Pdaxrom Apps And Openzaurus Gpe

[sashz]

I like koen comments! Write more pleaze!

[MONVMENTVM]

There is absolutely no sense behind his comments. He is just so "intelligent" that he knows what a ROM really is (or should be) but not that there are no lies and an OS for zaurii is generally called "rom"... not because of the "Read Only Memory".

[Laze]

We all probally know what ROM is - thats just a problem that has rissen. The same is happing on emul scenes and stuff where ROMs and Diskimages etc. are mixed up. The pdaXrom name was choosen because we thought it sounded cool and i just rendered an X in 3D studio Max ;-)

But the problem is the tone in the comments  - and what lies are we spreading Koen??? And why the constant badgering of pdaXrom and trolling in our forums - basically you should be trying to tell what good about the OZ instead of flaming all the others distros/solutions - it seems like the fact we are trying to make a userfriendly and easy to use ROM which also tries to make it easy for developers are upsetting many of the OZ/OE people. Why not just leave us and the pdaXrom users alone then - if the OZ/OE has something to offer they will probally make the switch themselves without the need for a flame of pdaXrom, right?

OZ/OE has many good things and so does the pdaXrom - users can choose and some people are even trying to combine the best of the different "worlds" - why all the hate and anger against our stuff. Okay so maybe some of the pdaXrom solutions and workarounds are not perfect or we don't use the lastest cutting edge stuff - but again it something is working okay why to fix - koen you remind me of a friend of mine who tried to flash his bios because it had a new feature (a feature he had no use for) - he ended up destroying his bios - if it ain't broke don't try to fix it.

That being said we are working on implementing the latest kernel and stuff like that and we sometimes look and learn at what you guys have implemented. Like you guys probally do at other distros - but isn't that the ideas behind Open Source/GPL etc.?

[Antikx]

but isn't that the ideas behind Open Source/GPL etc.?
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True.
Nothing on this earth is perfect, including GPL and people. Let's all cool down, wait a day to respond, consider being more tolerant of our differences, not egging each other on, and keep our focus.

[apink]

Let's all cool down, wait a day to respond, consider being more tolerant of our differences(.)

I second that.

[CoreDump]

it seems like the fact we are trying to make a userfriendly and easy to use ROM which also tries to make it easy for developers are upsetting many of the OZ/OE people.

No one in the OE/OZ team is "upset" that you use your own buildroot / environment and create your own images + feeds. However, the steps to setup and use your build-env would involve reading up on how to do that and "getting into it".

It is the same with OE. It's not hard or difficult to setup (pdaxrom guys usually make it sound it is, don't deny it, you just did  ) but you have to sit on your butt and read the docs. It is in no way different than learning how to use your build environment if you never came in touch with it before.

Also some of us feel it is a sort of "waste" of ressources to create and maintain two different build environments / patch sets / whatever considering the few Zaurus devs available. But that's basically it, really.

Why not just leave us and the pdaXrom users alone then - if the OZ/OE has something to offer they will probally make the switch themselves without the need for a flame of pdaXrom, right?

OZ/OE has many good things and so does the pdaXrom - users can choose and some people are even trying to combine the best of the different "worlds" - why all the hate and anger against our stuff. Okay so maybe some of the pdaXrom solutions and workarounds are not perfect or we don't use the lastest cutting edge stuff - but again it something is working okay why to fix

You know, you *could* use OE to compile pdaXrom. While a few things might be missing currently, it wouldn't be much of a problem integrating them (as you already have all patches required for the missing bits anyway).

With OE you *could* have cutting edge stuff (or not, you can hard-wire the version of each single package if desired) while beeing binary compatible to the large OZ feeds. I believe pdaXrom users would benefit greatly from that move.

At the same time, the pdaXrom devs would benefit from the work of OZ devs and vice versa, eleminating the splitt of ressources in our community.

But I fear the bad feelings between OZ/OE and pdaXrom sort of rule that out, which is a pity, really.

That being said we are working on implementing the latest kernel and stuff like that and we sometimes look and learn at what you guys have implemented. Like you guys probally do at other distros - but isn't that the ideas behind Open Source/GPL etc.?
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Exactly, and using identical build environments would simplify that a lot

[Antikx]

You are all realy talented people and I belive you will continue to do great thing for this Zaurus community.

[enodr]

So where are we going from here? The Zaurus community would really benefits from a move towards compatibility, but apart from flame wars I don't see anything constructive... Too bad. I guess I have now to "choose" my camp between PdaXrom and OZ (ok OZ has my vote but I would have really loved to install those ipks contributed by pdaXrom users...).

[koen]

So where are we going from here? The Zaurus community would really benefits from a move towards compatibility, but apart from flame wars I don't see anything constructive... Too bad. I guess I have now to "choose" my camp between PdaXrom and OZ (ok OZ has my vote but I would have really loved to install those ipks contributed by pdaXrom users...).
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Ångström (the successor of OZ) will use EABI, which is as compatible as you can be in the ARM world. We are working with the debian-arm and maemo people to fix eabi issues and to be compatible with them as well.
And if you take a look at OE you see that >90% of the pdaX contrib feed is in OE as well. It shouldn't be much work to add the remaining 10%.

pdaX team: please stop saying stuff like this:

That being said we are working on implementing the latest kernel and stuff like that and we sometimes look and learn at what you guys have implemented.

You've been harassing our developers about that and imposing silly demands on our kernel hacker, so essentially *we* are implementing 2.6 for pdaX, so stop being jerks and give us the credit we deserve.

[sds]

You've been harassing our developers about that and imposing silly demands on our kernel hacker, so essentially *we* are implementing 2.6 for pdaX, so stop being jerks and give us the credit we deserve.
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As a modest sponsor to both OZ and pdaXrom I would in no way benefit from a flame war, really now.

But I feel that remark of yours needs further clarification.
Please substantiate and be constructive and polite.
Peace.

[sashz]

when koen dream, we make and use it. Koen where in OZ overlays, overcloking, different screenmodes, optimized X, etc? So its not pdaXrom uses old software, but OZ. When koen says they will use softvfp, we already use it more than year. Koen talking bot.

So where are we going from here? The Zaurus community would really benefits from a move towards compatibility, but apart from flame wars I don't see anything constructive... Too bad. I guess I have now to "choose" my camp between PdaXrom and OZ (ok OZ has my vote but I would have really loved to install those ipks contributed by pdaXrom users...).
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Ångström (the successor of OZ) will use EABI, which is as compatible as you can be in the ARM world. We are working with the debian-arm and maemo people to fix eabi issues and to be compatible with them as well.
And if you take a look at OE you see that >90% of the pdaX contrib feed is in OE as well. It shouldn't be much work to add the remaining 10%.

pdaX team: please stop saying stuff like this:

That being said we are working on implementing the latest kernel and stuff like that and we sometimes look and learn at what you guys have implemented.

You've been harassing our developers about that and imposing silly demands on our kernel hacker, so essentially *we* are implementing 2.6 for pdaX, so stop being jerks and give us the credit we deserve.
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[w14]

I have also contributed in the past, and will do so again.

In return I want the best software possible for my Zaurus, with full understanding of the limited resources available to the various developer teams.

That might happen a bit quicker, and the donations come more often, if you would cut this "my dick is bigger that yours" crap, and cooperate.

Thanks,

Mike.

[Xromer]

Uhm.... i think that now that i' m understanding more and more the Sash work, there are many differences of implmentation between OZ and PdaXrom.
Version of libraries used, kernel, more and more.
Now, as all envs are fortunately opened you have only to choose your favourite depending on what you want to do and contribute in that env.
The reasons of my choice are 2.
1) I would like to use the same distribution for all the devices.
2) Packages for PdaXrom are easy to cross-compile and ROM builder is understandable and usable for a beginner like me thx to Sash.
Probably if OZ-GPE was like that, i would have chosen that way.
So for the OZ-GPE and other ROM developers, do not feel upset if someone does a interoperability or cross-ROM questions, but, please, only answer people questions, right or wrong they could be.
Remember that you all are using software developed from other people too and only ported for a 80% of time.
So doing this kind of war is something ridicolous.
We have to thank all from LinuS to GPE-Guys instead.
This is what i think.
 

[Hrw]

when koen dream, we make and use it. Koen where in OZ overlays, overcloking, different screenmodes, optimized X, etc? So its not pdaXrom uses old software, but OZ. When koen says they will use softvfp, we already use it more than year. Koen talking bot.

Sashz: you got working 2.6 kernel from OZ team as a base and started hacking on it. Without our kernel hackers you would not get it at all... Our way is to get working kernel first, push as-much-as-possible into mainline and then add some features which are not available/enabled.

Soft-float is used in OZ since few months before OZ 3.5.1 was released.

[sashz]

when koen dream, we make and use it. Koen where in OZ overlays, overcloking, different screenmodes, optimized X, etc? So its not pdaXrom uses old software, but OZ. When koen says they will use softvfp, we already use it more than year. Koen talking bot.

Sashz: you got working 2.6 kernel from OZ team as a base and started hacking on it. Without our kernel hackers you would not get it at all... Our way is to get working kernel first, push as-much-as-possible into mainline and then add some features which are not available/enabled.

Soft-float is used in OZ since few months before OZ 3.5.1 was released.
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softfpa which OZ use not the same as softvfp.
RP already got my patches back.