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« on: October 18, 2005, 02:53:15 pm »
Hi,

So it's mid-October now (just look at my C1000 and can't help but saying time flies   ), which seems to be about the time for an upcoming Zaurus model.

Just wonder if Sharp is coming up with some new and even cooler stuff for the next Zaurus.  

Or, what would you think (not anything in your fantasy though  ) is going to appear in the next model?

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2005, 03:46:43 pm »
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Hi,

So it's mid-October now (just look at my C1000 and can't help but saying time flies   ), which seems to be about the time for an upcoming Zaurus model.

Just wonder if Sharp is coming up with some new and even cooler stuff for the next Zaurus.   

Or, what would you think (not anything in your fantasy though  ) is going to appear in the next model?
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Great idea to do this seasonal thread! I have no info/idea regarding what Sharp may or may not do and my wish list after all the time that has passed without any news/releases seems like a fantasy.
But I can't wait to see what others come back with in this thread (we probably need a zrumours forum set up - it would probably be the most visited anyway).

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2005, 05:09:20 pm »
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Hi,

So it's mid-October now (just look at my C1000 and can't help but saying time flies   ), which seems to be about the time for an upcoming Zaurus model.

Just wonder if Sharp is coming up with some new and even cooler stuff for the next Zaurus.   

Or, what would you think (not anything in your fantasy though  ) is going to appear in the next model?
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Well, since you asked. I've noticed several things lately, the increase in wifi use in Japan and the increase in the video display capabilities of phones, pdas and pvps.  I believe Sharp will blow our socks off and debut a true "next generation" Zaurus with the following specs:

Intel PXA270, 624 MHz;  Intel 2700G graphics accelerator
802.11g; Bluetooth
5 inch 854x480 WVGA Transflective (16:9 aspect ratio) LCD
  (will make handheld slightly larger than SL-C3100)
Video out
USB 2.0
4GB internal flash memory (replace internal hd)
CF/SD expansion slots
2400+ mAh battery
Built-in microphone

2.6.x Linux kernel
QTopia upgrade (v3 or 4?)
Movie player optimized to chipset
Picsel browser
Updated Hancom Mobile Office Suite

This will create a platform for the Japanese consumer to plug in their cellular CF cards for their mobile network, yet still be able to take advantage of wifi, when available, without removing the CF card.  It will also have the ability to handle streaming video with ease.

I'm looking for Sharp to come out with a new platform that will only need to be tweaked over the next 2-4 years.  All this is doable now and much is present in other handhelds already (Axim, OQO, Nokia 770, etc).
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2005, 09:01:28 pm »
A timely thread this, read my mind exactly.

It is that time of year when I glean Akihabara News reports on a twice daily basis.

All we need now is for Trisoft to promise a forthcoming announcement which will make us very happy.

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2005, 09:07:22 pm »
- (drool)  Nice set, and definitely doable, except the 4GB flash might be a stretch today.  Likely not six months from now.
- Need at least 128MB RAM to go with this mess ... 64 is usable, but a bit short considering all the things a Z can do ... unless they fix app load time so stuff doesn't have to stay fastloaded to come up in a reasonable amount of time.  With nothing fastloaded Hiro has nearly 40MB available, but there's not such thing as "too much RAM".  (giggle)
- I'd also like to see a "full travel" keyboard ala the venerable Psion 5 series.  Those keyboards rocked.  Best thing I've seen on any PDA before or since.  If they're making the unit a tad wider to handle the WVGA screen, toss in the better keyboard.

- In a way I'd really like to see this.  In way I'd rather they didn't.  I have to quit eating so I could get one!!
- How is Picsel better than Opera, just for curiousity's sake.  Could spawn a thread if that'll wander too far away.
- (drool)
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2005, 11:33:16 pm »
How about same as above, but a 5 gig HD, and a way to use a true bootloader like grub? And flash like the 3100 for compatability? And magnesium casing like the sony clie's....

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2005, 12:56:04 am »
Good list, pretty much what I want too.  In a nutshell, feature parity with current high-end Pocket PCs with a Zaurus form factor and OS.  It's absolutely doable, but will Sharp do it?

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- I'd also like to see a "full travel" keyboard

I think a bluetooth keyboard is the way to go if you need something full-sized.  Of course, that requires bluetooth support...

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- How is Picsel better than Opera, just for curiousity's sake.  Could spawn a thread if

Picsel is not a web browser.  It's a multiformat document reader, for PDF, Word, Excel, among others.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2005, 02:48:44 am »
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2.6.x Linux kernel
QTopia upgrade (v3 or 4?)
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Qtopia4 is not yet released so it will have old Sharp Qtopia 1.5 as usual...

And I don't believe in Sharp to get 2.6 kernel with new Zaurus - atleast not good 2.6 kernel (look what they done to 2.4.18/2.4.20 - it's mess not code). If you want good 2.6 kernel on Zaurus then help OZ team with porting.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2005, 03:01:54 am »
The two things I'd love to see are already mentioned: a slightly bigger screen, and a better keyboard.  For me, the hardware is powerful enough but the form factor needs a little bit of tweaking to be perfect.  The widescreen tft mentioned above sounds exceedingly interesting, and given sharp's position in the TFT marketplace then they could do it.

I have to agree that it would make sense for them to do something fairly "revolutionary" with the Zaurus now, and move it onto another level - but there are also a couple of quick fixes that they could put in to keep with the game.

Place your bets, folks  

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2005, 03:13:07 am »
lately the've been combining features. I bet we'll see a Bluetooth version of the 1000 and 3100.
if they went to builtin 802.11b I'd be mildly surprised, shocked if they did g. maybe we'll see 1000 and 3100 l and w models...maybe even 600 mhz 1050 or 3150's.  I'd love to see more... I just think they are gonna do something small and easy...... and 8 won't replace my 6k with it
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2005, 08:50:30 am »
Well I love a good speculation session  

 I can not fault anyones wants thus far, all would be nice.  None of them really jump out at me, the C-1000 was nigh perfect for me (although having it fully ruggedized in it's exact dimensions and/or add integrated wifi would be nice).

 But as far as what I think sharp actually WILL do, I'd have to think like sharp for a minute.

  I actually encountered a zaurus in the wild (other than mine) for the first time.  A dude on the train was web surfing as we buzzed down the tokaido line.  That's right, the tokaido line. Cause this here is Japan...native country for the Z family. So basically I think it's the desires of the Japanese consummer base that Sharp will really be looking to sate.

 It's no secret that more and more mobile phones are edging into PDA territory. And some even speculate that the mobile phone will eventually render the stand alone PDA obsolete (personally, I think if you take out the phone guts, you have room to make the device that much more powerfull on the media front, and that will always apeal to someone). The Z is aparently king of the hill in the Japanese PDA market, so it's got that going for it, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sharp slowly or quickly tried to morph the Z into a phone of some type.  Maybe a wifi phone, or perhaps thay'll just integrate a microphone and offer an add on card so you have the option (Visor style) of turning it into a cell phone (keitai) of some type.

 Just one idle speculation...But if they really wanted to make the next Z attractive enough for the tinkering/enthusiast crowd to buy ANOTHER model, offering a version with intergrated wifi (or maybe even blue tooth) would be the smartest move.  But then they aren't actually marketing the Zaurus line outside of Japan, so it's really the wishes of the domestic proletariate that matters...

 Then again, dare I bring up the originator of all things 'i' (yes the iPod) , and say that flash memory is a possibility.  The C-3000 really seemed to spark things off for a while with it's massive storage.  I don't know for sure, but I think it might have had a hand in nudging Palm into producing the Lifedrive (for all the good it's done them).  It would fit sharps pattern of releasing only a few incremental changes with each new release to change the HDD to a 4gb slab of battery friendly flash (as speculated by others).  And with flash memory prices slowly dropping, it might even be economically feasible...if they can find some flash that will last as long as a hdd can be expected to.  The 'Nano' sure got peoples attention...

 Also, looking again at the increased emphasis on PMP's, adding a DSP or other video subsystem...or maybe even that enhanced screen everyone seems to want...could help the Z tap further into another market that is currently on the rise...

 All in all I definitely think the Z line has been steadily improving, no missteps or backtracking yet, so if sharp continues with new models I'll look forward to them, even if they are merely incrementaly improving...


 But yeah, just re-perused the other musings in here, and I agree...we've had 64mb of RAM and ~400mhz for quite a while now.  Yes, the Z was slightly ahead of it's time in getting THOSE specs when it did, but I think both those specs could stand to be bumped (significantly...like more than 4%...)
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2005, 08:57:52 am »
ooh goody, another wishlist bandwagon!

illuminated keyboard with some key travel
a clamshell with the 4" display from 6000
built-in wlan or bluetooth or both
an internal backup ultracapacitor so you can switch batteries without rebooting
SD card support for 2GB or bigger cards
SDIO support
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2005, 09:02:57 am »
I would hope that all these rumours are false, and  no new model will be coming out in the near future.

I just got recently my C3100, which was released not a very long time ago in Japan (June?).

So I hope that the C3100 will stay the "newest" model for a while, ensuring that the ROM developer community as well as other hardcore Zaurus fans (Meanie for example) devote their time to the Cxx00 series - and not another "even newer" model...

I would hate to see my brand new C3100 become outdated - as I for sure cannot afford a new one within the next few months...
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2005, 09:21:43 am »
I wouldn't worry too much gadgetguy,

It has taken a better part of a year and the introduction of the low cost 1000 to get the developers working on this line of Zaurii.  I suspect if there is a new model, it will be like the 3000 and the 700 before it.  It will be a flawed version of its new capabilities.  This means in the late spring and summer you will see the more functional (750,760,860,1k,3.1k) version.  Most of these developers are not buying the latest and greatest Zs all the time.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2005, 10:00:02 am »
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I would hope that all these rumours are false, and  no new model will be coming out in the near future.
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I have to ask what might seem a strange question: Why did you buy the 3100?  Was it because it fitted your needs, or was it because it was seen as the "ultimate" PDA by some yardsticks?

If it was for the first reason, then don't even worry if a new version is brought out: your 3100 still does exactly what it did before the new model was announced  and developers will still be finding ways to make it do quite frankly incredible things.

If it was the second reason... Well...  There'll always be something around the corner that's cooler or better spec'd.  That's Moore's law and progress for you.

I do understand your concern, as does every consumer.  I saw the backlash that happened when Subaru announced that their newest STI Impreza would have a 2.5 litre engine - all the premium buyers had bought a special edition WR1 last year that was promised to be the "ultimate impreza".  And it was.  At the time...  Look at Canon with their digital SLRs, or Apple with the ipod range.

Sharp will keep innovating in the market in order to get people to upgrade and increase their revenue.  Personally, I applaud them for this: at least we have the option of an upgrade, whereas users of Microsoft HPC2000 devices (Jornada 720, 728) have no upgrade path...

Which would you prefer?

Sorry if this sounds confrontational, it's really not supposed to be but it is addressing a fairly emotional topic  .  I bought my SL-C1000 because it met my needs, yes, but undeniably because it is cool and different too  and I also reckon there's another top end model around the corner (or certainly within a year) that will be better for me than the 3100 is.