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Posted by: ghostshadow Jun 27 2007, 09:14 AM

This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close. Basically it's an ultra portable. It's going to be flash based. I think with 4gb of storage at launch, there are rumors of an 8 gig and possibly a 16 gig one will be out too.

It will have 512 megs of ram which is shared with the video, it will also have built in wifi, usb, audio jacks. (i hope a PCMCIA slot) 5200mAh battery. It looks like it's going to be a nice little machine, it will come factory shipped with Xandros, it will also be able to run XP (yeuck) if desired. But, of course XP will cost you an additional 100 dollars.

The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular. With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability. I really think it'll be a nice little success, I just hope it'll have a PCMCIA slot for additional wifi cards wink.gif

Edit: here it is on linux devices.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html

I want one, very cool.

Posted by: desertrat Jun 27 2007, 11:16 AM

QUOTE(ghostshadow @ Jun 27 2007, 05:14 PM)
This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close.
Jeez, you must've giant palms smile.gif It's twice as long and twice as wide as the Z.

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The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular.
For that price it's a pretty good portable device.

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With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability.
It will only be cool if you can easily install your own flavour of Linux and hence have access to a full range of apps. If you're stuck with some embedded version of Linux (like eg Qtopia on the Sharp rom) with no easy to compile/port standard linux apps then it will be of marginal interest to me. That's why pdaXrom rocks smile.gif

Posted by: adf Jun 27 2007, 11:55 AM

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 27 2007, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE(ghostshadow @ Jun 27 2007, 05:14 PM)
This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close.
Jeez, you must've giant palms smile.gif It's twice as long and twice as wide as the Z.

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The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular.
For that price it's a pretty good portable device.

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With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability.
It will only be cool if you can easily install your own flavour of Linux and hence have access to a full range of apps. If you're stuck with some embedded version of Linux (like eg Qtopia on the Sharp rom) with no easy to compile/port standard linux apps then it will be of marginal interest to me. That's why pdaXrom rocks smile.gif
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I was thinking a pdaXrom port to this and other olpc-alikes would be a good idea, actually.

Posted by: B_Lizzard Jun 27 2007, 12:18 PM

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/, if you haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Jun 27 2007, 01:52 PM

Looks good. These mobile devices keep getting better (and, luckily, cheaper).

Posted by: ghostshadow Jun 28 2007, 02:20 PM

Wow,

Those pictures were awesome! It looks really sleek I think. SD slot and 4 usb 2.0's. Hmm, it'd be sweet if it could boot from one of those ports. If it can, then installing a different distro might be feasible. I hope!

Posted by: Snappy Jun 28 2007, 08:19 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Jun 28 2007, 05:52 AM)
Looks good. These mobile devices keep getting better (and, luckily, cheaper).
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Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif

Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.

I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.

Posted by: desertrat Jun 28 2007, 09:52 PM

QUOTE(Snappy @ Jun 29 2007, 04:19 AM)
Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif
Maybe Intel are doing an M$ and are giving away the CPUs to Asus - in an attempt to undermine the OLPC? Note that Intel's own "low cost" effort isn't exactly low cost, but they cannot afford to sell it at lower than cost price without facing charges of dumping - they can sidestep that by making a deal with Asus. Am I sounding too much like a conspiracy theorist? smile.gif

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Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.
At less than $200 I shouldn't think they have much difficulty shifting units especially to Linux enthusiasts. But it's not going to be released until Autumn and I can't wait laugh.gif

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I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.
I believe their pricing was very reasonable considering what you got for the money. Remember it came with a full productivity suite builtin (Word, Sheet, Data etc) which eg on the Palms you had buy 3rd party apps for. The memory and screen was far bigger than any Palm of that vintage. As for the wince machines some may have had better hardware by the time Psion withdrew from the market, but they were and still are crippled by an inferior OS and inferior bundled apps. The bottom line is that for the other machines to begin approaching the productivity that you can get out of a stock Psion you would have to spend a fair bit of money on 3rd party apps - so IMO the Psions are very good value for money. Then there are the things that money can't buy - the excellent keyboard, the stability of the OS, the benefits of an OS specifically designed around the peculiarities of a small device.

Posted by: adf Jun 28 2007, 11:38 PM

Yeah--- re the unfair competition in an attempt to killl the olpc and either addict or exclude the poor-- I'll buy an olpc for more, and wit for it, too---if they really intend to sell them to individuals

Posted by: zodttd Jun 28 2007, 11:57 PM

I heard it will be 200 pounds. Which is closer to the $350 range.

Posted by: Snappy Jun 29 2007, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
QUOTE(Snappy @ Jun 29 2007, 04:19 AM)
Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif
Maybe Intel are doing an M$ and are giving away the CPUs to Asus - in an attempt to undermine the OLPC? Note that Intel's own "low cost" effort isn't exactly low cost, but they cannot afford to sell it at lower than cost price without facing charges of dumping - they can sidestep that by making a deal with Asus. Am I sounding too much like a conspiracy theorist? smile.gif


It is possible. smile.gif They could do it to push for their Intel platform, like by subsidizing the per chip cost with marketing or business development funds. The wonders of accounting! tongue.gif

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
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Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.
At less than $200 I shouldn't think they have much difficulty shifting units especially to Linux enthusiasts. But it's not going to be released until Autumn and I can't wait laugh.gif


Aye ... that's why the Kohjinsha is such a winner ... biggrin.gif ... it is delivered. And although it still misses the $500 price and all day computing promise, I would say that it is one of the closes hit compared to other UMPC devices.

The one thing I hope manufacturers realise is that when they open up their platform, whether through open sourcing their whole OS, or at least provide a comprehensive SDK, then users and hobbists alike can develop apps and grow their platform. Think Palm & Psion.

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
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I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.
I believe their pricing was very reasonable considering what you got for the money. Remember it came with a full productivity suite builtin (Word, Sheet, Data etc) which eg on the Palms you had buy 3rd party apps for. The memory and screen was far bigger than any Palm of that vintage. As for the wince machines some may have had better hardware by the time Psion withdrew from the market, but they were and still are crippled by an inferior OS and inferior bundled apps. The bottom line is that for the other machines to begin approaching the productivity that you can get out of a stock Psion you would have to spend a fair bit of money on 3rd party apps - so IMO the Psions are very good value for money. Then there are the things that money can't buy - the excellent keyboard, the stability of the OS, the benefits of an OS specifically designed around the peculiarities of a small device.
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Guess you are right, I should be honest with myself. When the psion was out, I was still a broke student and the retailers and businesses here do not necessarily bring in good stuffs in those days. They only cared about short term matters like paying the bills and not planning long term strategies such as working on partnerships with OEMs, though I should confess that OEMs may not be interested with small frys as well ... tongue.gif

Anyway ... yes, Psions are quite useful productivity tools, matter of fact, as I mentioned in another thread, I've got the psion emulator installed so that I can use the Agenda program amongst others.

Let's see how this pan out. Hopefully, these companies would open source their contribution so that their implementation is not stuck in one device. Then again ... ...

Posted by: Snappy Jun 29 2007, 05:27 PM

QUOTE(adf @ Jun 29 2007, 03:38 PM)
Yeah--- re the unfair competition in an attempt to killl the olpc and either addict or exclude the poor-- I'll buy an olpc for more, and wit for it, too---if they really intend to sell them to individuals
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Well, Intel is a business entity. But still, sometimes it is quite a sad human state to see how they will criticise a project or vision just on the merit (or demerit) that it is proposed by a business competitor. *sic*

Reminds me of politicians.

I wonder if there will ever be the day when businesses (or politicians) will give due praise to their competitor's work and not just criticise based on banner and slogan.

ok, getting too complicated for this thread ... tongue.gif

Posted by: adf Jun 29 2007, 09:53 PM

The way I see it, though is not that Intel/MS want to rplace the OLPC with something better and cheaper. They want to squeeze it out, even if it means short term losses to them. Afterwhich, they will attmpt as near a perfect monopoly as possible and abuse it to the extent they can. We really shouldn't tolerate this sort of thing-it was obviously immoral at the end of the 19th century. Why should we excuse it as "just business" at the beginning of th 21st? Are trying to model ourselves on the more unfortunate extras from "The Sporanos?." Businesses can be held accountable to standards of decent and reasonable behavior if we want them to be. This is why, for example, we have governments ( Hobbes figuired out this bit 300 years ago).

Posted by: desertrat Jun 29 2007, 11:01 PM

But the problem is that governments (members of government to be precise) are funded by businesses to look after their interests. You have to break that vicious circle.

Posted by: adf Jun 30 2007, 12:12 AM

Yeah... we do have a problem along those lines theae days

Posted by: Snappy Jun 30 2007, 08:07 AM

You are right, no one should tolerate such business practices, and no one is advocating that we should. smile.gif

This is a bit like what Moore mentioned in an interview for Sicko, about how it does not make sense that a basic thing like medical care is linked to profit margins.

To regulate or not regulate. hmmm ....

Posted by: ZDevil Aug 25 2007, 11:06 PM

Found a nice preview of this beast:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13177

Very temping indeed... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: adf Aug 26 2007, 12:46 PM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Aug 25 2007, 11:06 PM)
Found a nice preview of this beast:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13177

Very temping indeed...  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, it is tempting--and the OLPC is nowhere to be had, yet. I guess I'll sit on my hands til some more reviews, distros, etc come out--and maybe the OLPC will show by then too.

Posted by: freizugheit Oct 2 2007, 12:26 AM

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13366

Two pricings: namely US$200 and US$400.

The prototype looks promising and runs Linux too.

It could be a real Zaurus killer if they are available.

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 16 2007, 09:27 AM

It's out! And according to the news it's selling darn fast!

An "open-box" report in a Chinese forum in Taiwan: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=233&t=422828&p=1

Another thread with lots of nice pictures: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=233&t=422914&last=3855560

Prices
7,999.00 TWD (~244.5 USD) = 2GB SSD, 256MB DDR2 Ram
9,999.00 TWD (~305.7 USD) = 4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram
11,000.00 TWD (~336.3 USD) = 4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

Speed(-y) performance (with the *cheapest* model)
Booting up: 35 seconds
Firefox: ~40 seconds
OpenOffice 2.0: 10 seconds

Edges over the Z: (my little 2 cents tongue.gif )
SSD, builtin Wifi (but not bluetooth, well a usb bt dongle just costs a few bucks now), camera, SDHC support, 3xUSB (on both sides -- nice!), 5,200 mAh battery, Debian-based Xandro (gimme the .deb-z!), Skype (YES!)
... and most importantly,
the top model is even cheaper than a new SL-C3200!

For now only the white casing is available. Once the black one (it's printed on the box) is out I will surely grab one ... while waiting for the news for its 2nd generation.

Running a native toolchain this beast will be a true Z killer!

Posted by: RX Shorty Oct 16 2007, 11:53 AM

Looks pretty interesting if you ask me.
Think of buying one too.

But a Zaurus killer?
Hmm Don't think it is the same range.
It is a bigger then the Zaurus (fits in your pocket)
Then again a sweet device!

Anybody knows some shops outside Asia?

Thanks biggrin.gif

Posted by: Antikx Oct 16 2007, 12:04 PM

Looks like a great device, thanks for the info!
My opinion is that it's a laptop replacement more then a Zaurus replacement.

Posted by: speculatrix Oct 16 2007, 02:44 PM

13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!

then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-intros-nanobook-ultra-mobile-device-600-ultraportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce260-and-261-umpcs-get-the-fcc-treatment/ for followup)

we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons

Posted by: adf Oct 16 2007, 04:34 PM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 16 2007, 02:44 PM) *
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!

then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-intros-nanobook-ultra-mobile-device-600-ultraportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce260-and-261-umpcs-get-the-fcc-treatment/ for followup)

we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons

Blech. This was cool for about $200 USD. Not pushing $500 for the minimal config. i bet anyone who makes the nanobook will sell it for twice its recommended price, too. At thes prices, a laptop and a smartphone look like a better bet.

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 16 2007, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 17 2007, 12:44 AM) *
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!
then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-intros-nanobook-ultra-mobile-device-600-ultraportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce260-and-261-umpcs-get-the-fcc-treatment/ for followup)
we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons


I think rather differently. tongue.gif
A laptop at this price would be a piece of crap. Heavy, short battery life, not so portable. Something that I very probably would feel like throwing against a hard solid wall. I also bet it won't launch OOo in 10 secs.
And in what sense is the kohjinsha much better than this? The old model always suffers from short battery power (2 hours). And i am not sure which linux distro now can run on this beast. The new models of Kohjinsha are at least twice the price of the top model of Eee PC.
SSD is surely way better than a mechanical harddrive.
Isn't the nano book planned to sell at $600? That's a lot more expensive and for that price difference, as you say, I can buy one (or two) very big SDHC cards. or an external hard drive plus an external DVD burner.
Perhaps I will hold out until a second generation of Eee PC with a newer processor for umpc and cheaper SSD (by that time) shows up.
The fun part of the Eee PC is you can truly have a decent and cheap "snap'n go" laptop replacement.
I am becoming less and less sure about the idea of a "zaurus replacement". Since my Zaurus is now running full Debian (full OpenBSD earlier on), i think it is now fair to compare (relatively) small gadgets with the same price range as the Z (i mean the C3x00 models; Cxx0 and C1000 are not so up to the job to (although they still can) run full distros, though. I guess I am talking about the real "cost performance ratio" and no religion or aesthetics.

Posted by: adf Oct 16 2007, 10:59 PM

I dunno-- for price/performance I'd be happier to spend $500 on a refurb laptop. Here is a result of a 10 second search ($529 usd) from the first site I clicked on:
Compaq Presario C304NR Notebook

* Compaq Presario C304NR notebook meets all your computing needs
* Laptop features the fast 1.6GHz Intel Celeron M420
* Convenient notebook is must have portable computer
* 512MB RAM
* 80GB hard drive
* DVD/CD-RW combo drive
* 15.4 inch TFT flat panel display
* 56K modem
* NIC
* Win XP Home operating system
* Windows Vista capable

This high-quality item has been factory reconditioned. Please click on the icon above for more information on quality factory-reconditioned merchandise.

Shipping: Leaves our warehouse in 1-4 business days.*

Warranty: 90 Day - Manufacturer
Materials: electronics
Model No: rl177ua
Dimensions: 10.2 in. L x 14.1 in. W x 1.38 in. D

I would guess that by looking more closely one could do better.

Not a miracle machine, but it'd open ooo quick enough, and handle on-the-road web stuff (I use nvu and moodle a good bit) pretty well. I'm not buying anything either, but I would have picked up an eeepc at the announced price to display and encourage that sort of highly portable inexpensive technology. At close to the price of the laptop above, the eeepc seems sillly. If it were a more powerfule device, or a more portable one, it'd be different. In my case, anything that doesn't fit in my pocket will see almost the entirety of its use near an ac or a dc (car) outlet. Even my Z, when travelling is mostly near a wall socket or a car socket--how much more true would that be of something that REQUIRES that it be carried in a bag? If we agree (and you are free not to, of course) that even the eeepc will go in a bag and be mostly near external power sources, then what is gained? The light weight is really nice, but the trade off in power and screen real estate seems to me to be problematic, and not offset by simply the weight issue, or better battery life. If there were no Z's, and I thought I'd use the eeepc as a portable media player, or something, that might be different--but phones (aside from the Z) do that stuff as well as cheap tiny dedicated devices--and both can have excellent battery life while remaining pocketable (Same for email, and other traveller's necessities).

I guess I'm disappointed in the eeepc mostly because I thought that maybe there'd be some light, inexpensive, portable gadget that would really suit students in the U.S. and since the OLPC won't be appearing here anytime soon, I'd hoped the nano or the eeepc would fit the bill.

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 17 2007, 12:25 AM

Hey, but now you are talking about a different price range (> 500 USD). You may keep adding a bit more then we have the UPMCs, which may not be worth the money because many of them are even more expensive than my macbook (I got it for around 1200 1050 USD)
I would be quite happy with the 2nd top model (4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera). The speed test of the lowest end model already shows quite impressive result. And the idea of having SSD is not for one to put everything in there. The SDHC port plus 3 USB hosts will suffice for mobile solutions.
This 326 USD (2/3 of the price of my 3200) can actually give me something the 3200 cannot.
To balance my view, what Eee and the like cannot beat the Z at this stage is pocketability and touchscreen.
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Oct 17 2007, 03:44 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 17 2007, 03:25 AM) *
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.

Totally agree.

Posted by: fpp Oct 17 2007, 05:20 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 16 2007, 09:11 PM) *
And in what sense is the kohjinsha much better than this? The old model always suffers from short battery power (2 hours).

That is backwards. The original Kohjinsha (the SA1), with the AMD Geode CPU and XP, has a terrific autonomy with the standard battery (4.5 to 5 hours). It's the newer ones (SH6 and SH8), with the same Intel CPU as the EEE and Vista, that have a problem (barely 2 hrs).

As for the comparison between the SA1 and the EEE :

SA1 pros:

- builtin bluetooth
- swiveling screen with joystick & mouse/scroll buttons (sort of tablet mode sans touchscreen)
- fanless
- great battery life
- easily upgradable (disk/RAM)

SA1 cons:

- crappy keyboard
- not sold outside japan

Depends on user :

- not natively Linux
- hard disk instead of flash

Posted by: adf Oct 17 2007, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 17 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Hey, but now you are talking about a different price range (> 500 USD). You may keep adding a bit more then we have the UPMCs, which may not be worth the money because many of them are even more expensive than my macbook (I got it for around 1200 1050 USD)
I would be quite happy with the 2nd top model (4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera). The speed test of the lowest end model already shows quite impressive result. And the idea of having SSD is not for one to put everything in there. The SDHC port plus 3 USB hosts will suffice for mobile solutions.
This 326 USD (2/3 of the price of my 3200) can actually give me something the 3200 cannot.
To balance my view, what Eee and the like cannot beat the Z at this stage is pocketability and touchscreen.
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.

Sorry, I thought it said $464-- In fact, given the price of the n810, I'm inclined to rethink my criticism. Maybe one of these lurks in my future smile.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM

A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

Posted by: adf Oct 26 2007, 08:43 PM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 26 2007, 11:57 PM

QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


Yeah, but neo1973 is still developer preview?
If Nokia N810 had phone functionality ... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: snk4ever Oct 27 2007, 09:58 AM

QUOTE(adf @ Oct 26 2007, 08:43 PM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


This is my plan for an ultimate combo for 2008. Selling some of my extra geeky stuff right now. But I still keep the Zaurus for fun of course !

Posted by: adf Oct 27 2007, 10:18 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 11:57 PM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


Yeah, but neo1973 is still developer preview?
If Nokia N810 had phone functionality ... rolleyes.gif

Neo is supposed to be out this winter. the openmoko website is certainly looking like they are gearing up for buisiness

Posted by: speculatrix Oct 27 2007, 12:42 PM

QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 07:18 PM) *
Neo is supposed to be out this winter. the openmoko website is certainly looking like they are gearing up for buisiness


well, the good news about the FIC Neo is that Trolltech have adopted it as their platform (dropping the greephone, which a friend tells me is quite a good but very basic phone), so, even if the Openmoko people don't get beyond having a stable kernel (I'm told by a friend of the friend who has greenphone that his recently received openmoko doesn't even boot!), at least you can run all the Qtopia-phone stuff!

Posted by: ZDevil Oct 27 2007, 01:20 PM

Qtopia is Cool!
I hope it is the new Qtopia instead of the good old one like the Sharp rom ...

Afterthought:
Wait... Perhaps I don't really need the Eee PC for now. The Neo1973 will also make a very nice companion to my debianized Zaurus. laugh.gif

Posted by: desertrat Oct 30 2007, 04:29 AM

QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.

Posted by: adf Oct 30 2007, 06:19 AM

QUOTE(desertrat @ Oct 30 2007, 04:29 AM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.

argh.

Ah well-- I need to put some money in my truck right now anyway- and My Z & good old nokia are doing their jobs very well.

Posted by: snk4ever Oct 30 2007, 07:40 AM

QUOTE(desertrat @ Oct 30 2007, 05:29 AM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.

Yes, that sucks but the free mini-pci slot that is available on this should save us !
Of course it will be an aditionnal cost but still it's doable.

Posted by: fpp Oct 30 2007, 10:36 AM

Beware : it's a mini-pci-EXPRESS slot - quite tiny !

...but some clever hackers have already put that tiny space to good use, for NT and more :
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D233%26t%3D419542%26last%3D3824500&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Posted by: RX Shorty Oct 31 2007, 03:43 AM

Well it is going to be very expensive if you want to buy the Windows version, but then again who wants that?

I pre-orderd a Linux one... still pretty expensive in the Netherlands.
And have to wait until January... huh.gif

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM

The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites. I can only hope the sales of this model will end up being enough for them to release the 1024x600 8G model later on.

Posted by: fpp Nov 2 2007, 09:42 AM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 3 2007, 02:24 PM

QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 2 2007, 05:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?


It is more opinion than fact, but yes, I have tried it. I have both a Nokia 770 and a Libretto 100CT with 800x480 displays and have browsed the web with them. IMO, while tolerable for quick things, longer uses (say over lunch) the horizontal scrolling gets to be annoying, and is even worse for Flash based sites that expect 1024x768. While likely a huge step up over browsing the web on a VGA Zaurus(I've only had a QVGA Z in the past, so I can't say), it still has limitations for my usage. Even the reply window on this forum is bigger than 800 pixels wide. Switch to 800x600 resolution and size a Firefox window to fit that, you might be surprised how limiting it can be with some websites.

I'm still contemplating purchasing it anyway, as my Lifebook is still down, and I'm not sure I can revive it. sad.gif Around $300 to replace it with another P1120, or $400 to get a serious step up in processing power and RAM, but with a lower resolution display.

Posted by: adf Nov 3 2007, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 2 2007, 05:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?


It is more opinion than fact, but yes, I have tried it. I have both a Nokia 770 and a Libretto 100CT with 800x480 displays and have browsed the web with them. IMO, while tolerable for quick things, longer uses (say over lunch) the horizontal scrolling gets to be annoying, and is even worse for Flash based sites that expect 1024x768. While likely a huge step up over browsing the web on a VGA Zaurus(I've only had a QVGA Z in the past, so I can't say), it still has limitations for my usage. Even the reply window on this forum is bigger than 800 pixels wide. Switch to 800x600 resolution and size a Firefox window to fit that, you might be surprised how limiting it can be with some websites.

I'm still contemplating purchasing it anyway, as my Lifebook is still down, and I'm not sure I can revive it. sad.gif Around $300 to replace it with another P1120, or $400 to get a serious step up in processing power and RAM, but with a lower resolution display.

Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 3 2007, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(adf @ Nov 3 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)


There is a VGA out port that goes to 1280x1024. I suppose you could take a PocketTV converter for hotel use. I'm not sure how many people that would suit, though. For me, I would use this for times I would be away from a monitor or TV I could control. I have a box at home that is much more powerful.

I've been looking into retrofitting a different display into the spot where the current LCD is. I'll need a lot more information on the LCD interface, and how much space there is in the top.

Download Squad released a couple of videos of the software with the shipping version of the unit(definately view before deciding to purchase one):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ5PWFRFBs

Some bad points; the 'advanced desktop' option is gone, only 1.2 GB of storage free, websites don't all work well with the resolution and they recommend the 'Fuller screen' extension to mitigate the limited vertical size, and the normal add/remove programs only have updates to the programs that it ships with so far.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTLEQdifeBU

Some good points; the terminal is invokable, and Konqueror can be loaded from there, full Synaptic is available and you can add Debian repositories to it. More bad, but likely fixable; the applications installed via Synaptic don't show up in the basic desktop.

Posted by: speculatrix Nov 3 2007, 04:07 PM

it's not as expensive as first thought - well, only if you happen to get five for the price of one!
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/02/five_eee_pcs/

Posted by: adf Nov 3 2007, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 3 2007, 04:02 PM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Nov 3 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)


There is a VGA out port that goes to 1280x1024. I suppose you could take a PocketTV converter for hotel use. I'm not sure how many people that would suit, though. For me, I would use this for times I would be away from a monitor or TV I could control. I have a box at home that is much more powerful.

I've been looking into retrofitting a different display into the spot where the current LCD is. I'll need a lot more information on the LCD interface, and how much space there is in the top.

Download Squad released a couple of videos of the software with the shipping version of the unit(definately view before deciding to purchase one):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ5PWFRFBs

Some bad points; the 'advanced desktop' option is gone, only 1.2 GB of storage free, websites don't all work well with the resolution and they recommend the 'Fuller screen' extension to mitigate the limited vertical size, and the normal add/remove programs only have updates to the programs that it ships with so far.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTLEQdifeBU

Some good points; the terminal is invokable, and Konqueror can be loaded from there, full Synaptic is available and you can add Debian repositories to it. More bad, but likely fixable; the applications installed via Synaptic don't show up in the basic desktop.

One would think the desktop could be replaced entirely....or edited to suit. I hope Asus hasn't decided to make that difficult

Posted by: brashley46 Nov 5 2007, 12:11 PM

Okay, I've actually had my hands on one now for five minutes ... it's cute, and powerful, but the regular Xandros KDE desktop is missing, and I'd really rather have that. (But I run Xandros on my home desktop machine, so I'm used to it.)

The only one Canada Computers on College Street in Toronto had left was a return, because the wifi wasn't connecting. So I don't know what the 'net looks like on the boxlet. The display is readable, though.

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 5 2007, 02:44 PM

Since it can boot XP, there's little doubt that it can't run a another distribution of Linux(have to find out if there are any binary drivers to muck things up, but there are ways around that). Also, it seems that most everything is either already installed or installable from the full Xandros, so the only thing missing is the button on the pre-release and/or Asian models to go to advanced mode.

Does anyone know of B&M stores likely to have the EEE in the US? A hands-on would really help me nail some things down.

Posted by: ArchiMark Nov 6 2007, 11:45 AM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 5 2007, 02:44 PM) *
Since it can boot XP, there's little doubt that it can't run a another distribution of Linux(have to find out if there are any binary drivers to muck things up, but there are ways around that). Also, it seems that most everything is either already installed or installable from the full Xandros, so the only thing missing is the button on the pre-release and/or Asian models to go to advanced mode.

Does anyone know of B&M stores likely to have the EEE in the US? A hands-on would really help me nail some things down.



Depends where you're located, Tom61....

I'm in Silicone Valley, so I saw one at the local MicroCenter on Sunday...used it for about 5 minutes and I was sold on it!

Also, CentralComputer here in SV has them for sale.....

It's hard to find them in stores yet....the few places that got them, sold most or all of them right away....

Costco selling them but only online, I checked... ;-(

HTH,

Mark

Posted by: fpp Nov 6 2007, 02:15 PM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:24 PM) *
It is more opinion than fact, but yes, I have tried it. I have both a Nokia 770 and a Libretto 100CT with 800x480 displays and have browsed the web with them. IMO, while tolerable for quick things, longer uses (say over lunch) the horizontal scrolling gets to be annoying, and is even worse for Flash based sites that expect 1024x768.

Well, I've never laid my hands on a Libretto, but I've also had a 770 for the past two years, and a Kohjinsha SA1 (which is exactly the same form factor as the EEE) for the past year, and it's very clear to me that the browsing experience at 800x480 is totally different between the two.

Surfing on the 770 (with the built-in Opera) does involve some compromises and generates much swearing ; while sufing on the SA1 (with a regular Firefox and all the useful extensions) feels quite natural to me. I have used it for days on end without feeling frustrated or limited (but then I tend to avoid Flash sites like the plague, so maybe our prerequisites are very different :-)

QUOTE
Switch to 800x600 resolution and size a Firefox window to fit that, you might be surprised how limiting it can be with some websites.

I did that a while ago when coding an app to run on my VGA Zaurus, and I believe that resizing a window on a regular desktop monitor gives you only the faintest of ideas of what the actual result will be on the target display (which is generally better).

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 6 2007, 08:15 PM

QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 6 2007, 10:15 PM) *
Well, I've never laid my hands on a Libretto, but I've also had a 770 for the past two years, and a Kohjinsha SA1 (which is exactly the same form factor as the EEE) for the past year, and it's very clear to me that the browsing experience at 800x480 is totally different between the two.

Surfing on the 770 (with the built-in Opera) does involve some compromises and generates much swearing ; while sufing on the SA1 (with a regular Firefox and all the useful extensions) feels quite natural to me. I have used it for days on end without feeling frustrated or limited (but then I tend to avoid Flash sites like the plague, so maybe our prerequisites are very different :-)


I did factor out the limitations of both devices as best I could (N770's very small display and limited browser, and the Libretto's near antique status), and focused on the display resolution vs. page width itself. Also, I was browsing with a system limited to 800x600 browsing the time with Firefox at the time of the post.

As far as browsing it depends on the sites most important to you I suppose. Horizontal scrolling gets on my nerves easily, someone that cares less about it can probably tolerate sites that think everyone has 1024x768 displays. Also, it depends on what you're used to, I have an ultra-portable in this size with a 1024x600 display that I've been using for a while, going down to 800x480 for roughly the same size of notebook (the EEE is one inch less wide) is a hard to consider.Here's the two laptops I keep mentally reference when thinking about the EEE: http://flickr.com/photos/tom61/477501224/


QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 6 2007, 07:45 PM) *
Depends where you're located, Tom61....
I'm in Silicone Valley, so I saw one at the local MicroCenter on Sunday...used it for about 5 minutes and I was sold on it!

HTH,

Mark


I'm in Missouri, so most shops in California aren't accessible to me. There might be a MicroCenter hiding somewhere, I'll have to check Google Local.

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 8 2007, 10:01 PM

Add a Start Menu with addition applications:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=9249#p9249

Apparently, this notebook uses a themed IceWM by default.

Anybody keeping track of any good blogs dedicated to this notebook?

Posted by: cwaig Nov 9 2007, 05:47 AM

I just took delivery of one of an EeePC (for my wife) - it's really very cool. Reminds me of the clamshell Zaurii when I first saw them.

I'll be honest and say it kills the Zaurus dead in terms of the software/hardware support. A quick play with it showed that vast amounts of standard linux apps came pre-installed as standard (kde's PIM stuff, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader, etc) - and all configured and working. YouTube video worked first time, suspend just worked, WIFI was easy, sound + video playback - the list goes on....

It's roughly twice the size of a clamshell Z. But I have to say, it wipes the floor with it.

And this is me, long time Zaurus fanboy (SL5500, SL6000, etc) talking. I'd still keep an SL series Z for reading ebooks on the move, but beyond that, I don't see a reason to own the clamshell Zaurus anymore - the Eee is just too well done, and astonishingly cheap.

Posted by: speculatrix Nov 9 2007, 06:18 AM

QUOTE(cwaig @ Nov 9 2007, 01:47 PM) *
I'll be honest and say it kills the Zaurus dead in terms of the software/hardware support. A quick play with it showed that vast amounts of


I think the comparison is a little bit unfair - the Z's processor is only 400MHz ARM designed for very low power and relatively low CPU performance with passive cooling.

The eepc has a highly advanced 600MHz Intel with superscalar architecture, being eight times the volume means there's lots more room for a large battery and cooling fans; even then it doesn't manage the usage on batteries of the Z.

If, and it's quite possible, the eepc could be reduced in size to make it only a little bigger than, say, the Nokia tablets, then I think the compariso would be fairer.

Posted by: desertrat Nov 9 2007, 06:36 AM

I have just got myself the black model of this thing (I think it looks much better than the white). First impressions are it is quite a sturdy little beast, it feels solid and there are no give and no squeaky parts or anything like that (in contrast to some of the reports that I've read which says construction is flimsy). Haven't managed to get wireless working yet. Using the wired ethernet skype and web browsing is fine, youtube works even.

Funny thing: maybe because I got my Eee in HK it comes with an English<->Chinese dictionary, in the settings you can configure the font size and one of the choice is "Largerest", you can also configure the language used for the interface but the label is "Laguange". I sure hope that the dictionary entries themselves are not full of mistakes smile.gif

If there is any interest I may write up a more comprehensive report after I've played around with the thing a bit more.

Posted by: zmiq2 Nov 9 2007, 08:22 AM

Can any of you comment on:

- does it make noise?
- wifi surfing battery life?
- firefox is standard firefox, i.e. extensions can be installed on?

I'm waiting also to see if anyone is able to use the unused internal minipci to install a 3G card there !

Thanks

Posted by: ArchiMark Nov 9 2007, 10:48 AM

QUOTE(brashley46 @ Nov 5 2007, 12:11 PM) *
but the regular Xandros KDE desktop is missing, and I'd really rather have that. (But I run Xandros on my home desktop machine, so I'm used to it.)


brashley46,

Check out the eeeuser.com forums as well as the following webpage link below which has very simple way to enable 'Advanced Desktop Mode' which gives you the regular KDE start menu and desktop that you miss...

I did it and it works great....

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/11/06/eee-pc-tips-a-crash-course-in-linux/


Guys, for the price, this lil' bad boy can't be beat....lots o' fun....

cool.gif

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 9 2007, 04:39 PM

For those about to get/have gotten theirs a mini-review or full review would be great. Including what devices you've had before and comparing them to the EEE would be good as well.

I'm increasingly tempted, as it seems that the P1120 market has started biding more, and I could potentially offset a fair amount of the EEE's cost even by selling my basket of P1120 parts.

Posted by: ArchiMark Nov 9 2007, 06:57 PM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 9 2007, 04:39 PM) *
For those about to get/have gotten theirs a mini-review or full review would be great. Including what devices you've had before and comparing them to the EEE would be good as well.


Might be able to do review later....

But in meantime, here's some links to give you overview and some idea of mods for eee PC....

http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/10/25/its-worth-the-wait-eee-pc-first-impressions/

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4055

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsId=4062

http://www.eeeuser.com/

http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/11/06/eee-pc-tips-a-crash-course-in-linux/

http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/10/29/eee-pc-xandros-linux-review/

http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/10/27/lets-talk-about-the-eee-pc-bios/


HTH,

Mark

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 9 2007, 09:12 PM

Thanks ArchiMark. I've already read all those. ph34r.gif I look forward to your review.

I'm very close to jumping in and getting one myself.

Any tips on accessories? I have a 2.5" external 60GB HD and a 8x DVD+-RW slimline USB drive already, as well as a powered USB hub and thumbdrives. Current plan is buying the notebook with a 8GB SDHC (tripling the space for $65 seems worth it).

Posted by: desertrat Nov 10 2007, 02:53 AM

QUOTE(zmiq2 @ Nov 9 2007, 04:22 PM) *
- does it make noise?
Yes the fan makes a noise, but it's very quiet and you can only hear it if you put your ear right next to the fan, or if you're using it in a near silent environment.

QUOTE
- wifi surfing battery life?
I've only just got wireless up and running so I can't really comment just yet. The fact that the config util for wlan chokes when you have spaces in the passphrase didn't help.

Update: I managed to get just about 3hrs out of the battery with wireless on. About 75-80% of that time I was doing heavy browsing and the remainder I was fiddling with usb BT dongles trying to get it going.

QUOTE
- firefox is standard firefox, i.e. extensions can be installed on?
Sure. I've installed the Littlefox theme on this and apart from increasing the viewing area when browsing I was surprised that it also affects the dialogs throughout firefox - ie with the default theme many of the preferences dialogs are too large and you have to ALT+drag the window up and then increase the size of the window in order to be able to view all the widgets. With Littlefox installed all the dialog are made more compact and fit within the screen sized window. Could be considered an essential install.

Posted by: ArchiMark Nov 10 2007, 07:20 AM

QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 9 2007, 09:12 PM) *
Thanks ArchiMark. I've already read all those. ph34r.gif I look forward to your review.

I'm very close to jumping in and getting one myself.

Any tips on accessories? I have a 2.5" external 60GB HD and a 8x DVD+-RW slimline USB drive already, as well as a powered USB hub and thumbdrives. Current plan is buying the notebook with a 8GB SDHC (tripling the space for $65 seems worth it).


Only accessory that I've used so far is my 4GB Transcend SD card, which works fine....

Will probably get a 8GB card soon....

Have heard of other using external HD and DVD drive and worked OK....there's a list of working accessories over at the eeeuser.com wiki....

Also, check out post #41 on this thread, kind of a mini-review....

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2653578#post2653578

HTH,

Mark

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 10 2007, 12:32 PM

OK, I'm in. I just bought one from directron with an 8GB Transcend class 6 SDHC card and 2 day Fedex shipping $475.88 after coupon code SUPER200.

Should be fun, and I need a notebook anyway.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 10 2007, 03:56 PM

Could somebody post some screenshots of doing stuff like surfing OESF and editing a text file? I'd like to know about how much can be seen on the screen, but my laptop is being dumb and won't let me change the resolution to 800x480.

Thanks.

Posted by: ArchiMark Nov 10 2007, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 10 2007, 03:56 PM) *
Could somebody post some screenshots of doing stuff like surfing OESF and editing a text file? I'd like to know about how much can be seen on the screen, but my laptop is being dumb and won't let me change the resolution to 800x480.

Thanks.


Even better I think than some screenshots, Capn_Fish. you can go for an actual test drive!

Check it out!

http://honeypothack.com/eee/internet.htm

Just click on the icons and the tabs to navigate through the eee PC, just as you would on one....found it very helpful for me before using one...

cool.gif

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 10 2007, 04:22 PM

Thanks! That is MUCH better! It appears that the screen is just big enough to be usable. I'll have to see if I can play with one at my local big box retailer soon...

Thanks again!

Posted by: adf Nov 10 2007, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 10 2007, 03:02 PM) *
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 10 2007, 03:56 PM) *
Could somebody post some screenshots of doing stuff like surfing OESF and editing a text file? I'd like to know about how much can be seen on the screen, but my laptop is being dumb and won't let me change the resolution to 800x480.

Thanks.


Even better I think than some screenshots, Capn_Fish. you can go for an actual test drive!

Check it out!

http://honeypothack.com/eee/internet.htm

Just click on the icons and the tabs to navigate through the eee PC, just as you would on one....found it very helpful for me before using one...

cool.gif

that is actually pretty cool. I was hoping to avoid that impression.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 10 2007, 04:50 PM

What impression?

One more question: Is it set up like a "normal" computer, eg standard-ish BIOS, etc.?

Posted by: desertrat Nov 10 2007, 05:28 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 11 2007, 12:50 AM) *
One more question: Is it set up like a "normal" computer, eg standard-ish BIOS, etc.?

The BIOS setup is very basic (as is the norm in notebooks). It allows you to:

1) Change the system clock
2) Configure the IDE interface and other onboard devices (usb, lan etc)
3) Set BIOS password (user and supervisor)
4) Configure boot device and priority - you can boot from the internal SSD, USB stick, USB cdrom (I've tried these), you can also apparently boot from the internal SD card reader (which I haven't tried yet). There is also the option of LAN boot.

Posted by: desertrat Nov 10 2007, 05:43 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 10 2007, 11:56 PM) *
Could somebody post some screenshots of doing stuff like surfing OESF and editing a text file?

OK here you go:

Reading OESF forums


Posting to OESF forums


Editing a text file

Posted by: adf Nov 10 2007, 06:00 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 10 2007, 03:50 PM) *
What impression?

One more question: Is it set up like a "normal" computer, eg standard-ish BIOS, etc.?

that it is cool, therefore I should buy one. I'm trying to keep tech purchases down to "necessities"

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 10 2007, 06:13 PM

QUOTE(adf @ Nov 10 2007, 08:00 PM) *
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 10 2007, 03:50 PM) *
What impression?

One more question: Is it set up like a "normal" computer, eg standard-ish BIOS, etc.?

that it is cool, therefore I should buy one. I'm trying to keep tech purchases down to "necessities"

Me too, but it is so tempting...

@desertrat: Thanks, those give a great idea of how much can be displayed on the screen.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 15 2007, 11:38 AM

A black version (same specs, same price) is out now, FWIW.

Posted by: desertrat Nov 16 2007, 12:13 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 15 2007, 07:38 PM) *
A black version (same specs, same price) is out now, FWIW.
That's old news tongue.gif I already mentioned that I got the black model over a week ago. Unfortunately it seems that there's a possibility that the black models are a newer batch which doesn't have the spare mini-pcie slot

Posted by: Capn_Fish Nov 16 2007, 12:19 PM

Is there a reason NewEgg only just started listing the black ones, or did I miss that too, and they were there all along?

Posted by: Tom61 Nov 16 2007, 08:44 PM

I got my EEE today. I've been playing with the OS more than giving it a full functionality review and photographing it. My roommate is considering getting one to replace his dieing laptop, and is fairly impressed with it, and playing with it a bunch.

QUOTE(desertrat @ Nov 16 2007, 08:13 PM) *
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 15 2007, 07:38 PM) *
A black version (same specs, same price) is out now, FWIW.
That's old news tongue.gif I already mentioned that I got the black model over a week ago. Unfortunately it seems that there's a possibility that the black models are a newer batch which doesn't have the spare mini-pcie slot


I've not heard of any US models lacking the empty Mini-PCIe port, however all UK black models, and some newer UK white models have been reported to lack that slot. If you're in store and can look before buying, if the second character of the serial is a 'B' it lacks an extra mini-PCIe slot.

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Nov 16 2007, 08:19 PM) *
Is there a reason NewEgg only just started listing the black ones, or did I miss that too, and they were there all along?


They just now were released, a few places had pre-orders, but not NewEgg.

Posted by: boardboyd Dec 7 2007, 03:14 PM

I got mine a few days ago, I like it a lot! It's exactly what I needed for doing Arduino programming, wordprocessing, spreadsheet, IM, email, webbrowsing on the go. Sad to part with my C3100, but I'm glad I made the change.

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 7 2007, 03:52 PM

I've got one for my sister yesterday. Now playing with it and doing some fine-tuning. So far I am so happy about this beast. smile.gif

I've installed a very useful package called "lazyeeepc", which includes the following enhancement of the original OS:

Some highlights:
1) New user interface and desktop functionality
2) Real Player 9 decoder for RMVB playback
3) New super-user file manager
4) Synaptic for apt-get install debian packages!
5) Skype 2.0 with video suppport!

Even though the page is in Chinese, just download the tarball extract it, execute the python script there, and choose everything to install.
Web page: http://eeelinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/lazyeeepc-004.html
Installation: http://eeelinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/lazyeeepc_26.html
Download: http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Download/?Queue=863

Posted by: the_oak Dec 7 2007, 04:16 PM

More screenshots and pics?

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 8 2007, 07:55 AM

Here is a screenshot.
Now I begin to feel no need to install other distros. After installing the lazyeeepc package, I can apt-get install all i386 debian packages just like in Debian and Ubuntu. And running in full desktop mode I get a full KDE environment which can do pretty much the same thing as in other distros.

Now replying using Eee PC with Firefox.

This is a really gorgeous machine...



But still it cannot replace my Z as I want a truly pocketable convertible (laptop <-> tablet) device for me to use on the go. laugh.gif

Posted by: dougeeebear Dec 8 2007, 05:03 PM

ZDevil,
Could you please check and see what version of Firefox is on the Eee?
I'm running 1.5 now and it would be nice if all my extensions would work.

Thanks,
Doug

Posted by: ArchiMark Dec 8 2007, 06:14 PM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 8 2007, 07:55 AM) *
Here is a screenshot.
Now I begin to feel no need to install other distros. After installing the lazyeeepc package, I can apt-get install all i386 debian packages just like in Debian and Ubuntu. And running in full desktop mode I get a full KDE environment which can do pretty much the same thing as in other distros.

[Snip...]



ZDevil, just be careful about what Debian apps you install, from what I read, not all will work well with eee as Xandros modded distro on eee, is not 100% Debian compatible....

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 8 2007, 07:52 PM

QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Dec 9 2007, 03:14 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 8 2007, 07:55 AM) *
Here is a screenshot.
Now I begin to feel no need to install other distros. After installing the lazyeeepc package, I can apt-get install all i386 debian packages just like in Debian and Ubuntu. And running in full desktop mode I get a full KDE environment which can do pretty much the same thing as in other distros.
[Snip...]

ZDevil, just be careful about what Debian apps you install, from what I read, not all will work well with eee as Xandros modded distro on eee, is not 100% Debian compatible....

I see. Thanks!

Just found this one (the 1st google hit ...): http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=875
Looks very informative and useful!

Posted by: harvell Dec 8 2007, 10:48 PM

QUOTE(dougeeebear @ Dec 8 2007, 05:03 PM) *
ZDevil,
Could you please check and see what version of Firefox is on the Eee?
I'm running 1.5 now and it would be nice if all my extensions would work.

Thanks,
Doug


Here you go buddy...check the attachment.

 

Posted by: dougeeebear Dec 9 2007, 04:43 AM

QUOTE(harvell @ Dec 9 2007, 12:48 AM) *
QUOTE(dougeeebear @ Dec 8 2007, 05:03 PM) *
ZDevil,
Could you please check and see what version of Firefox is on the Eee?
I'm running 1.5 now and it would be nice if all my extensions would work.

Thanks,
Doug


Here you go buddy...check the attachment.

Firefox 2.0
I guess I'll have to make some adjustments.

Thanks,
Doug

Posted by: TheWalt Dec 10 2007, 12:32 PM

I got one of the first black E's from NewEgg and love it. I am also glad someone mentioned www.eeeuser.com as that seems to be the main English forum right now, LOTS of good information on there.

I agree that there really isn't any hurry on adding other linux variants as the E comes with pretty much everything needed for the average user, and with the addition of a few repositories more can be easily added.

So far all I have done is upgraded to a gig of ram, enabled the menu button in easy mode, and installed newer wi-fi drivers to support PEAP so I can use it at work. As I mentioned in another post, my poor Z hasn't been turned on since.

Posted by: speculatrix Dec 10 2007, 12:55 PM

according to engadget the Nanobook is going to debut at US$400 so it will be interesting to see whether we get a whole slew of ultraportables and thin clients!

Posted by: desertrat Dec 10 2007, 05:54 PM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 8 2007, 03:55 PM) *
Here is a screenshot. [of KDE]
Hey, you haven't followed the instructions for making the ugly huge launch button smaller biggrin.gif

Posted by: dougeeebear Dec 11 2007, 02:45 PM

Well, I ordered my Eee PC 4GB Surf in Galaxy Black today from newegg.com (with next day UPS and rush order processing, of course).
I can't wait to see how it compares to my Kohjinsha ... especially the keyboard.

Posted by: Capn_Fish Dec 11 2007, 03:14 PM

I hope that comes to be. The more ultraportables, the better (especially Linux ones).

Posted by: dougeeebear Dec 11 2007, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Dec 11 2007, 05:14 PM) *
I hope that comes to be. The more ultraportables, the better (especially Linux ones).

Absolutely!!

Posted by: Snappy Dec 11 2007, 04:36 PM

This had been an amazing year for us mobile gadget users! One after another good news ... it's like finally our dreams and wishes are coming true, ok at least the ones about gadgets! tongue.gif

It's funny how prices can fall so suddenly eh? Did manufacturing suddenly become cheap or were the RetailPrices mere fabrication of the sales & marketing machine? Me thinks latter ... ... tongue.gif

In any case, here's to an early ... good X'mas and holidays ahead ... filled with gadgets and UMPCs! wooo hooo! wink.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 15 2007, 09:10 AM

QUOTE(desertrat @ Dec 11 2007, 02:54 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 8 2007, 03:55 PM) *
Here is a screenshot. [of KDE]
Hey, you haven't followed the instructions for making the ugly huge launch button smaller biggrin.gif


Oh, yes, I wasn't aware of this when I took this screenshot shortly after opening the box...
I am now seriously tempted to get one for myself as my christmas *gift*. After trying it for a couple of days, I began to realize how it can beat my 3200 in real life use in terms of speed, keyboard and compatibility (i386 debian packages). Pocketability does not seem to be a big issue with this machine as it weighs and measures like a 400 page octave hardcover book.

And the shop showed me an pamphlet of asus saying the black and the pink models have a smaller battery (3 hours vs. 3.5 hours in the white one).

Posted by: Chero Dec 15 2007, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 15 2007, 06:10 PM) *
QUOTE(desertrat @ Dec 11 2007, 02:54 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 8 2007, 03:55 PM) *
Here is a screenshot. [of KDE]
Hey, you haven't followed the instructions for making the ugly huge launch button smaller biggrin.gif


Oh, yes, I wasn't aware of this when I took this screenshot shortly after opening the box...
I am now seriously tempted to get one for myself as my christmas *gift*. After trying it for a couple of days, I began to realize how it can beat my 3200 in real life use in terms of speed, keyboard and compatibility (i386 debian packages). Pocketability does not seem to be a big issue with this machine as it weighs and measures like a 400 page octave hardcover book.

And the shop showed me an pamphlet of asus saying the black and the pink models have a smaller battery (3 hours vs. 3.5 hours in the white one).


Just curious, where did you get one ?

Posted by: ghostshadow Dec 15 2007, 05:43 PM

There is now a new ubuntu distro built specifically for the eee. http://eeepc.tumblr.com/post/21408625 I'm not too much of a fan of ubuntu, but I think it's a great step in the right direction. It's not exactly out at the moment, but it's coming pretty soon! I don't have an EEE yet, I really want to get one, but right now the price just seems a little high for me at the moment.

There is tons of info on eeeuser, I'm really liking allot of the new mods and hacks for it, expanded storage, bluetooth, gps. I can't wait to see what else is instore. I just hope they don't keep pulling the extra pc slot, I know some reports stated that some of them from newegg don't have the port anymore.

Let's hope it all stays together and they can lower the price soon, if they do i'll definitely pick one up asap!

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 15 2007, 06:39 PM

QUOTE(Chero @ Dec 15 2007, 08:27 PM) *
Just curious, where did you get one ?


I got one with 4GB SSD and camera for my sister in Hong Kong for ~385 USD.
The 8GB model has just come out for ~447 USD in Taiwan ...

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 15 2007, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(ghostshadow @ Dec 16 2007, 02:43 AM) *
There is now a new ubuntu distro built specifically for the eee. http://eeepc.tumblr.com/post/21408625 I'm not too much of a fan of ubuntu, but I think it's a great step in the right direction. It's not exactly out at the moment, but it's coming pretty soon! I don't have an EEE yet, I really want to get one, but right now the price just seems a little high for me at the moment.


Great! The eeexubuntu is updated very quickly. The current release seems to be very usable (including native wireless driver).
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
Will try that as soon as i am free.

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 16 2007, 05:40 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 15 2007, 06:10 PM) *
And the shop showed me an pamphlet of asus saying the black and the pink models have a smaller battery (3 hours vs. 3.5 hours in the white one).


Now I know the truth: the one with less battery is the "surf" version (smaller battery and without camera).

... My temptation lasts very very short.
Because I just bought a black e701 (4GB, w/ camera) today!
I just couldn't resist when the black model stared at me.
Got spellbound. Too bad. laugh.gif
And i saw a new post in a Chinese forum talking about running dual-booting: Linux on SSD, XP on SD(HC).
Another one reporting implanting a 8GB mini PCI-e (from the 8GB model) on the 4GB model's board. Both the SSD and the mini PCI-e can coexist and work together ... So there is no need to buy the 8GB model (unless you want the extra 512MB RAM -- but it is darn cheap now, just 25~30 USD for 1GB).

Posted by: harvell Dec 17 2007, 09:20 AM

Nice... I think I may buy a black one for myself. My wife is using hers and won't let me touch it. I guess that's cool cause if I did take it over it's like buying her a fishing rod for Christmas biggrin.gif. The more I think about it I am using my Z less like a pocket pda or pc and backpacking it more.

Posted by: adf Dec 17 2007, 09:43 PM

I decided to buy an eeepc today smile.gif I went online and looked at the options. I decided I liked the 4 gig "galaxy," then saw I could have an 8 gig for a mere 75 usd or so more. (the 8 gig has a gig o ram vs the 512 on the 4g). That put the price a little over 520usd. I wanted the thing for simple web editing, site management--stuff that is possible but awkward on the z (for me) as a regular thing. My wife suggested I compare the eepc with other options suitable for that purpose. I ended up spending 600usd on an Acer 5520-5912: 2 gigs o ram 15 inch screen turion64x2 58, etc... My Z remains my ultraportable, and my new Acer (which I need to get linux on) is a still portable, if hardly pocketable wysiwyg demon smile.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 18 2007, 04:25 AM

QUOTE(adf @ Dec 18 2007, 06:43 AM) *
I decided to buy an eeepc today smile.gif I went online and looked at the options. I decided I liked the 4 gig "galaxy," then saw I could have an 8 gig for a mere 75 usd or so more. (the 8 gig has a gig o ram vs the 512 on the 4g). That put the price a little over 520usd. I wanted the thing for simple web editing, site management--stuff that is possible but awkward on the z (for me) as a regular thing. My wife suggested I compare the eepc with other options suitable for that purpose. I ended up spending 600usd on an Acer 5520-5912: 2 gigs o ram 15 inch screen turion64x2 58, etc... My Z remains my ultraportable, and my new Acer (which I need to get linux on) is a still portable, if hardly pocketable wysiwyg demon smile.gif


If you only want the eeepc to run linux, the extra 4 gig disk space and 512mb ram are not absolutely necessary. A big SDHC (like a 8gb) can make up for that: swap, frequently written files (like the firefox profiles), mass storage, etc.
Interestingly, the bigger screen and keyboard actually make it a more productive mobile tool. For example, I can touchtype and type much more and faster than on the Z, and I can read all my PDF files on the go *comfortably*. Using it on the train doesn't feel uneasy at all.
And I don't have to worry about the smaller and less uptodate Xandros repos, not to mention any Zaurus/architecture-specific hacking and compilation anymore ... After spending one night going through all the fine-tuning of Xandros, this morning I decided to make a leap of faith and my 701 galaxy black put on eeexubuntu 7.10r2 (Gutsy)! It's just a regular ubuntu with the proper resolution (VGA) and the addition of some drivers specifically for eeepc (such as the wifi card). Setting things up takes just less than an hour, and it is ready to roll!
Also when installing xubuntu I used gparted (included in the installer) to merge /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Now my eeepc has reclaimed ~2gb disk space!
I've tried to carry it around and to the library. Despite being larger than the Z (about two and a half Z as a rough measurement), i have a real lightweight minilaptop to do my real work more efficiently everywhere.
Here is a small experiment: stop using my Z for a week and stick to the new eeepc. A verdict should come out after the initial excitement. biggrin.gif

Posted by: adf Dec 18 2007, 01:23 PM

I think that if I didn't already have my 3100, I would have bought niether the 3100 nor the 15" laptop, but rather just bought an eeepc. The cost would be much lower (in any configuration) and honestly even a 15" laptop rates more as luggable than portable. The eeepc would have suited my mobile needs nicely, being light portable, linux, and something useable without a desk (or desk substitute). What caused me to rethink the eeepc was that the Z is more portable, but less powerful (and much worse at wysiwyg type stuff)--I like the Z, though, and wanted to keep it. Given the Z's capabilities, it seemed like I'd do better with something that overlapped the Z less and complimented it more. Hence a cheap new laptop.

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 21 2007, 03:32 AM

I have added a Transcend 8GB Class 6 SDHC (cheap, just around 45 USD only) as an additional (permanent) diskspace to store various frequently written files (such the stuff in /tmp and /var), the whole user home directory, firefox profiles and caches, and everything in /usr/games and /usr/lib/games (where most game packages are installed in *buntu, including the giant game data files). wink.gif
Here are the pointers again for those who are interested:
Installation method (including making a live USB/CD!): http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
Installing all alternative distros:
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/#installing_alternative_operating_systems
Discussion: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewforum.php?id=15 , or more specifically http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=5005 for eeexubuntu.

Posted by: ZDevil Dec 21 2007, 05:20 AM

I have just set up Compiz and it just works so BEAUTIFULLY!

Even though I am also a Mac user, I've never imagined that this kind of fancy effect can happen to Linux, and now on the EeePC!!

My 701 Black only has 512MB RAM but Compiz just works without any noticeable performance lag or resource (CPU, RAM) drain. Amazing ...

Instructions:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=59943#p59943
http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion

Will shoot a short video when free. cool.gif

Posted by: speculatrix Dec 21 2007, 05:56 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 21 2007, 01:20 PM) *
I have just set up Compiz and it just works so BEAUTIFULLY!


Maybe because it's easy to do fancy visual effects on a low resolution screen? tongue.gif

I tried compiz/fusion on my sony tx2, spent 5 minutes thinking "wow" and then got sick of it and turned it all off. then again, when I occasionally use win XP and vista, I switched off all the bling (my computer->properties->advanced->optimise performance) and use the "windows classic" theme.

Posted by: ZDevil Jan 3 2008, 06:35 AM

Well, as a mac user, I just feel more at home with the Compiz interface. smile.gif

After a couple of weeks of trial, my 701 black has arisen to be my choice machine on the road, leaving the Z "in the pocket".
Came across an interesting review noting the resemblance of Eee PC and Psion Seris 5/ netBook: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2007/10/30/Asus-Eee-PC-4G-701/p1

Posted by: jpmatrix Jan 3 2008, 01:52 PM

if you wait some (!), you'll have compiz on the zaurus tongue.gif just kidding wink.gif

actually, that eee is terrible for me........i bought the zaurus to be the perfect companion for a 3G-smartphone then comes the eee which would be a better terrible match.........but i just don't want to sell my Z back....... terrrrrrrible.......

Posted by: ZDevil Jan 3 2008, 07:38 PM

What's even more "terrible" is somebody shows how to install a touchscreen panel and HSPDA module to this scandalous device:

HSPDA panel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1K8woV4C4M

Touchscreen panel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8-BbOWVgXg

Posted by: Snappy Jan 5 2008, 05:52 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Jan 3 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Well, as a mac user, I just feel more at home with the Compiz interface. smile.gif

After a couple of weeks of trial, my 701 black has arisen to be my choice machine on the road, leaving the Z "in the pocket".
Came across an interesting review noting the resemblance of Eee PC and Psion Seris 5/ netBook: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2007/10/30/Asus-Eee-PC-4G-701/p1


Sadly, it was only a cursory remark without much of a comparison ... sad.gif

But yes, the resemblance is uncanny! ... The main difference, and a good one at that, is that the eeepc is cheap while the netbook is not! wink.gif

Not to mention that eeepc runs linux, has wifi, bluetooth, sd-slots and USB ... oh and VGA out built-in! biggrin.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 9 2008, 01:44 AM

See how Otto Berkes, aka the father of UMPC, thinks of the Eee PC in his weblog:

http://ottoberkes.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/sweet-spot/

In retrospect, it's interesting to witness the big leap from R2H to Eee PC in every respect (specs, cool factor, OS, PRICE).

Posted by: Snappy Feb 9 2008, 08:12 AM

Yeah, price is one of the *BIG* factor here. Had the zaurus been sold at say $199 instead of the high MSRP ... maybe it may had been crowned the gadget king and not be written off as a great device that got EOLed.

I'm certainly glad that Asus got their pricing right! It may not be the dream UMPC incarnation for some (I know it is for many ... last I check, a million and counting! cool.gif ), but it definitely delivered on many promises that a UMPC is supposed to be. It is not instanton (yet), but its suspend and quick boot up time is good enough for me. Its 3.5hrs of real usage is less than an ideal of 5~7 hr usage for a UMPC, but a 6cell batt from Asus should draw us into the 4~5 hour range for now.

Hopefully the next gen eeepc work on 1) Batt life 2) 2 SD slot and 3) 8~9" lcd with thinner bezel. smile.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 9 2008, 12:36 PM

Yes, personally the battery duration of the eee pc is still wanting even though it lasts for 3~3.5 hours and is longer than most UMPCs in the market, with the exception to Everun, which can last for around 6 hours!
But the design of Everun is really an acquired style, particularly the weird thumbboard. I once held it in a shop, and I simply don't know how people can hold it vertically and thumbtype with two hands. The keyboard region is too cramped and small and the screen standing upright feels so heavy that the machine tends to fall over if I don't grap it firm enough. Laying it down and typing just with the right hand is totally beyond my capacity. The key layout is strange, such as the super tiny [SPACE] button (it just can't be seen as a proper key).

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 22 2008, 04:59 AM

Perhaps what sets this bloody cheap & tiny eee pc apart from other laptops and UMPCs (and perhaps the Z as well) is that:

-- it enjoys the luxury of extreme tortures by physical and elemental attacks: http://www.dailymotion.com/search/eee/video/x4dhhl_tests-resistance-chocs-chaleur-froi_tech

-- it is privileged to get ripped apart for all sorts of crazy implantations:
http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades

Posted by: jpmatrix Feb 22 2008, 05:15 AM

QUOTE(ZDevil @ Feb 22 2008, 01:59 PM) *
Perhaps what sets this bloody cheap & tiny eee pc apart from other laptops and UMPCs (and perhaps the Z as well) is that:

-- it enjoys the luxury of extreme tortures by physical and elemental attacks: http://www.dailymotion.com/search/eee/video/x4dhhl_tests-resistance-chocs-chaleur-froi_tech

-- it is privileged to get ripped apart for all sorts of crazy implantations:
http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades


+1 for the eee ...
i think i'll go to a famous french computer shop in Paris tonight....... just to see it..... wink.gif

Posted by: Snappy Feb 22 2008, 09:35 AM

Aye ... I really laughed when I saw the video via eeeuser.com! ... Makes me wonder how much cold sweat the owner had while doing the vid! wink.gif

Just some thoughts about the eeepc after a few weeks of usage and twinkering:

Take a look at the wiki here http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ and tell me it is not the least daunting for an end-user. ohmy.gif ...

I'm not complaining abt the eeepc (ok, I am a bit! tongue.gif ), but I'm hoping that the next version would have a shorter list => that by default, the system should do what most people want it to do already. eg, if the user upgrades the ram to 2gb, he should not need to build his own kernel or download and install a new kernel. I mean, this is 2008, not 1986 or something right? Call it bloatware, but in my usage of PCs since mid 80s, upgrades of ram either worked or not mainly because the mobo supported it or not. The OS almost always supports it by default. ok, DOS was the only time that one had to do silly things like EMM386, know XMS from EMS, and use stuffs like DOS4G http://www.tenberry.com/dos4g/index.html just so that the extra 4mb ram can be used instead of limiting the app to the lower 640kb.

1gb ram kernel ceiling in 2008? Ahem. rolleyes.gif

Sporadic support for hardware. To eeepc and more correctly linux credit, support is *way* better. But I really wonder how many of the wiki tips are something only for hackers or something that a normal avg user would have to go through. hmmm ...

Anyway, had more ranting ... but after doing some google search for the DOS/4G name, I kinda recall how 'fun' and 'exciting' owning a pc was back in the 80s to mid 90s, when the next hardware upgrade you get may just break your pc and require hours and nights to set dip switches and hunt for drivers to download. So in retrospect (compared to DOS (or linux) machines from 80s/90s era, the eeepc is really as good as it gets.

ok, let me tuck into some more eeepc love! biggrin.gif

Posted by: speculatrix Feb 25 2008, 02:53 PM

when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)

Posted by: jpmatrix Feb 25 2008, 10:57 PM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 25 2008, 11:53 PM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)


by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?

Posted by: speculatrix Feb 26 2008, 04:40 AM

QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:57 AM) *
by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?


there's no such thing as too much memory or too much storage smile.gif

Posted by: Snappy Feb 26 2008, 08:14 AM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)


Aye ... and for myself, I'm fine with 7" or 8" or even 9" ... I just hope they trim down on that bezel. Likewise for the Z, I would love my C1000 even more if it has a consistently thin bezel all round. That's partly what makes Thinkpad, Sony Vaios, macbook & iTouch or iPhones that bit sexier. smile.gif

The trick is having a useable keyboard, thin bezel, respectable screen, all in a handy form factor.

Good thingie going for the eeepc is that it is hot in the stoves and development is coming along aggressively while the Z is not available at all. sad.gif smile.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 26 2008, 12:36 PM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 01:40 PM) *
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:57 AM) *
by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?

there's no such thing as too much memory or too much storage smile.gif

Just a fact about my real use: upon loading Xfwm and synaptic (set to always look for new packages), only less than 200MB of RAM is used. And I've got no plan to run XP/Vista, so no need to boost up RAM for Ramdisk, pagefile, blah, and my 701 remains perfectly comfortable with the stock 512MB. wink.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 26 2008, 12:44 PM

QUOTE(Snappy @ Feb 26 2008, 05:14 PM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)

Aye ... and for myself, I'm fine with 7" or 8" or even 9" ... I just hope they trim down on that bezel. Likewise for the Z, I would love my C1000 even more if it has a consistently thin bezel all round. That's partly what makes Thinkpad, Sony Vaios, macbook & iTouch or iPhones that bit sexier. smile.gif
The trick is having a useable keyboard, thin bezel, respectable screen, all in a handy form factor.
Good thingie going for the eeepc is that it is hot in the stoves and development is coming along aggressively while the Z is not available at all. sad.gif smile.gif

Agree. Thin bezel is a hallmark of aesthetic value on gadgets. The Eee PC, the Z, N810, most UMPCs all fail this.
But thinner bezel means more power for display, and cost of production, unless a newer and better and less power-hungry processor is used (this may probably come true for fff). And the keyboard is already maximally minimal (for real touchtyping), so reducing the bezel mustn't further trim down the keyboard.
Also remember what makes the Eee so hot is the magical price tag, as well as quite a reasonable battery life.
Of course, I'd definitely love to have a ggg, and more perfectly, a zzz, then I will finally retire my z. tongue.gif

Posted by: ZDevil Feb 26 2008, 01:13 PM

QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)

How about this: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=6136 ? cool.gif

Posted by: Meyer Apr 19 2008, 10:08 AM

I got to handle an Eee for a while at the store today and was disappointed to find that the keyboard is too big for two-thumb typing while holding the unit in my hands, the capability that makes the Z such a great mobile device.

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