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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2005, 11:42:50 am »
From what I can see there is a less than $75 difference between 3k and 3.1k.


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ok, but the 3k is $200 dollars cheaper that the 3.1k. Other thoughts? I'm leaning towards the 1k, hows the wifi support on it?
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2005, 01:48:12 pm »
Having used a 5500 for the last 3 years, I can say thta it is an awesome platform. Yeh the battery sucks (I get about 2.5 hours out of a well conditioned battery), but everywhere else it is awesome.

The biggest factors that have me wanting a C1k/3k is bigger screen, better battery and USB host.

So for first foray into zaurus if you want to test the water and can live without the above the 5500 is a good platform.

Some of what I have done with my 5500 are below:

64/0 ROM - the 5500 has 64MB of memory split between program storage and RAM. With a 64/0 you devote all the memory to RAM and use an SD card for storage.

Apache/MySQL/Perl

Java development with Kopi

zgcc 2.95 dev environment - thanks to using a 256MB SD card as storage.

Now any zaurus can do the above (except the 64MB RAM change) I'm just pointing out that the 5500 is still very usable.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2005, 09:37:22 pm »
any way to extend the battery life on the SL-5500? Like by a second battery w/ more life to it? What's the longest lasting battery available? How much more would that be on top of the SL-5500, and either a wifi card or a SD card?
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2005, 12:12:48 am »
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I suppose I should note that my SL-5500 was no better at showing the screen in direct sunlight, but I believe I have read that SL-6000s use a different screen lighting technology that looks much better in intense external light.
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The 5500 has the same transflexive screen technology as the 6000. In intense light it just as visible as the 6000 is.

The clamshell model's screen is a transmissive screen, which is why they wash out in direct sunlight.

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any way to extend the battery life on the SL-5500? Like by a second battery w/ more life to it? What's the longest lasting battery available? How much more would that be on top of the SL-5500, and either a wifi card or a SD card?

An external battery extender is easy to make using NiMH batteries in groups of 4 for 4.8v. I used 8x2200mAh AA NiMH batteries and got ~20hrs run time from my 5500 with an SD card, screen at half brightness, playing mp3s.

A better option for an external pack may be the Pelican Powerbrick for the PSP. Neater, inline charging, and cheap.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2005, 07:44:20 pm »
is the battery extender expensive? How much extram space would it add to the 5500? Thoughts on the C1000 vs. the 5500? I ruled out the 3000 for now.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2005, 02:08:09 am »
While I somewhat doubt the 5500 is for you (the way you are asking questions
suggests you are seeking perfection, which can hardly be achieved with a PDA 3 years
old), I will stand up here and counter what almost amounts to 5500-bashing posted
here by some.

Given the right software, the 5500 is a productive platform. Hardware-wise it may be
a bit dated, especially when it comes to the CPU and display size, but if you can live
with not being on the bleeding edge that may not be a real problem. As far as display
quality is concerned, I have to seriously disagree with Mirrormn's statement:

"The only thing that dissapoints me about my SL-C1000 is that the screen is so very
hard to read in direct sunlight [...] I should note that my SL-5500 was no better at
showing the screen in direct sunlight [...] "

Now I wouldn't know about the C1K, but the 5500's screen provides excellent
readability in broad sunlight. I use it quite frequently to surf the 'net while I'm outside
basking in the sun, so this is not second hand knowledge.

The one big flaw in the 5500's design is indeed related to the screen, though: its
display illumination (AFAIK a fluorescent tube to the right of the display) uses a
ridiculous amount of energy especially on the highest setting, bringing battery life down
to a level that's virtually unacceptable. Not much that can be done about that, apart
from trying to use batteries with a higher capacity not initially intended for the Z and/or
adding one of the aforementioned external extenders, which, in the best case, can be
built/bought for as little as $/€ 10 or so -- and trying to avoid using things like display
illumination and hungry peripherals (read: WLAN cards) as much as possible.

CPU performance is IMHO adequate, enough to view 320x240@15fps MPEG-4
movies. And while the PXA's run at almost double the clock speed of the 5500's
StrongARM, that doesn't mean its overall performance is twice as good. To really
gain from those CPUs, applications have to specifically use PXA instructions, which
then will provide significant performance improvements.

So that's the second drawback of owning such an 'outdated' machine like the 5500:
support is seriously dwindling away into nothingness. Obviously Sharp's support
at all times and for all models has been virtually nonexistant (at least outside of
Japan), but the active Z community has certainly more than made up for that. But
most 'serious' 5500 users have decided to move on and graduate towards the later
models. So recent development may not always support the 5500 in an acceptable
manner (or, some cases, not at all, because it specifically targets PXA CPUs).

I for one still love my 'Collie' -- it does all I want it to do, which is more than enough to
astound most people. And these days, it's easily the Linux PDA platform with the most
bang for the buck. Be warned, though -- IMHO a reasonable size SD card is a must
have, adding to the total system cost. But then again that goes for all models
IMHO, with the obvious exception of the C3Ks.

Disclaimer: I'm a systems engineer with 20 years of UN*X experience and thus usually
know how to help myself. Other people's mileage obviously may vary quite a bit ...

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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2005, 02:03:51 pm »
Nice reply Chris. Said everything I wanted too but didn't
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2005, 09:28:49 pm »
I would like a PDA w/ decent battery life. Yes, a readable screen is a must(if it can't be read, what's the point?) but I can live w/out top of the line. I would like to be able to use a wifi card. But that won't be 100% of the time. I really like the idea of a Linux PDA, at a low cost. The 5500 goes for $175 on ebay! can't get better than that. What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not the C1000 is better enough to justify the extra $300 dollars. Thoughts?
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2005, 01:32:32 am »
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Well, typically that rules out the 5500 -- unless you only use it in bright ambient light . Seriously though, with a new, fully charged battery you can expect anything from 50 minutes to over 10 hours of continuous use, depending on what exactly it is you are doing -- i.e. watching a live video stream via WLAN or using it as an audio player. I'm not going into details again here; there are quite a few threads on battery life that can be readily found using the search function.
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In the end, that's something everyone has to decide for themselves. For me, personally, no. While a higher resolution display and better battery life would be nice, I certainly wouldn't plonk down that amount of money for a PDA, especially one that otherwise (i.e. from a remaining hardware point of view) doesn't justify that price. Aside from that even if I did I certainly wouldn't go for the CxK series but rather for an SL-6000, for reason of display and built-in WLAN. But that's just me, I'm weird like that

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2005, 02:03:37 am »
I personally wouldn't pay more than $30 for a PDA that purely does PDA functionality. Most mobile phones these days can do those things. However, if you look at the C1000/C3000, they are more than just a PDA. They seriously can be used as a laptop replacement especially if you have a desktop computer and the laptop is just a heavy burden that accompanies you while you are travelling.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2005, 12:35:30 pm »
I like the idea of a C1000. It looks to be a nice PDA. Is the extra ram, better screen/battery, and usb host really worth $300? I'm leaning towards the 5500 at the moment. I also looked at the 6000, but I can't find a new one anywhere! Ideas on that?
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2005, 03:50:21 pm »
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Uhm, AFAIK the C1000 does not have more RAM, 'just' more flash memory (128 MByte rather than 16). With 128 MByte SD cards selling at around €12/$15, that is really a non-issue IMHO. The other points (larger keyboard, higher display resolution, better battery life, PXA processor and, most of all USB host capability) are all valid -- the latter of which though is, again IMHO, only marginally useful if you actually use the device as a PDA instead of a laptop replacement. Imagine carrying around USB peripherals plus cables in your pocket -- I don't think so
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Uhm again -- you'll be hard pressed to find a new 5500 these days as well, since it's been out of production for quite a while now. There may still be unused ones around that have been sitting on the shelf all this time, but I would hardly call those new -- which, of course, is the reason why they are available cheap in the first place. And used SL-6000 do occasionally pop up on eBay and sometimes go for amazingly little money (I'm still grumbling since I recently missed out on one that eventually went for €300/$360).

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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2005, 04:10:59 pm »
As a user who went from a 5500 to a 760 (similar in operation to 1000 sans usb host) I can say it is worth $300 difference.  If your on the cheap then the 5500 is the way to go, but I think the 1000 is decent value for the money.  You may have less compatibility with the older 320*240 software, but there is so much potential with the newer stuff.  The more important older software has generally been ported over, anyways.  kopi, spreadsheets, and web browsing are much more satisfying in vga landscape.  The keyboard is so much easier to use.  The extra ram and flash storage are also much easier to work with.  You don't have to worry about losing data/settings because your battery ran out.

My 760 cost me around $750 when it first came out.  The 1000 for ~$500 with usb host and improved ergonomics is a good buy.


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I like the idea of a C1000. It looks to be a nice PDA. Is the extra ram, better screen/battery, and usb host really worth $300? I'm leaning towards the 5500 at the moment. I also looked at the 6000, but I can't find a new one anywhere! Ideas on that?
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2005, 07:34:43 am »
I used to have a 5500 and now I own a C1000.

Go with the C1000, seriously! You won't regret it.

The scope is so much greater with a C1000.
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2005, 09:12:41 am »
I have a 5500, a 760 and a 3000.  The 5500 is a fine device unless you have access to one of the clamshell models.

The speed, storage, and display resolution are huge upgrades from the 5500.  With my 3000, I haven't even come close to running low on storage or running out of room to install packages for normal use.

There's just no comparison between the 5500 and the clamshell models.  The clamshells are worth every penny more, IMO.