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omro
post Sep 26 2004, 10:42 AM
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Hi,

Has anyone actually managed to install the Hancom Apps on OZ 3.5.1 and if so, could they please post an idiot's guide (and I mean very simple) to explain how to install it all and make all the necessary preparations. Would be so cool

Thanks!
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TonyOlsen
post Sep 26 2004, 12:20 PM
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While we're on the subject, does anyone have Open Office for the Zaurus? smile.gif (Why settle for something less?)
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post Sep 27 2004, 05:43 AM
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I don't think they do a scaled down OpenOffice for embedded market
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post Sep 27 2004, 05:46 AM
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I've installed Hancom word and sheet. I have a sl-5600 and have installed everything so far to my sd card which is formatted ext2. My procedure may or may not work for you.

In package manager, I defined a target "card" which points to /mnt/card. You will also need to install the compatibility libs. Find and download the older Hancom ipks (I could not get the 1.5.0s to work).

From terminal, I used ipkg to install from my cf card:
for sheet:

ipkg install /mnt/cf/hancomsheet-en_1.0.1_arm.ipk -d card -force-depends
(you can ignore the error concerning gpe-base since it is already in oz thus the force-depends)

Find out where the app resides (from terminal you can use "find /opt/ -name hancomsheet").
Then from terminal "makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/hancomsheet"
Also from terminal (if you are installing to card or cf) "ipkg-link mount /mnt/card"

For good measure go to "Settings" and then "Shutdown" and "Restart Opie". The icon for HancomSheet will then show up in the apps tab.

You can pretty much repeat this for Hancom Word. The app name is HancomMobileWord.

This is a little complicated but once you install one app like this, the rest are easy. HTH,
Robert
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post Sep 27 2004, 05:53 AM
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QUOTE(omro @ Sep 27 2004, 05:43 AM)
I don't think they do a scaled down OpenOffice for embedded market

Gnumeric does however run at realistic speed under pdaxrom so would be worth being in OZ for GPE.
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post Sep 27 2004, 06:04 AM
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and abiword
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post Sep 28 2004, 02:07 AM
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If anyone can tell me how to get gnumeric and abiword working under OZ then that'd be fab too :-)

I don't really want to use the older hancom apps, the apps are subtly different and the difference especially when you open an app, does annoy me.

I know it's not a big deal to the OE/OZ developers, as they've so many other things to do, but if they could put a few resources into supplying a viable word processor and spreadsheet package for their system, I and most users would appreciate it. These are pretty fundamental needs for most PDA users, or so I would have thought.
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post Sep 28 2004, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE(omro @ Sep 28 2004, 02:07 AM)
If anyone can tell me how to get gnumeric and abiword working under OZ then that'd be fab too :-)

I am in the process of getting gnumeric on my C860, I have compiled it but when you hit open it crashes. Currently debugging.
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post Sep 28 2004, 03:13 AM
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Has anyone actually managed to install the Hancom Apps on OZ 3.5.1 and if so, could they please post an idiot's guide (and I mean very simple) to explain how to install it all and make all the necessary preparations. Would be so cool


Assuming you want the new versions, it's just not something an 'idiot' can do (and not really worth the effort for the differences imo).

There's a thread about this on the forum already. It may be mixed in with one about getting the Sharp ROM PIM apps running on OZ. Not 3.5.1 specifically but I see no reason why it should be different from the older versions.

The thread I'm talking about just links to the devnet (where the work was done and documented), so you'd best find it sooner rather than later.


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post Sep 28 2004, 09:19 AM
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not really worth the effort for the differences imo


In my experience, the older hancom apps start up with a file open dialog box which lists all the files they could possibly open as a giant long list, no indication of where they are located just a long list. And in the older hancom word, this long list is even longer as each file seems to be replicated three times.

In the newer hancom apps, they open with a blank document and the file open dialog actually allows you to browse through the zaurus for things.

I personally prefer this latter approach and personally think that having a PDA without a decent and functioning spreadsheet and word processor makes a PDA a bit of a pointless thing to have if you can't even have such standard and basic applications.

As per usual, I've tried OZ 3.5.1, I've really liked the look of it, but the fact that I can't use the hancom apps, I have to use word and excel files everyday, has forced me to go back to tkRom yet again.

Ok, I'm no developer and I apologise for not being one, because ranting about something I can't contribute towards seems extremely hypocritical even to myself, but I find the apparent lack of interest in developing the basic, core apps, like a word processor, a spreadsheet, a decent pim, a decent media player and a web browser for this platform to be extremely frustrating.

I consider myself to be a normal user that likes to do a few non standard things with my PDA, that's why I bought the Zaurus in the first place, the opportunity to do all the standard things, but flirt with more advanced things as well was the selling point for me. BUT, constantly and consistently with the Zaurus, and I'm guessing Linux PDAs on the whole, they've proven themselves to be purely niche products, aimed purely at geeks and the like, who are happy to put their barely used by the masses programs on them at the expense of more standard apps. Yet it's these standard apps and their functionality that appeal to the normal user and if these standard applications were actually decent and pleasant to use, you'd find more normal users using this platform and as a result more demand for it and thus more units sold and more development in linux PDAs and thus more toys for the geeks to put their less standard apps on.

I'm not surprised that Sharp has begun to abandon the platform outside of it's main market of Japan, no normal user is really interested in buying a PDA that they can't just use for their standard day to day tasks. They might as well buy a palm or a pocket pc that just do these things.

I just think that by ignoring the basics, the linux PDA platform is never ever going to take off in anyway and that it will forever remain a niche and that's just such a shame.
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post Sep 28 2004, 09:32 AM
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As per usual, I've tried OZ 3.5.1, I've really liked the look of it, but the fact that I can't use the hancom apps, I have to use word and excel files everyday, has forced me to go back to tkRom yet again.


Fair enough. It will never become easier to use the later Hancom apps - take a look at the posts on the devnet, it really is a very messy process. One possibility might be to try OZ+GPE with the Yopy X11 based Hancom apps, not sure what version they are though.

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but I find the apparent lack of interest in developing the basic, core apps, like a word processor, a spreadsheet, a decent pim, a decent media player and a web browser for this platform to be extremely frustrating.


PIM isn't that bad is it? Media player is okay, but the one lifted from the 6000 is nice I agree - not too far off though to get this functionality in Opie (once opie-mediaplayer2 starts working again ;-)). Web browser is more difficult; you can use Opera and Konq is getting better afaik.
The real problem with the word processor and spreadsheet is that they are rather large apps to develop (this has all been thrashed out before). I'd love to have a decent word processor and spreadsheet but I certainly haven't got the motivation to develop either myself (actually I would like to add graphing to opie-sheet..., one day, need more time, etc.).


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post Oct 5 2004, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE(mitchrl @ Sep 27 2004, 01:46 PM)
I've installed Hancom word and sheet.
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Then from terminal "makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/hancomsheet"


Would somebody be so kind to tell me where do I find "makecompat"?

Would this make the spreadsheet work in the SL-5500?

Thanks,

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post Oct 5 2004, 11:46 AM
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makecompat is part of the oz-compat pkg

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post Oct 15 2004, 03:13 PM
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I've tried makecompat (after fixing my HancomWord 1.5.0 ipk) and it says:

Could not locate application HamcomMobileWord

hancomsheet says the same thing. I've tried re-running makecompat (normal and compat libs) and it still doesn't work.

I also tried rebooting and doing:
/etc/init.d/quickexec start

No luck.
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post Oct 15 2004, 06:03 PM
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Make sure the binary exists (i.e. you've run ipkg-link if needs be).

It does work.


Si
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