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« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2006, 11:27:16 pm »
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i think the sentiment is shared by a lot of other people that beta1/beta3 was almost there and with a few extra tweaks and bug fixes it could had been made into a stable release but instead, we got a new alpha release called beta4. i guess, what we really need is someone to clean up beta1/beta3 and build flashable images and feeds for all models.
as much as I would love to do that, I can't due to my frequent travel requirements.
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In some part of the world, we would call that "scope-creep" ... though in most cases, scope-creep occurs due to demand from users, and not from developers. In the case of pdaXrom, it seem to be from the developers.  

Yes, we need someone to clean them up, and manage the releases as a Release Manager. Me thought that when a project reach Beta stage, its feature freeze and when reach RC, its mostly code freeze except for like very minor tweaking of installation packages etc.  
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« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2006, 12:38:12 am »
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i think the sentiment is shared by a lot of other people that beta1/beta3 was almost there and with a few extra tweaks and bug fixes it could had been made into a stable release but instead, we got a new alpha release called beta4. i guess, what we really need is someone to clean up beta1/beta3 and build flashable images and feeds for all models.
as much as I would love to do that, I can't due to my frequent travel requirements.
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In some part of the world, we would call that "scope-creep" ... though in most cases, scope-creep occurs due to demand from users, and not from developers. In the case of pdaXrom, it seem to be from the developers.  

Yes, we need someone to clean them up, and manage the releases as a Release Manager. Me thought that when a project reach Beta stage, its feature freeze and when reach RC, its mostly code freeze except for like very minor tweaking of installation packages etc.  
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Except in pdaXrom, RC came before beta! Maybe sashz wouldn't mind someone else polishing beta3 if he has moved on to the latest and greatest with beta4? Is there a reasonably complete bug list for the 2.4 beta(s)? The one on the web site is out of date...

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« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2006, 12:52:58 am »
latest "stable" releases for 2.4 kernel -
beta1/2 - C7x0/C860/C7500
beta3 for C1000/C3100

Beta4 - we have start with 2.6 kernel

Soon as i will come to new localtion (26th june) i will prepare and put new releases.

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« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2006, 12:56:26 am »
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latest "stable" releases for 2.4 kernel -
beta1/2 - C7x0/C860/C7500
beta3 for C1000/C3100

Beta4 - we have start with 2.6 kernel

Soon as i will come to new localtion (26th june) i will prepare and put new releases.
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Will that include a new release for the 6000?

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« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2006, 05:01:49 am »
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latest "stable" releases for 2.4 kernel -
beta1/2 - C7x0/C860/C7500
beta3 for C1000/C3100

Beta4 - we have start with 2.6 kernel

Soon as i will come to new localtion (26th june) i will prepare and put new releases.
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Problem is with these releases the word stable needs to be in inverted commas, as you've put it.

They just aren't out of the box stable enough.

If someone were of a mind to, could someone get at the source for betas 1,2 and 3 and fix the bugs if they wanted to? I'm sure no one would mind too much if someone did that and posted the images somewhere. It doesn't stop sashz moving forwards with what he wants to do with beta 4, just allows everyone else to take a breath and actually use a stable Z.

I've had to give up on pdaXrom and move to OZ/GPE hentges for out of the box working straight from flash. I miss my OOo  
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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2006, 07:04:17 am »
Sashz, suggestion ... following on what omro said, how about if the source is made available just for stabilizing the two releases beta1/2 and beta3 while beta4 is slated for later release. ... hmmm that could have other implications ... ie, the fixes made may or may not live onto beta4.

Sashz, looking forward to 'stable" release of beta4!

btw, how's your new work?
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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2006, 07:08:02 am »
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Sashz, suggestion ... following on what omro said, how about if the source is made available just for stabilizing the two releases beta1/2 and beta3 while beta4 is slated for later release. ... hmmm that could have other implications ... ie, the fixes made may or may not live onto beta4.

Sashz, looking forward to 'stable" release of beta4!

btw, how's your new work?
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if the system is really open, then any fixes that go into the other betas to stabilise them should be easily available to be included in anything further up the development tree....
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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2006, 08:08:31 am »
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i think the sentiment is shared by a lot of other people that beta1/beta3 was almost there and with a few extra tweaks and bug fixes it could had been made into a stable release but instead, we got a new alpha release called beta4. i guess, what we really need is someone to clean up beta1/beta3 and build flashable images and feeds for all models.
as much as I would love to do that, I can't due to my frequent travel requirements.
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I think you've done tons already with the software you've released and your incredibly useful site.

Laze/Sashz you're the founders and leaders of pdaXrom, but you're obviously very busy as Sashz now has his new job and Laze you're not posting very often anymore. Do you have any comment to make about where things are going? Are you interested in opening pdaXrom up so that more developers can join in so that these images can be cleaned up and things can be done by others when they have the time, when you're too busy to do them yourselves?
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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2006, 04:22:30 pm »
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latest "stable" releases for 2.4 kernel -
beta1/2 - C7x0/C860/C7500
beta3 for C1000/C3100

Beta4 - we have start with 2.6 kernel

Soon as i will come to new localtion (26th june) i will prepare and put new releases.
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Awesome - that gives us a pretty clear direction.
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« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2006, 04:02:03 am »
Busy, busy! - The sources are available and if anyone fixes anything i will personally make sure the fixes get implemented into the build - we are moving to SVN asap but until then.

Btw. the biggest problems arent in the kernel stuff which Sash is focused on - it so many "experts" are disliking the pdaXrom i can't believe why they just spend like 20-30 minutes looking at the preferences programs which are all written in python and make them better and maybe even in C. All the current python stuff were just quick workarounds until we had the time to code them in C - acutally Zumi is working on that but im sure he could use some help. http://mail.pdaxrom.org/soc/

Its just a matter of looking how the python scripts does stuff and then make that prettier and into C native apps.
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« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2006, 05:59:48 am »
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Busy, busy! - The sources are available and if anyone fixes anything i will personally make sure the fixes get implemented into the build - we are moving to SVN asap but until then.

Btw. the biggest problems arent in the kernel stuff which Sash is focused on - it so many "experts" are disliking the pdaXrom i can't believe why they just spend like 20-30 minutes looking at the preferences programs which are all written in python and make them better and maybe even in C. All the current python stuff were just quick workarounds until we had the time to code them in C - acutally Zumi is working on that but im sure he could use some help. http://mail.pdaxrom.org/soc/

Its just a matter of looking how the python scripts does stuff and then make that prettier and into C native apps.
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Well Laze, all the things can be done.
Python scripts can be easily corrected, people with the builder installed can easily compile the packages .
I agreed with cuckr when he said that Pengutronix tools are an excellent choice and all kernel enhancements done by Sashz were great.
So those are not the problem of the PdaXrom distro.
The problem is that people don' t have the time to hunt you and Sashz for helping you.
And the Sashz behaviour to be always misterious in anwers and PdaXrom management doesn' t help.
The last phrase OZ must die when we are all talking about collaboration it' s an example.
UHM.......! Hope for PdaXrom that this will change, because it' s, i think, the main problem for the users and contributors and not coding or utilities problems.
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« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2006, 06:22:11 am »
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The problem is that people don' t have the time to hunt you and Sashz for helping you.

Hence the requests to open things up which never seem to get answered :-(
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« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2006, 07:04:03 am »
From my POV it looks like pdaX develusers should create team which will work on improving pdaX and sashz should be degraded to kernel hacker/pdaX developer from 'pdaX the only one devel'.
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« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2006, 07:12:34 am »
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From my POV it looks like pdaX develusers should create team which will work on improving pdaX and sashz should be degraded to kernel hacker/pdaX developer from 'pdaX the only one devel'.
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yes, that's exactly the right idea and has been suggested time and time again.

(I'm sure the word meant is downgraded, not degraded (lol) before anyone gets upset by the word Hrw used!)
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« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2006, 07:29:11 am »
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From my POV it looks like pdaX develusers should create team which will work on improving pdaX and sashz should be degraded to kernel hacker/pdaX developer from 'pdaX the only one devel'.
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yes, that's exactly the right idea and has been suggested time and time again.

(I'm sure the word meant is downgraded, not degraded (lol) before anyone gets upset by the word Hrw used!)
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I would say Sasz should focus on _core_ devel of pdaXrom like new kernel, bootloader, newer glibc, framebuffer, hw devices, main rom devel ... where others could help him (if someone is capable of that low level devel) and fix bugs, compile packages, create feeds, increase usability, create support utilities and so on ... So Sash needn't spent his time to fix everything with all modelz Zauri around.
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