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If you could have IRDA or WiFi built into a future handheld computer, but not both, which would you rather have?

IRDA
4 (11.8%)
WiFi (802.11b, g, a, WiMax, etc)
30 (88.2%)

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DrWowe

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2005, 05:30:09 pm »
I think the best bet is to talk to a Japanese electronics export specialist.  I've already written a few emails on the subject...

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2005, 09:09:50 pm »
I do not know how much space an IRDA port and associated wiring take up in a Zaurus, since I have never disassembled one.

Besides the space and the material required to make an IRDA port work, there is the engineering cost.  If you read the Intel errata for the Xscale microprocessor used in some of the Zaurus models, you will find one indicating that the timing for high speed IRDA communications is off.  I think that the engineering effort would be better spent on features that most people actually use.

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2005, 09:08:41 am »
Doc,

If you're displaying your ignorance on that topic they your doing it for both of us! I had that exact same thought and I HAVE worked in robotic manufacturing. It flies in the face of my experience for them to have retooled and redie'd just completely just for those modifications. If I remember correctly from having my own 6000 apart the WiFi is almost a "plug-in" module itself, it might be soldered to the motherboard but it's totally concentrated on a removeable daughterboard itself.  The bluetooth module and the sdram are definitely things that would have to be assembled at the time the motherboard was hotshot.  But still, these would be things you would ADD to a production line rather than rework the entire line.

The problem with a lot of the info I've been able to drag up is that it's from non-animate sources.  Documentation is helpful but you can't ask it questions when you read something you wish to have clarified etc.  I've heard of this sort of thing happening before but only because the physical factory had to be moved between production runs. I'd just love to get ahold of some quality control personel from Sharp's production team and put a bright white light in his face and grill him for a few hours so we can just know all the details and be done with it.

There's two or three other things that I've found out that sound really cool-- but I've kept them to myself as they have the same problem as the retooling issue:  They just don't make good sense.  Trying to weed through stuff like this is terrible, ESPECIALLY, when most of it is in another language.

Oh about the specs you linked to- I don't know.  I've seen the SL-6000D referenced quite often while researching this and they have always referred to the sdram being the key upgrade from the 6kw, but never a 64mb sdram version that had 128mb of flash. I suppose from Sharp's point of view that it doesn't matter to them since they never actually sold any.  I'm more and more warming up to the idea of christening the MX1 that I hope to buy and reflash with Linux with the designation "SL-6000X"!


Spec,

Thanks for pointing that out, I thought I had said it earlier but I wasn't very clear about it.  The Flora-ie MX1 is only being marketed to Corporations in Japan.  If you're purchasing for a Corporation you can either buy them (in any quantity) from one of Hitachi's certified resellers in Japan or from Hitachi Direct in Japan.  If you're a private citizen wanting one on your own behalf you can buy one ONLY from Hitachi.  If you can read Japanese then you can order one from the HitachiDirect portion of thier site, but they will NOT deliver to a mailing address outside of Japan. I've already talked to Stephen at Streamline and he is looking into whether he can start reselling the Hitachi FLORA-ie MX1 or it's batteries to us.  Either may be helpful, especially if he can swing a discount from Hitachi so that their mark-up doesn't go far beyond the already expensive $800 price tag of the MX1. I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium on something like this just to have their experience of dealing with Japanese companies etc. in my corner.  But it's probably going to get even closer to a thousand dollars and that could be unreachable for me.

Plus, don't forget- we don't even know if these units can be re-flashed to Linux yet. However you can get a battery from them right now if you can figure out how to get navigate through the purchasing website without knowing Japanese.  The price on the battery works out to be right around $80usd I believe.

G'luck all!
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I googled for the Hitach Flora MX1:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hitachi+flora+mx1

and there's not many results.

I then tried adding "buy", "purchase" etc to the search, and nothing turned up.

Is there anyone selling these mythical beasts online, or, as 'shock said, you have to be a major corporate in Jp before you get to buy one?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=106907\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2005, 09:47:57 am »
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There's two or three other things that I've found out that sound really cool-- but I've kept them to myself as they have the same problem as the retooling issue:  They just don't make good sense.  Trying to weed through stuff like this is terrible, ESPECIALLY, when most of it is in another language.
It's okay to post partial, incomplete, or incorrect information.  That's what rumors are.    Having more people processing the input can only get us closer to the truth.

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If you can read Japanese then you can order one from the HitachiDirect portion of thier site, but they will NOT deliver to a mailing address outside of Japan.
Can you post the exact URL for this?  PriceJapan wrote me back and said they can't get it.  If I can show them where to order, they claim to be able to export anything with a 5% markup.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2005, 05:57:05 pm »
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Can you post the exact URL for this?  PriceJapan wrote me back and said they can't get it.  If I can show them where to order, they claim to be able to export anything with a 5% markup.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

With the help of translation tools and pictures, I think I found it here:

[a href=\"http://direct.hitachi.co.jp/shop/mobile/mobile.html]http://direct.hitachi.co.jp/shop/mobile/mobile.html[/url]
« Last Edit: December 13, 2005, 06:24:01 pm by DrWowe »

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2005, 12:25:02 am »
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Can you post the exact URL for this?  PriceJapan wrote me back and said they can't get it.  If I can show them where to order, they claim to be able to export anything with a 5% markup.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

With the help of translation tools and pictures, I think I found it here:

[a href=\"http://direct.hitachi.co.jp/shop/mobile/mobile.html]http://direct.hitachi.co.jp/shop/mobile/mobile.html[/url]
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=107031\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]


Yes, that's very close. I think the actual page you "buy" from is one deeper at:

(Nevermind their site is cgi driven to that page-  you can't actually link to it.)
To get to the exact page click on Doc's link above and follow the grey bar that has FLORA-ie MX1 written on it to the extreme right side and click on the red/white arrow.  This will take you to the exact page. I can't find a translator that will work with this page because it cannot be accessed directly because of the cgi coding. If I find a work-a-round I'll post it. Until then use these rough instructions to get at it.

But I'm not completely sure either as the translation software isn't that great and the "add to cart" icons aren't translated as they are .jpg's instead of raw text.  I am VERY excited to see someone trying this out.  If this pans out and it's flashable, I'll be the next in line! Woooohooo!

-NeuroShock

Doc,
PLEASE keep us up to date on this!
Thanks!
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2005, 02:07:43 am »
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Yes, that's very close. I think the actual page you "buy" from is one deeper at:

(Nevermind their site is cgi driven to that page- you can't actually link to it.)

with a bookmarklet like frmget

you can transform post to get and get the url like this:

https://value-shop.hitachi.co.jp/cgi-bin/we...x1.pgt&x=88&y=4

it doesn't allways work, ie it does work for the next step of the above link...
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