Messages

16

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: September 16, 2006, 04:35:20 pm »

'open'? Show me the sources!
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141330\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

The Greenphone hasn't even been delivered yet, and is the most open mobile phone out there.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141534\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

'hasn't even been delivered yet' + 'out there' = contradiction
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141537\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Only for the pedantic. Greenphone was announced, and is being sold, so for all intents and purposes, it is 'out there'. I have one, it is no longer a secret, my wife and friends have seen it, so it is 'out there'.

17

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: September 16, 2006, 02:51:11 am »

'open'? Show me the sources!
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141330\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

The Greenphone hasn't even been delivered yet, and is the most open mobile phone out there.

18

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: September 16, 2006, 01:13:14 am »

One thing to keep in mind with this greenphone product, is that it is not an end-consumer device.  I've heard a lot of people complain about the high price, lack of this or lack of that (wifi, etc..).  But keep in mind that this was a special limited run of units (I think they only ordered 1000 in the initial run).  That automatically creates a higher per-unit cost.  And, if you compare this against the normal cost of evaluation / development platforms, it really is about right in line.  I've seen arm / xscale dev boards go for around $1500 or so.

try more like $3000 + for some reference boards.

Now, it would have been nice if Trolltech would have decided to make this a consumer device, with better power management (longer talk time / standby time), better radio, more expandability.  But then they would be in compitition with their customers (the handset makers that they hope will start selling qtopia phone edition based phones).  Also, the average person wouldn't buy it, because even with higher production runs it would still cost around $300 to $500 (that's about the going price for a Treo).  The only way a consumer would get this is if it was offered subsidized by a carrier (i.e., so it appears as a "free" phone).

Trolltech is not in the hardware business. We sell software. The Greenphone is an SDK Development Kit. Nothing else.

19

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: September 16, 2006, 01:04:29 am »

dhns, totally agree.

Once again we find an almost great linux platform, but dissapointing when looking at the details: no wifi, no umts and really expensive.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141338\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Don't forget to mention the obsolete-before-launch 2.4 kernel from mvista it uses.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=141341\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

You would have to talk to Yuhuatel about that. There are good reasons why they stuck with 2.4. Size for one thing.

How would you know if it is from montavista or not, I am quite sure you have yet to even see one.
*cough*

20

General Discussion / Invitation To Trolltech's Devdays 2006

« on: September 06, 2006, 04:13:31 pm »

Invitation to Trolltech's DevDays 2006

Trolltech is inviting free software and open source developers to the
annual Developer Day Conference[1]. One of the talks in the San Jose,
CA venue is by Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup, designer and original
implementer of C++. There will be talks ranging from 3D Graphics
Development with Qt and OpenGL to demonstrations of the Qtopia
Greenphone. There will be over 30 interesting presentations. Please
take a look at the whole program:

   http://www.trolltech.com/devdays2006

Trolltech is offering free attendance to the annual Developer Day
Conference for active open source developers. It's open to any
software developer who is currently contributing on an free software
project.

How to attend:

  Send an e-mail to opensource@trolltech.com. Use "DevDays" in the
  subject.

Include:

  - your name

  - the active project you are working on. A URL to the project would
    be great too.

  - whether you'd like to attend  Munich, Germany (October 11 & 12) or
    San Jose, CA (October 26 & 27)
   

Some logistics:

 Attend 1 day or 2 days at either location. Each location will also
 have an open source birds-of-a-feather gathering hosted by Knut
 Yrvin, Trolltech's Community Manager.

 This offer is limited to conference attendance and does not include
 hotel accommodations, airfare or other related expenses.

 More information on Trolltech's Developer Day conference can be found
 at:

 www.trolltech.com/devdays2006

21

General Discussion / Smartphones With Linux

« on: August 24, 2006, 08:19:24 pm »

There's also the ROAD handy pc that runs linux. and It does use Qtopia Phone as well.
http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_01.html

The Philips 968 and Zte's E3 run linux, but they are only available in China.

22

General Discussion / Smartphones With Linux

« on: August 24, 2006, 04:41:31 am »

It's definately not qtopia, but EZX, a costum motorola version of qt/e 2.x.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=135589\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Ezx isn't Motorola's version of qt/e, it is a graphical interface build on top of Qt/e, which has been renamed to Qtopia Core.

23

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 20, 2006, 12:32:54 am »

GSM and modems are basically the same, normally the are connected to a serial part and use tha ATA command set with a few extra things for SMS and such so as long as you have pppd you can use gprs and if you have a modem dialing program and alsamixer you can make calls and route the audio
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=139111\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

True. but most mobile phone modems handle more than just communications. It' s the AT commands that aren't documented or in the GSM/GPRS spec that you would probably want most.

24

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:15:52 pm »

Slightly OT for Greenphone, but this is a qtopia phone with built-in keyboard and 640x240 resolution that just made the news and slashdot:  http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/08/17/ro..._targets_nokia/

It is by German manufacturer Road and includes quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Apparently it has been vapourware until now (maybe still is).
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138942\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

I wouldnt say its too off topic, as this device does ship with Qtopia on it.

25

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:14:24 pm »

If they do flash GPE or Opie, they wont be able to really access any GSM functions, thus turning there cool Greenphone into a Greenpda.

Why is that? How is the GSM part accessed?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138933\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

as far as I know, neither opie nor gpe has any gsm capabilities. Of course, that it not saying it is not possible.

26

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:40:04 am »

It sure looks nice - has a great feature set - wifi + GSM + 1.3 megapixel camera, and a greenphone tag (for those candy phone lovers too).

I wonder though if any carriers and OEM's will jointly work to develop a phone on such open platform like the Qtopia Phone. Seems not very likely - considering the carriers propensity to rip off customers as much as possible.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138698\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Greenphone does not have wifi. The Linuxdevices article is wrong.

This phone has nothing to do with carriers. This has everything to do with application developers, system integrators and such.

27

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:35:40 am »

I can't help but agree ...
While it may be a good thing for developers and geeks , mainstream isnt going to be convinced unless apps are developed, not kernel hacks.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138721\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Developers and geeks is exactly who this if for! Not Joe Grandma barely-can-make-mobile-phone-calls, or even general mobile phone consumer.

28

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:33:40 am »

It appears the price will be $690.  So, basically all Troltech licensees could buy kits including these phones.  Do you think some of them will end up on ebay?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3495
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138712\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

The price structure has not been set yet. It will be about mid-September when it is released.

29

New products and alternatives / Open Linux Mobile Phone By Trolltech

« on: August 17, 2006, 10:32:14 am »

I'm not so sure that this "If we build it, they will come" strategy is going to accomplish much. Commercial developers aren't going to waste time on a platform with a path to the consumer that is speculative at best.

Actually, commercial developers as well as system integrators have shown interest in this.

It is also a 'proof of concept' reference board device.

Open source developers may love it, but the first thing they're going to do is replace Trolltech's Qtopia with something else (OPIE or GPE) or spend all their time hacking in the kernel, not the application space. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't help Trolltech with their goal of getting consumer friendly apps developed for the phone.

If they do flash GPE or Opie, they wont be able to really access any GSM functions, thus turning there cool Greenphone into a Greenpda.

In the US, consumers in general don't even want smartphones. Of the few that do, most want little more than seamless desktop (Windows Outlook) integration, a good set of built-in PIM apps, and possibly Blackberry style email connectivity. Even with Windows Mobile devices (which are, for the most part, not crippled by the carriers), the fraction of users that ever install an app that didn't come bundled with the phone is surprisingly small. Now stir into that mix the schizophrenic (and corrupt) wireless carriers and it's pretty clear that smartphones will never be more than a tiny niche on this side of the pond.

I wish Trolltech luck. I'd really like to see Linux phones succeed, but my expectations are pretty low.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138704\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Greenphone is not a general consumer device. It is a developer SDK platform for Qtopia Phone.

30

Qt/Qtopia / Qtopia Compilation/ Link Error

« on: July 24, 2006, 06:16:11 pm »

you need to link to libqpe and possibly libqtopia as well.