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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Omicron on October 16, 2004, 02:53:11 pm
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Amazon has the 6000L at a great price, which I know is a great deal.
Amazon 6000L link. Please click here as this is routed through ZUG for affiliate dollars. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001W17H2/qid=1097952755/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-6847838-0957440?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846)
The only question I have is "what is the state of support from developers and ROM makers for 6000L"?
I have heard lots of complaints about how the 6000L doesn't play alot of 5x00 software (niether does the Cx00, but to a MUCH lesser extent and ussually not anything I care about much).
I have also heard that the ROM choices are very limited. Is this going to change?
I'd like to hear from everyone; owners of 6000L and the people working on PDAXROM, Cakco QT, and OZ as well as developers in gerneral.....
What's your feeling about the 6000L? I know the Hardware is great but bulky....what I want to know about is the ROMS and compatibility issues now and what is expected in the (near) future.
The price at Amazon is great, but not if development and support from the powers that be (NOT talking about Sharp of course ) is not here or forthcoming soon.
Thanks.
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I have pretty much gotten everything I haver ever tried to work on mine. Though there is sometimes tweaking involved. what exactly are you trying to see if it will work on the 6000?
As far as alternate roms, there are none that I am aware of although supposedly open zaurus and pdaxrom are working on them.
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I have pretty much gotten everything I haver ever tried to work on mine. Though there is sometimes tweaking involved. what exactly are you trying to see if it will work on the 6000?
As far as alternate roms, there are none that I am aware of although supposedly open zaurus and pdaxrom are working on them.
Nothing in particular...Just trying to decide if I want one with...which depnds on level of support (ROMS and compatible existing software).
So you're saying most software fo the 5500 series worked for you ??
What kind of Tweaking are your refering to.....Linux, or GUI changes?
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mostly linux, also sometimes I have needed to change the .desktop files.
Some of the apps are ony 320X240 and those take a while to change the screen size when you load them. Don't know how to fix that.
Don't know anything about messing with the GUI so I guess that I really haven't had to.
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Here are some apps that I have working
kismet
wellenreiter
nmap
gaim
vnc
tree explorer qt
mileage calculator
zbedic
tempconv
kino2
opie reader
dr z video
qpdf2
really need to clean some of this crap out..
Most of these are on the sd card.
Have also been able to set up qtopia desktop over wireless instead of usb through the cradle.
If there is anything in particular you want me to try I will because I love new software.
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How about NES Emulator, QPE Alarm Clock, FreeNote, portabase, Doom2 (prboom) ?
How is the Sync with Windows and Linux?
Are the PDA apps any more polished than the C860 version?
What if anything, did you fin never worked well for you?
Like for example, I have never been able to get Kismet to work properly on my C860, but it worked fine on my 5500...(anyone care to help me with that...a C860 specific URL for Kismet?)
Also, is it true the 6000 only has 64MB (as opposed to C860 128MB of memory) and that the memory is not Flash. If so, what happens when the battery dies, do you have to reinstall anything or do you lose data....I know it has backup battery, but that probably own't last a month in the drwaer with a dead battery. (I know it has flash and non flash, but not sure how this is broken down).
Also the bus speed of a C860 is 200Mhz...Is the Bus speed the same on the 6000L or is it only 100mhz?
Thanks.
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I have th QPE alarm clock working on my 6K. Only oddity with it is that the alarm seems to only work when the "Display with magnified screen" ckeckbox is empty.
I was able to install prboom and get it to start, but I never got any of the controls to work... would get sound and display but then it wouldn't react to any keys, and I had to do a reset to get out of it. I'm still trying to get it to work though. I have also installed znester, but haven't tried it out on any games (I still don't have any CF or SD storage so I'm just going off system flash.
As for the memory, I think the 6k has 64mg NAND so battery loss doesn't matter. But thats just my understanding of it. I'm kinda new to the Z scene and am still learning.
I do have Kismet working fine. I followed the steps in the How-To section. There are steps specific to the sl-6000... mabye that would work for your c860??
I use stupkid's feed at http://www.bryandeluca.com/feed (http://www.bryandeluca.com/feed) for ipks and haven't had trouble with any of them so far. Thanks stupkid!
I can sync to Outlook 2003, but I usually use qtopiadesktop.
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Ihave prboom running fine on my 6000 with ultimate doom wad and the midi background music with timidity. Took a while to get the controls mapped to my liking.
These are the files I used to get prboom working.
libSDL_1.2.6-zports-5_arm
libSDL-net_1.2.5cvs-1_arm
lib SDL-mixer_1.2.5cvs-1_arm
prboom_2.2.3-2_arm
Installed znester the other day to try it out. The 3 or 4 NES ROMS which I tried worked.
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Just tried portabase and freeenote qt and they both work. Although I don't know how to use them worth a damn.
You don't lose data or programs if batteries die and it is 64mb.
Windows synch works fine. I only sync with qtopia desktop for the pim stuff.
Where can I find the nes emulator you refer to, that sounds like it might be a challenge that I would like to try.
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I have a 6000L and a 6000W and am in the same boat when it comes to support. I don't see a whole lot available right now, but I expect the ROMs to start working within the next couple months. I will probably get involved in ROM development and application porting once I get a chance to build a development environment. In short, don't worry about it; especially since the 6000's are now available cheap, more folks will start picking them up and hacking.
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Where can I find the nes emulator you refer to, that sounds like it might be a challenge that I would like to try.
Here you go:
NES Thread - Emulator and ROM LINKS (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6790&hl=nes)
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It runs, but it is not right
For example if I type snes9x -xs 640 -ys 480 rom.zip
It looks correct except it is in landscape and if you are holding the sl-6000 that way it takes only the top left corner of the screen.
Perhaps I don't have the right libsdl for the 6000, don't know
Also left is right and right is left on the keypad.
if I type snes9x -xs 480 -ys 640 rom.zip it is displayed portrait but all messed up looking
Any ideas anyone??
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tried znester and it works fine.
but i want snes9x to work
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SNES wasa little tougher.
Created do.sh file and put it in /mnt/card/snes (execute privand own by root)
Contents:
snes9x -hi -x2 -xs 640 -ys 480 <ROM.ZIP (with no_path, since ROMS are in same dir as do.sh) >
This is for a C860, but shoudl work with 6000L when swapping the 640 and 480
Note, I then jsu added an Icon (in System->TabSettings under games) and gave it a icon and the program name was simply do.sh (no path).
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sweet that works, now to figure out what file has the key mappings
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You need hardware key mappings:
http://externe.net/zaurus/modules.php?op=m...order=0&thold=0 (http://externe.net/zaurus/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=20&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)
next challenge: cross compiling dgen and running zpce the same way.
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tried znester and it works fine.
but i want snes9x to work
I'm trying to run znester through zemu on my SL-6000 and the directional keys are reversed? Is yours like that? How are you running it?
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I have been using OpenEmbedded (http://www.openembedded.org) to build Openzaurus roms that can uses either GPE and OPIE...I even used the build system to create my own distribution based on openzaurus-3.5.1...
OPIE is almost ready for a realise while GPE still needs some work before most people will be able to uses it....though with either I have been able to pull most ipks from teh openzaurus feed and uses them...a few segfault but most work...
So with a few more people work on OpenEmbedded, OPIE, GPE, and or PdaXrom we would have lots of stuff work for the SL-6000...
I am right now enjoying the fact I can choice between Opera, Konqueror,, or Firefox as a webbrowser and, opie-mail, OM/PI, and thunderbird for email...
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I have my roms in /mnt/card/roms/znester/
so in /home/Qtpalmtop/bin I have a script for example Dkong.sh as follows
#!/bin/sh
export S9XKEYS=27,100,99,115,120,97,122,13,32,103,106,117,110,121,98,105,109
export S9XKEYS=27,290,291,292,294,293,122,13,32,103,106,117,110,121,98,105,109
export SDL_ROTATION_QTE=0
export SDL_ROTATION_SDL=0
znester /mnt/card/roms/znester/DonkeyKong.nes
Don't know how to fix it with zemu but this script works to fix the keys
Also don't know how to make it bigger on the screen
Obviously you need a new script for each rom.
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You made 2 mistakes copying the script: the octrope (#) means the line is a comment (an old version exactly) and shouldn't be used, and the script is for snes9x :-)
Maybe someone familiar with znester can help you. I'm more on the genesis/turbographx 16 kind :0)
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mostly linux, also sometimes I have needed to change the .desktop files.
Some of the apps are ony 320X240 and those take a while to change the screen size when you load them. Don't know how to fix that.
Don't know anything about messing with the GUI so I guess that I really haven't had to.
If you use the Sharp rom on the 6000, you can edit the appications .desktop file and add this line to get it to show at normal resolution:
Display=640x480/144dpi,480x640/144dpi
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Afaik that one has no WiFi. The 6000W has. If no wireless anyway, I'd better pick the clamshell one. The 6000 is 15 cm long
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Afaik that one has no WiFi. The 6000W has. If no wireless anyway, I'd better pick the clamshell one. The 6000 is 15 cm long
The 6000L (from Amazon) has WiFi but no Bluetooth. The 6000W has WiFi and Bluetooth (only available in Japan). The 6000N has neither.
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State of support:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5438.html (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5438.html)
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Amazon jut raised thier price and now thow in a $5 SD card
SD is so cheap now that it isn't worth buying anything less than a 512MB
I would think better deals will come from Ebay in the near future as those whogot them for the lower price, decide to sell them (although I am sutre most will keep thiers, there is always buyers regret....ort we can hope !)
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State of support:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5438.html (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5438.html)
I was refering to "state of support" in ZUG and the like.
Sharp never supported thier products when they "Officially" were 1000% percent behind them. (It was more like 1000 miles behind them).
Losing Sharp support is llike losing a Pocket PC....no big loss.
Heck, at least half of us are running clamshells that were NEVER supported by Sharp in US (or anywhere but Japan) and are quite happy.
I just want to make sure I will be equally happy with the 6000L. At today's prices it seems almost silly NOT to buy one....I think they will sell out in US and we will only have Japan market with approx $800-$1000 price tag. So even though I plan to keep my C860, having a 6000L while the price is soooooo nice is very tempting. Not as good as the old price (that only lasted a few days), but still very nice.....even some reasonable prices on Ebay as well.
My guess is that less than a month from now, many of us will be wishing we snagged one while they were "liquidating" the US market. All that will be left is a trickle on EBay at pre-liquidation prices.
Now if only the Sleds would come down to $50 or so...then we would be kicking !!!!
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Skoorb,
going back to one of your early postings on this thread, did you have to do anything special to have Kino2 working on the SL-6000L.
I just installed it and it doesn't work. I don't get any errors during installation or when I launch it. When I try to open a movie through the "Open" command in the "File" menu nothing happen, the player stays there doing apparently nothing... The files are MPEG1 encoded.
I have had the SL-6000L only for few days, I don't have many additional programs installed, so I don't think it is a conflict somewhere.
Just in case, this is what I have installed. All of them work:
Backgammon
Freenote
Hancom Presenter
Opie-reader
Qpdf2
Qpe Filemanager
Qpe Terminal
Any hint?
Thanks, Paolo.
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You all probably read this statement?
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9207875529.html (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9207875529.html)
cheers,
vishnja