Yopi

[padishah_emperor]

Not all Zaurus ROMs use Qtopia. There are pdaXrom users here too.
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As for that it's the choice of individual Yopy users if they wish to sign up here, I'm not going to advocate any merger any time soon. ;-)

[doc]

Hail Emperor!  Nice new avatar!  Thanks for the great (& detailed) info!
P.S. How's that dancing homer working out?  Oh yeah and the Cylon Tux app I did for ya?

[padishah_emperor]

Hail Emperor!  Nice new avatar!  Thanks for the great (& detailed) info!
P.S. How's that dancing homer working out?  Oh yeah and the Cylon Tux app I did for ya?
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HELLO!
I've just been going through my archive of Z apps and moving some files about on my handheld, I was going to test them tonight ;-) Most stuff works ok but I've had trouble with one or two in the past.

Yeah, they were great ;-) I am still in your debt..
LOL! Dancing Homer - I can't believe you *actually* made one for me ;-) Did you ever upload 'em?

[Merardon]

I'm very interested in a Yopy, (no money for it at the moment), and I was wondering if the upcoming OpenYopy (or whatever it's called, forget now) will come with just the GUI that wins the polls, or more then one? Personally, I'd prefer X11, and voted so, but after fiddling with Opie, going back to Qtopia feels like a downgrade, personally. Qtopia appears to be winning the polls. As for merging the sites, I'd personally love that. It would aid in development on both sides, increase interest on both sides, and generally make the forums a larger, better place. I can't really picture competitions (Which line is better) arrising at all, it doesn't seem to me like something that would happen here. EDIT: Wait, looks about even now between X11 and Qtopia.

[Miami_Bob]

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
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Reminds me of a Utah Phillips' saying:

"If the Lord had meant for us to hold elections, He would have given us CANDIDATES!"

Myself, I am of the opinion that anyone who WANTS the job is morally or ethically unfit to assume it. We ought to DRAFT the most qualified individual; and the more they complain & protest, the more likely that we have selected the best person for the job.

[padishah_emperor]

I'm very interested in a Yopy, (no money for it at the moment), and I was wondering if the upcoming OpenYopy (or whatever it's called, forget now) will come with just the GUI that wins the polls, or more then one? Personally, I'd prefer X11, and voted so, but after fiddling with Opie, going back to Qtopia feels like a downgrade, personally. Qtopia appears to be winning the polls. As for merging the sites, I'd personally love that. It would aid in development on both sides, increase interest on both sides, and generally make the forums a larger, better place. I can't really picture competitions (Which line is better) arrising at all, it doesn't seem to me like something that would happen here. EDIT: Wait, looks about even now between X11 and Qtopia.
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YopyNG ran a poll themselves, I think the outcome was pretty closely split down the middle between a pure X11 and a pure Qtopia system. I think they'll do the kernel and base the filesystem on the Gmate one for the sake of compatibility, that's what's happening with their interim releases. But that's not definitive, just a guess.  

The poll I'm running is really to ask the question independently of the choices YopyNG asked and are a bit broader. It's split between the kind of outcome YopyNG are working on and OpenEmbedded.  I did write to the OE chaps a while ago asking about how to proceed since the Yopy developer info they referred to on their site was obsolete but they did not reply, so.. I did dabble with Opie when I had a Z, I wasn't impressed and there were too many problems with it. I found if I raised an issue, the bulk standard attitude was go fix it yourself - which is not helpful, only Simon (Lardman) seemed to want to help.    In the final analysis, we're talking about providing a platform for running X apps which the current fs and any derivative provides and Qtopia apps which I think Qtopia 1.7 is best suited to. Otfried ported it and although I am looking into Qtopia 2.1, I doubt I could improve on what he did.  Also there is one great thing about the Qtopia we have at the moment, no faffing about with heart attack inducing flashing of the device, it's an application which takes a few taps of a stylus to install.  

As for merging our site with this one, I'm not in favor of it at all. Our site is really a small group which has a singular focus on the Yopy, this one is still dominated by the Zaurus which has a huge membership compared to our fifty or so. Our aim is to be a small friendly group just for Yopy users and nothing else where we can chat, share apps and ask questions.    Individual users are free to sign up here if they want - there's no problem with that.  Although I cannot speak for the other admin of YLUG, I've no interest nor do I see any benefit to Yopy users in doing away with our site and moving them here. If over time I see more iPaq and Simpad users here, maybe Archos too, then I'd reconsider and recommend it to the members, I'm not the boss so I will put it to the site owner but my view is a firm "no".  The biggest Yopy user site is Korean so the language barrier would be a problem.  

[padishah_emperor]

Myself, I am of the opinion that anyone who WANTS the job is morally or ethically unfit to assume it. We ought to DRAFT the most qualified individual; and the more they complain & protest, the more likely that we have selected the best person for the job.
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Pah! We need a Padishah Emperor ;-)

[padishah_emperor]

As an update to the question of any merger, I did speak to the owner of YLUG and he agrees with me on this.

However he says if the owner of this site - and I don't even know who runs OE Forums nowdays - wants to create a Yopy category which links direct to us, we will be happy to reciprocate and happily co-operate for the common cause and encourage users to move back and forth. But for our fellow Yopyians having a dedicated site and resources as well as the time we put into it is far more beneficial than any merger into a forum like the Simpad one. I hope that clarifies it ;-)

So if the OE Forum admin(s) want to do this and PM me then we're happy to do this. ;-)
But I'm not holding my breath  

I want to see iPaq, Agenda, Simpad and other Linux handheld users coming here, if I can do anything for that objective then I'd be glad to help. This is still a Z dominated site, I assume there was dialogue in opening up the site to more users, if someone can point me to those posts/etc I'd be interested to read them.

[padishah_emperor]

Hail Emperor!  Nice new avatar!  Thanks for the great (& detailed) info!
P.S. How's that dancing homer working out?  Oh yeah and the Cylon Tux app I did for ya?
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Alas they don't work  
Error: Could not play movie "ctux"  I wonder if it's because I'm on Qtopia 1.7?



I'm also attaching a screenshot of my setup for anyone who is curious.

[doc]

Hmm.  It's not even a movie, but it is just an animated GIF.

I'm built it using qtopia-free-1.7.0-2rh9.i386.rpm, but only have
qpe-libqtopia_1.6.0-13_arm.ipk running on my 5500 with the original Sharp ROM.  

Are you saying you tried the Z apps on the Yopy and they don't work?  Maybe it is just an install problem with where the GIF and WAV files get placed.

[iamasmith]

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Back from the dead....

Yopy YP3700, 1GB Microdrive, 64MB MMC
Linupy 2.1.0 Embedded Linux, T6 filesystem
X11 & Qtopia 1.7 running under X.


padishah_emperor, What is T6 Filesystem? Is it something we could be intrerested in?

- Andy

[lardman]

Hi Padishah_emperor,

Nice to see you back.

I did write to the OE chaps a while ago asking about how to proceed since the Yopy developer info they referred to on their site was obsolete but they did not reply, so.. I did dabble with Opie when I had a Z, I wasn't impressed and there were too many problems with it. I found if I raised an issue, the bulk standard attitude was go fix it yourself - which is not helpful, only Simon (Lardman) seemed to want to help.

There were issues with regard to moving stuff over (the very few people that wer working on it were overworked), I'd say the situation is significantly better now.

My understanding is that it's a fairly simple process to add a new machine to OE; if nothing else it gives you another option, plus a nice and easy-to-use setup and loads of apps (2000+ atm).

I see that the link to yopy.org is broken, I'm not quite sure what the status of the Yopy in OE is. Assuming it still needs some work, there have been a fair few new machines added (see http://openembedded.org/success.php or look in the packages/linux directory at the number of different kernels for different machines). I presume that the required basic machine info and the kernel source are available so it someone from your group is interested in picking it up I'd be happy to do what I can to help and obtain info.


Si

[padishah_emperor]

Hmm.  It's not even a movie, but it is just an animated GIF.

I'm built it using qtopia-free-1.7.0-2rh9.i386.rpm, but only have
qpe-libqtopia_1.6.0-13_arm.ipk running on my 5500 with the original Sharp ROM. 

Are you saying you tried the Z apps on the Yopy and they don't work?  Maybe it is just an install problem with where the GIF and WAV files get placed.

Hi Doc, I'm sure you're right, I'll take a look later I've had a few things which needed a wee tweek to work ;-) I'll make it my mission to find out. I must have the Cylon back!!

By your command..

padishah_emperor, What is T6 Filesystem? Is it something we could be intrerested in?

Hi Andy, I don't think it will be ;-) It's a Gmate filesystem release for the Yopy.
-Francis-

I see that the link to yopy.org is broken, I'm not quite sure what the status of the Yopy in OE is. Assuming it still needs some work, there have been a fair few new machines added (see http://openembedded.org/success.php or look in the packages/linux directory at the number of different kernels for different machines). I presume that the required basic machine info and the kernel source are available so it someone from your group is interested in picking it up I'd be happy to do what I can to help and obtain info.

Hi Simon, nice to see you're still here and fighting the good fight ;-)

I'd be willing to give OE a shot, like I said before I did write to them using the contact link on the OE site but I didn't get any reply so I thought 'stuff it' to be honest     But I've got a lot coming up including upgrading the kit we have here and moving it all over to Mac so my time is going be spent making sure my business can still operate.  The kernel sources are available but YopyNG are working on a new kernel, it may be wise to wait and see what happens with that before commiting to anything. The poll we're running does seem to favour both X and OE based systems equally. My only gripe would be that Yopy users by going down the OE route will loose X which so many Z users are after  

Time will tell, my personal preference is for the new kernel YopyNG are doing a Gmate derived fs with X and minimal apps - no PIMs and Qtopia 2.1 running like Qtopia 1.7 does now. Then users can add PIMs and apps to MMC or CF etc as desired.

[iamasmith]

padishah_emperor, What is T6 Filesystem? Is it something we could be intrerested in?

Hi Andy, I don't think it will be ;-) It's a Gmate filesystem release for the Yopy.
-Francis-

OK, sounded like an actual new filesystem type to me. That's why I hadn't heard of it  

[padishah_emperor]

OK, sounded like an actual new filesystem type to me. That's why I hadn't heard of it 

LOL! Afraid not.