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« on: February 18, 2004, 09:17:50 am »
I am considering buying second-hand sl-c700 (better models are too expensive for me), but I don\'t know will it be usable for what I need.
I want it mainly as a doc reder, mail/surfing and as travel entertaiment center (mp3 and some games). I have following questions, and hope that some c700 owner may help me:
1) Can I read large pdf files (~15,20 mb) on C700. I am afraid that 32 mb is not enough. Is it fast enogh for that anyway?
2) Is it true that Net Front cuts HTML pages ]64K? It it does, that it is serious limitation.
3) What are performance of ZX spectrum and c64 emulators?

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2004, 10:22:01 am »
1. Im not sure about how large a file is too large. all my pdfs are no more than 5MB. If you know of a pdf that I can d/l thats large I can test it.

2. NetFront AFAIK, doesnt cut pages. I dont use it though. I use Opera 6.

3. I havent tried any emulators. The game I play the most is nethack

btw.. Im running tKc ROM for the c700.. (just flashed yesterday )

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2004, 10:29:00 am »
oops the last post was me

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2004, 01:31:53 am »
I have a C860 (with 64MB RAM).  I use qpdf2.  If I read a 6MB file I will need to turn on a 8MB swap after jumping and dragging pages a few times.  With this I guess you will also need a swap file in order to read a pdf file that large.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2004, 02:35:19 am »
That\'s not very good. I\'m surprised that with 64MB of RAM you\'re running out just trying to load a 6MB file. How complex is it (graphics-wise) - I assume it must be using something like 45MB? I\'d also be a bit surprised if qpdf2 actually loads the entire file into memory rather than just the page it\'s looking at - it seems a bit wasteful to me.

Oh well.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2004, 04:44:53 am »
Right, curious about wys\' result I did a little test of my own (not on a C700 or even a C860, but my 5500 has 64Mb of RAM like Wys\' machine).

I used 3 pdf files which I had to hand (I\'ve also provided links, sizes, etc.), downloaded and installed the latest version of qpdf2 and ran \'top\' via a ssh link to see what the memory was doing. This is what I found (BTW I don\'t have a swap file or anything like that):

Nb. I was writing down the memory figures from the screen so they may have changed while I was mid-scribble and therefore won\'t add up to exactly 64Mb (though I was reasonably careful to let them settle before I began).

1) QPDF2 open and on file selection screen, no file loaded.
Used 60996
Free 1392
Shared 0
Buffer 2004
Cache 36996

2) http://www.caib.us/news/timeline/STS-107-G...Track-Rev15.pdf (3,502Kb, 20pages, c.175Kb/page) open in QPDF2
Used 59184
Free 3204
Shared 0
Buffer 2004
Cache 35140

3) http://www.caib.us/news/report/pdf/vol1/fu...ort_volume1.pdf (10,454Kb, 248pages, c.42Kb/page) open in QPDF2
Used 56628
Free 5760
Shared 0
Buffer 1960
Cache 32268

4) http://www.caib.us/news/working_scenario/p...ingscenario.pdf (12,449Kb, 189pages, c.66Kb/page) open in QPDF2
Used 56648
Free 5740
Shared 0
Buffer 1960
Cache 32324

5) QPF2 closed
Used 53556
Free 8832
Shared 0
Buffer 1960
Cache 32324

I followed the steps as I\'ve outlined them above and after I\'d opened each file I scrolled through for a dozen pages or so (or until I came to some reasonably complex graphics).

Nb. The Cache memory is free memory which is being used for something useful. If it\'s needed it will be freed for use by other processes. Therefore the free memory is actually Free + Cache.

Anyway, my conclusions are:

QPDF2 requires c.3Mb to run (difference between Used-Cache for case 1 and case 4)
Files must be loaded page by page, and each page needs up to about 350Kb (probably depending on what\'s on it, though this is odd as the file which I loaded in #2 used the least extra memory but had the most bytes/page).

In summary, I doubt you\'d need a swap file on a 64Mb system (I certainly don\'t) unless you\'re also trying to calculate Pi to 3 million decimal places (or even just running lots of other stuff ;-)), and I reckon you\'d probably be alright on a 32Mb system too (though it would be nice for someone to confirm this).

@Guest thinking of making the purchase: If you want to provide a link to a 30Mb file I\'ll be glad to try it and see how much memory it needs.

@Wys: If you want me to test your file I can try that too.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2004, 05:01:58 am »
I have an 8MB PDF file, if I open with qpdf2 top shows it takes about 12MB, ps aux shows RSS=10MB.

I have a C760 with sharp rom, preempt kernel, korganizer/Pi and addressbook (to be replaced with abook when I get around to hacking some xml) in memory.  The qpdf2 version is render-freetype-2.2.1-20040217.

That seems to be the largest pdf I can find... oh wait, I just found a 14MB one...

top shows 10MB usage, ps aux shows RSS=11MB.  I think this file has no colour graphics embedded whereas the 8MB file has a large (full page) colour graphics spread.

As with lardman, if you have a 20MB PDF file you want me to try that is easily downloadable, let me know and I can let you know top/ps stats.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2004, 05:13:03 am »
http://nscp.upenn.edu/aix4.3html/aixbman/p...d/memoryuse.htm

I don\'t think that the RSS figure is a decent way of measuring memory usage, that\'s why I was just going off the totals at the top and doing the subtraction to get my answer. That said it may actually work on the Z.


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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2004, 05:13:55 am »
I want to thank everyone for your replies, you people are really great!
Lardman, according to your report 32 Mb should be ok for even larger files.
You can find one large pdf (Oracle SQL Ref) 20 MB at
http://otn.oracle.com/pls/db10g/db10g.to_p...ting+Started%29

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2004, 05:21:32 am »
Yes, I think it should work fine. But (the disclaimer) I don\'t have a C700 so I don\'t know for sure (and I also don\'t know how much memory is used just to run Qtopia and therefore how much you\'ll have left over to run other things. However I would have thought you\'d have at least the 3-4Mb required to open a PDF in QPDF2).

I\'ll try the PDF this evening but I don\'t expect it to behave differently.


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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2004, 05:22:23 am »
Lucky I have an oracle/metalink signon... it\'s downloading now.

I did load up a 60MB PDF that my company has for internal documentation. and again that loaded fine.

Using free:

Before:
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:        61840        48228        13612            0          808
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:        61840        48228        13612

After:
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:        61840        54776         7064            0          808
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:        61840        54776         7064

Using top, reports 11MB RSS, 13.5MB SIZE.

I tell you what, Hancom Word has a terrible problem loading a 1MB .doc file (took 5 minutes before it would display a page), compared with qpdf2 loading that 60MB PDF!

Still downloading that oracle doc.  will update again once I\'ve transferred it over to the c760.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2004, 05:29:28 am »
ok opened b10759.pdf:
free shows:
before:
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:        61840        39164        22676            0          728
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:        61840        39164        22676

after loading qpdf2:
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:        61840        40348        21492            0          808
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:        61840        40348        21492

after loading b10759.pdf and scrolling through first 51 pages (letting each page load fully first):

              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:        61840        56700         5140            0          808
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:        61840        56700         5140

hope this helps.  Now if there was a pdf with lots of embedded graphics, that would probably take more memory...
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