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Micla

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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2005, 01:15:38 pm »
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1) about the size :
- there is an ipk around somewhere that does show the size
- I'll check the size of the packages (after installing)

2) about df not working for /mnt/cflinux :
- are you sure you installed to cf, or did you install to /mnt/cflinux (which is a common dir if nothing is mounted to it - ls will work then).
- what does df show ?

3) about mounting at startup :
- search the forum for "partitioning SD". There is a thread where is explained what to do.
- to mount it manually, I think the command is "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/cflinux" (/mnt/cflinux must exist)

4) about installing :
- did you replace (package.you.want.to.install) with the correct names ?

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1) After "manual mounting, i've got :
- df on /mnt/cf : 324392 k-bytes (my FAT partition)
- df on /mnt/cflinux : 170339 k-bytes (ext2)

2) I've no longer observed this phenomenon : "ls" working and "df" non working.  Now, both of them run fine.

3) Despite a dedicated line into /etc/fstab, my partition /mnt/cflinux is still not automatically mounted (line = /dev/hda2<TAB>/mnt/cflinux<TAB>auto<TAB>noauto,owner, as well as for /dev/hda1 which mounts perfectly and automatically as /mnt/cf).
The thread about "partitionning SD" speaks all along about the file /etc/sdcontrol. But I'm not SD, I'm CF ...! and I've found nothing like /etc/cfcontrol.

I think that there is also a CF access pb due to the fact that I go in the USB system tool, and select the Disk choice, precisely on the CF device (which gives access to /mnt/cf). Then, my Z + its CF acts as a USB key. But I have observed some dysfunctionning after such uses ...

4) about installing : Yes ...! I've perfectly taken the correct name ...!   :-))))
Each ipkg command gives me error like :
# ipkg -d /mt/cflinux install /mnt/cf/kdebase*  <RETURN>
ERROR: File not found: /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/cacko-unstable
            You probably want to run `ipkg update'
Installing kdebase...[AND HERE, AFTER A LOOOONG TIME:]Done.
*** Command: add
*** Locating package
Package "kdebase" not found on external storages.
#

. One thing surprising inside that is that it begins with an error message (till ... update').
. Then the line "Installing  .....  Done."  seems to indicate that something has correctly run.
. And then a second error message ("...not found ...") which seems desesperate for this way of installing.

5) Of course, KDE fails to start normally, without surprise after all that :
a. If I start the normal WM, and then type "startkde" in an aterm, I have : startkde : not found".
b. If I try a "ls /usr/lib", I have a long listing, but "ls /usr/lib/kde" gives "ls ... no such file or directoy".
c. But "ln -sf /usr/lib/kde/bin/startkde ~/.xinitrc" gave no comment, and "startx" has started something strange : I have had 3 great "term" windows opened, no task bar, nothing graphic, and hopefully, typing exit, all has shut and i could come back to the normal command-line. I made "rm ~/.xinitrc", reput the original one which I had copied as .xinitrc_old, and now my "normal" WM starts again. It's an adventure ...!!!

6) I've found (but I don't re-find where) that I also had to install : libxml2, libxslt, libart, pcre, qt-mt, and I've added kdepim qt-headers because it sounded respectively interesting & reasonnable ...

7) And for the end : ... Do you have sense of humour ...? I've been said on an other side that "XFCE" would be preferable to KDE which asks too much processor-power and is too complex for a machine like the Zaurus. And ... I see that you use XFCE ...? What do you think about the compared installation and uses of KDE & XFCE ?

TIA for all helpers, and 1st of all for all readers ...!
Zaurus SLC 860 - CF 512 MB - currently pdaXrom RC10 ...

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2005, 02:23:14 pm »
@ Micla,

About installing KDE :
As far as I understand ipkg, it installs all the files on your cf, but can't locate them to create the required symlinks in root.
Maybe I missed something and you have to add a location to ipkg first, before you can install to /mnt/cflinux. I only installed to root and to SD so far.
Maybe somebody else can tell us?

You could add the some locations to your path (/mnt/cflinux/bin, ...). A mirror of the locations that are already in your path. Maybe this could make it work.
I could send you a modified copy of my /etc/profile, just for testing, I'm not sure it will work, but as it is an adventure ...

The extra's you installed :
- qt-mt, qt-headers : I believe these are for developing purpose only. If you're not going to compile on your Z, you don't really need them
- kdepim : comes installed when you flash (kopi, kapi, ...). There are different versions. Before you install a new one, I recommend you uninstall the older one. Check using package manager.
- the other ones are required by several packages, so they won't hurt.

KDE versus XFCE :
I can't tell which one is best. It all depends on what you want/like. It's good to have a choice. (KDE, ICE, XFCE, FVWM, MATCHBOX, ...).
I can only tell you that I like xfce4 more, 'cause it is a lot faster than KDE. But I also like the feeling of having a machine in my pocket that can run KDE.
I use xfce4 for daily use, KDE for fun every now and then.
I can't suspend my Z when running kde. I suppose it has something to to with a swap/cache file kde creates and can't re-open after suspends. I had the same problem when I was running KDE-apps from a debian chroot. I don't know if someone else can resume after a long suspend when using KDE.
It's up to you to figure out what you like most.

For discussions on xfce4 :
....xfce4, last version : thread when I compiled it, comments from testers.
xfce finetuning : recent thread (nice screenshots of the menu).
xfce4-files : the files (the base package is in /SD).

Have fun,
Chero.
HP-95LX -> HP Jornada 680 -> SL-C860 -> SL-C3100 -> Fuji u810 -> SL-C1000 -> HTC uni -> SL-C860 -> SL-C760.
March 12 2009 : Back because the Zaurus is one of a kind.
SL-C760 : pdaXrom
Pandora pre-ordered -> received and tested : great device but not my cup of tea -> sold.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2005, 04:22:04 am »
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For discussions on xfce4 :
....xfce4, last version : thread when I compiled it, comments from testers.
xfce finetuning : recent thread (nice screenshots of the menu).
xfce4-files : the files (the base package is in /SD).

Have fun,
Chero.
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Oops ... I'm impressed by all the litterature about XFCE ...!

So, ... "Chero"  is a hidden contraction of "Cheered Hero" ...?

Reading all that, I have to admit that I'm not so "specialized" as all these guys who discuss of a lot of things, without never saying what it is. I surely need more "basic" explanation. This is probably also a comment justified for other open source developments ...

So, in my situation, if I only make the same "ipkg" commands with "uninstall", my KDE will be removed ?

And to install XFCE, is it sufficient to make the same "ipkg -d ... install ..." for all the ".ipk" files in "http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/rc10/chero/" ?

(For the moment beeing, the only files which I feel able to install properly are the ".jpg"   :=O)

Sorry to come back to very basic things ...

And thank's for all these comments already. I will surely come back on the KDE problem later, but I will first og to the simplest and more efficient tool that can replace it.

... 'soon require the URL to enlist in your XFCE fan club !!!

Micla.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2005, 10:57:54 am »
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... So, in my situation, if I only make the same "ipkg" commands with "uninstall", my KDE will be removed ?
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Not sure, the install didn't finish as it should, so it could be that ipkg doesn't know the package is there.

I suggest you use "package manager".
In case you the package isn't listed as installed, you can only manually remove the files of your cflinux. If you don't have too many packages installed there, you'd better remove all files on cflinus and start again.


About xfce4 : Don't want to answer it here, it's a thread about KDE, check your PM

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2005, 02:35:15 pm »
Just want to say your package of KDE is a reakky great stuff, although there only lacks a very little bit of speed and ram for it to be usable. XFCE is much lighter (well, you can make little scripts to start either KDE or XFCE, just by renaming the .xinitrc and run startx) but, **EDIT you may consider compiling it yourself **, my compiled version is somehow faster and more up to date ** EDIT this is the CVS version with selected components **, and since it compiled just fine (ok, it takes quite some time to make, but anyway) you just have to pickup the source on xfce.org CVS and make the parts you want.
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All my reports and testing were made (if no other mention given) on SL-C1000

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2005, 03:13:09 pm »
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Just want to say your package of KDE is a reakky great stuff, although there only lacks a very little bit of speed and ram for it to be usable. XFCE is much lighter (well, you can make little scripts to start either KDE or XFCE, just by renaming the .xinitrc and run startx) but I STRONGLY advice you compile it yourself, my compiled version is somehow faster and more up to date, and since it compile just fine (ok, it takes quite some time to make, but anyway) you just have to pickup the source on xfce.org and make the parts you want.
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The kde-packages are provided by the pdaXrom-team, all credits go to those great guys.

(again talking about xfce in a thread about something else, sorry but I just need to answer this  )
About xfce :
- The packages I provided a link to in post 17 are compiled on the Z, with the same compiler you are using .
- The latest released version of the source on the xfce-site is 4.2.2, which is the version used to create those packages
So I don't think there is any need to recompile this (unless you have a lot of free space and you really like doing it yourself) and there is absolutely no need for a strong advice to other users to do the same.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I really needed to answer this. I believe people should better put their time in new things and then share them with others instead of doing the same over and over again. Only that way the list of available packages for pdaX will keep on growing.

Sorry for this intervention,
Chero.
HP-95LX -> HP Jornada 680 -> SL-C860 -> SL-C3100 -> Fuji u810 -> SL-C1000 -> HTC uni -> SL-C860 -> SL-C760.
March 12 2009 : Back because the Zaurus is one of a kind.
SL-C760 : pdaXrom
Pandora pre-ordered -> received and tested : great device but not my cup of tea -> sold.