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« on: July 04, 2005, 08:53:50 am »
Hello everyone. I'm considering buying a C3100, but I have a few questions for you all.

A little background:
I've actually been using Zauruses since Sharp introduced the first one (the P-3000 if I recall correctly) in the mid 1990s. Back then, they were all black and white (and non-backlit) and ran off of two triple A batteries. The main reason I wanted it back then was that I was studying Japanese. I was visiting Japan for the first time and was blown away when the salesperson wrote in Japanese on the screen and it was recognized. I don't know if the Zaurus was the first PDA to have Japanese handwriting recognition, but it was the first one I had ever seen. The reason this is a big deal is that if you know the basic rules of stroke order, you can look up kanji that you don't know the pronunciation for. Before this, I had to use a kanji dictionary, which was a very time consuming process. I usually didn't bother.

Anyway, I used that Zaurus for a few years. Then I bought the Color Zaurus while I was working in Japan. I think this was the first PDA with a color screen (and a digital camera card as well), and it was pretty amazing at the time. Of course, it was about the size of a VHS video tape and cost a small fortune, but...

My next Zaurus was the iCruise (hence my user name --- sounds dumb, but it just sort of stuck). This was one of the first PDAs with a VGA screen, and it was beautiful. Unfortunately, Sharp did a pretty half-assed job with the operating system, so it was a mixed bag when it came to usability.

Finally, I bought the MI-E21, which had the same form factor as the first Linux Zauruses brought out in the US, but still used Sharp's proprietary OS. It was nice to use when I was commuting in Japan, since they had a great wireless Internet services even several years ago. I also converted a bunch of electronic dictionaries for the Zaurus, which allowed me to look things up on the go.

I considered buying the first clamshell Zaurus, but instead I bought a Clie TG50 because I was tired of not being able to sync with my Mac. It's a pretty good PDA, but it really doesn't meet my needs anymore (see below).

What I need from a PDA
I've recently realized that my needs have changed. I have relatively little need for a PDA that focuses mostly on PIM functions. I have a very small address book, rarely write things down in my calendar, etc. What I could use is something that is very portable that allows me to surf the web, read and write email, view pictures and video, and access my electronic dictionaries.

At first, I wanted an OQO, but I did a lot of reading and found that it has some problems that make it less attractive than I had originally thought. Plus, it's around $2000, which is out of my budget for something like this. Then I got to thinking about the Zaurus. The more I read about the latest models, the more it seems like the C3100 (or possibly C3000) would fit the bill. My only complaint is the lack of built-in WiFi and bluetooth. But the built-in microdrive goes a long way toward making up for this, and I already have a CF WiFi card that I used with my last Zaurus.

Is there a good reason to get the C3100 over the C3000?
From what I can tell, the differences between the C3000 and C3100 (aside from the color) are that the C3100 has 128MB of internal flash and comes with a bunch of content pre-installed. The dictionaries are interesting to me, but I already have them in forms that are Zaurus-compatible (using something like Zten) so I don't think that alone is reason to pay more. Is the 128MB of flash that big a deal?

Where is the best place to buy a Zaurus?
I won't be making it back to Japan for 6 months at least, so getting it myself isn't an option. I do have friends and family there, though, so it might be possible to have them send me one. I'm not sure about customs though. Has anyone had any problems going this route?

I am a Japanese translator, so I don't need or want an English-converted model. The stock Zaurus will be fine. Dynamism said they would give me a $100 discount for a stock Zaurus. They are somewhat expensive, but the fact that they offer support for the Zaurus is nice. I've looked at some of the other places that sell them, but I wasn't sure about their reliability.

Keeping in mind that I need to retain the ability to read and write in Japanese, what OS/kernel would you recommend?
I was fascinated by pdaXrom, since it seems to turn the Zaurus in a genuine mini-laptop, but I'm afraid it's beyond my abilities. I know very little about Linux, and while I'm willing to learn, I really want something that I can use with a minimum of experimentation and problems. Is the stock Sharp ROM my best bet? I think I'd at least like to try out the "special kernel."

How is the web browsing experience on the Zaurus?
With my previous Zauruses, web browsing was good but not great. With the iCruise, the VGA screen made it possible to read many web sites that the average PDA would have trouble with, but it would run out of memory on large pages, and it was relatively slow. The MI-E21 had better compatibility, but its QVGA screen made browsing a pain. I'm hoping that the new Zauruses have the best of both worlds -- decent compatibility combined with a nicely sized screen. I'm sure some things like Javascript will cause issues, but can I assume that surfing most web pages won't be a problem? How is the speed when using a WiFi card?

What options are there for reading IMAP email on the Zaurus?
This is a biggie for me. I need to be able to access a couple of IMAP email accounts for sending and receiving email (much of it in Japanese). It would also be nice to be able to open attachments. Does the email program that comes standard on the Japanese Zaurus have any issues with this?

How easy is it to use a bluetooth CF card?
From what I've read, it seems possible to use a CF bluetooth card with the Zaurus. Is this easy to do, and will it allow me to use the Zaurus to surf the web with my bluetooth-enabled cell phone?

Well, that's all the questions I can think of at the moment. Thanks for the help!
« Last Edit: July 04, 2005, 08:58:23 am by icruise »

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 08:41:02 pm »
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Where is the best place to buy a Zaurus?

kakaku.com is your friend

Here is the direct link to C3000
http://www.kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.asp...duct=SL%2DC3000

and the C3100
http://www.kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.asp...duct=SL%2DC3100

and the C1000 for completness
http://www.kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.asp...duct=SL%2DC1000

Most of the shop with the best price are Tokyo based, but most of them offer very low price shipping (inside Japan)

I recently shipped a Zaurus to Spain from Japan for about ¥1800 via EMS, to the States is even cheaper from memory.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2005, 10:06:23 pm »
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Where is the best place to buy a Zaurus?

kakaku.com is your friend


Yes, I've used kakaku.com a lot in the past, both for price searches and the product-related forums. I take it you think getting one directly from Japan would be the best option? One problem, though, is that most of these stores don't take credit cards, which can make payment a little difficult (I'd rather pay for it directly, rather than having a friend do it and pay them back).

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2005, 09:05:38 am »
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Yes, I've used kakaku.com a lot in the past, both for price searches and the product-related forums. I take it you think getting one directly from Japan would be the best option? One problem, though, is that most of these stores don't take credit cards, which can make payment a little difficult (I'd rather pay for it directly, rather than having a friend do it and pay them back).
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As you state you don't need the enhancments that the off-shore distributors offer, then yeah I think you can get the best deal buying directly from Japan.

If prefer to use a credit card then you probably want to look at PriceJapan.
They have the best price for shipping overseas(around 77,000 yen with DHL delivery), take paypal which can be set up to use a credit card. As you have friends in Japan you have someone to send the zaurus to if it breaks during warranty.

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2005, 09:53:12 pm »
Answers to some of the other questions

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Is there a good reason to get the C3100 over the C3000?
From what I can tell, the differences between the C3000 and C3100 (aside from the color) are that the C3100 has 128MB of internal flash and comes with a bunch of content pre-installed. The dictionaries are interesting to me, but I already have them in forms that are Zaurus-compatible (using something like Zten) so I don't think that alone is reason to pay more. Is the 128MB of flash that big a deal?

I'm at a bit of a loss myself on this one. As the C3000 comes with the dictionaries that come with the C31000, the extra content is really only the TOEIC/TOEFL training software. That and the 128MB flash don't seem to add up to the extra price for me. I look at the C3100 as being an update to the C1K, where they have added the internal hd, but still the price difference is a little oer the top.

I expect that the change to 128MB will make the C3100 more compatible with new ROMs as I assume it keeps the filesystem layout of the Cxx0 and C1K models.

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Keeping in mind that I need to retain the ability to read and write in Japanese, what OS/kernel would you recommend?
I was fascinated by pdaXrom, since it seems to turn the Zaurus in a genuine mini-laptop, but I'm afraid it's beyond my abilities. I know very little about Linux, and while I'm willing to learn, I really want something that I can use with a minimum of experimentation and problems. Is the stock Sharp ROM my best bet? I think I'd at least like to try out the "special kernel."

The "special kernel" is a must if you want to watch video on the Z, it also adds a better level of granularity to the battery indicator (the defalut sharp on only seems to have 3 steps).

With respect to writing Japanese, I've been very disapointed with all of the alternative rOMs. OZ has basically no Japanese input method that I've been able to use with any success. I've been using linux since 1995 and have no problem getting Japanese input running on the desktop - currently favor scim + anthy - but the handwriting recognition of the the Sharp CRIM still blows me away (and a lot of Japanese people too).

I got scim working to a resonable level with pdaX, but there is nothing that comes close to handwriting recognition (both English and Japanese) available that I've been able to find.

The Cacko rom is really just a repackaged Sharp rom with a number of enhancements that allow better experience with wifi cards, video. The Japanese support pack adds back the dictionaries and input methods, therefore allowing you full handwriting recognition of the Sharp ROM.

You'll of course have your own needs/wants that may swing you one way or another (and if you get Japanese input running on either OZ or pdaX I'd love to hear about it) but my preference is the Sharp based roms.

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How is the web browsing experience on the Zaurus?
With my previous Zauruses, web browsing was good but not great. With the iCruise, the VGA screen made it possible to read many web sites that the average PDA would have trouble with, but it would run out of memory on large pages, and it was relatively slow. The MI-E21 had better compatibility, but its QVGA screen made browsing a pain. I'm hoping that the new Zauruses have the best of both worlds -- decent compatibility combined with a nicely sized screen. I'm sure some things like Javascript will cause issues, but can I assume that surfing most web pages won't be a problem? How is the speed when using a WiFi card?

NetFront is a resonable web browser (the latest version has java and flash support available, but has only been released for PPC so far) but many people prefer Opera.

I find either fine for short periods of browsing and haven't come across many pages that cause the Zaurus to roll-over and die.

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What options are there for reading IMAP email on the Zaurus?
This is a biggie for me. I need to be able to access a couple of IMAP email accounts for sending and receiving email (much of it in Japanese). It would also be nice to be able to open attachments. Does the email program that comes standard on the Japanese Zaurus have any issues with this?
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Supposedly tkcMail was going to offer this, they had been promising it for about a year when I gave up checking to see if it was available. The email client that comes with KO\PI has IMAP support, but I've never tried it as I don't have asn IMAP account, maybe someone else can offer more advice here.

Hope some of this is useful to you

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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2005, 05:12:21 am »
Thanks for the reply, Stubear. Very useful.

Since I've never used one of the Linux Zauruses, I'm not entirely familiar with how the internal flash is used. Is there something about the internal memory that makes it better than the microdrive or a memory card? For example, I know that on the Palm, programs will often have to be installed into internal memory or they won't run correctly. Is there something similar on the Zaurus that would make having more internal memory a bonus? From what I have read, the C3000 has some (or all?) of its OS files on the microdrive while the C3100 has it all in the internal flash. The C3000 having its files on the hard drive may affect speed slightly, and makes it a little more difficult to replace the microdrive with something else, but I wasn't sure if there were any other reasons to prefer the bigger internal memory. Obviously it's not worth the extra money just for the storage space.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2005, 12:22:32 pm »
On the older models the majority of the files are stored on the internal flash. All of qtopia's files and the default setting files are kept here.

When you start installnig your own packages you have the option of installing them to internal memory or SD or CF card. The biggest advantage that installing to internal memory holds is that it is always there, you can't leave it at home. Also on all models till the C3K it was the only storage that accepted symlinks by default (most SD and CF cards are fromatted FAT and don't support symlinks), this is important when installing packages that contain libraries and other files that need to be symlinked, these packages fail when trying to install them to SD or CF. It is possible to reformat your SD or CF card, but if you are a windows user then those cards can no longer be used with your desktop machine (unless you dual-boot linux ).

I'm not sure what the filesystem of the internal hard drive is in the C3K and C3100, but I assume that it is FAT also. This means that certain apps will only be able to be installed to the internal memory - of course having more internal memory means you can install more of these apps.

Another advantage of flash over micro drive is the speed issue you mention, most micr drives have some sort of lag time as the drive spins up. The spinning of the drive is also supposed to drain your battery faster, but I have no real proof of this.

I've read a post on these forums about replacing the microdrive with a CF card and the OP stated that things were faster.

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iRiver USB host cable; Diatec P-Cord usb power cable (extendable); Acro's Reel Cable USB (A to A, B, Mini-B,  & Mini-B 8pin); GreenHouse 1Gb PicoDrive+; 2x256Mb Hagiwara SD cards; 128Mb Transcend CF card; 512Mb PQI CF card; AmbiCom WL1100C-CF 11B WLAN card