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Cxx0 General discussions / Difference Between A Rom Update And A Nand Restore

« on: March 30, 2005, 05:20:49 am »

Thanks for information!
About two weeks ago I have seen:
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~rimemoon/zaurus/memo_006.htm
and I have done translation using:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr  .
I think that I can all understand
(eg: addresses where dd do not work for mtd1, kernel file suitable for "memory map"), but:
1)maybe someone who speeks in both languages could do better translation?
2)this page is from 2003 and seems to be that more is known -
maybe an Expert could send for us this "secret" information?

I am looking for "a good disassemler" for arm-ELF files(I think that Experts do not like to talk
to ordinary users ....),
maybe someone could give "a good link" for it?

Maybe someone know something about structure of paraminf.bin
or have source modparam.c? (I am looking what the program modparam do
with paraminf.bin-file....)

Maybe someone knows something about verchg (more that verchg --help)?

Thanks in advance
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Rom 1.22 Lite Is Available!

« on: March 29, 2005, 07:07:47 am »

Hi,
I had also troubles with Cacko-feed (but Anton helped me much  )
1)take script given above by Stupkid
2)get all the feed (using this script) on hard disk of a PC-computer (computer
which is on the Internet)
3)copy all the feed to cf/sd-card (using a card-reader)
4)install apached (on Zaurus, from the taken feed)
5)configure ipkg

After this I have all the feed in my Zaurus (all was working a month ago,
I did not try newer versions of the feed).

To Anton M:
plese help me with patches to your kernel - please do not forget  

Janusz

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Cxx0 General discussions / Difference Between A Rom Update And A Nand Restore

« on: March 16, 2005, 06:12:23 am »

Hi,
where to find all information about nandlogical and boot-process?
nandlogical:
1) the second argument always is READ or WRITE?
2)if I copy from device mtd1 at address 0x70000- what I get?
(or maybe full map of /dev/mtdX )
3)which mtd's are logical devices and which aren't?
4)Is always secure (for zaurus) to test with nandlogical when reading?
(I have never used nandlogical yet)
boot-process:
where to find full description?
where are located kernels (Sharp and this one from Cacko)-
maybe it is possible to mount /dev/mtdx and copy Sharp's kernel to cf card?
(I am using Cacko 1.22 on C860)
Thanks in advance
Janusz

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Zaurus - pdaXrom / New pdaXrom installer (to have just Root partition)

« on: March 16, 2005, 06:09:11 am »

Hi,
where to find all information about nandlogical and boot-process?
nandlogical:
1) the second argument always is READ or WRITE?
2)if I copy from device mtd1 at address 0x70000- what I get?
(or maybe full map of /dev/mtdX )
3)which mtd's are logical devices and which aren't?
4)Is always secure (for zaurus) to test with nandlogical when reading?
(I have never used nandlogical yet)
boot-process:
where to find full description?
where are located kernels (Sharp and this one from Cacko)-
maybe it is possible to mount /dev/mtdx and copy Sharp's kernel to cf card?
(I am using Cacko 1.22 on C860)
Thanks in advance
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 15, 2005, 12:06:46 pm »

Bryan,
thanks

1)where to find describtion of nandlogical (and others this type programs:nandcp,...)?

Try searching the forums:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=S...ite=nandlogical

2)where to find all information about boot process?
(mtd-devices, programs to grab and read contens of zaurus like romburst,etc)

Try searching the forums...


but I have already searched this forum.
Here are very few information about nandlogical.
Do you think that here are ALL KNOWN information??? (and nothing more is to find?)

Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 15, 2005, 11:55:21 am »

Thanks Bryan,
I will search.  

3) What a Thing encodes updater.sh?
(in this stage of booting updater.sh is in the shell-script form on
/tmp/update/; exact the same as in Cacko distribution)

"I should be able to find the utilty for this, but I'm not home at the moment."

I can encode/decode updater.sh (encsh.c or so).
I would like to know where in Zaurus is located "a Thing = a utility" which
encode/decode this file.
And from where peoples (sash?) get enctab[] for encoding?
The same forum?

Thanks again
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 15, 2005, 06:34:07 am »

Hi Experts  (where are you  ).
So somthing "like talk to yourself".
2)Yes. Nandlogical is seen when you start Linux as if you want
to flash Cacko, but you take console  (not "Flash repartition" or "Install new Rom").
In this "stage of booting" runlevel is 6.
1)Next, copy nadlogical to the sd/cf card (which is mounted)
4) This is exactly the same ELF-file which can be catched on the Internet

And now next questions:
1)where to find describtion of nandlogical (and others this type programs:nandcp,...)?
2)where to find all information about boot process?
(mtd-devices, programs to grab and read contens of zaurus like romburst,etc)
3) What a Thing encodes updater.sh?
(in this stage of booting updater.sh is in the shell-script form on
/tmp/update/; exact the same as in Cacko distribution)
4)Where are located KernelSSSSSSSS???
(in this stage uname -a gives date: 6Nov 2003 09:29:23 -
so it is Sharp kernel, not this by Anton from Dec 2004).
From this follow that both kernels are in Zaurus- where?
(I do not like hidden things  )
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 15, 2005, 05:59:20 am »

Thanks:
tg - for your point of view;
Stu- for next link .
I will send a few words about sorces in a few days.
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 14, 2005, 04:21:08 am »

Hi  

bor, I'll check the kernel patches some time this weekend. As far as I remember all of them should apply properly.
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please do not forget

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 11, 2005, 07:35:03 am »

Hi,
1)does anybody know where resides (in zaurus)
nandlogical
?
2)Is this accessible only in some stage of booting?
(I have seen that other readers are using this -
they are really brave  ).
3)If it is ROM (realy read-only not Zaurus writable-Rom)
where can I find documentation from Sharp
for nandlogical? (this shoudn't be connected with
Troll Tech licence, I think).
4)How to etxract from zaurus (or compile) to get
ELF-file nandlogical?
(I have catched somewhere on the Internet, accidentally of cource,
ELF-nandlogical, which I am keeping far away from my zaurus  ,
for the time beeing  ....)
Please, give me actual links or information.
Thanks in advance
Janusz
PS
In UNIX some peoples often say:
"look on the Internet, or look in man page".
1)I wouldn't become an expert "in unbricking" so I do not want to use
an old information from Internet - I will waite for expert's opinions.
2)zman is almost empty  
3)I usually read man pages when I all know for given topic

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 11, 2005, 06:56:26 am »

Stu,
I am very sorry (to everybody).
But a week ago I was sure that there is a set of sourcec packages somewhere.
(Maybe not straight way, like script by Stupkid, but I did not expected that
sources are not accessible at all).
(I think I was "a little like an elefant in china collection" - sorry once again)
Now, due to answers by Stupkid and you (and lack of other's answers),
I know that there is no set of sources.



"
This forum has a huge wealth of knowledge about the zaurus and qtopia but it doesn't always have all the answers - sometimes you have to look somewhere else. However the people here are usually very good at giving useful pointers and links when asked.

Check out openembedded - www.openembedded.org - their cvs has almost all the source that is freely available for opie/qtopia and zaurus apps.

Stu
"
Thanks  - I will try.



"
I agree with you about the availability of source and think that ipks control file should include a license field that states what license the app is released under.

"

I could imagine that if there IS a set of (very fine) compiled packages there is also
a set of sources packages, there are *.tar's of needed libraries and so on...
And this why I gave my answer about google - sorry!
On the other hand I can imagine (very easy   ) that hard working Maintainer
do not "like" to have sources in the form readable to others
(I think that this could take much time of administrative work).

But, I am intresting how many Cacko-Users have compiled from scratch eg. vim?
(except maintainers). (from scratch: 1)get sorces- eg. from debian, 2)using GOOGLE
get all others needed files-eg. libraries, 3)make arm-ELF)
??
It is possible but if someone has already done it - why others should do the same
things again?

I have compiled the kernel because on the Cacko-page are all needed links
(patches- my mistake) but I think that other packages is not so simple
(maybe I am wrong?).





"
My refernce to "having others do the work for you" was not directed at coding - I think it is silly to reinvent the wheel - but at your reluctance to "google". It sounded like you expected to get all the source and all the instructions without doing any reading yourself. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.


Stu
"

I am sorry.
Google - example(I was looking for updater.sh).
1. Townsends "copy updater.sh to cf"
2.AM said that this is coded shell script - now it was possible to find something
(so I will have next questions   )
3.Russian letters  
everybody can test if has correctly installed fonts -
simply go to http://cacko.biz/~sash
and take a dictionary (printed version).
If you find words from this page in the dictionary all is ok,
if not - you should reinstall your fonts.
(Mine are ok - this is inactual address - I stated this after Alt+F updater.sh  )
Thanks for great help
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 10, 2005, 06:22:50 am »

Hi Stu (once again)  
do you know any reason to do things that
was made by anothers ? (if these "things" are not "top secret" ?)
Thanks for your great help  
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 10, 2005, 06:10:01 am »

Sharp does NOT have to give you the source (and most probably will not) for any apps they created using their version of qtopia. They bought qtopia from TrollTech so they don't have to relaes anything that wasn't already GPL.

They are quite good about releasing stuff that is GPLed (although they can be a little slow).

Also just because something is available in the Cacko feed doesn't mean it was compiled by the cacko team. A lot of people have supplied stuf to cacko and the cacko team are very active in searching the net for new and interesting apps to put in their feed (and not all of those apps are or need to be GPLed)



Stu
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Tnanks for explanation  

If you want a specific apps source then contact the author/maintainer of that app, you will have better luck and get better instructions on compiling it than just posting here.

I will try, thanks  

Being open source doesn't mean others have to do all the work for you

I did not ask anybody to do the work for me....
But, if someone has done a fine package for Cacko (or for other Linux-distribution)
and his point of view is:
"only I will this compile, the sources are mine; if you want something to change
in MY package you should do all from the scratch" (or something similar) -
I think such a Package-Author shoud annouce this.
Maybe a big banner" Hands of MY Package"
If such information would be known for everybody (maybe in Package file - "secret/top secret/etc")
then every user could decide if he want to use this package.

Cacko is a set of excelent packages (I think) and many Authors have done great and tedious work.
However, it was very strange for me that i cannot find sourcec
(if someone wants to destroy   a given package - why not?). Now I know (from you
   ) about TrollTech licence and Sharp's point of view.

However, "hidden sources" will always strange for me and unusual in Linux.
Janusz

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 10, 2005, 05:12:53 am »

Thanks Anton  .

"As far as I remember all of them should apply properly."
this is why I think that I have done a big mistake

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Sharp ROMs / Cacko Feeds

« on: March 09, 2005, 11:57:24 am »

Janusz,

Just curious... why are you after the whole source for cacko and everything contained in it?

Matt
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Hi Matt,
maybe we should to debug all the starting procedures in ROM?
What do you think?
Janusz