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Laze
post Jun 12 2006, 12:10 PM
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Sash has got a job and will be spending sometime on getting settled in with the new job and stuff so there might be a small development stop during the next 2-3 weeks.

After that all should be back to normal.

Once more i would like to remind everybody about the need for donations for hadware and help keep pdaXrom on the track. The new job will no cause pdaXrom development delays - but at the same it will not pay for anything on pdaXrom development.
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post Jun 12 2006, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Laze @ Jun 12 2006, 12:10 PM)
Sash has got a job and will be spending sometime on getting settled in with the new job and stuff so there might be a small development stop during the next 2-3 weeks.

After that all should be back to normal.

Once more i would like to remind everybody about the need for donations for hadware and help keep pdaXrom on the track. The new job will no cause pdaXrom development delays - but at the same it will not pay for anything on pdaXrom development.
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Is there any way we could spread the development between any willing members of the community to allow Sash more freedom?
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post Jun 12 2006, 02:22 PM
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aieee!
Good for sashz! He deserves some decent pay. bad for us, I fear, though. This kind of announcement makes me nervous. especaillly right after a discussion of "what happens if sashz vanishes...
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post Jun 12 2006, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Jun 12 2006, 02:22 PM)
aieee!
Good for sashz! He deserves some decent pay.  bad for us, I fear, though. This kind of announcement makes me nervous. especaillly right after a discussion of "what happens if sashz vanishes...
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This is why I'm hopeful that Laze and Sash will see the benefits of opening up pdaXrom and encouraging others to participate. I know the community are very much behind them, so I don't see why they should fear that they'll lose overall control. Never underestimate loyalty.
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post Jun 12 2006, 03:27 PM
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I'm just being a pessimist (read guy who buys stuff from sharp repeatedly wink.gif ). They have already released some good stuff for building pdaXrom, and I'm sure that if this was really any more of a problem than laze says it is they'd do just what you suggest on their way out.

Honestly, ATM I'm more concerned with apps than with OS progress.
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post Jun 12 2006, 05:26 PM
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This may actually be good news for pdaxrom in the long run. There was always some concern how long a fine programmer like Sash would continue working for so little pay when he could likely make a lot more money elsewhere. It sounds like he has found a job that will improve his situation but still allow him a lot of time for pdaxrom. That sounds like a more stable future to me. Best of luck to Sash.
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post Jun 13 2006, 10:58 AM
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This may actually be good news for pdaxrom in the long run.


Perhaps, perhaps not.

If Sash's job prevents him spending time on it and as I understand it, he's the only core developer, it's bad news.

Are there any other core developers?
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post Jun 13 2006, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(omro @ Jun 13 2006, 07:58 PM)
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This may actually be good news for pdaxrom in the long run.


Perhaps, perhaps not.

If Sash's job prevents him spending time on it and as I understand it, he's the only core developer, it's bad news.

Are there any other core developers?
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I think you could be right Omro, I would like a stable rom, but if Sashz is working on 7 or 8 different models and doing a day job it is not going to happen soon for anyone. unsure.gif

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PS Omro, I like your persistence and patience!
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post Jun 14 2006, 04:30 AM
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QUOTE(diesel1 @ Jun 13 2006, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE(omro @ Jun 13 2006, 07:58 PM)
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This may actually be good news for pdaxrom in the long run.


Perhaps, perhaps not.

If Sash's job prevents him spending time on it and as I understand it, he's the only core developer, it's bad news.

Are there any other core developers?
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I think you could be right Omro, I would like a stable rom, but if Sashz is working on 7 or 8 different models and doing a day job it is not going to happen soon for anyone. unsure.gif

Diesel1.

PS Omro, I like your persistence and patience!
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Well guys, being only drammatic we don' t solve anything.
We have a very good Forum, we have a lot of people contributing, helping all toghether and beginning to learn more about PdaXrom, i think we can do a lot.
After that Laze has not said that PdaXrom will stop definitely? Or not?
Only that Sashz has a new work, i think that we have only to be happy about that!
I' m always on the Cacko channel, if you want to partecipate more like me, come there i' m always there. Forum is a good tool, but, logically chat is better!
BYEZ!
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post Jun 14 2006, 01:52 PM
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I had better admit, right at the start, I am a little disgruntled. I did, personally (and quite some time ago) myself contribute money directly to Sash, but that was back in the time that I thought he would appreciate and allow others to help him. He told me that he didn't know how to use cvs nor ssh) but I offered to show him how to use them, because with the use of these tools, the project, which I liked, could easily be opened up (as many other projects have successfully been opened) so we could all contribute.

I offered this help both because I had the machines and web bandwidth so I could host them (and the haard disk space), but also, because I had personally been a release engineer. I am retired now, because of ill health, so I have even more time.

Why did I need to admit that at the start? Because I'm mad. Twice, I tried to take his sourve releases, and clean them up and put them into a cvs archive, so we could all contribute, but both times, he simply ignored my patches until he could bring out a new release, and that new release totally rejected all my patches. I ffered my patches either as the cvs archive, or as a set of patches, so He could take or rejct them as he wanted, but he simply ignored them all, didn't even comment on them. How can you contribute to a person who won't communicate and who rejects your attempt to fix things, by ignoring you? The only thing he didn't ignore was my check!

So, this constitutes my complaints against sashz, because while I would love to contribute to this project, sashz won't use any tools that allow community contributions, and doesn't integrate patches, and takes weeks even to answer simple emails. If we could only get evena smallish crew of folks who wanted to work on this together, I would coach all who needed it in cvs and ssh operations. We'd need to start with one dumpo o f source code. Sashz's code, in the past, has been littered with little local bugs. I would offer (once only, because I actually did this twice in the past, and sashz ignored both atttempts) to clean the sourcves up, so they could serve as a clean development base. I would onlyu ask that folks agree to try. No money wanted, either, folks. If you send it, the checks will decorate my circular file (I won't even bother to send them back!). Just be ready to contribute, and share your work!

Well, anyone want to do this? I would ONLY let sash in if he agrees to share his work!

If you want to do this, write me. In fact, maybe would should start a new topic here, it I can get at least 4-6 folks woh want to code.
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post Jun 14 2006, 03:54 PM
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hmmm ... dunno if its an entirely good idea to have a pdaXOrom (O fr Open? tongue.gif) ... wink.gif

But hey, if this helps make pdaXrom move a tad faster ... count me in.
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post Jun 14 2006, 04:09 PM
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I dont want to join the team to plot against sash (Not saying that is your intention chuckr)...

But I'm not one to build an application from scratch... but I can review code and look for flaws and glitchs... So if this is a team with sash involved I would be willing to help out...

Almost like a trial and error kind of guy... :-)

Sash keep up the good work though... and congrats on the new job!
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post Jun 14 2006, 05:28 PM
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How the heck is opening up pdaXrom to a collaborative means of progressing it a plot against anyone? Surely collaboration is merely that, a joint effort towards a common goal!
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post Jun 14 2006, 08:43 PM
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While I have much appreciation for the excellent job Sashz has been doing with pdaXrom, I also feel that allowing the (large) community to help out with development by using some sort of version control system (such as CVS) would speed up development towards a very stable distribution.

pdaXrom has a lot of potential, but at the moment it has many small bugs that could be fixed quite quickly by the users who are affected by them who could then share them with the rest of the community instead of having to wait a month or two until the next release (which often comes with a whole new set of bugs).

This could also help out Sashz who would have more time to work on new features, instead of having to worry about fixing all the bugs in the old release.

It would also be easier to develop extra features by anyone, as people would all be working with the same version of code, and their changes could be integrated easily using the tools provided by CVS (or other version control system).


I have no problem with Sashz and Laze still having full control over the integration of patches, such as what happens with the main linux kernel, where the core developers have to approve patches, but anyone can submit them and people can see the submitted patches, and bugs get fixed very quickly.

That being said, congratulations on the new job Sashz, I hope it goes well.
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post Jun 14 2006, 10:22 PM
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Just curious to ask. Long time ago when I went to the pdaXrom old site I saw pics of numerous developers. So I was thinking it was all development team work. And the few donations i've done was also meant to the team. But what is really going on now? I also got an impression that it's become a one man band. Anyone can explain this to me, please?
I'm also going for the idea to have a working cvs-like thing. Since it is one of the most advanced projects of embedded Linux, there will be tons of testers, contributors and a good team of developers. So what's the bad thing actually? Why not?
Sashz is great, and a good team is even better for sure. I think this is what most pdaXrom folks want. smile.gif
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