Full Debian Linux On Zaurus Sl-5500 Etc

[koen]

Would it help if I change the name of the forums from OE Forums to OESF Forums?  Or is the issue the "OE" in OESF?
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The issue is with the usage of 'OE' and 'Open Embedded' (with or without the space) without prior communication. I've asked around and nobody seems to recall any dialog, except 'I wish offroadgeek hadn't done that' after the name change.
I personally have a problem with calling stuff like the sharprom and cacko 'open' or 'open source' and as hrw recently discovered, promoting warez and piracy (ever looked inside pdaxrom and checked what they are shipping?).
It's your forum, so you can do with it what you like (as you should). I do find it annoying that people attack and insult me when I try to find out what's missing in OZ in an OZ-section. And I am more than annoyed by people who claim 'OESF' is all about OE. I appriciate the effort, but resent the usurping (is that a better word?) of the name from OE.
I also have to make a note that I'm used to dealing with ipaq users which have the following characteristics:

1) have seen the wasteland (wince)
2) have been smart enough to navigate the internet to find handhelds.org
3) were able to reflash their device themselves by following the install guide
4) are genuinely gratefull to the effort
5) are able to use google and use + expand the hh.org wiki

If you look at this forum you can see roughly 2 categories of Zaurus users:

1) enthusiastic people trying to mold their zaurus into something of their liking
2) lazy, ungratefull  and obnoxious people who always complain and never search the forums or the internet ('I can't install <whatever>ROM, this sucks')

It seems that 2) are a very vocal part of this forum, and I sure hope they are a minority.

That's pretty much all I have to say about this and I'll return to helping people who have asked smart questions. I'll try to stay away from responding people who think they can waste my time so they don't have to think for themselves...

[polito]

Non-native speaker of the English language. Koen uses it well enough to say what he means and mean what he says. He isn't lacking in his understanding and usage of the language whatsoever.

Anyway, when someone goes and makes other people feel like they are morons just because they don't know the difference between OE and a distribution is, that is what makes me upset. No one should be made to feel stupid because they don't know what something is. Anyone ever care to think that perhaps, just maybe, some users of the forums could be younger folk who might be hurt at being called an idiot, even if done on the sly?

I myself am not a younger user of these forums but I begin to wonder whether I should just make my own forum somewhere else. Anywhere else... anywhere but a place where making people feel dumb is tolerated.

[microsoft/linux]

And yet, the title of this thread is "Full Debian Linux On Zaurus Sl-5500 Etc, DEBIAN ON ZAURUS". Somehow I'm thinking this is turning into a flamewar more than anything else. This has strayed so far from the original topic that if I had moderator powers, this would be closed(I'm not trying to be rude in any way shape or form).

My suggestion...everyone cool off!!!. Would it be possible to get this thread back on track? I for one would like some more information on Debian on the Zaurus

[polito]

Well unfortunately this also happens to be the wrong forum for this thread in the first place.

And @lardman, I did find my comment about my left-butt cheek particularly amusing and you'll also note that I did not in fact start "this" as you've put it. Koen started by not being particularly kind regarding the inability to "grasp" the concept that OE is a build system and OZ is a distribution for the Zaurus. If we're talking about matter-of-factly then please take note of Koen's matter-of-factness will you please?

Anyhoo.. I'll refrain from further devolving into a puddle of bubbly goo as this is getting so bad it's going backwards.

[weasel123]

Koen is not a native English speaker, sometimes he comes across as being a bit rude, I don't think this is necessarily how he should be interpreted (though in some cases I can see why he might be being brusque).

This is not true, Koen has shown a excellent grasp of the english laguage so far in his postings, they are grammatically correct and his statements should stand.  I myself am not a native english speaker but i still stand by my statements.

His arrogant attitude is one reason why i am very reluctant to try GPE or anything he is involved with,He makes Derek Smart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart look like the most curteous guy in the world.

I am very respectfull of Mikeyl and other guys who are kind and mature enough  to reply to our queries without a haughty, pubescent pimply faced youth  type of attitude.

If you see his posts the majority of them are rants and raves at some unfortuante person, IMHO he is doing more harm to opie/gpe than the good he has done.

[polito]

His arrogant attitude is one reason why i am very reluctant to try GPE or anything he is involved with,He makes Derek Smart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart look like the most curteous guy in the world.

I was thinking Derek Smart myself, that Smarts!

[craigtyson]

Would it help if I change the name of the forums from OE Forums to OESF Forums?  Or is the issue the "OE" in OESF?
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The issue is with the usage of 'OE' and 'Open Embedded' (with or without the space) without prior communication. I've asked around and nobody seems to recall any dialog, except 'I wish offroadgeek hadn't done that' after the name change.
I personally have a problem with calling stuff like the sharprom and cacko 'open' or 'open source' and as hrw recently discovered, promoting warez and piracy (ever looked inside pdaxrom and checked what they are shipping?).
It's your forum, so you can do with it what you like (as you should). I do find it annoying that people attack and insult me when I try to find out what's missing in OZ in an OZ-section. And I am more than annoyed by people who claim 'OESF' is all about OE. I appriciate the effort, but resent the usurping (is that a better word?) of the name from OE.
I also have to make a note that I'm used to dealing with ipaq users which have the following characteristics:

1) have seen the wasteland (wince)
2) have been smart enough to navigate the internet to find handhelds.org
3) were able to reflash their device themselves by following the install guide
4) are genuinely gratefull to the effort
5) are able to use google and use + expand the hh.org wiki

If you look at this forum you can see roughly 2 categories of Zaurus users:

1) enthusiastic people trying to mold their zaurus into something of their liking
2) lazy, ungratefull  and obnoxious people who always complain and never search the forums or the internet ('I can't install <whatever>ROM, this sucks')

It seems that 2) are a very vocal part of this forum, and I sure hope they are a minority.

That's pretty much all I have to say about this and I'll return to helping people who have asked smart questions. I'll try to stay away from responding people who think they can waste my time so they don't have to think for themselves...
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Koen

I think that your clasification of Zaurus users is over simplified to say the least.  And I for one find your atitude towards users who dont know all there is to know about linux and the zaurus insulting.  Regardless of the name of the forum OE OESF ZUGF QWERTF it doesnt matter.  The important part of the formum is to provide an area where zaurus users can swap ideas, information and help eachother with problems they have with their systems.  Since SHARP is not doing any more in the way of ROM development that has also grown to include the provision of ROMS ROM support and applications.  But and a big but is its all volantry and therefor must be touchy feely.  You cannot go round insulting users / developers because your surely just shooting yourself in the foot.  You can elect not to participate but the insults only kill off the team spirit where users will help each other out and developers will continue to develop (they surly arnt doing it for the money).

So lets make like an icebergh and CHILL

[lardman]

But and a big but is its all volantry and therefor must be touchy feely.

Indeed it is, and it's therefore only polite for people to make sure they do some research before posting questions (not aimed at this topic in particular, just one of those things). There are, unfortunately, a fair few people who don't bother to use search (that's a bit unfair as searching is an acquired art, but it is frustrating for those of us who've been around for a while to see the same questions asked over and over and over again, etc.)

In some ways I agree with koen's splitting forum members into categories - it does seem to me too that there is an awful lot of negativity about such and such a 'ROM'/program/whatever (and don't try to tell me this is down to the developers' PR skills please, we should all be bright enough to be able to distinguish the two).

What I'd like to see is more of the 'old school', people helping one another, no more of this mine's better than yours business, and people doing some background research before posting (ie. use search, browse the forum, etc.) if for no other reason than to not clutter the forum up with endless 3 post long threads saying look at this post, etc. (which then makes searching a pain...)

Anyway I think that just about sums it up,

****I don't want to see any more posts in this thread please****

In fact I would close this thread, but as I'm (unfortunately) involved in it, this might seem improper (especially as I've had the last say).


If one of the other admins would be so kind as to close it that would be good.

Here's to a brighter and more cooperative future (fingers crossed).

Thanks,



Simon