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« on: August 16, 2005, 05:18:14 am »
Currently and for the last 1.5 years i have been working fulltime on the pdaXrom project but that might not be the case for much longer due to cashflow problems

We need roughly $500 a month to pay all my bills and stay alive and pay for hardwarde/internet/site etc. - the $500 makes it possible for me to work fulltime on the project.  Usually each month we get a maximum total of $200 from donations and banner clicks - what normally happens is that Laze pays the difference up to the $500 we need each month to keep everything running. But due to problems with Lazes private economy he can't be paying this difference for the next 4-6 months at least.

So now we are left with two options:
1. We get more donations and banner clicks so the total amount each month reaches the $500. If each user that was active in the forum just donated like $10-20 it would be solved. I know some people donate but not as many that downloads the rom at least  Maybe we should make it so you could have a regular subscribtion for each month?

2. I go find a "real" job and thereby i would only me able to work like 1 hour on the pdaXrom project a day and that would not be good for the project. Yes we could find more developers but each time we have tried they work on the project for a week and then they lose interest - so we have decided that i stay the core developer and we have sub-developer making applets/programs etc for the rom.

I of course prefer option 1 so please, please help keep pdaXrom alive and donate today
« Last Edit: August 16, 2005, 05:32:14 am by Laze »

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 06:29:35 am »
Well thats my donation made.

I think that a regular payment option would be a good idea.

Hope everybody else chips in.

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 06:37:52 am »
Hi Laze, Sash and other developers,

YES I'm interested in donating about 50 EURO, but I could not pay it because ikobo and paypal will not accept my credit cards until some weeks ago ...

now I hope to find a solution with paypal, but it will be very helpful to make a normal money transfer ... I live in germany and it will be nice to transfer money to a german bank or bank without transfer costs ...

Good luck and go on developing ...
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 06:58:22 am »
Martin how about MoneyBrookers https://www.moneybookers.com/app/?rid=633630

I don't think you could transfer anything without paying something - it should be pretty easy to transfer money to my danish bank though i think. But please try the other options first.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 07:06:14 am »
Although I don't use pdaXrom( I have tried it though  ), I'll be making a donation since I think it's a cool project and I'd like to see it develop...
Keep up the work chaps
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2005, 07:50:19 am »
Ditto. Just the idea of someone being able to work full-time on a Zaurus ROM is so cool that I'm willing to kick in a few $$ just on general principle

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2005, 07:56:49 am »
I just contributed :-)

I love pdaXrom and when OpenOffice works on it (please developers help us get OpenOffice working on your rom), I know it will be my rom of choice.

I can definitely spare 10 dollars a month for a few months.

ikobo didn't work with my mastercard and threw up tons of errors with my visa, so I had to use paypal.

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2005, 08:24:42 am »
I hope you people don't mind too much if I write this in Russian -- well, I guess you do mind, but I'm just trying to make my message most clear, without any possible misunderstanding I occasionally get when a recepient of mine is trying to decipher something I enciphered , ok?

sashz, тут дело вот в чем. Люди будут жертвовать деньги, только если будут видеть, что это что-то меняет, что что-то происходит, что они не жертвуют их впустую. В данный момент проект pdaxrom, со стороны, по крайней мере, выглядит как полностью замороженный проект без следов какой-либо деятельности. То есть, ничего не происходит: за кучу времени вышел только один RC (хороший, кстати, но только один) -- и больше не произошло ничего вообще. То есть, вообще ничего. Текущий сайт не обновляется, о новом сайте речь вроде и шла, а воз и ныне там. Изредка Laze появляется на форуме и рассказывает о том, что идет напряженная деятельность, и что дескать отсутствие какой-либо информации о ней говорит только о ее напряженности. Но это же нонсенс полный -- люди поверят в напряженную деятельность, только если будут видеть ее результаты -- и чем больше, тем лучше! Но никаких результатов не видно. Так с какой целью люди будут жертвовать, если, несмотря на их предыдущие попытки, проект, наоборот, вообще остановился? Зачем жертвовать, если это ничего не изменяет? Люди при этом пробуют другую стратегию -- раз пожертвования никакого результата не приносят, то, может быть, будет получен какой-либо результат от их отсутствия?

Я что хочу сказать. Если действительно какая-то работа ведется, то она, или как минимум информация о ней должна быть постоянно доступна. Люди любят новости. Люди любят новые фичи. Люди вообще любят, когда что-то проиходит. Тогда при появлении новой фичи можно будет просить их о том, чтобы они чего-нибудь пожертвовали. Но куда лучше вообще сделать систему, где есть список фичей, и каждый желающий может персонально внести сумму, которую он даст за ее выполнение. По каждой фиче должен быть свой тред, в каждый из которых будут поститься апдейты о том, что с фичой происходит. Все эти апдейты также автоматом можно выносить в одну основную ленту новостей. Как только фича сделана, все положенные на нее деньги уходят команде разработчиков. Это будет гораздо лучше. Это вообще будет идеальным вариантом.

Можно также ввести подписку, но, думаю, это будет гораздо хуже.

В общем, коммуникация -- вот что ОЧЕНЬ важно. По сути, люди жертвуют за коммуникацию, частным случаем которой являются новые релизы -- но также и новости, и прочие вещи. А когда люди не жертвуют, а делают вклад в то, что им КОНКРЕТНО необходимо -- это вообще совсем хорошо. Я крайне настоятельно мог бы порекомендовать подумать над предложенной bounty-системой, где люди вносят вклады за фичи. По-моему, это было бы САМЫМ лучшим вариантом для проекта сейчас. Если же продолжать политику о том, что дескать, "нам нужны деньги, а дальше уж мы там сами как-нибудь", то проект, скорее всего, загнется.

Все это -- на уровне простого совета. Надеюсь, я достаточно адекватно смог высказать свои мысли. Спасибо за понимание.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2005, 08:49:03 am »
i will originate donation in china for X as soon as.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2005, 08:56:37 am »
I donated last month and I'm willing to donate another 50$ once a C3k version is available.

Maybe it would make sense to split the donations to the various projects e.g.
- C3k Port     250$
- C3100 Port   10$
- OpenOffice    75$
As the development effort would thus be transparently invested in the various sub-projects this might attract more donations for the highly requested projects.

what do you think?

regards, Philippe

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2005, 09:19:57 am »
I'd certainly contribute more regularly if there was more obvious form of feedback as to what work was being done.

I'd love to see a pdaXrom timeline and a list of goals for each up coming release.

If pdaXrom users could help to shape the direction of the rom and the apps which run on it, I think that would encourage more money from said users. The users who contribute could be allowed to vote for changes, apps, etc.

We users would be the clients for you, the developers.

Ideally, by keeping us users happy, you get the money you need in order to add the things to pdaXrom that you, the developers want for it too.

Hope that seems logical.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2005, 09:46:02 am by omro »
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 10:04:26 am »
I think ikm and omro have a very sound idea.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2005, 10:17:56 am »
Did you receive a donation of roughly $80 two weeks ago by moneybookers from lionel-shopping@somedomain? I monitored the donat-o-meter but didn't see anything matching my donation (went from $35 to $95 by $30 steps last time I checked, today it is at $220).

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2005, 10:19:23 am »
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I think ikm and omro have a very sound idea.
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Anyone able to translate what ikm said?  

Would be curious to hear what Laze and Sashz have to say in response to my suggestion, as that is really up to them if they're willing.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2005, 10:25:28 am »
gyver got it - thank you - the donation meter is reset each month.

Me and sash will post a timeline but the "problem" is that sash is just like me - often something more interesting than fixing a stupid bug arrives.

But as right now we are working on finishing the latest 10.4 for all the different platforms (looking into the latest different models too) and at the same time Sash is struggeling with the new X system for the embedded platform with heavy accelration on many thing.

Openoffice is bascially very "hard" due to manu things including the library problems and java includes etc.

As always we are planning on making different projects/bugs you can donate towards but if for example you wan't to quickly see a C31k you can just "mark" you donation in the comment and write something like "Please work on a C3k1 version" - which many people already do.

IKM: I have tried to translate your text and i agree - i will look into it today - actually i have a weeks holliday this week and hopefully we can get the new site running. One part of it will be Sash writing a weekly blog about progress/activity.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2005, 10:29:27 am by Laze »
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