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rodgos
post Mar 25 2019, 03:34 PM
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Whilst I've never used Debian before, I've plenty of experience in other Linux distro's. I've just re-flashed my Gemini to a rooted Android and Debian, and I'm having a few issues with the Debian side of things.
First. The LXQt desktop. I've not used this, being a long time devotee of KDE. Is the LXQt desktop environment the only alternative for the Gemini version? To my eye this desktop environment does not sit too well on the small screen of the Gemini. Not having fingers like knitting needles, the area covered by a fingertip is enormous compared with the effective size of the icons. I could go to using a mouse, but portability is all. I've no problem with a normal mobile phone, since the contrast in icon size is not so extreme, and the close proximity of a keyboard does not interfere.
Second. This is a bit of a killer. Nowhere in any of the options available on the screen, can I find any way of setting up the WiFi connection. A portable unit without a WiFi connection is not going to get me far.
Third. As a spin off from the second I've been unable to locate anything related to adding extra functionality, like FTP clients, Firefox and the ilk, and in conducting software updates, and such. My background is in UNIX admin, and this concept of no superuser does not sit too well with me, along with a fair number of associated things. My current distro, of choice, Mageia, ticks most of the boxes for organisation and admin.
Four, and connected in a fashion with three. As a UNIX man I'm wedded to the multi user ethic. I like my own space, mine alone to organise. Even though as someone living alone, it's extremely unlikely that the Gemini will ever be used by anyone else. So, I accessed the users and groups side of thing to setup a new user. Being new to Debian, and noting the usual total absence of any specific explanation of things, I put in the usual info and accepted the rest as default values. It all appeared well. I closed the machine down and re-booted, expecting that there would now be two users to log into. However there was only the default Gemini. I logged in to that, having ascertained, previously, what the defaults user password was. No Brownie points for logic here. Looking at the users and groups function again, there was no mention of a new user, merely Gemini and nobody. Thinking that the adding a new user had actually failed, I went again through the process of adding a new user. However that failed, and I was informed that there was already a user of that name.

Sorry to have been a bit long winded, and raising more than one subject, but a proper explanation requires a full explanation.
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post Mar 25 2019, 05:13 PM
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Hello and nice to meet.
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(...) Not having fingers like knitting needles, the area covered by a fingertip is enormous compared with the effective size of the icons. I could go to using a mouse, but portability is all. (...)

I am using my gemini screen as a touchpad, works great:
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=35185
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Second. This is a bit of a killer. Nowhere in any of the options available on the screen, can I find any way of setting up the WiFi connection. A portable unit without a WiFi connection is not going to get me far.

use conman (under Internet)
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Third. As a spin off from the second I've been unable to locate anything related to adding extra functionality, like FTP clients, Firefox and the ilk, and in conducting software updates, and such. My background is in UNIX admin, and this concept of no superuser does not sit too well with me, along with a fair number of associated things. My current distro, of choice, Mageia, ticks most of the boxes for organisation and admin.

use apt ('apt update', 'apt upgrade', 'apt install myfavprog') as root in CLI. Only problem is if you don't know the exact name of a prog. I use synaptic for that (sudo apt-get install synaptic). It is not really handy with too small characters. It also helps to have a regular debian system on a desktop to test things.
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Four, and connected in a fashion with three. As a UNIX man I'm wedded to the multi user ethic. I like my own space, mine alone to organise. Even though as someone living alone, it's extremely unlikely that the Gemini will ever be used by anyone else. So, I accessed the users and groups side of thing to setup a new user. (...)

I just use CLI to add new users ('adduser mynewuser') and it shows up in the loginscreen if I do a restart.
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Sorry to have been a bit long winded, and raising more than one subject, but a proper explanation requires a full explanation.

I know. Sometimes it is hard to ask proper questions without writing a book about your gemini experiences dry.gif
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post Mar 25 2019, 08:30 PM
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Hi, Psionlover. Thanks for the quick response. Conman!! I'd never had guessed that! I've been playing about with the thing, and I've come to the conclusion that I don't like Debian, either. This was the second go. I'd previously flashed the thing with Sailfish, but the flashy presentation wasn't to my taste. So much of the Debian presentation doesn't work very well, I find. I'd spend ages trying to re-size a window, or dismiss one. The total absence of any formal admin function does not appeal. So, it's back to Android, but this time rooted. I don't like Android either, but at least it's built for the small screen. I don't understand why Google, with the neat and logical Unix/Linux organisation went on to create a system with the chaotic structure so reminiscent of Windows, It simply beggars belief.

I rather liked your user name. I'm a Psion fan from way back. Starting with the Psion 3a. My netBook is still in daily use, and going strong. One of the hopes in getting the Gemini, was that I could possibly port some of my Psion stuff onto it. Particularly the data files. However, as I've outlined in some earlier posts, they seem to have made a bit of a pigs ear of the Data app, so that will have to wait on them sorting it out.

Cheers, Rod Goslin
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Adam Boardman
post Mar 26 2019, 12:22 AM
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Excellent answers from psionlover, I would just add that the planet instructions do cover connman and link to the DebianTP2 page, which has the community contributed advice of things you might like to change. I just added the tip about using the debian adduser command rather than other options.

One final point, the Gemian port is a community port by a very small number of people. We are focused on getting a single line of Debian usable, you are welcome to help out. I had figured that the KDE/Gnome communities were big enough to handle themselves, sadly that seems not to be the case, or at least they seem happy with Android/didn't buy themselves a Gemini.
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post Mar 28 2019, 03:48 AM
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QUOTE(psionlover @ Mar 26 2019, 01:13 AM) *
use apt ('apt update', 'apt upgrade', 'apt install myfavprog') as root in CLI. Only problem is if you don't know the exact name of a prog. I use synaptic for that (sudo apt-get install synaptic).

If you prefer a CLI based system, aptitude works well for searching for packages including the use of regex search terms. Also really good for cherry-picking when doing updates: once I get a system running the way I want it, I only update selected packages instead of doing a full upgrade. I rely on my system too much to take a chance of breaking it.

I should add that I'm using the stretch Debian version on the Gemini.
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