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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2005, 01:06:42 pm »
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  But hey, you're likely young, don't have a care in the world,

Hey,  I'm a 63 year old lady and I shop online all the time.  My husband (he's 68) just bought $1300 worth of furniture for our living room online!  They just delivered it last week.

I must confess I've had 2 problems in the years I've been shopping online (been online since '83 or so - Commodore 64 and CompuServe)...once I very stupidly had a VERY easy to guess password for EBay and someone hijacked my account and tried to sell an IBM laptop with my account and collect the money by Western Union - fortunately, someone got suspicious and reported it immediately to EBay and in about 2 weeks EBay got it all straightened out and restored my account.
Second,  somehow someone used my credit card to sign on to some porn sites - in this case,  I really didn't use the card online very much but have used it at restaurants and such so I can't say it was gotten online.  In any case,  the credit card company deleted the charges and I got a new credit card number from them.  No big deal.

But then....I live life on the edge.  
 
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2005, 07:12:44 pm »
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  But hey, you're likely young, don't have a care in the world,

Hey,  I'm a 63 year old lady and I shop online all the time.  
But then....I live life on the edge.  
 
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If that's the case, go for it. The type of things a crackhead would buy with your identity would not likely be something you'd chose for yourself so straightening things out shouldn't take too long.

Then again, what's a 63 year old lady doing hanging around a geek board anyway. I'm probably guility of stereotyping here, but what kind of things do you use your Z for?


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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2005, 06:55:56 am »
Do what I do - get a friend with a paypal account to buy it - give them cash :-)

That's how I bought my 860 :-)
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2005, 10:20:13 am »
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If that's the case, go for it. The type of things a crackhead would buy with your identity would not likely be something you'd chose for yourself so straightening things out shouldn't take too long.

Then again, what's a 63 year old lady doing hanging around a geek board anyway. I'm probably guility of stereotyping here, but what kind of things do you use your Z for?

Wow,  you ARE stereotyping.  I just bought an Archos AV420 (really was interested in the PMA but from going on the Yahoo message board it looks like most of the Zaurus apps don't work on it yet so I thought I'd wait.
So I think a young person might buy one of those.

I didn't know this board was strictly for geeks.

I mainly use my Z for ebook reading - I download free ones from irc at the undernet at #bookz.  We use it in the car as a gps - using a Digitraveler I got from Radio Shack for $30 and qpegps and zroadmap.

I keep my various info on it - logins to web sites - contact info, etc.

I keep it on my night stand at night and if I wake up in the middle of the night (which with old folks like me is often) I check the Woot of the day,  check my email and New York Times email version comes through at 3 AM so I read that (in the Sharp ROM email utility, the hot links WORK).

Have music on it that I play in the car.  Have Zeecookbook with all my recipes. Have Zbedic with various dictionaries including Latin - which I took 2 years of in high school - bet there aren't many people left who can say that. Have NFDB on it to check calories in foods (am on a diet like half of America).
Anyway,  my husband retired 4 years ago and we both have time on our hands what can I say?  Guilty of being an old female geek.  My kids have turned out fairly geeky too except for youngest daughter who is a writer and lyricist.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2005, 05:29:32 pm »
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I didn't know this board was strictly for geeks.

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Sorry to break it to you, but you're definitely a geek.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2005, 06:42:12 pm »
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I didn't know this board was strictly for geeks.

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Sorry to break it to you, but you're definitely a geek.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way
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Thanks, kahm.  
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2005, 07:24:57 am »
Quote from: tombraider,Jun 3 2005, 10:42 PM
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I didn't know this board was strictly for geeks.

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Sorry to break it to you, but you're definitely a geek.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way
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Not only are you a true geek tombraider (and I too mean that in the nicest possible way), but I hope to be just like you someday. I'm writing this a ~4am so I've got the insomnia part down but I've a long way to go to coming close to using my gadgets, any or all of them collectively to the level that you use your Zaurus. Hats off to you, and my sincere apologies for stereotyping you in the wrong way.  

Of course I do still stand by my paranoia concerning the identity theft problems we're facing in this country. Just to show you how deep it runs in me, I don't think they (you know, as in Big Brother), want it fixed until we're all ready to accept either a National ID, or the use of biometrics, or both.

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2005, 10:08:17 am »
Quote from: gdog,Jun 5 2005, 11:24 AM
Quote from: tombraider,Jun 3 2005, 10:42 PM
Quote from: kahm,Jun 3 2005, 09:29 PM
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I didn't know this board was strictly for geeks.

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Sorry to break it to you, but you're definitely a geek.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way
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Not only are you a true geek tombraider (and I too mean that in the nicest possible way), but I hope to be just like you someday. I'm writing this a ~4am so I've got the insomnia part down but I've a long way to go to coming close to using my gadgets, any or all of them collectively to the level that you use your Zaurus. Hats off to you, and my sincere apologies for stereotyping you in the wrong way.  

Of course I do still stand by my paranoia concerning the identity theft problems we're facing in this country. Just to show you how deep it runs in me, I don't think they (you know, as in Big Brother), want it fixed until we're all ready to accept either a National ID, or the use of biometrics, or both.

Best Regards,

gdog
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 Thanks, gdog, for your kind apology....really not necessary but thanks for your graciousness.  

  You have a lot of right on your side on the identity theft....you can see from the incidents I've mentioned that happened to me.  AND my husband has a friend from his old company who just emailed him that his daughter just had $7000 stolen out of her online banking account.  Someone got (or guessed) her password and then changed the password and sent himself or herself several checks cleaning out her checking and savings accounts.  Fortunately,  the bank is going to reimburse her entirely - how long can banks afford to do that,  I wonder?  

My Ebay password was a common dog's name and someone guessed it, so be sure to at least have some difficult password which someone is unlikely to guess.  

I just decide to "go for it" and try to beat the odds and hope for the best.  I'm sure I will get burned again,  though.
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2005, 12:33:06 pm »
tombraider,

Alas, if only the bad guys would figure out that they could consume less of their lives, in and out of prison and the legal system, earning an honest living. But some folks just can't be taught it would seem....

Regards,

gdog

ps If any of you bad guys out there are geeks yourselves, and happen to be reading this, my ebay password is not gdog  
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2005, 01:15:07 pm »
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It sounds to me like you might alreadly be living in your own little bubble if you haven't heard enough of what's going on around you to make you more aware that your credit card's "all but fifty dollar" protection isn't going to keep you safe from some big-time problems. But hey, you're likely young, don't have a care in the world, and know that you're way ahead of those out to take advantage of you
No, AmEx will not protect me from large scale fraud that you keep ranting on about, but that's not what I expect of AmEx.  They will however protect me from fradulent purchases on that card, wether the purchases were made online or not.

And yes, I am quite young.  But at 31, I think that takes me past the typical age of being naieve and without a care in the world.  


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By far the biggest problem with identity theft is that the thieves do not take your card and start ringing up charges on it. Not enough bang for your buck there, and only the small time crooks resort to that sort of thing. The good ones gather as much of your personal info as they can in order to manufacture new ID's for you, such as fake driver's licenses (with your name and their picture),  birth certificates, and sometimes SS cards in order to open up as many credit accounts as they can in your name, and sometimes even buy houses or boats (which are then resold very quickly). The "new" you does not live at your address and so it takes a while for the accumulation of fraudulent  debt to reach you. When it does, one day you'll receive a call or be visited by a debt collector asking when you plan to begin repaying this large debt that you owe. It will not matter that is wasn't actually the real you that signed for it, or that the signatature is not exactly like yours (who's signature looks like a carbon copy each time they write it?).  Where you now find yourself is in a position where some very bad people have opened a few dozen accounts in your name, charged somtimes tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt in your name, and you are the one being asked to pay it back. All the while they are enjoying the fruits of your new job which is clearing your name, while they merrily begin working on their next victim.
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If you doubt this, google yourself. You will likely be very surprised to see how much information about yourself is readily available out there. It's only the lowest form of identity thief who resorts to dumpster diving or skimming your card number that you used when you had dinner with the wife or filled up your car last.
I did, and the 11th listing on google shows offroadgeek.com.  Holy crap.. that's a domain that I own!  Wow, what a revelation.

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That's the truth of it. Believe it or not, it's your choice. But do yourself a favor and buy a shredder and use it. Keep your card covered when you insert it into the ATM and never clearly punch in your pin in such a way that someone can capture it on closed circuit tv.  Got out to google and type in idenitity theft and read some of the real life horror stories that are happening every day. Don't take my word for it....
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Just because I purchase things online with a credit card doesn't mean that I'm young, naieve, and un-aware of identify theft issues.  There are plenty of precautions that one can do... I do have a paper shredder (for shredding mail, receipts, etc.), and I check my credit every 6 months.  By doing that, I would know relatively quickly if someone decided to open a credit card under my name.  

You blindly leap into the assumption that if you use a credit card to buy something online, you are setting yourself up for identify theft.  Now if anyone should live in a bubble, I think you're a perfect candidate.  I'm sure you and your ridiculous paranoia will feel completely safe there.
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2005, 04:35:23 pm »
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Alas, if only the bad guys would figure out that they could consume less of their lives, in and out of prison and the legal system, earning an honest living. But some folks just can't be taught it would seem....
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I think since the whole debate was on another point - I will assume that this statement is an oversimplification.
Often time, honest living is a monopoly of the priviledged class  which gets taken away by society (and its crude machinations) from the under-priviledged. Maybe in America making an honest living is easier, but again its not a absolute truth either, So Bad guys as you paint them - who would be better off spending less time in prisons - dont really do it by choice always, and they are not so ignorant of honest living as much as handicapped from accessing means to an honest living.

I guess the figuring out part has to be done more by society as a whole - i.e us, them, the overloards and all and thats a much bigger debate.

Till then just relax and realise - that life is a mix of good guys and bad guys and the struggle (to make a wholesome set of people) will go on.
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2005, 06:08:40 pm »
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And I don't trust anyone (ie the Internet), to put my credit card number or other personal info out there in order to complete automated transactions. Haven't been burned  yet but did have to change my CC number when geeks.net got hacked a couple of years back.
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- do a wire transfer directly into dealer's bank account - Brando have all the details for this as do PriceJapan. this will cost up to US$50 to do
- take a european or japan holiday to go buy the items!

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2005, 04:23:02 am »
This topic was ressurected just recently, so the participants may not be around anymore, but I frankly think it's silly to imply that anyone using a credit card online is being foolish. In fact, I'd be interested to know how the two issues that gdog brought up are even connected. He said that the problem is not someone charging things to your card, but rather perpetrating a large-scale identity theft campaign against you. Yes, identity theft can be a very real problem. But even if someone should happen to get ahold of your credit card information through an online purchase, I don't see how this allows them to steal your identity. I suppose what he is actually saying is that credit card information is one of many types of information that can be used for identity theft, along with (I would suppose) social security number, address, mother's maiden name, etc etc. But if you use a modicum of caution in other areas of your life, I don't think that using a credit card online would be any more dangerous than giving out the various other kinds of information which we must give out in our daily lives.

(For the record, I've been a heavy online shopper for about as long as such a thing has been possible, and have had no problems.)

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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2005, 10:34:27 pm »
Discover card has this new thing where you don't enter your actuall card into the transaction

Its called "discover desktop" and somehow it makes up a number for you or something.....havnt tried it yet.

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2005, 05:48:01 am »
I used to work for one of the largest online credit card processing companies, owned by one of the largest banks in Europe.

The vast majority of fraud problems was the use of credit cards whose details had been stolen in real-life (skimmed in restaurants, bars, clubs etc by unethical staff). Credit card skimmers are as small as matchboxes, and simply store the card's mag stripe for later download. The skimmer simply sells on the card through a number of black-market channels.

The dodgy card details are then tested by making a very small purchase online, to prove the card is active... e.g. buy an mp3 track or a shareware license key.

The problem with internet shopping is that you need a drop-box which gives traceability... so once the card is validated, it's then common to make a major purchase in a real shop (simply take a valid card and overwrite the mag stripe with the skimmed card details - very very few shops check that the printout on the receipt matches what's embossed on the card!).

Thus it's very important to check your card statement as a small apparently insignificant error can tell you your card's been skimmed.
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