specific.
Everything else seems to be working perfectly.
Great work guys !!!
Post by: Jacknife on August 31, 2005, 04:23:44 am
I've been trying to find a way to keep the focus on the Files tab (preferably on the last ipk installed) but haven't had much luck. Has anyone else noticed this?
Post by: euroclie on August 31, 2005, 04:39:42 am
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I've been trying to find a way to keep the focus on the Files tab (preferably on the last ipk installed) but haven't had much luck. Has anyone else noticed this?Yeah, I've noticed this as well. I wish Qtopia would give you more control on that focus thing. Basically, I'd be happier if I could get back to the launcher when I exit an application instead of having the focus set on the second opened application on the taskbar (the first being the application you're exiting). This would make it more similar to other OSes I'm used to (PalmOS, for instance).
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=93867
As for the focus when installing an IPK, I suspect that when you exit the Add/Remove Software applet, there's some sort of refresh done on the launcher (to show the new tab and/or icon for the recently installed application), and this refresh would prevent the file manager to remain on the IPK file (or its directory at least) even if the focus remained on the file manager itself instead of shifting to the second application in your taskbar.
Maybe there's a way to add a launcher icon in the taskbar (or to trick the OS into thinking that one of the running tasks is the launcher), and we'd get a step closer to what you (and I) are looking for?
Post by: akpoff on September 15, 2005, 11:40:29 pm
Seriously, install was smooth. All the applications work very well. My Socket BT Rev G is working, though with fits described below. Also, the 'N' icon in the task bar is always on. I'm sure I've seen somewhere how to turn it off but can't remember for the life of me where.
I have noticed a couple of issues with BT. When I first insert the card the tray icon to connect doesn't appear. I have to enter the Networking application and make my first connection from there. Also, I can't save changes to the speed pull down in the modem tab. The latter probably isn't Cacko related but I mention if someone has some ideas how to fix it. I haven't paid any attention yet to suspend/resume to see how that's working.
Sometime in the next few days I'll try Pocket Debian and load a few more apps.
Aaron
Post by: Jacknife on September 16, 2005, 02:51:06 am
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... I suspect that when you exit the Add/Remove Software applet, there's some sort of refresh done on the launcher ... www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=93870There's definitely a refresh of the QT shell upon exit of the package installer. After thinking a little more about the refresh issue, I'm not so sure that it's related to Cacko.
I suspect that there's some call to Qcop based on the exit code of the package installer. There may be a way to trap that call, and maintain focus on the Files tab afterwards - just need to increase my understanding of the environment/shell. Anyway I think that is now an off-topic discussion, so I'm not going to press the matter further.
Post by: terryleung83 on September 25, 2005, 12:39:37 pm
The Z has crushed several times at the same point
it is about the display with magnified screen
(tap on the icon of some games, and there will be this option)
whenever this is clicked, and i run the app it may crush sometimes(not all the times)
but if i unclicked this , it works!
however, there is always some app work better with this option clicked
the game is here http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk (http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk)
not only this game, but other are the same when the option is clicked , it may crush during the process to magnify the screen
to give it more detail:
pdfReader and the emulator package from cresho also suffer this bug if the option of magnifying screen is selected
also, the opera browser has a bit of relation to this bug...
previously, i have installed the opera 7.55 package(obtain here from one of the thread)
if i run the opera and then turn it off, then i run one of these program with the option selected, it MUST crush
now i change the version of opera back to 7.30. with it, these program dont crush all the time, but they crush sometimes!
Post by: Cyril92 on September 26, 2005, 08:59:37 am
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I am not sure if it is a bug or notThat is exactly what I noticed, and decided to avoid this version .
The Z has crushed several times at the same point
it is about the display with magnified screen
(tap on the icon of some games, and there will be this option)
whenever this is clicked, and i run the app it may crush sometimes(not all the times)
but if i unclicked this , it works!
however, there is always some app work better with this option clicked
the game is here http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk (http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk)
not only this game, but other are the same when the option is clicked , it may crush during the process to magnify the screen
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=96977
Post by: Kerensa on November 24, 2005, 03:42:34 am
I found an instance when the cyrkeyboard and time displays become corrupt. When the Z is open in clamshell and a vertical display app is launched. Rotation into vertical the issue remains. If the app is closed wile in clamshell it returns to normal.
The Z will also reboot in the following case:
1. Z open in clamshell
2. Launch vertical app - backgammon for instance (corrupt keyboard)
3. Rotate Z into vertical closed (corrupt keyboard)
4. Close the app
5. Rotate screen to clamshell
k
Post by: rohanoberoi on November 30, 2005, 10:01:27 am
Post by: elektron on December 20, 2005, 04:48:02 pm
running cacko slc3kb1 now for a few days. my SanDisk ConnectPlus doesn't work. googling it, looks like i need hostap drivers or some such. everything else looks awesome, i like the look and feel better than openzaurus.. bootup time seems faster too.
keep up the good work.
/me awaits the second beta :-)
Post by: piku on January 14, 2006, 01:24:02 pm
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QuoteI am not sure if it is a bug or notThat is exactly what I noticed, and decided to avoid this version .
The Z has crushed several times at the same point
it is about the display with magnified screen
(tap on the icon of some games, and there will be this option)
whenever this is clicked, and i run the app it may crush sometimes(not all the times)
but if i unclicked this , it works!
however, there is always some app work better with this option clicked
the game is here http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk (http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/froot_0.7.1_arm.ipk)
not only this game, but other are the same when the option is clicked , it may crush during the process to magnify the screen
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=96977
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=97083
Installing a newer SDL (like the one with BVDD) might curb this behavior. If you use any SDL applications and you have the slzaurus version installed, that's your prob. I haven't had that crash for a long time now.
Post by: chyang on March 13, 2006, 07:29:08 am