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Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: gabs5807 on December 25, 2019, 06:19:26 am
At the Jolla Blog (https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-sony-xperia-10/) i read the following conversation:

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ghling   on November 20, 2019 at 8:29 am

Any news on the Cosmo Communicator support? With the device finally being in construction and the first batch already shipped to backers (me included), I wonder when we’ll see the first SFOS build for it. The fact that it is mentioned at no point in this post really concerns me.
Does the license offer for existing users apply to the Cosmo as well?
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    James Noori   on November 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    The special offer applies to the supported Xperia devices, as you may see in the table featured in this blog. We cannot speak on behalf of another company, therefore we encourage you to get directly in touch with Planet Computers.

This means, that Planaet should do the first step to get Sailfish on the Cosmo   .

It seems that we have a hen-egg problem here - who do the first step   ?
So what is the way to trigger the Jolla - Planet communication?

On the PDA the first step was do setup a community Port.
But i did not see any actions for the Cosmo, or did i miss something?

Best regards gabs5807
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on December 26, 2019, 07:05:55 pm
Think this just means that Jolla does not want to be the messenger now for Planet Computers.

Given the relationship that Planet Computers established with Jolla regarding the Gemini, I would think they have had conversations about the Cosmo.

It may be that they don't want to discuss it publicly until they have a more definite date for releasing Sailfish for Cosmo.

I would not read more into the statement than this.

Mark
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: gabs5807 on January 02, 2020, 01:04:05 pm
Quote from: ArchiMark
Think this just means that Jolla does not want to be the messenger now for Planet Computers.

Given the relationship that Planet Computers established with Jolla regarding the Gemini, I would think they have had conversations about the Cosmo.

It may be that they don't want to discuss it publicly until they have a more definite date for releasing Sailfish for Cosmo.

I would not read more into the statement than this.

Mark

I hope you are right.
At this mer-meeting (http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2019/mer-meeting.2019-09-19-08.00.log.html) the answer from Jolla - James Noori (Jaymzz) was:

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08:18:15 <Jaymzz> #topic Planet Cosmo Communicator (5 min – asked by  VWrestle)#info How are Developments going for the new Cosmo?
08:18:31 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
08:18:32 <Jaymzz> #info How are Developments going for the new Cosmo?
08:18:47 <Jaymzz> The answer simply is
08:18:58 <Jaymzz> #info We have not announced official Sailfish support for Cosmo
08:19:56 <Jaymzz> I guess we can move on from this one as well

So i'm not shure  

Best regards Gabriel
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on January 02, 2020, 01:44:37 pm
Well, there's always the chance that I am wrong....

 


But we shall see.....

In meantime, I am enjoying my Cosmo....

 
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Artemys on January 16, 2020, 04:42:03 am
Quote from: ArchiMark
Well, there's always the chance that I am wrong....

 


But we shall see.....

In meantime, I am enjoying my Cosmo....

 

...why do they sell Cosmos saying with SF support, if there's no available version for it?... just like in case of Gemini, there also could've been released an older SF version ported for Cosmo, that can be upgraded later... for example SF 3.0, if it is already available.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: idc on January 16, 2020, 07:43:21 am
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...why do they sell Cosmos saying with SF support, if there's no available version for it?... just like in case of Gemini, there also could've been released an older SF version ported for Cosmo, that can be upgraded later... for example SF 3.0, if it is already available.

I'm very much hoping that as soon as they release the Linux partitioning tool that they promised for last week and have repromised for this week in the last update, that those community members who know what they're up to will get properly started on making SF run on Cosmo. In my opinion it runs very well on the Gemini, and is now my main phone. If the Cosmo, with a newer Mediatek chip is capable of running a more recent kernel, then — my understanding is — it might be possible for them to port the full Sailfish X with Android support. I do hope so.

Anyway, looking forward to the soon-to-be-released linux partitioning tool ...
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on January 16, 2020, 08:50:44 am
Quote from: Artemys
...why do they sell Cosmos saying with SF support, if there's no available version for it?... just like in case of Gemini, there also could've been released an older SF version ported for Cosmo, that can be upgraded later... for example SF 3.0, if it is already available.


Actually, if you read Planet's statements, they say that they sell Gemini and Cosmo with Android support out of the box.......and the devices able to run with other OS's such as Sailfish and linux. They never say 'they' meaning Planet will necessarily provide the other OS's themselves. Big difference.

Planet is a very small company with very limited internal resources.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Artemys on January 16, 2020, 03:39:09 pm
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Quote from: Artemys
...why do they sell Cosmos saying with SF support, if there's no available version for it?... just like in case of Gemini, there also could've been released an older SF version ported for Cosmo, that can be upgraded later... for example SF 3.0, if it is already available.


Actually, if you read Planet's statements, they say that they sell Gemini and Cosmo with Android support out of the box.......and the devices able to run with other OS's such as Sailfish and linux. They never say 'they' meaning Planet will necessarily provide the other OS's themselves. Big difference.

Planet is a very small company with very limited internal resources.

heh... well... despite this I am pretty much sure, that a lot of people bought the Cosmo only because Sailfish will run on it. Anyway, I am also satisfied with the Gemini&SF combo (even now I am posting this on the Gemini - btw, @oesf admins, would it be possible to set this page so that it should not need reloading if browsing from Gemini with SF?  )
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on January 16, 2020, 03:50:48 pm
Quote from: Artemys
Quote from: ArchiMark
Quote from: Artemys
...why do they sell Cosmos saying with SF support, if there's no available version for it?... just like in case of Gemini, there also could've been released an older SF version ported for Cosmo, that can be upgraded later... for example SF 3.0, if it is already available.


Actually, if you read Planet's statements, they say that they sell Gemini and Cosmo with Android support out of the box.......and the devices able to run with other OS's such as Sailfish and linux. They never say 'they' meaning Planet will necessarily provide the other OS's themselves. Big difference.

Planet is a very small company with very limited internal resources.

heh... well... despite this I am pretty much sure, that a lot of people bought the Cosmo only because Sailfish will run on it. Anyway, I am also satisfied with the Gemini&SF combo (even now I am posting this on the Gemini - btw, @oesf admins, would it be possible to set this page so that it should not need reloading if browsing from Gemini with SF?  )


I agree that you and I and plenty of other people bought Cosmo or Gemini because they thought that Planet Computer is actually developing and providing us with other versions other OS's to use. But that is different from what Planet actually does. That is point I'm making.

In other words, it is clear there is a disconnect  between what we as users think and what Planet thinks/does......unfortunately, this becomes clear to us users after we purchase our devices....

As for your SF browser issue, unfortunately, not something I can assist with....maybe Varti or speculatrix can....
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: mithrandir on January 16, 2020, 04:40:09 pm
Quote from: ArchiMark
I agree that you and I and plenty of other people bought Cosmo or Gemini because they thought that Planet Computer is actually developing and providing us with other versions other OS's to use. But that is different from what Planet actually does. That is point I'm making.

In other words, it is clear there is a disconnect  between what we as users think and what Planet thinks/does......unfortunately, this becomes clear to us users after we purchase our devices....

As for your SF browser issue, unfortunately, not something I can assist with....maybe Varti or speculatrix can....
Also bought it to run Sailfish in the end and to replace my old N900. Debian will most probably not be usable for the phone use case, I suspect. Well, but knowing the timelines of the Gemini it has been clear that there won't be a Sailfish port in the beginning. At least for Gemini users this should not have been a surprise. We'll have to wait and to do parts on our own to get it running. Well, and to be honest, Planet never have promised more than that.

Hoping to get at least a Lineage OS within reasonable time, to be able to start using the Cosmo as a ((nearly)Google free) phone. Later on switching to Sailfish might be possible.

Anyways, has anybody seen the CODI interface parts needed for the port?
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: idc on January 29, 2020, 03:35:21 pm
The latest Indiegogo update states that Planet will be at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona and hope to show off Sailfish for the Cosmo there. So--although their statement is rather tentative--there are grounds for hope that this is being seriously worked on and will arrive in due course. For me the arrival of Sailfish for Cosmo will finally allow me to put the device to proper use. (And perhaps repurpose the Gemini to a Debian device--or pass it on to my son.)
Cheers,
Ian
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: idc on February 19, 2020, 06:54:23 am
Today's Indiegogo update announces (along with a picture) the existence of an early beta of Sailfish running on a Cosmo. Looking forward to eventual release!
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: SwordfishII on February 19, 2020, 12:11:27 pm
Quote from: idc
Today's Indiegogo update announces (along with a picture) the existence of an early beta of Sailfish running on a Cosmo. Looking forward to eventual release!

Fingers crossed this version of sailfish (unlike the gemini) will support android apps.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Kamikaze Comet on March 15, 2020, 06:25:17 pm
Here is the latest update from this wiki page for Gemini PDA. Sailfish OS for Cosmo suppose to be ported from this build. But even this build won't be finished.
https://together.jolla.com/question/186471/...-and-sailfishx/ (https://together.jolla.com/question/186471/wiki-geminipda-with-sailfish-os-community-port-and-sailfishx/)

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Edit 2019-11-24
This will probable be my last edit in this wiki. We have Sailfish 3 version 3.2.0.14 for a while. Updating to new versions is easy with it. But I cannot see any progress. We still have no alien dalvik for the device, Jolla promised for 'Final phase'. I do not believe we will get it in future. But may be Jolla knows more secrets about it. And other features are still missing or buggy, here a partial list (answer calls with gemini is closed, switch microphone, screen orientation, apps orientation, battery drain with wifi, alarm not working). The device is good enough for playing around with sailfish only, but far from be a daily driver since 1.5 years.

Planet Computers says community will bring Sailfish OS to cosmo, and Jolla says the manufacture must start the process. They were all hoping other people to do the job.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: aard on March 18, 2020, 10:54:02 am
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
Here is the latest update from this wiki page for Gemini PDA. Sailfish OS for Cosmo suppose to be ported from this build. But even this build won't be finished.
https://together.jolla.com/question/186471/...-and-sailfishx/ (https://together.jolla.com/question/186471/wiki-geminipda-with-sailfish-os-community-port-and-sailfishx/)

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Edit 2019-11-24
This will probable be my last edit in this wiki. We have Sailfish 3 version 3.2.0.14 for a while. Updating to new versions is easy with it. But I cannot see any progress. We still have no alien dalvik for the device, Jolla promised for 'Final phase'. I do not believe we will get it in future. But may be Jolla knows more secrets about it. And other features are still missing or buggy, here a partial list (answer calls with gemini is closed, switch microphone, screen orientation, apps orientation, battery drain with wifi, alarm not working). The device is good enough for playing around with sailfish only, but far from be a daily driver since 1.5 years.

Planet Computers says community will bring Sailfish OS to cosmo, and Jolla says the manufacture must start the process. They were all hoping other people to do the job.

Jolla is very thin on resources since late 2015 when they almost went bankrupt, and most of us left. There wasn't that much change since then, and a lot of issues from back then, including a lot of security issues, remain unfixed. I wouldn't recommend running Sailfish on a daily use device, especially if you care about security.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Kamikaze Comet on March 19, 2020, 04:41:55 pm
Quote from: aard
Jolla is very thin on resources since late 2015 when they almost went bankrupt, and most of us left. There wasn't that much change since then, and a lot of issues from back then, including a lot of security issues, remain unfixed. I wouldn't recommend running Sailfish on a daily use device, especially if you care about security.

wow, an insider, thank you for sharing the intelligence.

Planet Computers also only have 9 employees. I think only 3 of them are full time developers. I don't know how far they can go. Most of Android/iOS challengers eventually die out, yet I still purchased Cosmo Communicator hoping this community will continue moving forward little by little.

I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Vistaus on March 26, 2020, 06:53:48 pm
Jolla should first work on refunds. After a couple of years, me and quite a few others are still waiting for the Jolla Tablet refund they promised...
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on March 26, 2020, 07:02:18 pm
Quote from: Vistaus
Jolla should first work on refunds. After a couple of years, me and quite a few others are still waiting for the Jolla Tablet refund they promised...

Yep, but don't hold your breath waiting for it....
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: aard on March 28, 2020, 12:15:12 pm
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: szopin on March 29, 2020, 10:53:32 am
Quote from: aard
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.
The underlying framework (mer) is fully open so can be audited (and I'm sure russians chosing it as their OS for government devices did that and for the UI too, as they have access to all the code) and relying on android drivers+libhybris makes it more secure than normal android device as most android exploits will not work out of the box and would have to target sfos device specifically. But the hype for me is mostly the UI with full linux under the hood, so you end up with a device that is pleasant to use and can hack on it properly without some android-type-bandaids (you can chroot into other distros too if you like I guess)
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: aard on March 29, 2020, 02:02:13 pm
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Quote from: aard
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.
The underlying framework (mer) is fully open so can be audited (and I'm sure russians chosing it as their OS for government devices did that and for the UI too, as they have access to all the code) and relying on android drivers+libhybris makes it more secure than normal android device as most android exploits will not work out of the box and would have to target sfos device specifically. But the hype for me is mostly the UI with full linux under the hood, so you end up with a device that is pleasant to use and can hack on it properly without some android-type-bandaids (you can chroot into other distros too if you like I guess)

Only last year they started (finally) upgrading core components, until then pretty much everything was ridiculously outdated, with a lot of unpatched security issues. Even though they slowly seem to be catching up now, there still is a lot of outdated middleware on there, some of which may not be updated because of them still trying to avoid GPLv3 software on the device. The browser engine probably also is still pretty old, and a good entrance onto a device.

SailfishOS security is pretty much "it's too obscure to bother", if somebody were to look they'd find quite a few problematic spots.
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: szopin on March 29, 2020, 06:10:32 pm
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Quote from: szopin
Quote from: aard
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.
The underlying framework (mer) is fully open so can be audited (and I'm sure russians chosing it as their OS for government devices did that and for the UI too, as they have access to all the code) and relying on android drivers+libhybris makes it more secure than normal android device as most android exploits will not work out of the box and would have to target sfos device specifically. But the hype for me is mostly the UI with full linux under the hood, so you end up with a device that is pleasant to use and can hack on it properly without some android-type-bandaids (you can chroot into other distros too if you like I guess)

Only last year they started (finally) upgrading core components, until then pretty much everything was ridiculously outdated, with a lot of unpatched security issues. Even though they slowly seem to be catching up now, there still is a lot of outdated middleware on there, some of which may not be updated because of them still trying to avoid GPLv3 software on the device. The browser engine probably also is still pretty old, and a good entrance onto a device.

SailfishOS security is pretty much "it's too obscure to bother", if somebody were to look they'd find quite a few problematic spots.

It's true for every device, but obscurity plus the fact even first jolla phone from 2013 is still getting updates is pretty unique
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: Pikku-iikka on March 30, 2020, 04:01:48 am
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Quote from: aard
SailfishOS security is pretty much "it's too obscure to bother", if somebody were to look they'd find quite a few problematic spots.
It's true for every device, but obscurity plus the fact even first jolla phone from 2013 is still getting updates is pretty unique
Jolla is having business with Russians - not under 'Sailfish' brand however. I've understood that these businesses bring new things to older Sailfish systems, too. My Jolla phone - ordered 2012 - still gets frequent updates, rocks on and is in daily use. For work calls only, but anyway. Even the battery is original and keeps power well.
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Post by: aard on March 30, 2020, 11:29:18 am
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Quote from: aard
Only last year they started (finally) upgrading core components, until then pretty much everything was ridiculously outdated, with a lot of unpatched security issues. Even though they slowly seem to be catching up now, there still is a lot of outdated middleware on there, some of which may not be updated because of them still trying to avoid GPLv3 software on the device. The browser engine probably also is still pretty old, and a good entrance onto a device.

SailfishOS security is pretty much "it's too obscure to bother", if somebody were to look they'd find quite a few problematic spots.

It's true for every device, but obscurity plus the fact even first jolla phone from 2013 is still getting updates is pretty unique

You're still getting updates because the way the OS and the build/release process is designed makes it easy to support it. You're not getting updates for the hardware adaptation layer and the android runtime, though - both of which are a security nightmare by now for the original phone.

Making this possible had an initial trade off making a few things harder to implement, especially when additional devices started being introduced, and it was a rather annoying continuous discussion back in 2015 if we shouldn't ease up on requirements and drop the original Jolla.
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Post by: szopin on March 30, 2020, 12:23:57 pm
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Quote from: szopin
Quote from: aard
Only last year they started (finally) upgrading core components, until then pretty much everything was ridiculously outdated, with a lot of unpatched security issues. Even though they slowly seem to be catching up now, there still is a lot of outdated middleware on there, some of which may not be updated because of them still trying to avoid GPLv3 software on the device. The browser engine probably also is still pretty old, and a good entrance onto a device.

SailfishOS security is pretty much "it's too obscure to bother", if somebody were to look they'd find quite a few problematic spots.

It's true for every device, but obscurity plus the fact even first jolla phone from 2013 is still getting updates is pretty unique

You're still getting updates because the way the OS and the build/release process is designed makes it easy to support it. You're not getting updates for the hardware adaptation layer and the android runtime, though - both of which are a security nightmare by now for the original phone.

Making this possible had an initial trade off making a few things harder to implement, especially when additional devices started being introduced, and it was a rather annoying continuous discussion back in 2015 if we shouldn't ease up on requirements and drop the original Jolla.
On the plus side you can freely compile/install newer and fixed versions of all(most?) packages on device (like openssl from openrepos) without waiting for jolla, hal/android is the same situation as with android devices, you are lucky to get updates for a year at most. It will be interesting to see how purism guys will fare with their rolling release and daily updates, sooner or later bugs or breakages will slip through for sure, then again they are not aiming at corporate or gov clients and that might be acceptable for an enthusiast device/OS
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Post by: Kamikaze Comet on March 31, 2020, 01:35:15 pm
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Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.

Thank you for the answer. That explains a lot of things. I'm not so hyped about non-Android linux now.
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Post by: idc on April 01, 2020, 03:37:56 pm
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Quote from: aard
Quote from: Kamikaze Comet
I have a question for you. I honestly don't know the answer. Why are people so hyped over Sailfish OS even if it has security issues like you said?

Open source security fallacy. People have heard that open source can be more secure, but don't understand under which conditions this is true, so it just becomes a "it's more secure because most of it is open source". This is helped by early Jolla advertising highlighting privacy - which was true as long as you didn't add any additional services - and people mixing up privacy and security.

Thank you for the answer. That explains a lot of things. I'm not so hyped about non-Android linux now.

But for some of us the privacy issue is a big one. Many, including myself, don't feel happy with Google's slurp, and Sailfish seems to be the only real alternative. I really like it on my Gemini. I wish it would arrive on the Cosmo soon. To be honest a key reason for me in backing both Gemini and Cosmo was the promise they would run OSes other than Android. I hoped that Sailfish would arrive a bit quicker for the Cosmo, as I assumed much of the hard work had been done porting it for the Gemini. It is disappointing to still be waiting for its arrival on the Cosmo — which has been a factor persuading me not to cough up in advance for the proposed new Astro Slide.
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Post by: idc on April 04, 2020, 09:58:42 am
I understand Sailfish OS was updated to version 3.3.0.14 for Early Adopters on 2nd April. It appears from the release notes that support for the Cosmo is not included at this time. I'm disappointed. I've emailed Davide Guidi to aks whether anyone is working on it to his knowledge. I'll post if I get a useful response.
Cheers,
Ian
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Post by: Vistaus on April 04, 2020, 05:05:46 pm
I know it's a bit offtopic, but since there's no subforum and it has been kind of ported to the Gemini: does anyone know anything regarding the porting of Lumiri (formerly Ubuntu Touch) to the Cosmo? I'd be very interested in running that on my Cosmo
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Post by: idc on April 10, 2020, 11:04:21 am
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I know it's a bit offtopic, but since there's no subforum and it has been kind of ported to the Gemini: does anyone know anything regarding the porting of Lumiri (formerly Ubuntu Touch) to the Cosmo? I'd be very interested in running that on my Cosmo
I'm afraid I don't know anything about that, but I'm interested. Can you or anyone point me to where I could find out more?
Thanks,
Ian
Title: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: idc on April 25, 2020, 06:20:38 am
Davide did reply to me a while ago about Sailfish on Cosmo. His expectation (he wasn't promising anything) was that it might come around mid-May—after various fixes for the Linux towards the end of April.
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Post by: idc on June 12, 2020, 04:25:53 pm
I dropped Davide another query about current timings for Sailfish. Here is his response:

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Things slowed down quite a bit unfortunately, as we received much less community support for the Cosmo Communicator in the past weeks.

Because of this, there is no place to get in touch with the latest information at the moment, this will hopefully change in the future when/if more people will contribute.

We are working closely with one open source contributor to release the next Linux version. The last Debian/KDE version I tested had suspend/resume  when the device is open/closed and Linux modem support, including calls and SMS.

There are a few bugs that needs to be fixed before the release, which should happen in the coming weeks.

The same developer is responsible for the porting Sailfish to the Cosmo, so there will be no progress on it until we complete Debian.

I've reinstalled Android on my Cosmo, just to get a bit of use out of it—but I'm still waiting for the release of Sailfish. (And will also be interested to see the results of their Debian work.) I'm not personally in a position to contribute to either Debian or Sailfish development. (Busier than ever in lockdown, what with homeschooling and the day job.) But I wonder whether more people would be able and prepared to contribute if there was a more obvious way to keep track of what was being done and what help is needed.

Anyway, Davide's report that there is work going on that will hopefully reach us before too long is very welcome to me.
Title: Re: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: kaim on August 25, 2020, 06:47:20 am
So it seems we will not get Sailfish for the Cosmo...
What actualli is a showstopper? They do not have resoucrs or developers for it?
Title: Re: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: idc on August 25, 2020, 04:50:07 pm
Unless you've new information, I would assume that Sailfish is still on its way, but that Davide was a little optimistic in his initial timings. Given how much longer it took for the V23 and then Linux to arrive, and he was specific that work on Sailfish would be worked on only once Android and Linux had been sorted (he explained that the Linux was necessary for Sailfish), my guess would be that we might be due an announcement some time soon. But I haven't written again to inquire and so I've no actual additional info beyond the above supposition and what I wrote earlier.

August is often a quiet month with people away on holidays (not sure whether that has been so true this year). Let's see if there are some more announcements as September gets going.
Title: Re: Sailfish on Cosmo - some Information from Jolla ..
Post by: ArchiMark on August 26, 2020, 09:45:23 am
Given the history of Sailfish on Gemini and now Cosmo.....

Keep your expectations very, very low, and you won't be disappointed.

Mark