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[craigtyson]

I dont see y a book wouldnt work. After all. there are exactly this sort of thing for epoc, windows and most other computer
systems in use today.  the question is who would write it?
would trolltech/sharp be interested in publisling something like this to promote development on qt/sharp. if it was in the same mould as the 20hr books then it could have a cd distro with it no ?

[lpotter]

I dont see y a book wouldnt work. After all. there are exactly this sort of thing for epoc, windows and most other computer
systems in use today.  the question is who would write it?
would trolltech/sharp be interested in publisling something like this to promote development on qt/sharp. if it was in the same mould as the 20hr books then it could have a cd distro with it no ?
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Trolltech does offer Qt and Qtopia training, but this is for developers that already know c++.
[a href=\"http://www.trolltech.com/training/index.html]http://www.trolltech.com/training/index.html[/url]

Perhaps what is needed is an inexpensive on-line training session either via irc-like or video stream.

[speculatrix]

Trolltech does offer Qt and Qtopia training, but this is for developers that already know c++.
http://www.trolltech.com/training/index.html

Perhaps what is needed is an inexpensive on-line training session either via irc-like or video stream.

OK, lets just test the water. Suppose I set up a server into which you can SSH with X forwarding, on which there's a full development kit, example programs which build and run on both the Zaurus as well as the dev server, so all you have to do is connect and use it.

You then download a training video for each example, and get to discuss it one-to-one with a tutor at scheduled times.

How much would you personally be willing to pay for
a] use of the dev server
b] viewing each the training videos
c] discussions with and/or help by the tutor?

Here's my wet-finger-in-the-air-guess at how much I'd need to charge just to make it worth my effort
a] US$10 per hour to use
b] US$50 per video
c] US$50 per hour

that is, you'd be paying very cheap commercial rates for a tutor's time, and relatively low charges to use the server.

I'm quite serious about the idea of setting up a development server which would be ready to use. But to fund a co-locate somewhere's going to cost REAL money. As far as I can see, not many people even donate money to reward their favourite ROM developers let alone be willing to pay to learn how to develop. Maybe I'll run a poll?

Paul

[lardman]

OK, lets just test the water. Suppose I set up a server into which you can SSH with X forwarding, on which there's a full development kit, example programs which build and run on both the Zaurus as well as the dev server, so all you have to do is connect and use it.

I was thinking more that the book (online book) would explain how to set up your own dev environment too (or provide a tarball, or an ISO image of a liveCD, etc.) which would remove the need for this infrastructure.

You then download a training video for each example, and get to discuss it one-to-one with a tutor at scheduled times.

Why the need for videos? I'm more than happy, in fact I think it's less distracting, reading stuff from a page/website. I'm also a bit anti this 'speaking to the tutor' thing. Speaking to the tutor allows people to be lazy, and pretty much everyone is lazy if they can be. I think that they should attempt to do the course, and if they get stuck (which hopefully won't happen as it's so well written and explained  ), then they should be able to ask in a part of this forum/IRC (for example) for some pointers.

I really don't see any reason to go more high-tech than the learn-it-in-24-hours style books - they don't use videos, and they only contain CDs so that you can get the example code - this could all be done on the web without any issues other than writing the course (though that's a pretty big issue I admit).

lpotter's pointer:

Trolltech does offer Qt and Qtopia training, but this is for developers that already know c++.
http://www.trolltech.com/training/index.html

is exactly what I was talking about. Learning C++ could just be added as a pre-requisite


Si

[craigtyson]

OK How about setting up a bounty?  

We would need to put together a spec of what is needed - content - examples -  distro / tar ball et al, and setup a pot to entice some of our hard working developers to spend some time putting an online course together for programming on the Z (hosted where?).

We would need to discuss for which platform (qt/gpe?/x/opie) or cover all platforms with a development trail of some sort.

Would a poll be an idea before going any further?

[ken]

I'm not a programmer, but I dug around for a few minutes and came up with this:

https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Compiling_on_the_6000L

Since I'm not a programmer, I can't really go any further than that.  I was however, able to compile a program and so forth as per the instructions that were there.

I'm assuming that this isn't the part of "this is hard to do" as I found it rather straight forward.