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Model Specific Forums => Cosmo Communicator => Cosmo Communicator - CoDi => Topic started by: Kamikaze Comet on March 14, 2020, 02:24:45 am
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I've been carrying the Cosmo Communicator for one week. I think at this moment the CoDi is broken and not gonna work properly no matter what we do.
first of all, this thing looks very laggy. The animation feels like 12 fps. And it crashes and reboots itself all the time. When you unlock your CoDi with your pin, you really are only unlocking the CoDi. It doesn't unlock the phone.
Most importantly, battery take a huge hit if CoDi is on. It feels like this thing drains as much battery as the rest of the system combined. It is ridiculous. I ended up turning if off the whole day. But if it's off, I can't answer phone calls without opening the phone. I know CoDi will automatically turn itself off with the new update, I am having that function on and the battery still takes huge hit.
The CoDi is in such a pathetic stage that it does nothing good.
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It works for me just fine and I find it very useful and quite functional.
One difference in my usage pattern from yours: I unlock using fingerprint, that does unlock the phone.
Another difference: I have the phone plugged into usb port on my computer while at work, and plugged into charger on nighttable while sleeping. So it discharges only for few hours per day when not in one of these two places. Which makes battery disharge non-issue for me.
Regarding self reboot - I think I witnessed that myself only once, and that reboot took less than (half?) a minute, after which it was fully functional again. So even it does reboots more, I does not seem to affect me.
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It works for me just fine and I find it very useful and quite functional.
One difference in my usage pattern from yours: I unlock using fingerprint, that does unlock the pphone
I agree, it's a bit slow but it works well for what it is designed for.
I also wager most people with battery issues have BT/wifi/location/nfc on constantly and brightness maxed.
I get at least a day and a half of moderate usage from mine with codi enabled and used constantly.
I also have huge fingers yet can still dial accurately.
I do get somethings in codi like location randomly turning on but it isn't unusable.
I wish codi allowed viewing mms pictures though.
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It works for me just fine and I find it very useful and quite functional.
One difference in my usage pattern from yours: I unlock using fingerprint, that does unlock the pphone
I agree, it's a bit slow but it works well for what it is designed for.
I also wager most people with battery issues have BT/wifi/location/nfc on constantly and brightness maxed.
I get at least a day and a half of moderate usage from mine with codi enabled and used constantly.
I also have huge fingers yet can still dial accurately.
I do get somethings in codi like location randomly turning on but it isn't unusable.
I wish codi allowed viewing mms pictures though.
Sounds like yours is just as broken as mine. One day use without CoDi only comsumed 30+% battery for me.
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It works for me just fine and I find it very useful and quite functional.
One difference in my usage pattern from yours: I unlock using fingerprint, that does unlock the phone.
Another difference: I have the phone plugged into usb port on my computer while at work, and plugged into charger on nighttable while sleeping. So it discharges only for few hours per day when not in one of these two places. Which makes battery disharge non-issue for me.
Regarding self reboot - I think I witnessed that myself only once, and that reboot took less than (half?) a minute, after which it was fully functional again. So even it does reboots more, I does not seem to affect me.
So it's a quality control issue?
How you unlock it doesn't change a thing. I can also use finger print, it is the same.
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So it's a quality control issue?
How you unlock it doesn't change a thing. I can also use finger print, it is the same.
I do not think its about quality control. First thing to check is your codi version. Mine is v1.1.1.13. My android is 01182020-v19. If any of yours is less than that first thing would be updating. If yours are the same than I would assume it is something in settings. Like duraspeed for example.
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So it's a quality control issue?
How you unlock it doesn't change a thing. I can also use finger print, it is the same.
I do not think its about quality control. First thing to check is your codi version. Mine is v1.1.1.13. My android is 01182020-v19. If any of yours is less than that first thing would be updating. If yours are the same than I would assume it is something in settings. Like duraspeed for example.
Mine was already up to date. I wouldn't call it broken garbage without doing my part first. You can safely assume every Cosmo Communicator owner knows what he is doing.
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It works for me just fine and I find it very useful and quite functional.
One difference in my usage pattern from yours: I unlock using fingerprint, that does unlock the pphone
I agree, it's a bit slow but it works well for what it is designed for.
I also wager most people with battery issues have BT/wifi/location/nfc on constantly and brightness maxed.
I get at least a day and a half of moderate usage from mine with codi enabled and used constantly.
I also have huge fingers yet can still dial accurately.
I do get somethings in codi like location randomly turning on but it isn't unusable.
I wish codi allowed viewing mms pictures though.
Sounds like yours is just as broken as mine. One day use without CoDi only comsumed 30+% battery for me.
Um ok? A full day and another half day on a single charge really isn't "broken" How long do you consider enough, because that is pretty good in the cellphone world.
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I had to delete the latest post from SwordfishII since it crossed the line. Please everyone behave, and try to understand that different people have different expectations from the Cosmo: what could be an acceptable behaviour of the device for someone, for someone else it is not.
Varti
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I had to delete the latest post from SwordfishII since it crossed the line. Please everyone behave, and try to understand that different people have different expectations from the Cosmo: what could be an acceptable behaviour of the device for someone, for someone else it is not.
Varti
Yes sir.
Um ok? A full day and another half day on a single charge really isn't "broken" How long do you consider enough, because that is pretty good in the cellphone world.
It is great for you if you are happy with the result. However, I don't think CoDi suppose to behave this way. The software is clearly broken on mine. And mine is already updated. Planet Computers know it's broken, otherwise they won't need to give us an option to turn it off.
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I had to delete the latest post from SwordfishII since it crossed the line. Please everyone behave, and try to understand that different people have different expectations from the Cosmo: what could be an acceptable behaviour of the device for someone, for someone else it is not.
Varti
What exactly crossed the line? I wrote nothing ridiculous, and if implying someone is the actual problem (with their own insulting words) is discouraged, then someone stating something is "broken garbage," because it doesn't meet their expectations should also not be allowed...
This device works exactly as designed and intended, so no it isn't "broken," and it isn't "garbage"
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It is great for you if you are happy with the result. However, I don't think CoDi suppose to behave this way. The software is clearly broken on mine. And mine is already updated. Planet Computers know it's broken, otherwise they won't need to give us an option to turn it off.
Ok great it didn't meet your expectations that doesnt mean it is "broken garbage"
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Ok great it didn't meet your expectations that doesnt mean it is "broken garbage"
Cool down man. Do not feed [a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages]
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Ok great it didn't meet your expectations that doesnt mean it is "broken garbage"
Cool down man. Do not feed [a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages]
You are right of course, and I will simply add him to the block list. I shouldn't get worked up, but assertions like "broken garbage," is why we end up with the same unimaginative iterations of big screen and slightly faster processor phone with more ram.
I have been waiting for something like this since 2012 when my n900 died and there hasnt been anything close until now (Gemini was mostly computer).
I absolutely admit this device isn't perfect, but it does work pretty well, and the software side is still being improved.
Ok I'm off the soapbox and won't interact anymore. I hope it eventually becomes what he is looking for and if not I hope he finds a device that does meet those needs.
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@SwordfishII:
I have moderated your post since with it the thread was starting to become a list of personal insults. But yes, you are right that it isn't polite to call the Cosmo a "broken garbage", although I understand the frustration when a device this expensive doesn't meet your expectations.
Let's rather focus on what could be the improvements on the software side. I really hope to see a future CoDi update with a smoother UI, for example.
Varti
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@SwordfishII:
I have moderated your post since with it the thread was starting to become a list of personal insults. But yes, you are right that it isn't polite to call the Cosmo a "broken garbage", although I understand the frustration when a device this expensive doesn't meet your expectations.
Let's rather focus on what could be the improvements on the software side. I really hope to see a future CoDi update with a smoother UI, for example.
Varti
The address book in CoDi's phone app does appear to be broken - it doesn't show any contact beyond L for me and this appears to be a common problem.
It also needs to be more discriminating in accepting inputs - I'm hep to the vibe that accepting cover touch input is a feature, not a bug, but as no-one seems to know how it's meant to work it's feeling fairly bug-like at the moment; there needs to be a setting to disable the cover input when the device is open. Similarly, it would be good if it could detect when it is near a face during a call or in a pocket and disable input in these situations - does the device have a suitable proximity sensor?
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@SwordfishII:
I have moderated your post since with it the thread was starting to become a list of personal insults. But yes, you are right that it isn't polite to call the Cosmo a "broken garbage", although I understand the frustration when a device this expensive doesn't meet your expectations.
Let's rather focus on what could be the improvements on the software side. I really hope to see a future CoDi update with a smoother UI, for example.
Varti
The address book in CoDi's phone app does appear to be broken - it doesn't show any contact beyond L for me and this appears to be a common problem.
It also needs to be more discriminating in accepting inputs - I'm hep to the vibe that accepting cover touch input is a feature, not a bug, but as no-one seems to know how it's meant to work it's feeling fairly bug-like at the moment; there needs to be a setting to disable the cover input when the device is open. Similarly, it would be good if it could detect when it is near a face during a call or in a pocket and disable input in these situations - does the device have a suitable proximity sensor?
My phone book has all contacts, but I do recognize that is a common issue.
Agree it would be nice to not trigger touch with your face on a call, Perhaps the screen off setting on codi while in call could only be cancelled by the silver button on top? Since the speaker is on the angled top i make sure that it is on my ear and the body and screen angles away from my face so I don't touch the screen with my face.
As far as the pocket, the screen doesn't accept touch input aside from the passcode/fingerprint when locked so I have never had it trigger anything in my pocket.
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Just keep it civil please & avoid these personal conflicts.
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I've deleted the inappropriate comments.
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I find it strange that people get so worked up over different people's opinions...
Ironically, I think we're kind of all agreeing. Some things work, others don't work so well. Some not at all. Whether you think it is "broken" or "garbage" really just depends on your expectations and your use and your experience. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that it could work better. Maybe some of these issues can be fixed, others may be inherent to the interface it uses and the hardware and not fixable in this version.
For me it's a useful feature that could use a fair bit of improvement. But I like it! Coming from the Gemini, it makes the device a lot more useful as a phone. At the end of the day it is what it is and we should be able to be mature enough to have differing opinions and respect them. It's not like someone is bullying your kid at school
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@Everyone:
We now perfectly know what each of us here thinks about the Cosmo. There's no more need to reiterate that, or to try to convince others that your point of view is the correct one.
From this point on, we'll delete every post containing derogatory comments about other's points of view, whatever they are. If these kind of comments will continue, we'll have to lock the thread.
Again, please keep this discussion civil.
Varti
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I find it strange that people get so worked up over different people's opinions...
Ironically, I think we're kind of all agreeing. Some things work, others don't work so well. Some not at all. Whether you think it is "broken" or "garbage" really just depends on your expectations and your use and your experience. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that it could work better. Maybe some of these issues can be fixed, others may be inherent to the interface it uses and the hardware and not fixable in this version.
For me it's a useful feature that could use a fair bit of improvement. But I like it! Coming from the Gemini, it makes the device a lot more useful as a phone. At the end of the day it is what it is and we should be able to be mature enough to have differing opinions and respect them. It's not like someone is bullying your kid at school
I couldn't agree more with you
Varti
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This device works exactly as designed and intended, so no it isn't "broken," and it isn't "garbage"
CoDi is designed to consume vast amounts of battery and respond so sluggishly as to be largely unusable? Let's be honest here. It is, in its current state, "broken".
Hopefully its performance can be greatly improved through software updates, but it's quite clear that currently, it is most certainly not "working exactly as designed and intended".
Hmm I guess i don't use it. Often.
Sure it can be improved, but that's a far cry from unusable
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This device works exactly as designed and intended, so no it isn't "broken," and it isn't "garbage"
CoDi is designed to consume vast amounts of battery and respond so sluggishly as to be largely unusable? Let's be honest here. It is, in its current state, "broken".
Hopefully its performance can be greatly improved through software updates, but it's quite clear that currently, it is most certainly not "working exactly as designed and intended".
Exactly! Thank you for point it out sir!
I'm constantly on a debate with myself whether I should leave it on when I took the phone out. If I leave it on, my battery gets drained super fast. If I turn it off, I won't know who is calling me, and I won't be able to answer the phone without opening it.
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Thankfully I'm don't have to rely on CoDi recently for some ***censored reasons***
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I won't be able to answer the phone without opening it
I haven't use CoDi after few days of testing after updates. It's still battery drain so I disabled totally.
Rocker switch will work still while CoDi is disabled from Cosmo settings and personally I see from smartwatch who is calling.
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Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I''ve been using Cosmo for several months without CoDi, since the last firmware update failed, and I really don't miss it. Prior to that I found it more annoying than useful.
Most significantly, CoDi seemed to impose a massive hit on battery life, even when I turned it off in the settings (and it always came back on when the phone rebooted). With cover display on, I was generally getting 3/4 of a day on a full charge. I'd usually get a full day with it disabled in settings. However, with the firmware bricked, I'm easily getting a day and a half.
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indeed even with all the latest updates, i found v23 got worse battery than v19 with codi on. that was the first time i was getting less than a full day. turning codi off, and i EASILY get 2-2.5 days of use between charges now.
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I took a break from the cosmo for a good while, after my codi self destructed under its own glass again somewhow. This entire thread did make me laugh. While i dont agree with the term Broken Garbage, if you take a step back from your association with teh purchase and look at the issues posted just in this thread alone, its very hard to make the argument that its working "as intended". All things considered, even within our own little group, tribalism still sprouts its wings and shows its ugly face. I for one came here hoping planet would have ironed out a lot of the annoyances by now. It seems like they've mostly moved onto the next device though :(. :(
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I took a break from the cosmo for a good while, after my codi self destructed under its own glass again somewhow. This entire thread did make me laugh. While i dont agree with the term Broken Garbage, if you take a step back from your association with teh purchase and look at the issues posted just in this thread alone, its very hard to make the argument that its working "as intended". All things considered, even within our own little group, tribalism still sprouts its wings and shows its ugly face. I for one came here hoping planet would have ironed out a lot of the annoyances by now. It seems like they've mostly moved onto the next device though :(. :(
For ME the Codi works more or less as expected, even though it is slow at times (and only take part of my contacts, but I would probably prefer to call from the "inside" when calling from my contacts directly anyway).
(Oh, and I don't really think your Codi has the ability to "self-distruct", unless you think Planet has rigged the screen with some kind of small explosives. One might claim it is poor construction, but there has to be some kind of external pressure to make it crack. That you are not aware of any situation with that kind of pressure is NOT the same as that there has BEEN none...
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For reference, my CoDi randomly hangs, multiple times a day, on the Planet logo, a distorted menu or, more rarely, a distorted logo. Then, it just shows the logo or nothing, until turned off and on again from the main screen shortcut. As I like to keep the brightness down, which it forgets when restarted, restoring that setting, gets boring really soon. As I do keep restarting it, though, I am, apparently, finding it somewhat useful, even in its present state. Or I'm just a programmer, used to things not quite working.
Maybe the update to 1.1.1.15 made it a bit less unstable. I feel like I'm down from about five to three restarts a day. As I upgraded to 1.1.1.16 so recently, I can't say how it performs yet, though I am, obviously, hoping for the best.
My contact list doesn't get cut off, which might be because mine only has 60 or so contacts, with around 90 numbers in total. Maybe there's a limit to how many contacts the (very limited) computer running the CoDi can handle? If so, maybe forcing users with "too many" contacts to pick a first letter and then only show those contacts, would be a feasible workaround?
I do find it bothersome that it wakes up for non-events, such as when Google Play or Airmail merely looks for updates or mail. Ideally, those apps should have their own settings to only notify when they found something, but even then, I'd still like a notification filter (in Android) for the CoDi. For example, while I do want new mail notifications on the CoDi, as there might be a human awaiting my response, I do not want app update notifications on the CoDi, only on the main screen.
I would find it helpful if I could significantly lower the CoDi timeout, from its default 40 seconds, to, say, 10, so non sense distractions, at least, would go away sooner. As it is now, I feel compelled to use the "silver button" to put it back to sleep, whenever it shows something less than useful, which is often. Many times though, it will immediately wake up again, because checking email wasn't quite done or whatever. If I have explicitly told it to go back to sleep, it would be useful if it could ignore that particular type of notification for the next minute or so.
It would also be helpful if the camera preview wouldn't lag so badly. Currently, it appears to show a qVGA (240x320) picture at ~2fps, with multiple seconds of lag. As it can only ever be used for coarse framing, I'd much rather have, say a 120x160 or even 60x80 pixel preview (I mean, look at my avatar, that's 29x29), if that could get me a better frame rate with (much) less lag.
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Well, after using 1.1.1.16 for ten days, my total CoDi Crash Count for that period, is, as far as I can recall, zero. That's a big deal for me, as that actually makes the CoDi, again, for me, quite useful. Maybe it could have a more features and some of the features it already has, could perhaps be implemented in a better way. Still, hearing my phone ring and be able to have a reasonable expectation of the CoDi actually showing me who's calling, rather than just having crashed again, undoubtedly makes my Cosmo more useful.
Edit: A week or two later, I had my first CoDi crash on 1.1.1.16 and, shortly thereafter, a bogus "there's a new version" notification. I have, so far, only had one of those and, maybe three CoDi crashes a week, on average. At one point, I had three in two days, then it seemed to get its act together a bit better again. Not sure what's going on. I'm really only using the CoDi for caller Id and as a clock. The few calls I'm making are always initiated from the main UI and I always read incoming messages on the main screen. Basically I'm using the CoDi as little as I can get away with.
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Well, after using 1.1.1.16 for ten days, my total CoDi Crash Count for that period, is, as far as I can recall, zero. That's a big deal for me, as that actually makes the CoDi, again, for me, quite useful. Maybe it could have a more features and some of the features it already has, could perhaps be implemented in a better way. Still, hearing my phone ring and be able to have a reasonable expectation of the CoDi actually showing me who's calling, rather than just having crashed again, undoubtedly makes my Cosmo more useful.
What, you actually consider it an ADVANTAGE that it works?? Curious... :o 8) ???
To be a bit more serious: It has crashed on me to, on occasion, but no more than the phone itself. So, either I've been lucky, or I'm not running programs that causes (caused?) problems with the Codi. Hope others that have had problems with Codi also finds this last update to solve at least some, and hopefully most of their problems.
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I would have to agree with the author of this post. However "broken" is such an absolute description of the CoDi feature. Rather I'd describe it as "falling short" of the target functionality.
To date I have found that CoDi adds more problems to the Cosmo Communicator than its poor operation does to improve the Cosmo.
It's a shame really, but I am sure Planet Computers had very good intention. However I don't believe they did a good job at the design and planing stage. It appears that they tried to force goals into a implementation that simply couldn't fully deliver. End result was a solution that "kinda" does what they said it would or perhaps what they thought people wanted. As for myself I'd prefer having FEW features working very well than having ALL features half working or not at all.
It appears that CoDi should have been (or was only capable of)... , just that. A simple Cover Display, Brief information to the user without opening the Cosmo. But i just don't understand why or how it ended up like it did.
The lack of response of the touch screen and limits of the display alone should of kept the design goals basic. But yet features like the "camera preview" made it into the mix!
Yes I know that feature sounds fantastic but on an OLED and with a frame rate that would only impress a snail what they hell were they thinking!
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I wish I had found this forum BEFORE I bought my Communicator ;)
I agree with the posts here - I have suffered all the problems the posters have described and now run with the CODI turned off. With a smartwatch, you can see who is calling, so there is no need for it really.
Advantages of turning off the CODI: better battery life (I mean by days) and more reliable without random restarts.