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« on: November 14, 2005, 08:26:06 pm »
Ladies and Gentlemen:

We all love Zaurii (unless you have come to this forum by mistake).  We have demonstrated it by spending money and time on a platform that is not even supported by its manufacturer outside of Japan.  What makes Zaurus useable by people like me who cannot write our own programs are those volunteers who develop programs for all of us to enjoy.  For this, I want to thank you.    

One of the programs that make Zaurus rock is ZBedic (http://bedic.sourceforge.net/).  It allows us to use free translation dictionaries as well as have a personal encyclopedia in our pockets (Wickipedia).

This program was originally developed by Latchesar Ionkov.  Over time Latchesar moved on to pursue other endeavors.  Rafal Mantiuk (rafm on this forum) was kind enough to revive the project, fix bugs, provide support for VGA models and add new features.  Thank you, Rafal!  In order to encourage Rafal to continue to spend his time on this project we need to show Rafal that ZBedic is important.  We can do it by writing in this thread “thank you” but more importantly we can support him with our money.  Please donate to this project.  It is really easy to do as I have just tried it out myself.  Just go to http://bedic.sourceforge.net/fddd.html and go from there.  Rafal is responsive to concerns of ZBedic users and has demonstrated that he is a good developer and can be trusted.

Please note that I am in no way affiliated with Rafal and have no personal interest in this other than seeing ZBedic being improved and maintained for existing Zaurus models and the models to come.

With kind regards,

kurochka
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2005, 10:30:45 am »
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Ladies and Gentlemen:

We all love Zaurii (unless you have come to this forum by mistake).  We have demonstrated it by spending money and time on a platform that is not even supported by its manufacturer outside of Japan.  What makes Zaurus useable by people like me who cannot write our own programs are those volunteers who develop programs for all of us to enjoy.  For this, I want to thank you.   

One of the programs that make Zaurus rock is ZBedic (http://bedic.sourceforge.net/).  It allows us to use free translation dictionaries as well as have a personal encyclopedia in our pockets (Wickipedia).

This program was originally developed by Latchesar Ionkov.  Over time Latchesar moved on to pursue other endeavors.  Rafal Mantiuk (rafm on this forum) was kind enough to revive the project, fix bugs, provide support for VGA models and add new features.  Thank you, Rafal!  In order to encourage Rafal to continue to spend his time on this project we need to show Rafal that ZBedic is important.  We can do it by writing in this thread “thank you” but more importantly we can support him with our money.  Please donate to this project.  It is really easy to do as I have just tried it out myself.  Just go to http://bedic.sourceforge.net/fddd.html and go from there.  Rafal is responsive to concerns of ZBedic users and has demonstrated that he is a good developer and can be trusted.

Please note that I am in no way affiliated with Rafal and have no personal interest in this other than seeing ZBedic being improved and maintained for existing Zaurus models and the models to come.

With kind regards,

kurochka
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2005, 02:47:38 pm »
I use qbedic in pdaxrom. But any package dev deserves thanks, at least
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2005, 10:47:44 am »
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I use qbedic in pdaxrom. But any package dev deserves thanks, at least
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I've never used qbedic.  I understand that it is somewhat dated (some new ZBedic features are not supported).  Could you post a screenshot of qbedic here?

RAFM indicated that he can port zbedic for $100 to compile under regular QT, which would bring ZBedic for regular Linux.  I've never tried pdaxrom.  Will a potential QT version of ZBedic work for pdaxrom?
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2005, 11:28:27 am »
I couldn't swear to it working on qt/pdaxrom, but it seems like it should--and it'd be nice to have a current source tasrball around.  It would be very nice on the desktop.
 I'll donate in a week or so (gotta xmas shop etc..)
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2005, 05:08:23 pm »
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I couldn't swear to it working on qt/pdaxrom, but it seems like it should--and it'd be nice to have a current source tasrball around.  It would be very nice on the desktop.
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zbedic depends on Qtopia and therefore needs some work to compile for X.  qbedic is an old version of zbedic (no navigation, simpler history, no large wikipedia files, etc. ) that can run on the desktop. I dropped the idea of updating two separate applications since it would require too much work. I would rather have a single application that can compile for several platforms, such as Qtopia, Qt X, or maybe even Windows with the new GPL Qt.

Meantime I have done about 50% of the code for editable dictionaries. Should be ready within a few weaks.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2005, 02:51:25 pm »
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Just my 2 cents-  you shouldn't specify how much for which feature. I'll just gladly give something (I love zbedic !) but I thought it was a bit too much for whatever feature.

Something I'd consider 1. adding to the UI : a "backspace" button to cut the word suffix if it isn't found in the dictionnary. 2. adding a simpler format where definition would simply be in basic HTML free text (ie with <b> <i> <br> etc...)

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2005, 01:46:55 pm »
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Hello

Just my 2 cents-  you shouldn't specify how much for which feature. I'll just gladly give something (I love zbedic !) but I thought it was a bit too much for whatever feature.
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It could be more political to hide all financial details, but I would rather keep them open. This is more my small "business experiment" with the open source rather than any major source of income.  From the experience so far, I won't earn my living this way

Whether it is too much is disputable - for a single user it is quite a lot but if ten users donate a few dolars, it does not seem so bad. Was it a fully commercial project, I would multiply those amounts by 10.

The good thing is that 100% of the money goes to engineering rather than marketing, management and other unproductive activities  (I hope that there are no marketing people on this forum

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Something I'd consider 1. adding to the UI : a "backspace" button to cut the word suffix if it isn't found in the dictionnary.

If I understand your idea right, this should be possible with "Better and fully navigable list of words" (see [a href=\"http://bedic.sourceforge.net/fddd.html#Better_and_fully_navigable_list_of_words]link[/url]). The problem is that zbedic currently shows only words that are alphabetically "greater"  than the typed one. With a better list of words, it should be also possible to see alphabetically "lesser" words, including the words that have the same beginning as the typed word but lack the suffix.

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2. adding a simpler format where definition would simply be in basic HTML free text (ie with <b> <i> <br> etc...)

It's already there - you can use HTML, which works perfectly fine (for example in Wikipedia). It's only not recommended, especially for ordinary dictionaries. This is because at some point there should be a converter from the bedic format to TEI XML and later to many other dictionary formats. If you don't structure your dictionary properly, such converter won't be able to make anything useful from your data.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2005, 04:19:08 pm »
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Hello

Just my 2 cents-  you shouldn't specify how much for which feature. I'll just gladly give something (I love zbedic !) but I thought it was a bit too much for whatever feature.
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It could be more political to hide all financial details, but I would rather keep them open. This is more my small "business experiment" with the open source rather than any major source of income.  From the experience so far, I won't earn my living this way

Whether it is too much is disputable - for a single user it is quite a lot but if ten users donate a few dolars, it does not seem so bad. Was it a fully commercial project, I would multiply those amounts by 10.

The good thing is that 100% of the money goes to engineering rather than marketing, management and other unproductive activities  (I hope that there are no marketing people on this forum

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I don't mind a set price for a feature.  This makes it transparent and adds more responsibility to the developer.  

We (non-programmers/users) appreciate all the people that do development for free (RAFM did it and still does it) but at the same time it would be great to entice developers with dollars to projects that otherwise would fall into the vast abyss of unsupported and forgotten software.  The open source programs are mostly driven by the developers' interest (with some input from users).  If we can sweeten the deal by adding some cash to the interest, then great.  It will still be cheaper than traditional development costs.

But again, RAFM's experiment shows that this is not a business plan with which you could go to the investors.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2005, 03:56:30 pm »
Unfortunately, software for Zaurus does not seem to be a good market and almost all commercial software makers have already droped this platform. The situation is probably better in Japan but that software does not seem to be offered outside Japan. Open Source character of Zaurus software and a strong user/developer group seems to be the only force that keeps Zaurus equipped in new software.

I am curious if anyone was succesful in developing and selling software for Z after Sharp withdrew Z from the US. If anyone would like to share his experience, I wonder how many copies he has managed to sell.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2005, 03:27:31 pm »
I don't think there are many people using a Z.  I use the zbedic myself with the wikipedia and dictionary.

Here is a story for you.....
I put up free information of a few game emulators and posted a link to an ftp server.  I monitored for a month or so and came up with around 200 cxxxx users.  Of those, not sure how many are cxxx or cxxxx.  of those counted, it made me wonder how many would actually donate money or are developers.  This number comes from the oe forums alone and not including the ones who actually downloaded the zip file that is permanent on one of my sites which you can find it doing a google search.  you can probably ask trisoft or streamline and see how many units they have sold?  My opinion is that we are not many and my very bad guess at around 1000 users usa total.  No wonder commercial software developers bailed.

anyway, the zaurus is an excellent device and everybody who has come accross it with there american pda's cannot believe the quality and diversity of it.

One thing i am jealous of the palm is the medical information available to them through the pda and skyscape.  drug dosages, pediatrics, gerontological information, encyclopedia, dictionary...I managed to do the same but in a different manner by ripping the palm files and allowing the bdicty to open them.  Of course i had to purchase them...but it works almost as good.  my drug refference book came from an html java based cd which i ripped and put in a folder running under opera(netfront wont work).

I came to the conclusion that people buy what is put infront of them and some people actually do research before they buy what is actually around the corner.  We are a rare breed.  Zaurus is for the developer and not the consumer (unless they want to struggle a bit.) but it is possible for a consumer, like myself to enjoy this (especially if this consumer is a tinkerer).
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2005, 12:11:19 am »
i use my own plaintext dictionary files, formatted like this:
entry \t definition
entry \t definition
entry \t definition

and "less" for finding words.
i also have couple of command line utilities for quicksearch, like
less -p "$1" -I ~/dictfile.txt

it works great if i run the XTerm with UTF8 and TTF fonts (like i do).

i have dictionaries for english, french, russian, hebrew, etc.

i also wrote a polish-english dictionary in python, with interactive console commands, which makes more soffisticated itterative searches in a SQLITE database.
works like a charm.

once i'll have a webserver, i'll post it there.
until then, ask me and i'll mail you the source-codes and the dictionaries.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2006, 02:59:39 pm »
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i have dictionaries for english, french, russian, hebrew, etc.

i also wrote a polish-english dictionary in python, with interactive console commands, which makes more soffisticated itterative searches in a SQLITE database.
works like a charm.
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You may consider converting these dictionaries to the bedic format. The simplified bedic format is not much different from the plain text you use.  If you can generate zbedic dictionaries and if you would like to make them public, I will gladly put them on the zbedic home page.

A new zbedic will also use sqlite for editable dictionaries.
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 10:48:22 am »
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A new zbedic will also use sqlite for editable dictionaries.

hopefully not require sqlite?
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 12:21:16 pm »
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A new zbedic will also use sqlite for editable dictionaries.

hopefully not require sqlite?
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I am affraid that it will require sqlite. Are there any problems with apps that depend on sqlite?
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