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gojira

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« on: March 18, 2005, 03:10:25 am »
HI,

I'm interested in using the SharpROM Calendar (datebook), Address (addressbook) and Todo (todolist) apps after conversion to English with Stubear's script, but I've found a few problems:


addressbook

display view:
-field names obscure values: department, work fax, work zip, home fax, home zip, birthday, nickname, anniversary
-address formatting prints fields together without spaces
-cant change full name format
-some fields not displayed
-sorted by pronunciation, none comes first, within none strange order
edit view:
-doesnt automatically include all populated fields
-switches to j input for some fields
-some field names in edit view in japanese
beam from palm:
-cant receive records with custom fields
-all categories -> unfiled


datebook

-very slow to load (>1m)
-keeps rescanning for link files
-cant disable link file for internal flash
-very slow to rescan link files
-event view description label obscures start of value
-no compress day view
-repeat has 5th n-day of month rather than last
-lame time picker
-no category
-cant delete single occurence of repeating event
-beamed from palm loses repeat
-doesnt show events in next/prev month on month view
-no note indication
-shows only due noncompleted tasks only in today day view, all in list and 3 (scroll) in time
-doesnt sort tasks
-doesnt show due date (except for over) or priority
-slows down system (mem use?)


todolist

-sorts no duedate less than duedate
-doesnt show notes in list view
-doesnt use start date (does in datebook)
-clumsy note box in edit view
-cant sort by priority and duedate
-loses category when beamed from palm
-long english field names obscure values
-list view datefmt 04/12/31
-doesnt add more rows for smaller fonts


Most of these problems are just annoyances, lack of expected functionality, or can be avoided once known, so the biggest problem is probably the obscuring of field values by the labels.  Is there any way of fixing that?  Can the English strings be shortened somehow, or the column spacing changed?  Are there any fixes for any of the other problems?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2005, 12:37:01 pm »
Shap never released the code for their apps, hence there was no way anyone could correct things and/or make it better.

Hence the open source community went their own way and created a better set of PIM apps for the zaurus called the KDEPim suite which includes
KA/Pi - KAddressbook
KO/Pi - KOrganiser
OM/PI - OPIE mail component
Pw/Pi - Password manager

as one intergrated suite of PIM apps

Also provides way to Synch with the Sharp DTM format (the format for Sharp's PIM apps).
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2005, 02:55:44 am »
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Shap never released the code for their apps, hence there was no way anyone could correct things and/or make it better.
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Is it possible to change the strings or column spacing using some QPE mechanism, such as the Settings/*.conf or the i18n/ja/*.qm files?  I guess I could always edit the executable...

Thanks.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2005, 01:44:13 am »
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addressbook

display view:
-some fields not displayed[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=71228\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
This doesn't happen if i18n/ja/addressbook.qm is being used.

Has anyone tried using the PIM apps from the 6000?

Thanks.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2005, 01:50:33 am by gojira »
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2005, 10:33:10 pm »
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datebook
-very slow to load (>1m)
-keeps rescanning for link files
-cant disable link file for internal flash
-very slow to rescan link files
-slows down system (mem use?)
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Removing the symlink to / from under Documents fixed those  
Having device files in the list probably should have tipped me off...

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Is it possible to change the strings or column spacing using some QPE mechanism, such as the Settings/*.conf or the i18n/ja/*.qm files?  I guess I could always edit the executable...[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=71379\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
For datebook.so, shorten the first occurance of "Description:" by 3 chars.


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Has anyone tried using the PIM apps from the 6000?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=72075\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Apparently addressbook at least is included in Cacko ([a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8993&view=findpost&p=55093]ref 1[/url] ref 2 ref 3).  I'll try it and see how the fields compare.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2005, 03:18:32 am »
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For datebook.so, shorten the first occurance of "Description:" by 3 chars.[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
All the strings that need shortening are as follows:

<string> <occurance> <shorten by>

datebook.so
Description: 1 3

todolist.so
Description: 1 5
Category : 1 3

addressbook.so
Department: 1 4
Category: 1 1
Work Fax: 1 1
Work Zip: 1 1
Home Fax: 1 1
Home Zip: 1 1
Birthday: 1 1
Anniversary: 1 4
Nickname: 1 1

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Apparently addressbook at least is included in Cacko ([a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8993&view=findpost&p=55093]ref 1[/url] ref 2 ref 3).  I'll try it and see how the fields compare.[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I tried addressbook.so from bryandeluca.com/cacko/feed/addressbook_1.22-lite-1_arm.ipk but it fails to start, even with no db or .conf, quickexec exiting immediately with exit code of 255.  Maybe the 6k version of quickexec in needed too.

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Is it possible to change the strings or column spacing using some QPE mechanism, such as the Settings/*.conf or the i18n/ja/*.qm files?  I guess I could always edit the executable...[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=71379\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
As far as I can tell, ~/Settings/AddressBook.conf just gives the order of fields in the picker and which are currently selected, so changing the text there wouldn't change the labels.  However, it does seem to be recommended as a way of changing them ([a href=\"http://www.zaurususergroup.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=C-7x0%20Sharp%20Zaurus%20conversion]ref 1[/url] ref 2).  I tried it, but found that it just creates new fields which don't show up in the record view page and aren't saved, so maybe it's just a way of changing the leftover Japanese names if addressbook.so from a sl-6000 is used (but then why not just delete the config file?).
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2005, 01:02:38 am »
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I tried addressbook.so from bryandeluca.com/cacko/feed/addressbook_1.22-lite-1_arm.ipk but it fails to start, even with no db or .conf, quickexec exiting immediately with exit code of 255.  Maybe the 6k version of quickexec in needed too.
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[a href=\"http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/spforum/index.php?showtopic=41(]http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/spforum/index.php?showtopic=41([/url]ref 1, ref 2) has an addressbook.so identical to the cacko one, but it also includes liben.so, which, it turns out, is also needed.  Watch the gratuitous ROM rewriting in the install script.  It has alphabetic tabs and sorts alphabetically.  It supports most of the fields that the Japanese version supports, but clears some that it doesn't when saving a record.  It can't display Japanese text, so it isn't useful for me.   It still has Japanese field labels in the edit view, even after deleting ~/Settings/AddressBook.conf, which, if this is from the 6k, makes me think there's something seriously messed up with my Z.  I'll restore /home/ and try again...
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2005, 03:54:19 am »
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Has anyone tried using the PIM apps from the 6000?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Apparently addressbook at least is included in Cacko ([a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8993&view=findpost&p=55093]ref 1[/url] ref 2 ref 3).  I'll try it and see how the fields compare.
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[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11581&view=findpost&p=74710]This[/url] is from the 6k, so the cacko/shirtpocket version must be something else.  The 6k version can display Japanese text and doesn't clear the fields it doesn't use, so it's better than the cacko/shirtpocket version.  Editing AddressBook.conf still doesn't work for me though...
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