Motorola E680

[lpotter]

The unfortunate problem is that of market timing.  While there may be eventually be SDKs (and excellent ones at that if they're standard trolltech fare), they may be too late for the market. 
Even though carriers will be quick to test a product, they're never quick to deploy.  The e680 for example has been in testing for about 2 years.  Well during that time the Phone/PDA market has been lost to both Palm (Trio 600/650) and Sony (Pxx phones).  Admittedly I too want a QT enabled phone, but if I buy a Pxxx now, I'm not going to be upgrading for a few (3?) years.  And this is the same problem others will have.
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Then you might not want to purchase a phone till Qtopia phones start being released later this year.

[chayimkirshen]

Alright lplotter, I'll bite.  Obviously you can't spill the beans, but do you know if any of them will sync via bluetooth to OSX?  It can either use iSync or QtopiaDesktop, but my goal is a bluetooth sync to osx.  Any shot you can let us know (grovel..)

=)

[B_Lizzard]

I thank you (With you I mean Trolltech) for trying to expand the Linux Phone Market, and make it more...."Open Source", but most of the phones based on Qtopia don't look all that good....not your fault, but...

The only Linux Phones I like are the Moto E680 and the E28 E2800+.Both are NOT Qtopia based.Are there any other, better looking phones in the works that use Qtopia?

Aaaahh, I'll probably go with Symbian, or just keep my 7 year phone and buy a normal PDA.Linux still sounds like a good Idea, though.I just hope you make the Qtopia enviroment more "Open".And mabye try to convince those damn manufacturers to make better looking phones.

Thanks  

[lpotter]

I thank you (With you I mean Trolltech) for trying to expand the Linux Phone Market, and make it more...."Open Source", but most of the phones based on Qtopia don't look all that good....not your fault, but...

The only Linux Phones I like are the Moto E680 and the E28 E2800+.Both are NOT Qtopia based.Are there any other, better looking phones in the works that use Qtopia?

Aaaahh, I'll probably go with Symbian, or just keep my 7 year phone and buy a normal PDA.Linux still sounds like a good Idea, though.I just hope you make the Qtopia enviroment more "Open".And mabye try to convince those damn manufacturers to make better looking phones.

Thanks 
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There are no phones based on Qtopia Phone Edition released as of yet.

Qtopia PDA is open, it is available under the GPL.

[speculatrix]

Why no fully opensource GSM mobiles?

It's not a well-known fact that many companies buy-in their protocol stack for GSM (this is the program which does all the GSM signalling, making calls, de/encoding audio, doing data, sms etc).
GSM is also encrypted, with the keys hidden inside the SIM, but when the call is running the sessions keys need to be available to the GSM call processor. If someone had those keys, they could clone SIMs, listen in to other's phone calls etc.
Many GSM phones' hardware will only be compliant with telco legislation in a specific country when run with specific software.

So, the problem with a linux smartphone is that you'd have to partition the system into two parts, a closed-source locked-down secure OS (or co-processor), and the open-source part. This makes it hard to optimise power consumption, talk time etc.

It's easier to simply have a GSM phone module which has no user interface at all, and is controlled through a tightly defined interface which makes it relatively secure; this leads to designs like the PCMCIA/CF data cards, or modules like the springboard phones that worked with the handspring visor.

Paul