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post Jun 26 2018, 11:13 AM
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On the thing you noticed with the hinge: I have the same.
Not sure if it is an issue.

We'll know in 2 years (or earlier than that).
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gidds
post Jul 10 2018, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(gidds @ Jun 26 2018, 04:54 PM) *
I'm now trying rubber strips.

These are working well.  After two weeks, they're still firmly attached, with no sign of coming loose.

The rubber is starting to wear away very slightly, mostly at the two points near the front where it rests with the screen open.  But at this rate, it won't wear through for a very long time.  (And if it does, the roll's long enough for ~30 more sets!)

The Gemini is much more stable on a surface, whether open or closed.  There's slightly more resistance when inserting or removing it from my trouser pocket, and the extra thickness is noticeable when you hold it, but neither of those are a problem at all.

So I'm going to call this a success!
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post Jul 10 2018, 09:48 AM
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Hello,

QUOTE(gidds @ Jun 26 2018, 05:54 PM) *
I'm now trying rubber strips. (...)
This is a thin rubber strip, with a slight indentation running down the middle, and one half is self-adhesive; that half is very slightly wider than the plastic case at the side of the Gemini, so I simply stuck some on the underside and trimmed it to size.  The black matches the plastic it covers, so it looks reasonably good, though the edge shows a little.(...)

Would it be possible to take and post a picture? I can't imagine what it looks like with the discription (no offense, english is not my native language ;-) )
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gidds
post Oct 7 2018, 01:15 PM
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Here are some pictures which I hope will explain it!

I took these shortly after your request — sorry it's taken me so long to get around to tidying them up and posting them…

They're not very good, I'm afraid.  I haven't worked out how to focus properly so close.  And the rubber had picked up quite a bit of dust &c while I tried to find a suitable background; it usually looks a lot cleaner than in these photos.  Anyway, I hope it illustrates what I meant.

It's been about 4 months since I fitted them, and they're still working well.  The rubber hasn't eroded significantly.  The adhesive is starting to soften, especially at the ends of each strip, so the rubber tends to slip sideways a bit.  I'll probably have to replace them before too much longer.  (But it's very easy to cut off new lengths, attach to the Gemini, and trim round the edges.  And at this rate, the reel I bought will still provide 10 years' worth.)

The Gemini is far more stable with the rubber strips in place, both when closed and when open.  It doesn't slip when using the keyboard or screen. It doesn't wobble on surfaces that aren't entirely flat (e.g. tables in trains).  And the strips don't get in the way much when holding the Gemini or putting it in my pocket.  Nor do they spoil the look of my beloved Gemini — in fact, they're not easy to see unless you look closely.  I'll certainly continue using and recommending them!

Anyway, here are the photos.  (Please ask if anything's still not clear.)

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post Oct 7 2018, 02:34 PM
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As I mentioned in the review and tips in my blog, "Egrips" have worked well for me. They seemed a bit expensive and potentially fragile -- they are soft with a "gel" feel. But are still securely in place after several months. They are *very* high-friction, and soft an thick enough to hold the Gemeni stable even on a "pebbeled" and vibrating bus, train, or airplane tray table.
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post Oct 8 2018, 05:42 AM
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Both the clear and black egrips say ‘Will Not Work for Sides of Mobile Phones’.  Do they stick securely enough to the soft plastic of the Gemini?

(One advantage of the rubber I use is that it's much less obvious.  My Gemini looks cool, and I don't want to spoil it.  cool.gif )
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post Oct 10 2018, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE(gidds @ Oct 8 2018, 06:42 AM) *
Both the clear and black egrips say ‘Will Not Work for Sides of Mobile Phones’.  Do they stick securely enough to the soft plastic of the Gemini?


I saw that line in the "Egrips" product description. I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean. Maybe it means that some mobile phones are so thin that the Egrips strips would be too narrow to adhere securely on the thin edges?

I was a little concerned when I received the Egrips that they would be too soft and not stick securely. But I have had them on my Gemini for several months, and they still seem secure. I have them stuck both on the metal parts of the Gemini case ansd the hard plastic parts (at the ends of the front and back). They are visible and a bit ugly. See photos in my Gemini review here:

https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002328.html#accessories


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post Oct 10 2018, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(ehasbrouck @ Oct 10 2018, 03:48 PM) *
They are visible and a bit ugly.

Yes, I noticed that… smile.gif  But I see that they have black and clear varieties, which I guess wouldn't look so bad, especially if used only under the side panels (like the rubber strips in my pictures).

BTW, I was going to comment on your review about its repeated claims that mobile calling, messaging, and data don't work on Android or Linux, when I'm happily using all three on Android.  But I gather from later comments hereabouts that it's referring not to Android itself but to LineageOS or another free Android-based OSs.  Could that be made clearer?
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post Oct 10 2018, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(gidds @ Oct 10 2018, 08:04 AM) *
BTW, I was going to comment on your review about its repeated claims that mobile calling, messaging, and data don't work on Android or Linux, when I'm happily using all three on Android.  But I gather from later comments hereabouts that it's referring not to Android itself but to LineageOS or another free Android-based OSs.  Could that be made clearer?


I tried to make as clear as possible the distinction between (open-source) Android and what I refer to as "Google OS", which is Android *bundled with* a blob of Google apps and services.

I quoted the distinction made by Google itself:

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The Google OS shipped on the Gemini includes the open-source Android operating system plus a blob of proprietary Google software. Google itself is explicit that these apps are not part of Android, but are separate apps that run "on top of" Android: "Google Mobile Services (GMS) [is] Google's proprietary suite of apps (Google Play, YouTube, Google Maps, Gmail, and more) that run on top of Android. GMS is not part of the Android Open Source Project and is available only through a license with Google."


I'm not sure how I could make that clearer. Would it help if I added this sentence to my review: "Cellular data, SMS, and calling currently only work with Android on the Gemini if you *also* install (or accept pre-installation of) a proprietary blob of Google apps and services"?

There's no good reason for Planetcom to require Gemini users to install or accept pre-installation of Google services and apps in order use their devices for cellular data, SMS, or voice.
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post Oct 10 2018, 02:06 PM
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For better or for worse (and whatever Google's fine print says), most people understand the term ‘Android’ to mean the full Google stack, and not just the open-source parts (if they're even aware of the distinction).

Yes, there should probably be a separate name for the latter, but there doesn't yet seem to be a widely-understood one.  So if you want to avoid confusion, I can't suggest anything better than ‘Android’ (or, if you want to be really clear, ‘full Android’) for the former, and a phrase like ‘a free Android-based OS’ (or ‘an open-source OS based on the free parts of Android’) for the latter.

(And while I have a lot of sympathy for the idea of sticking to open-source software, please remember that the vast majority of people are happy with the full Google stack, and so will find the Gemini's telephony all working fine.  It would be a shame if misunderstanding your review put people off getting a Gemini unnecessarily.)


Also, FWIW, it is possible to use a Gemini as your only mobile phone; I've been doing it for months.  I don't take very many voice calls, but I find it fine for those I do: it's no bigger or uglier than many other full-size phones, and the sound quality is plenty good enough.  I also find it far better than any other phone for messaging, even while standing or walking: as a long-time Psion 5mx user, I'm very used to thumb-typing.  Making calls is a little fiddly, but for me that's greatly outweighed by the convenience of having everything in one device, and no longer having to fill my trouser pockets with different devices.  — Of course, other people will have different preferences, but I think it does the Gemini a disservice to say that you can't use it as your only phone.


Anyway, I've ordered some black eGrips.  It could take several weeks for them to reach me in the UK, though, so don't hold your breath!
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post Oct 10 2018, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(gidds @ Oct 10 2018, 11:06 PM) *
For better or for worse (and whatever Google's fine print says), most people understand the term ‘Android’ to mean the full Google stack, and not just the open-source parts (if they're even aware of the distinction).

Yes, there should probably be a separate name for the latter, but there doesn't yet seem to be a widely-understood one.  So if you want to avoid confusion, I can't suggest anything better than ‘Android’ (or, if you want to be really clear, ‘full Android’) for the former, and a phrase like ‘a free Android-based OS’ (or ‘an open-source OS based on the free parts of Android’) for the latter.
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There is a separate name: it is "Android Open Source Project" (AOSP)
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post Oct 11 2018, 10:38 PM
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I'm thinking about some strategically placed hot glue dots. I've used hot glue for rugs before to keep them from slipping on hardwood floors. Maybe it will work for the Gemini. Has anybody tried this yet?

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