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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Full Debian Linux On Zaurus Sl-5500 Etc

« on: October 01, 2005, 07:00:13 am »

Koen is not a native English speaker, sometimes he comes across as being a bit rude, I don't think this is necessarily how he should be interpreted (though in some cases I can see why he might be being brusque).

This is not true, Koen has shown a excellent grasp of the english laguage so far in his postings, they are grammatically correct and his statements should stand.  I myself am not a native english speaker but i still stand by my statements.

His arrogant attitude is one reason why i am very reluctant to try GPE or anything he is involved with,He makes Derek Smart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart look like the most curteous guy in the world.

I am very respectfull of Mikeyl and other guys who are kind and mature enough  to reply to our queries without a haughty, pubescent pimply faced youth  type of attitude.

If you see his posts the majority of them are rants and raves at some unfortuante person, IMHO he is doing more harm to opie/gpe than the good he has done.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Full Debian Linux On Zaurus Sl-5500 Etc

« on: September 22, 2005, 07:44:18 pm »

using jffs2 on CF card is actually slower and will destroy the cards faster. Ext2 without -noatime would be the best choice.

The above statement defies logic. JFFS2 includes wear limiting features, and compression as well  so tell me how on earth it can cause a flash memory card to destroy faster than a file system like ext2 without wear limiting or compression?

Just point me to a link were someone has done a research which shows that jffs2 on a flash memory card (CF or MMC) wears the card faster than ext2?

JFFS2 will be slower since it includes compression, but it is hard to beleive that it will destroy a flash memory card than other filesystems which do not have non wear limiting and compressio.

Grendel

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / What Is The Status Of Kernel 3.5.3 ?

« on: July 27, 2005, 01:36:43 pm »

Que? Bugtrackers are meant for that. How should I (or any developer) know about every forum in the world, where people *might* be posting bugs? I'm not against people discussing bugs and solutions on forums, but it seems that this forum has a reputation of not using bugtrackers and whining about stuff not getting fixed. I've heard several times 'this is such an obvious bug, I'm not going to submit it' and discovering that the bug is unknown to the maintainer in question. Even worse, everytime someone mentions 'bugzilla' or 'mailinglist' he (or she) gets snide remarks about forums being the absolute solution and developers are obliged to check the forums. I certainly didn't sign any contract stating those terms. But then again, I don't bite the hand that feeds me either, as you just did.
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1. First of all there is no need to check every form on the world, this is THE forum for zaurus developement.

2. I never meant that forums are a absolute solution, i just mentioned that just because a user posts about a bug he/she has encountered to the forums, there is no need for you to blow a gasket and start lambasting the poor person as you have done repeatedly and consistently in the past.  Gentoo forums are a example where bug reports are frequently discussed, and it is tolerated. POssibly there are more mature developers on those forums.

3. I didnt mean obliged in the sense as a contractual obligation (english is not my first language, so there maybe errors in my wording), we all do this for fun and not for profit,  to take pride in what we are doing, so we as developers should be happy whenever a user has a problem and try to help him, instead of foul mouthing him. Otherwise OZ will forever remain a geeks tool, because every newbie gets foul mouthed off the list by you, just see the response most of the people who get blamed by you give, they are understandably confused and hurt, and you are possibly doing more harm than the considerable amount of good work you have done.
 
4. You seem to like to continue to show your swollen headedness, I did not "bite the hand that feeds  me". I have a several choices, i can use the sharp rom, i can use pocket workstation (as i am doing), i can use the excellent pdaxrom,  i can use the excellent qtopia beta rom, so just dont imagine that you are the only "hand that is feeding me" :-)

5. If you cant control your attitude, then just keep quiet stick to developement, and let other people who are more curteous tell the people with problems what to do in a nice curteous manner.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / What Is The Status Of Kernel 3.5.3 ?

« on: July 27, 2005, 11:22:32 am »

As your post is absolutely worthless as a bug report (no problem description, no version info, etc):

http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/06/30...-kernel-update/

use that and file a bug in the bugtracker (bugs.openembedded.org) if problems persist, instead of expecting the developers to check every forum in the world for problems. If you don't want to file bugs in the bugtracker, you don't have the right to complain
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Koen, first of all i have observed your postings to people with problems and it is clear to all that you have a attitude problem, or are a fool with a throbbing hydrocephalic head.

First of all forums and mailing lists are for discussing bugs too, it is a place where developers are gathered and can centrally discuss problems people have. People are perfectly permitted to post bugs to this list and should not be discouraged, developers are duty bound to check forums too for bug reports. Otherwise please tell me why as a developer are you on these forums, is it just so that you can redicule people to boost your ego?

Lastly you would be wise to learn of people like mikeyl  who are allways curteous to people with problems, just see the respect  he has from people.

So change your attitude and try to understand people with problems instead of acting like a Derek Smart clone and insulting your users.

[a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart[/url]
http://www.werewolves.org/~follies/archive...meWarAbout.html

Cheers!

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Email Application For Gpe

« on: July 27, 2005, 11:04:26 am »

returning to the Zaurus 5500 after a 9 month spell and flashed the new image with GPE.

Is there an email or PIM application available?

All i need the Z for is browsing and email
many thanks
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For X based low resource systems what i would suggest would be,
email - use sylpheed , it is the best email client in terms of features for a low resource environment
browsing - you can use dillo, it is very fast and light on resources.
Just forget about mozilla and firefox etc, you can get them to run but the speed is horrible.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / 3.5.3 Upgrades

« on: July 17, 2005, 08:25:02 pm »

It is not misleading, it is the simple truth, debian/ARM uses hardfloat which you can't mix and match with softfloat. That it works out in your situation is a matter of luck.
Since you state gpe is so buggy, I assume you have filed bugs in the gpe bugzilla (http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/) for the bugs you found?
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I dont think it is due to luck, as you can see pocketworkstation runs in a chroot environment, thus it uses its own libraries libc etc, which is probably why it avoids this softfloat incompatibility.

About GPE being buggy, well most of the bugs that i have discovered are showstoppers like the login anomaly, apm being disabled ie:the suspend resume bug(not specific to gpe i admit), generalised instability, inability to control the birghtness reliably on my 5500 (OPIE does it perfectly) and because these are major bugs they have already being submitted by some kind fork, thus i dont see any need to duplicate the bug postings.  

IMHO if you want to run X based applications, then the best ROM is pdaxrom, the next choice is to run debians ARM based distribution in a chroot environment using pocketworkstation, you can have most desktop software including mozilla too running on your pda this way :-). GPE has come a long way from the almost demo releases sometime back, but still has a lot to go to get to at least the pdaxrom quality.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / 3.5.3 Upgrades

« on: July 17, 2005, 03:22:21 am »

Please note that OZ isn't compatible with debian/ARM due to softfloat.
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This statement is misleading. Debians ARM repository is perfectly compatible with OZ, you can run the entire debian repository using pocketworkstation <http://pocketworkstation.org> in a chrooted environment.

I use pocketworkstation for my computing needs as i need a X environment, and GPE is too buggy and flaky, so i just use pocketworkstation, oz is just a bootloader for me.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Oz3.5.3 (collie) On/off Button Problem

« on: June 21, 2005, 10:31:55 am »

I'm sorry, but I don't think that will change anything. At the moment, we don't have any developers left to look into the suspend/resume issues. I'm afraid that someone outside the core team will have to look into this bug.
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What is surprising is why this bug should creep in to OZ in the first place. This bug has not been in previous versions upto know.
The problem should be easy to trace,  its either a kernel bug or a bug in one of the programs that are running from the  filesystem(s).
 
Its unlikely that this could be a kernel bug, as i am assuming that no one has done any changes to the ancient kernel 2.4.18-rmk etc which is in use on collie for a long time. So if we use the same kernel that is used for a previous OZ release (3.5.2) we should be able to see if the bug occurs in it too.

I unfortunately have only a single CF card and i am afraid to change the kernel as if something goes wrong i would be left with a brick, with no way to reflash it

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Oz 3.5.3 Gpe-image

« on: June 09, 2005, 12:41:02 pm »

Re: HOT Z's

I finally had to switch back to OPIE 'cause of this problem & the increased power drain (which might be related). I walk to & from work, which takes about an hour one way. Under OPIE + xmms I can listen to mp3's the whole time no prob & still have juice & a moderately cool Z when I arrive, while using GPE + gxine my Z got pretty darn warm & shut down on me on three separate occasions before the end of my walk, requiring me to recharge before it would power back on (which caused more than a little worry on my part... ).
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When you are playing mp3's using gxine+gpe, how much cpu usage do you get, it shouldnt be more than 15%.
Even the zaurus sl5500 can play mp3's at 18% cpu, and oggs at 20% cpu, so you probably should check your cpu usage and see if it is within acceptable limits.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Oz 3.5.3 Gpe-image

« on: May 25, 2005, 08:42:50 pm »

~Screen Setup - The default brightness level of 10 does not accurately reflect the true bright ness. Adjusting the brightness and then setting it back to 10 does not yeild the same level of brighness as before the change.
That said, the brighness does not stay at the requested value. It snaps back almost immediately back to 10 which is now kind of dark. The brighness applet does allow the setting to be changed.

Due to unreadable brightness status on collie - Needs to be fixed at kernel level
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I take it the same holds true for Poodle?

Why does it have to be fixed at kernel level? The brightness app works perfectly for OPIE with a sl 5500.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Switching To Gpe? Need Advise

« on: May 25, 2005, 08:28:18 pm »

I am a veteran when it comes to opie, however i have never flashed GPE on my sl 5500, however i can see that gpe is progressing well, and i do think that the future for linux handhelds will be based on X (or a micro version of it) considering the large apps alredy avilable.
So I need some help,
1. What are the benefits of using GPE
2. All i need is a working setup, power on and off etc working ok, i dont mind broken package managers I cna use ipkg from the command line.
3. Working internet tools, like mozilla/minimo, sylpheed
Will i get these if i switch to GPE?

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Possible New Zaurus Kernel For Oe

« on: April 04, 2005, 07:19:33 pm »

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Sharp is a large company, they design and produce custom chips for their own needs.
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Yes , it appears that the cipset is a propriotory sharp chip, my above statement was made because i thought that maybe the chipset could have been done by some other manufacturer and that the chip would have been used for some other hardware and that a driver maybe available for it But i now see that we most probably will be stuck with the 2.4.18 rmk thing after all  As it is unlikely that anyone will reverse engineer it either.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Possible New Zaurus Kernel For Oe

« on: April 04, 2005, 12:54:20 pm »

To clarify: No SD on collie means also no MMC. It's the hardware that we can't access, not the protocol.
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Surely it cant be using such a non standard chipset, there is bound to be some other device which usesthe same chipset to which a driver has already been written?

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Possible New Zaurus Kernel For Oe

« on: April 03, 2005, 02:16:35 pm »

Kernel 2.6 for C7x0 is 95% finished. We will ship it in OpenZaurus 3.5.3.

For the 5000 and the 5500, it doesn't look that good because of the SD thing. Then again, 2.4.20 doesn't contain collie code, so we wouldn't gain anything.
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IMHO why dont you forget about the SD support for collie with regard to the 2.6 kernels altogether and just use a genereic mmc driver for collie. I think that the main reason kernel developement fir collie has been retarded is because of the absurd binary only sd module.  

Its because of the binary sd module that we are still stuck with the ancient kernel 2.4.18 rmk-pxa7 etc. compiled using the 2.95 compiler too.

I think its high time we (OZ) like the guys at familiar just forget about supporting SD( propriotory format) and support mmc instead and move ahead. Its s small sacrifice to pay for the added benefits of a newer kernel.

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Angstrom & OpenZaurus / Possible New Zaurus Kernel For Oe

« on: March 28, 2005, 07:22:22 pm »

I have noticed that the sl c3000 uses kernel 2.4.20 and the sources are available on sharps site.
I would like to ask wether it is possible to use the new kernel  (2.4.20) with future OE releases, than the old 2.4.18 rmk one.

 IMHO the only reason we are using the 2.4.18 is because of the binary only sd driver from sharp. We should ditch the SD thing (its a propriotory closed format) which has been hindering us from moving to a newer kernel for a long time. We should instead write/use a existing MMC driver and forget about the whole SD thing.

There is a lot of hype about OZ moving to the 2.6 kernels, well that will anyway break the SD compatibility as there is no SD driver for the 2.6 yet, so in the meantime till a 2.6 zaurus kernel comes out I suggest that we move ahead with  newer 2.4 releases than that 2.4.18 release.